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G.W. Bush: Illseed’s Person of the Year 
Published Thursday, January 01, 2009 1:20 PM
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By illseed

Once again I, illseed, pick the “Illseed Person of the Year.”


That person is none other than G.W. Bush, the 43rd President of the United States of America.


Yes.

 

I won’t be long with this dissertation, but I have thought long and hard about this decision.


As you know, most publications such as Time and Ebony have deemed the history-making Barack Obama as their Person of the Year. And, guess what? They are absolutely correct, because Obama is a phenomenon most of us never thought we’d see in our lifetime. But the Illseed Person of the Year defies convention, as you may have realized over the years.


G.W. Bush is the Person of the Year, according to illseed.


Why? Here is why.


First of all, Bush’s screwed up, two-term presidency created the dire conditions that softened the nation to Barack Obama’s incredible message of “Change.” Without the stench of the last eight years, there is no real reason for an Obama-type; a harbinger of revolution. Even Obama recognized that he was amidst a perfect storm that presented circumstances that would never present themselves again. That’s why Obama ran when others told him to wait!


Dubya must be commended for putting John McCain, O’s opposition, in a ditch before he could even start to campaign for the highest position in the nation. A few years ago, Bush decimated McCain with the help of Karl Rove (also known affectionately as “Bush’s Brain”) and then McCain thought being down with Bush was a redeeming career trait. Not. So Bush is the primary reason the war vet was dusted off by Obama, aside from his own screw-up’s like picking Sarah Palin as his running mate and failing to create a cohesive campaign message.


Bush helped bring the nation together as much as he helped to divide it. By the end of the eight years…we were unified as hell, by and large. Some people took their blinders off and gave “change” a shot. Others let got of old baggage and assumed more forward-thinking notions.


Here is a notion you probably haven’t heard from illseed. I actually think G.W. Bush is probably a riot, a fun sort of guy—outside of mismanaging the nation. I mean, dude is too funny! Obviously the comedians have had a ball for the duration of his dictatorship, but if you want endless entertainment, just look at footage of Bush. Take the reaction to the shoe-throwing incident at the hands of an Iraqi journalist. “All I can report is it is a size 10,” he said as a joke. Classic reply, admit it. If only I went to college with Bush and he was the life of the party…not the president.


Question: Have you ever been tortured? I have in different ways and that’s not a play on the improprieties of some of our military men. Let it be known that there is no greater relief than when the torture stops. In fact, when the pain does stop, the torturee (yes, torturee) tends to thank the torturer for ending the agony. I think of Katrina. I think of September 11. I think of the war in Iraq, which Bush admitted he wasn’t ready for. I think of the present economic crisis, which has fallen on his watch. This is why G.W. Bush gets the nod as the “Illseed Person of the Year!” The torture has stopped!


Thanks, Dubya!


George Bush now joins the ranks of the honorable Will Smith, the legendary MC Hammer and others, who I admire. Like them, he’ll never be forgotten. Unlike them, he’ll be remembered for all the wrong reasons.


“And President Bush so hated/ He went to Iraq and almost got a-shoe-sinated.” – Skillz, rap artist.



Epilogue: I admit the true person of the year is Barack Obama, but nobody is really giving Bush the credit he deserves for creating the climate for this to occur. Thanks, dude- you ROCK...



Comments

 

jubilee.shine said:

burnt out
January 1, 2009 1:30 PM
 

VAgogetta said:

gotta rep for SKILLZ 2 start the year off right.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA-8vXuCOeQ


VA ALLDAY

804, 757, 703, 540, 276, 434 do the damn thang.
January 1, 2009 1:30 PM
 

SunKing20 said:

I see where hes coming from with that
January 1, 2009 1:30 PM
 

VAgogetta said:



V-A ALLDAY TV

http:/www.youtube.com/genosworldismine


HAPPY NEW YEAR AHH  and ILLSEED!





thanks george for this fucked up year called 2008!
January 1, 2009 1:33 PM
 

TruthSeeker55 said:

Realtalk illseed! I have said the same thing to my famo. Bush fucked up the country to such a level that white folks were like "o.k the Black guy doesn't look so bad."
January 1, 2009 1:48 PM
 

kingbaba1 said:

Illseed, you've done it once again!!!! How great is your commentary on our soon to be ex-president. With a Dick and a Bush in office, we were gonna get fucked anyways. Bush is to the presidency as K-Fed is to rap. Well done once again!!!!
January 1, 2009 1:58 PM
 

theillseed said:

 
TruthSeeker55 said:
Realtalk illseed! I have said the same thing to my famo. Bush fucked up the country to such a level that white folks were like "o.k the Black guy doesn't look so bad."

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Truth: i WAS going to say that in the editorial, but i opted not to since i didnt want to be too "negative" but i think thats a fair thing to say...more than fair
January 1, 2009 1:58 PM
 

Kappagem said:

LMAO....

It's all actually kinda true....

But that azzhole should be have crimes brought against him with how he handled Katrina, not to mention his invasion of a country where he has now made it ripe with civil war and....aw never mind.

Let's just say Bush is a tyrant....

Thank God he's leaving in 19 days....19 days too long tho!  He still tryin' to f*ck up the country before he gets out...
January 1, 2009 2:04 PM
 

kingbaba1 said:

If people don't believe in Reptilians surround us down here after this administration, then they are slow.
January 1, 2009 2:09 PM
 

kingbaba1 said:

Illumainati, NWO conspiracy, world war propaganda, doing everything to make the Bible's Revalations come true, that's what these right wing nut cases are all about.
January 1, 2009 2:13 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

Bush bashing is just a hip and cool thing to do

If Obama really meant change, why does he wear a suit and a tie? Why does his family make 3 times as much a year as Bush does? Why are you all brainwashed, thinking that a guy like this is one of us?

Obama = Bush = Clinton = Carter = Bush Sr.

The last real president of the USA was Ronald Reagan

The rest of these 'presidents' are engineered in a lab somewhere

POWER TO THE PEOPLE

OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT

FIGHT THE POWER

ANARCHY NOW
January 1, 2009 2:14 PM
 

Freddie Kincaid said:

I must say, this one was right on point. when we started out with election talk, I knew we were either going to have a woman or a black man as pres. there was no way in hell america would have put another republican in office. yes bush set the standard for how to get a black man elected. funny thing is, I can't believe noone saw this coming. I had plenty of arguments with friends but for some reason the thought of a woman or blck man seemed impossible. I concur with you ill on this one. George Bush deserves this one!!!
January 1, 2009 2:15 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:


"Illumainati, NWO conspiracy, world war propaganda, doing everything to make the Bible's Revalations come true, that's what these right wing nut cases are all about."

Nah, it's just paranoid people like you that believe all that.

In reality it's just money. The two party system represents money.

It's designed to keep you and me out of politics.

You think they actually count our votes? They don't. Obama was pre-selected by people with money. Bush was pre-selected by people with money. Clinton was pre-selected by people with money.

The entire voting process is an illusion designed to pacify people and make them believe they have a role in government and politics.

They don't.

The only way we can get one of ours into office is to assemble. We need a 10 million, 20 million, 30 million man movement

And then we can seize control of our government for real instead of relying on rigged votes.
January 1, 2009 2:16 PM
 

theillseed said:


Akaneon1 said:
Bush bashing is just a hip and cool thing to do

If Obama really meant change, why does he wear a suit and a tie?

The last real president of the USA was Ronald Reagan

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you must be feeling very sick today.

LMAO...uh.....yeah. i'm far from brain washed, but youre lofty view of reagan makes all that you think fairly invalid.
January 1, 2009 2:17 PM
 

PrisM VesaN said:

I co-sign this blog. Bush, the worst pres in history will make way to possibly one of the greatest presies in history.
January 1, 2009 2:17 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

illseed: Reagan was the man. He brought down the Berlin Wall. He ended the Cold War. Unemployment was at the lowest in the history of this country.

What can you say about any of those other motherfuckers?

Trust me man.

Anyone who hates Bush or any President of the US, singles out a person like that and blames all their problem on them, is a fuckin' hater.

That's what you are seed, you're a big fuckin' hater and a faggot. I'm glad you got Obama in office now, so when shit gets fucked up in your personal life you can't blame Bush anymore, so weak motherfuckers like you won't have a scapegoat to point at.

By the way this article fucking blows goat balls. It looks like it was written by a third grader and pieced together like one big fucking collage of other peoples articles. A fucking rehash.
January 1, 2009 2:21 PM
 

kingbaba1 said:

Akaneon1 said:

"Illumainati, NWO conspiracy, world war propaganda, doing everything to make the Bible's Revalations come true, that's what these right wing nut cases are all about."

Nah, it's just paranoid people like you that believe all that.

In reality it's just money. The two party system represents money.

It's designed to keep you and me out of politics.

You think they actually count our votes? They don't. Obama was pre-selected by people with money. Bush was pre-selected by people with money. Clinton was pre-selected by people with money.

The entire voting process is an illusion designed to pacify people and make them believe they have a role in government and politics.

They don't.

The only way we can get one of ours into office is to assemble. We need a 10 million, 20 million, 30 million man movement

And then we can seize control of our government for real instead of relying on rigged votes.  


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You proved my point in what you said. We are being controlled by an elite group of people. Do you think YOU will ever hold money like the Rothchilds or the Rockerfellers? HELL NO! You just don't want to accept the position that you're in. You got to see the truth in order to do something about it.
January 1, 2009 2:23 PM
 

Knowl said:

Bush will go down as the worst President since Herbert Hoover
January 1, 2009 2:24 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

Also, Obama didn't do shit in Illinois. It's one big hype machine, man. You've been duped.

Highest No-Vote record in the Senate for the past 4 years he's been a Senator. He didn't vote for it, he didn't vote against it, he didn't vote at all, he just tallied as 'present' and skipped voting on a lot of major issues.

So a whole lot of nothing is what you're going to get with him as Pres.

Now is the time people! Join the movement, fight the power.

Lets give the government back to the middle class, not to the suits. This isn't a racial issue, it's an issue of us and them, Barack will never be one of us
January 1, 2009 2:26 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:



"You proved my point in what you said. We are being controlled by an elite group of people. Do you think YOU will ever hold money like the Rothchilds or the Rockerfellers? HELL NO! You just don't want to accept the position that you're in. You got to see the truth in order to do something about it."

Yeah, but the thing is that I don't believe that it's some big conspiracy. It's not 'evil' or 'hidden'.

It's right in your face, it's big fat fucking money, no need to bend it and twist it into some sort of conspiracy

And the only reason they're getting away with it is because the middle class won't start a real revolution and take our country back.

If 30 million motherfuckers revolt, they can't stop us all.
January 1, 2009 2:27 PM
 

kingbaba1 said:

Akaneon1 said:
illseed: Reagan was the man. He brought down the Berlin Wall. He ended the Cold War. Unemployment was at the lowest in the history of this country.

What can you say about any of those other motherfuckers?

Trust me man.

Anyone who hates Bush or any President of the US, singles out a person like that and blames all their problem on them, is a fuckin' hater.

That's what you are seed, you're a big fuckin' hater and a faggot. I'm glad you got Obama in office now, so when shit gets fucked up in your personal life you can't blame Bush anymore, so weak motherfuckers like you won't have a scapegoat to point at.

By the way this article fucking blows goat balls. It looks like it was written by a third grader and pieced together like one big fucking collage of other peoples articles. A fucking rehash.
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Oh my GOD you are such an idiot!!! Who in the hell thought you that dumb shit? I guess it's cool that crack was invented and distributed on Regan's watch. I guess it's cool that people in the black community, including yourself, has gotten addicted to it and we are still feeling the side affects of that shit. You sir, are a moron!!!!
January 1, 2009 2:29 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

The truth is this:

If 30 million people stood up and marched in the streets

The government would be powerless to do anything about it.

We would subsequently take over. Imagine a middle class cabinet, a middle class supreme court, a middle class government from the roots.

Recall all these fucking rich career politicians, Bush, Obama, Ted Kennedy, all of them, and put you and me into office.

I'm not the one who isn't ready to march. It's your lack of commitment, and the lack of commitment of our brothers that prevents this from happening.

Imagine what the world would be like if you, and I, and the people you know in day to day life ran the government.

If we put our lives on the line for it, it can happen.
January 1, 2009 2:30 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

Crack was not 'invented' under Reagan's watch. Crack existed in 1980, during Carter. If you're going to talk trash, know the facts.
January 1, 2009 2:33 PM
 

King Donny said:

Im glad that his time is over!!!!!!!!!!!!

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January 1, 2009 2:33 PM
 

kingbaba1 said:

Akaneon1 said:


"You proved my point in what you said. We are being controlled by an elite group of people. Do you think YOU will ever hold money like the Rothchilds or the Rockerfellers? HELL NO! You just don't want to accept the position that you're in. You got to see the truth in order to do something about it."

Yeah, but the thing is that I don't believe that it's some big conspiracy. It's not 'evil' or 'hidden'.

It's right in your face, it's big fat fucking money, no need to bend it and twist it into some sort of conspiracy

And the only reason they're getting away with it is because the middle class won't start a real revolution and take our country back.

If 30 million motherfuckers revolt, they can't stop us all.
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If you did your homework, you would see that private meetings were held to come up with the Federal Reserve, our slave masters!!!! Even though it's coming to light now, it wasn't always like that. I expect for people like you not to look at the whole picture. I can tell you never really listen to Pac, Nas, or Prodigy. If you did, all you paid at attention to was the beats.SMH!!
January 1, 2009 2:33 PM
 

King Donny said:

January 1, 2009 2:34 PM
 

Water Ur Seeds said:

alcoholic president = disaster
January 1, 2009 2:35 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

That's just proof that you're lazy, man. Anyone who actually wants to do something is an idiot, so why don't you just stay home and collect your fucking welfare check and complain more about how the man is holding you down when you won't even try to do a damn thing about it. Why not step up and be a man instead of blaming other people for your own problems?

The future is now, the future is in our hands.

Those that step up will rise, even if it means shoving the rest of you aside. Progress is number one.

The time is now.
January 1, 2009 2:36 PM
 

kingbaba1 said:

Akaneon1 said:
Crack was not 'invented' under Reagan's watch. Crack existed in 1980, during Carter. If you're going to talk trash, know the facts.  


Crack was booming in the Regan era. That's what matters. It might have been invented on the ass end of Carter's administration, but it got out of control around the mid 80's. That's a fact.
January 1, 2009 2:38 PM
 

MOSSHADYESCO said:

LOL Bush is a funny dude....makes me laugh all the time...though i still loath the man...if u seen harold and kumar 2 the bush look alike was probably spot on...just too hilarious....

i agree Bush fucked up our country so bad that people actually considered a black man for presidency?? i mean that wasnt suppose to happen until 2020 at least..... i think theres a vanity fair issue out wit people formerly in the administration shitin on Bush LOL!! too funny
January 1, 2009 2:39 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

"If you did your homework, you would see that private meetings were held to come up with the Federal Reserve, our slave masters!!!! Even though it's coming to light now, it wasn't always like that. I expect for people like you not to look at the whole picture. I can tell you never really listen to Pac, Nas, or Prodigy. If you did, all you paid at attention to was the beats.SMH!!"

I don't need to listen to anyone else's opinion on the facts, there are these things called 'books' and I can look up what actually happened and determine my own opinion. Rappers are entertainers, man. If you listen to rap music to determine your political outlook, your outlook on life, instead of determining who you are from within, then you're counterfeit.

Why do you need someone else to tell you who you are?

You're only a slave if you believe you're a slave.

"alcoholic president = disaster"

Obama did cocaine, big fucking deal.

I'm happy that Bush's time is over so now I won't have to hear you motherfuckers whining about it anymore because you have nothing better to do.

Now who are you gonna blame next? Alan Greenspan? Donald Trump? The man is obv. holdin' you down, bruh!

Why rely on anyone else to make up your mind, develop your opinions. Fuck them. Fuck everyone else. Be who you are. I don't care what a rapper said about politics, even if it's a rapper I like. I don't care what my friends think about it. I don't care what my family thinks about it, because I am a grown ass man and I can make my own decisions about politics instead of jumping on the Bush bandwagon.

Now all you smart motherfuckers got maybe 2 more years to retroactively blame Bush before you wake up

and realize that Obama is just another suit, and as long as we elect suits, it's gonna be the same shit, different president.
January 1, 2009 2:42 PM
 

DJ DI said:

@Akaneon1

I don't even you believe what you saying. Come on, Ronald Reagan????????

Dogg, you really believe that a racist (yes racist) was that dude????

GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE!!!!!!!!!
So let me guess, you voted for a old white man that would've punted the bucket if he would've made it, and would've had a dumb ass VP leading the US, huh????

OBAMA ALL DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Answer this, what the fuck has BUSHY done but fuck up our trade with other countries, kill a bunch of our soldiers for HIS personal gain, trust FEMA to do a decent job when Hurricane Katrina happened, help set up a government in a another country when our country is fucked up, and spend a bunch of unnecessary money overseas (over a trill to be exact)??????

Oh, ya boy MCCain supported that guy 90% of the time and admitted it. Come on dawg. My nig Luda said wake up!!!!!!!
January 1, 2009 2:42 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

The President is one guy, he can't save or fuck the country any more than any one person can save or fuck the country.

You wanna know who's fucking the country, it's you lazy motherfuckers always looking for scapegoats. Illegal immigration is at an all time high - There must be plenty of jobs around, you dig? You just don't wanna work.
January 1, 2009 2:44 PM
 

kingbaba1 said:

Akaneon1 said:
That's just proof that you're lazy, man. Anyone who actually wants to do something is an idiot, so why don't you just stay home and collect your fucking welfare check and complain more about how the man is holding you down when you won't even try to do a damn thing about it. Why not step up and be a man instead of blaming other people for your own problems?

The future is now, the future is in our hands.

Those that step up will rise, even if it means shoving the rest of you aside. Progress is number one.

The time is now.
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How is that proving that I'm lazy pointing out the truth? I work hard for my check, I got a job, sir. What about you? I'm willing to work for my paycheck, just don't give me the bullshit that we are free when in reality, we are in modern day slavery. No chains, but mental chains in our cells called houses or apartments. You don't know me like that to call me lazy. I want to work, but let me be truly free to work!!!! You think in your pea size brain that we have to be controlled in order to work. wow.
January 1, 2009 2:45 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

"I don't even you believe what you saying. Come on, Ronald Reagan????????

Dogg, you really believe that a racist (yes racist) was that dude????

GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE!!!!!!!!!
So let me guess, you voted for a old white man that would've punted the bucket if he would've made it, and would've had a dumb ass VP leading the US, huh????

OBAMA ALL DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Answer this, what the fuck has BUSHY done but fuck up our trade with other countries, kill a bunch of our soldiers for HIS personal gain, trust FEMA to do a decent job when Hurricane Katrina happened, help set up a government in a another country when our country is fucked up, and spend a bunch of unnecessary money overseas (over a trill to be exact)??????

Oh, ya boy MCCain supported that guy 90% of the time and admitted it. Come on dawg. My nig Luda said wake up!!!!!!!"

McCain is not my boy.

Let me clear this up, I didn't even vote on the Presidential ticket this year. I did vote, but I skipped it. I give a fuck who wins. They're both fucking suits to me, I've never shook hands or had a beer with either of them, so fuck McCain and fuck Obama. Have you ever met Obama or McCain? Do you know either of them? And yet you wanna talk shit like you actually know what's going on...

Also I never said I was down with Bush.

I simply said that in the grand scheme of things, politicians are generally the same. That includes Bush, Clinton, Carter, Bush Sr., and probably Obama.

You put words in my mouth...

I support you, or me. I would vote for you, or me, or anyone who posted in this thread.

I will never vote for those suits. They are the opposition to you and me. Obama is another suit.
January 1, 2009 2:47 PM
 

DJ DI said:

Oh and about the crack thing, yes crack was created under Carter's watch, but who was Pres when the shit was at it's peak???????My point exactly. Reagan (God rest his soul) wasn't shit as a pres. If that dude was handling hsi biz, then crack would've been such a problem. You see the effects of crack in the 2000's and that shit started back then. Don't praise something that fucked OUR people up, homey.
January 1, 2009 2:48 PM
 

T-ROC said:

I am not going to front, at first I was like "WHAT." I was wondering how G.W Bush is going to be the person of the year. BUT, after reading the article I perfectly understand ILLSEED's perspective.

The article mentioned G.W Bush seem like a cool guy. But, NOT cool and/or fit enough to run a nation. That is so true, the funny thing about it coming down to last few weeks I look at him like "oh you cool." but, thank goodness the torture is over.

Let's look forward to a better FOUR years and possibly a second term.

Happy New Year.
January 1, 2009 2:48 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

"How is that proving that I'm lazy pointing out the truth? I work hard for my check, I got a job, sir. What about you? I'm willing to work for my paycheck, just don't give me the bullshit that we are free when in reality, we are in modern day slavery. No chains, but mental chains in our cells called houses or apartments. You don't know me like that to call me lazy. I want to work, but let me be truly free to work!!!! You think in your pea size brain that we have to be controlled in order to work. wow."

Freedom is a state of mind. You just don't have the willpower to liberate yourself from the comfort, the sugar-coated idealistic flow of modern society that tells you what to think, how to dress, what to eat, what to listen to, who to vote for, how to live. If you're enslaved, take the chains off your own mind. If you want to be truly free to work, start your own business. In order to succeed you must take risks. That's how it works.
January 1, 2009 2:50 PM
 

kingbaba1 said:

Akaneon1 said:
The President is one guy, he can't save or fuck the country any more than any one person can save or fuck the country.

You wanna know who's fucking the country, it's you lazy motherfuckers always looking for scapegoats. Illegal immigration is at an all time high - There must be plenty of jobs around, you dig? You just don't wanna work.
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You should get a job at FOX news with all of the bullshit coming out of your mouth. I didn't get my views from rappers, I have a brain in my head to do the research in books and documentaries. You are a brainwashed Uncle Tom. You and Clarance Thomas would get along fine!!! The white man take good care of you. And you must think that slavery wasn't that bad either. wow.
January 1, 2009 2:51 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

"Oh and about the crack thing, yes crack was created under Carter's watch, but who was Pres when the shit was at it's peak???????My point exactly. Reagan (God rest his soul) wasn't shit as a pres. If that dude was handling hsi biz, then crack would've been such a problem. You see the effects of crack in the 2000's and that shit started back then. Don't praise something that fucked OUR people up, homey."

You weren't even born yet, how would you even know other than reading someone else's representation of the facts?

Concordantly, I was around during the Reagan era. I remember. Shit was awesome. Everyone had good jobs.
January 1, 2009 2:51 PM
 

Bhudda Flii said:

gw bush is a phukk'n homicidal maniac.

not only did he play a pivotal role in taking the lives of 3000+ during the 9/11 al- CIA -da attacks...

he carried out the killing of over 1 million innocent souls in his quest to takeover iraqi oil fields.  

he and dick cheney should be tried, convicted and executed for tyranny, mass treason, and murder.

this phukk will soon flee to his purchased land and water reserve in paraguay, where he will be safe from extradition for his war crimes.

there is nothing glamorous about this monster.

nothing has "fallen" on his watch.

he has methodically and meticulously drafted executive orders that have obliterated our constitutional rights.

http://www.whitehouse.gov

THIS MAN (and i use that term loosely), DESERVES A RECOGNIZED PERSON'S AWARD, ALRIGHT. A SPOT IN HELL WHEN THE BASTARD DRAWS HIS LAST BREATH.

“In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.”

Franklin D. Roosevelt quotes (American 32nd US President (1933-45), cousin of Theodore Roosevelt, 26th US president. 1882-1945)

Respectfully Submitted,

Bhudda Flii
January 1, 2009 2:53 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

Also it's not my problem if people do crack, sell crack, etc.

Watch out for yourself first, then watch out for others. If they want to fuck their lives up, it's not my problem, not the government's problem.

It's not the government's job to save you from yourself, no one is forcing you to get high. As I recall it was 'our people' selling it to each other. So maybe you should watch where you're pointing that finger.
January 1, 2009 2:53 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

"You should get a job at FOX news with all of the bullshit coming out of your mouth. I didn't get my views from rappers, I have a brain in my head to do the research in books and documentaries. You are a brainwashed Uncle Tom. You and Clarance Thomas would get along fine!!! The white man take good care of you. And you must think that slavery wasn't that bad either. wow."

Says the Obama voter.

That's all good except I'm middle class and I own my own biz. I take care of myself, I write my own check. I'm a freelance programmer and I have several other jobs. There will never be a 'drought' for me.

If you have research and documentaries, then why refer to rappers when citing sources? I haven't seen any direct citations at all, bro. Just random hearsay that you pieced together so you can cry and talk out your ass.

You wanna talk Uncle Tom, Obama is half white, went to law school, makes over a million+ a year, his wife makes over a million+ a year. Figures you would turn this into a racial issue, without even analyzing the facts of how hypocritical what you're saying is.
January 1, 2009 2:57 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

Either way, the time is coming when those of us who truly want to take our country back will band together and take control.

We will get as many million people as it takes to do it.

The middle class are the true salt and grain of American society.

The poor do nothing, so they starve. The rich do nothing because they are spoiled. 90% of the work is done by the middle class.

Isn't it time we took our country back? Raise your fists, brothers. A time is coming.

Roll, or be rolled over.
January 1, 2009 3:00 PM
 

Kappagem said:

Greatest Rapper Alive...

Yung D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXYeZqbYWYM

Ya'll better recognize...

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January 1, 2009 3:00 PM
 

kingbaba1 said:

Akaneon1 said:
Also it's not my problem if people do crack, sell crack, etc.

Watch out for yourself first, then watch out for others. If they want to fuck their lives up, it's not my problem, not the government's problem.

It's not the government's job to save you from yourself, no one is forcing you to get high. As I recall it was 'our people' selling it to each other. So maybe you should watch where you're pointing that finger.
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Where do you think a lot of this coke is coming from? Blacks ain't going down to Colombia to get it. I would expect someone like you to say that the Government isnt involved in no way shape or form, but it has been proven that the Government pumps a lot of that shit into the "ghettos" along with guns. The Government is part of the problem as well. These gangbangers don't have passports to go into these countries and grab their own supplies and not get caught when coming back. wow, you are informed.
January 1, 2009 3:01 PM
 

Freddie Kincaid said:

wow, I took this award as just another shot at our former pres. I had no idea cats were gonna get so serious. I like this. first, if it is conspiracy or not, the fact remains that bush left a stain on the way the world views america. point blank. I don't look for barack to come in and turn water to wine, but I do belive he will have a huge effect on how the world views and respects this country. regrdless of the money, power, this election is setting a presedence on human change. as for ronald reagan, he successfully orchestrated the sale and distibution of crack in the blck community and used the money to aid terrorist. he was one of the biggest racist alive.  I dnt't blame bush for shit. I was broke when his daddy was in office and clinton. until barack takes office and begins to run this country, you don't knw how he is going to perform. I have nothin against bushm but he did make some bad decisions and unlike reagan, he didn't have the cia or oliver north to cover his ass. don't be stupid all your life.
January 1, 2009 3:04 PM
 

kingbaba1 said:

The only thing you said that makes sense is that we must take control over our country. I'll give you credit on that, cuz when the time comes, best believe that I'll be fighting, one the ront line!!!! Just admit that the government is crooked with elitest controlling everything and we would be cool. I believe that Obama is apart of that group as well, but he's not as harsh as Bush. That's the only difference. I don't need to give you references to prove that I know what I'm talking about. You know for a fact that I make sense. You let that little money you're making go to you head. Some people will never have the opporutnity to own their own businesses. Just because you are the few lucky ones, you think everyone has a chance. NOT TRUE.
January 1, 2009 3:10 PM
 

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January 1, 2009 3:12 PM
 

kingbaba1 said:

Freddie Kincaid said:
wow, I took this award as just another shot at our former pres. I had no idea cats were gonna get so serious. I like this. first, if it is conspiracy or not, the fact remains that bush left a stain on the way the world views america. point blank. I don't look for barack to come in and turn water to wine, but I do belive he will have a huge effect on how the world views and respects this country. regrdless of the money, power, this election is setting a presedence on human change. as for ronald reagan, he successfully orchestrated the sale and distibution of crack in the blck community and used the money to aid terrorist. he was one of the biggest racist alive.  I dnt't blame bush for shit. I was broke when his daddy was in office and clinton. until barack takes office and begins to run this country, you don't knw how he is going to perform. I have nothin against bushm but he did make some bad decisions and unlike reagan, he didn't have the cia or oliver north to cover his ass. don't be stupid all your life.
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January 1, 2009 3:13 PM
 

kingbaba1 said:

Akaneon1 said:
Either way, the time is coming when those of us who truly want to take our country back will band together and take control.

We will get as many million people as it takes to do it.

The middle class are the true salt and grain of American society.

The poor do nothing, so they starve. The rich do nothing because they are spoiled. 90% of the work is done by the middle class.

Isn't it time we took our country back? Raise your fists, brothers. A time is coming.

Roll, or be rolled over.  
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I can agree with you on this one point
January 1, 2009 3:16 PM
 

Bhudda Flii said:

Akaneon1 said:
The truth is this:

If 30 million people stood up and marched in the streets

The government would be powerless to do anything about it.
-------------------------

i totally agree with you. but i tell you this. you not gonna get blacks to move one inch.

and when i think about it, i garner this reality....

it seems like the middle class is defunct from most blacks.  the blacks that are homeowners or have a lil something, act like they too damn scared to open their mouths with fear they might lose what lil bit they have.

i run in many cultural circles, and i'm sad to say that unlike the civil rights days, the only people ready to get out and actually DO something are WHITES!!! A whole lot of blacks i have talked to think obama is going to change everything, swear to God!!!

if we are going to move we have to do it now... this is what is coming if we wait any longer....

H.R. 1955 Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007.
http://www.govtrack.us/

this act has passed the house already and just needs to fly through the senate, then it's curtains for us.

The next meeting of the Senate is Jan 2, 2009; the House next meets Jan 3, 2009.

i don't know if our folks don't care or just aren't educated enough in the political sciences to get the facts vs just following the rhetoric...

i dunno man...
January 1, 2009 3:16 PM
 

Kappagem said:

Akaneon - I actually hear a lot of your points.  I agree with a decent amount of what you said...

But I disagree with the whole "Reagan was our last real President" thing...

If Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc, are just suits, then Reagan was no better, and I'll leave it at that.  

Obama's not even in office yet, so you can't really throw him under a bus that isn't moving yet.  But Reagan?

Reagan helped institute laws and regulations that have done nothing more than decimate the black man.  The laws passed during his Presidency helped divide the have's and have not's more, and while you talk about how unemployment was so low, and economy was good, he was really just widening the gap between people who have money/wealth, and the poor getting poorer.  Throw in the crack epidemic, AIDS, IRAN/CONTRA affair, CIA involvement in the drug trade, and he really wasn't sh*t.

Oh, and then you talk abou the Berlin wall and Cold War and all that...real talk, WHO GIVES A F*CK?

We are always puttin' ourselves in other people's business.  What did "bringing down the wall" do for us?  Nothing...what was it's point?  Nothing really...

I actually hear you though on people needing to work on themselves first..that's some real talk.

And people getting cracked out and ruining there lives.....can't do anything but look in the mirror first.  That's real.  I hear you there...
January 1, 2009 3:17 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

"Where do you think a lot of this coke is coming from? Blacks ain't going down to Colombia to get it. I would expect someone like you to say that the Government isnt involved in no way shape or form, but it has been proven that the Government pumps a lot of that shit into the "ghettos" along with guns. The Government is part of the problem as well. These gangbangers don't have passports to go into these countries and grab their own supplies and not get caught when coming back. wow, you are informed."

So what? Someone has to sell the shit. Someone has to buy the shit. It's supply and demand, that's the law of the streets. So long as there's demand, someone will be supplying it.

If you're not buying it, they can't pump it in. It's not a tough concept... the junkies fucked themselves.

I'm not lucky at all, man. I still have a shitty life, I work hard, I have three jobs and two kids. I was homeless at one point in my life. Everyone who really wants to do something can do it. I went to college for 4 1/2 years, while working shitty jobs on the side.

You gotta make your own chances. You can't rely on anyone else to help you, but once you realize you make your own life happen, then it becomes a lot harder for anyone else to fuck you because you're set in doing things the right way, working hard, getting money.

Would I like to have big money? Yeah, but lets be straight... nobody needs big money. You just wind up buying more shit you don't need. Just get solid amounts of money, enough to feed yourself and your family and have some fun, and invest the rest of it, and in 20 years pretty much anybody who wants to can become a millionaire. I have mine in the mutual fund. By the time I hit 45 I get all of that back and it should be around 1.6 mill. I could probably retire at that point.

I don't lead an expensive lifestyle, I don't really care to, maybe visit some places around the world here and there, but that's about it. If you want big money, more power to you, you can get that too. It depends how hard you wanna work.
January 1, 2009 3:19 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

"Reagan helped institute laws and regulations that have done nothing more than decimate the black man.  The laws passed during his Presidency helped divide the have's and have not's more"

This is a claim which requires substantiation. Please provide specific laws which are in question here.

I know the wall coming down means nothing to you, but imagine you haven't seen your brother in over 25 years because you live on one side and he lives on the other side of the wall. 25 years. Or longer. Now imagine that that's 25 million people. That's why it's a big deal.
January 1, 2009 3:22 PM
 

kingbaba1 said:

People do need to change themselves first before anything else can happen. At the same time, recongnize who and what caused all of this chaos and turmoil to happen. Until we are able to do both of these things, we will be stuck in the same rut for eons.
January 1, 2009 3:23 PM
 

Kappagem said:


10 things you should never say to another guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7Q25AU3iww&NR=1


hell naw..
January 1, 2009 3:30 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

Also man, I don't see how a Pres can stop something like AIDS or a crack epidemic. We still haven't cured AIDS or cancer. Iran Contra was mostly Carter administration leftovers. The CIA has always been 'involved' in the drug trade, and normally they actually stop drug trafficking by either killing or capturing the kingpins behind those drug rings. That's not news, they still do it today.
January 1, 2009 3:30 PM
 

Bhudda Flii said:

Akaneon...

Reagan helped institute laws and regulations that have done nothing more than decimate the black man.  The laws passed during his Presidency helped divide the have's and have not's more"

This is a claim which requires substantiation. Please provide specific laws which are in question here.
----------------------------

i'm an MBA with add'l coursework in economics and finance...

i'd be happy to break it down for you. would you like to start with

raising deficit spending to levels not seen since ww2

or

introduction of huge tax reductions for the most wealthy

or

the obliteration of the oil windfall tax???


-------------------

r u serious????????
January 1, 2009 3:32 PM
 

kingbaba1 said:

Akaneon1, you're still excusing these bastards for their part in this situation. That's something I can not agree with you on at all. If they stopped supplying that crap, people wouldn't be getting high off of crack or coke. Also, you have to look at media's influences on the brain as far as the drug problem. You will see many programs glamorizing the use of illegal substances. All the way down to sports, where steroids are a big problem. If the media praised more positive things, then there wouldn't be a big drug problem like we have today. Everyone can't be Mike, Cena, or Tom Brady. Self love is the key to all of this bullshit, but TV supports self hatred.
January 1, 2009 3:33 PM
 

DJ DI said:

@Akaneon1

I KNOW what's going on and YES I did meet Obama. He came to Flinttown when he was running and I shook his hand. McCain never did that shit.

Yes, politicans are politicans, but it's some people that share similar views that you can relate to. Neither Bush, McCain, or Reagan could relate to me. I'm from Flinttown USA. Reagan took jobs away from my people. He sided with GM to take those jobs away from my city. That over twenty five yeats ago. I'm 25. I KNOW what I'm talking. I read enough books and watched enough growing to KNOW what's going on.

I ain't mad, but I hate to hear catz down talk Obama like he's Johnny the crackhead that lives on the block, ya' dig?
January 1, 2009 3:35 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

The problem is that you want to fix a whole bunch of things that a President can't really fix. He can't suddenly cure disease or end epidemics, he can't control the nature of private business. Obama won't be able to just wave his hand and turn water to wine either.

In the grand scheme of things, what would you do when insurgents fly planes into your buildings? When Congress takes a vote, and decides to go to war, and then leaves you high and dry to take the blame? When you're stuck dealing with an economy that has been down since the Stock Market Crash of 2000 (Under Clinton, btw). When your military is underfunded $500 billion a year because of the previous president and suddenly you have a need for a military, even though the funding will result in a deficit?

I'm not saying that Bush was great. I'm saying that it's tough to be Pres. and a lot of decent things like No Child Left Behind came out of the Bush presidency. I got a tax cut amounting to about $6k a year.

Nothing happened in the second term though. First term Bush was a lot better than second term Bush. I still don't think he's 'the worst', just in general he didn't really do anything during his second term.

President of the USA: World's biggest scapegoat
January 1, 2009 3:37 PM
 

kingbaba1 said:

Akaneon1 said:
"Reagan helped institute laws and regulations that have done nothing more than decimate the black man.  The laws passed during his Presidency helped divide the have's and have not's more"

This is a claim which requires substantiation. Please provide specific laws which are in question here.

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For the longest, a person could go to jail for a far longer period for crack than a person for coke. Blacks were using crack more than coke, and white were using coke more than crack. A black man caught with an gram of crack was serving a long bid, while a white boy with several ounces of coke did two years max.
January 1, 2009 3:38 PM
 

Bhudda Flii said:

akenon...

ok, i c u don't want none... (:p

be good ya'll...
January 1, 2009 3:40 PM
 

Killa2thaB said:

WTF?
January 1, 2009 3:46 PM
 

Killa2thaB said:

This nigga said reagan?
January 1, 2009 3:47 PM
 

kingbaba1 said:

There was a suplus of funds when Clinton was in office. Bush knew an attack was coming and did nothing about it, and how is a tax cut for the wealthy helping out nyone but themselves? sounds like that good ol "trickle down thoery" that DIDN'T WORK!!! All it did was make the rich elite fatter and happier. Now that the stock market is down, some of these "rich" people are finding out that they aren't as rich as what they thought. You have to be in the high circle of the elite to be protected. I'm talking Rothchilds and Rockerfeller. The people who control the central banks in the world are proteted and depression proof. They are the ones printing out the money, so they will always have control unless we do something about it. Even you have to see that fact.
January 1, 2009 3:48 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

"raising deficit spending to levels not seen since ww2"

Which actually pulled us OUT of an existing recession created by the Carter administration

"introduction of huge tax cuts for the most wealthy"

by percentage, yeah, they got the biggest cut, however, even the lowest tax bracket received a 5-6% reduction in taxes during the Reagan era. So it wasn't just the rich. The rich have more money, so naturally any cut they get is gonna be bigger than the poor. That's just common sense.

"obliteration of the windfall tax"

Here's some wiki for you:

"Congress was also concerned that the tax had increased the nation's dependence on imported oil. The tax was an excise tax on oil produced domestically in the United States; it was not imposed on imported oil."

Basically this: That tax wasn't producing revenue for the government (at the time), it was actually limiting it, and encouraging foreign oil interests to seize control of our domestic assets in the commodities market. It was honestly one of the best moves of his presidency to repeal that tax.

The argument is that the tax, if it was active today, would be useful, and it would... but at the time it was not useful, and therefore it was repealed.

"Yes, politicans are politicans, but it's some people that share similar views that you can relate to. Neither Bush, McCain, or Reagan could relate to me"

Obama doesn't relate to me either... He's one of them

Sure, he shakes hands, but what I'm getting at is that I would RATHER vote for Johnny the crackhead that lives on the block than any suit and tie politician. At least we might get some real talk instead of empty promises.

January 1, 2009 3:48 PM
 

Killa2thaB said:

Nigga, reagan?  Why didnt u just say ALL presidents? It would have made your argument more feasible. But reagan?
January 1, 2009 3:49 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

"For the longest, a person could go to jail for a far longer period for crack than a person for coke. Blacks were using crack more than coke, and white were using coke more than crack. A black man caught with an gram of crack was serving a long bid, while a white boy with several ounces of coke did two years max."

That's not a specific law. Where are the actual statistics for this shit? It's an emotional, racially based argument designed to trick you. White people were using crack just as often as blacks were. Until I get some actual facts, I won't buy it...
January 1, 2009 3:51 PM
 

Killa2thaB said:

Whats that sports show, where the lil guy has the remote and can put niggaz on mute for talkin crazy?
January 1, 2009 3:51 PM
 

Freddie Kincaid said:

I don't knw who is sayin what to whom but it is true that we need to look at ourselves first.  no one is forcing any one to do drugs, however if you are aware, the draft took a lot lot of young men and placed them in warzones resulting in the developmt of our soldiers coming home with all kind of addictions. drug use was one way soldiers escaped the harsh reality that they may die over some bullshit started by some asshole sitting safely in the confines of their home. I say this to say that there are factors and forces that force us all at some time or other to look for a way out. when drugs were being pumped into our urban communities, therre was a demand because people were looking for a way out. poverty is a powerful motivator for a lot of negative behavior. I have never smoked crack, but I don't condemn anyone who has. we as black people are subject to oppression in almost everything we do, so I can underdtand if a few fall between the cracks. it's easy to sit here and say what needs to be done, but I always consider the individual.  of course the govt is bogus and yes if we came together we could be powerful, but what are we coming together for? there are so many injustices. that is why I'm proud of this election year. the world came together. I think eveyone is tired of the bullshit and although barack may not be able to completely change everything, voting him in was a step in that direction. but we do need to start educating ourselves. by the way, you can't take evrything you read in a book at face value. you must do the research to back the facts. men right books, so they too can be lies!!!!
January 1, 2009 3:53 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

"There was a surplus* of funds when Clinton was in office. Bush knew an attack was coming and did nothing about it, and how is a tax cut for the wealthy helping out nyone but themselves? sounds like that good ol "trickle down thoery" that DIDN'T WORK!!! All it did was make the rich elite fatter and happier. Now that the stock market is down, some of these "rich" people are finding out that they aren't as rich as what they thought. You have to be in the high circle of the elite to be protected. I'm talking Rothchilds and Rockerfeller. The people who control the central banks in the world are proteted and depression proof. They are the ones printing out the money, so they will always have control unless we do something about it. Even you have to see that fact."

At the end of the Clinton presidency we had a surplus amounting to a whole of 200 billion dollars, which is nothing. 8 years x 500 billion in military cuts + 200 billion in benefit cuts = 5.6 trillion, so when Bush got into office there was already an actual debt of 5.4 trillion. We in turn spent about 4.6 trillion to rebuild our nation's military and benefits for our citizens in the past 8 years. Therefore we actually spent 800 billion less than Clinton would have had he properly been allocating funding to our military and citizen benefits.
January 1, 2009 3:56 PM
 

kingbaba1 said:

Akaneon1, I don't know how you justify what these people do, but if you what that right wing view, go right ahead. I don't agree with left wingers either. I go off my own views. Like Jay and Big L said, I saw the fork in the road and went straight.
January 1, 2009 3:57 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

"if we came together we could be powerful, but what are we coming together for?"

Better question, why haven't we united already? We could've solved all these problems a long time ago.

It's easy to just throw responsibility on Barack's shoulders. When will we realize it's our world, our country, and we need to fix it ourselves?
January 1, 2009 3:59 PM
 

Bhudda Flii said:

thanks for the feedback ak...

ok you messing up already! lol

wiki is not a peer reviewed source for factual data.

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explanation... fail.

you need to take it back to the inception of the fed and bring it up to the current economic climate, and factor in the role that reagan played at the time.  focusing on that one snapshot in time does not provide for an accurate assessment of how reagan contributed to screwing the black man.

i do give you points for trying tho. fo real.

but i do want to ask you this. if you feel that reagan did such a bang up job... you must concur with the steps bush has made in his dealings with the economy.  if you look closely, the policies are virtually the same.
January 1, 2009 3:59 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

I don't think it's a right wing view when I say that I'm middle class and I've always been part of a middle class family, my father got tax cuts during Reagan, I got tax cuts during Bush, I make about 50-65k a year, I'm not rich at all.

What happens to other people isn't my problem. Look at the people around you in day to day life. If you died, would they even show up at your funeral? Probably not, so fuck em. If they want to destroy their own lives, fuck em. It's not really your problem. If they were on my side, they wouldn't be fucking up and doing that stupid shit in the first place. That's all there is to it. Once you get ahead, and get money, if you still want to help those people out, you can do it, when you're in the position to help em. I say, it's a sink or swim world. If you can't swim, just sink.
January 1, 2009 4:04 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

Bhudda: All that the wiki data is, is quotes of an actual congressional report which you can read at

http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/RL33305_20060309.pdf
January 1, 2009 4:07 PM
 

kingbaba1 said:

You are avoiding the statement on who controls our monetary system. The federal reserve controls our money and the people who controls that controls us. We are property of the United States because we had two things, birth certificates and Social Securtiy Numbers. They can control our lives if we let them. You don't want to admit to yourself they you are being controlled at this moment. You think your little money, and businesses protect your ass. Well, it doesn't!!! You can say what you want to say, but it won't change a thing.
January 1, 2009 4:07 PM
 

Kappagem said:

@AK - Iran/Contra wasn't some leftover stuff.  They were involved with the Reagan Administration.  Reagan was playing the "I didn't know anything about that" role with that whole situation.  Some President, when you have no clue what the people you put in power are doing.  Shows a real stain on his ability to lead.

Reagan when it comes to his tax policies (unemployment and all that you spoke of...):

Reagan's tax policies were accused of pushing both the international transactions current account and the federal budget into deficit and led to a significant increase in public debt. Advocates of the Laffer curve contend that the tax cuts did lead to a near doubling of tax receipts ($517 billion in 1980 to $1,032 billion in 1990), so that the deficits were actually caused by an increase in government spending.

However, critics argue that the doubling of revenue is significantly smaller when looking at real inflation-adjusted figures ($1,077.4 billion in 1981 to $1,235.6 billion in 1988, measured in FY2000-dollars). Furthermore, an analysis from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities argues that "history shows that the large reductions in income tax rates in 1981 were followed by abnormally slow growth in income tax receipts, while the increases in income-tax rates enacted in 1990 and 1993 were followed by sizeable growth in income-tax receipts." Specifically, the analysis calculated that the average annual growth rate of real income-tax receipts per working-age person was 0.2% from 1981 to 1990 and a much higher 3.1% from 1990 to 2001.

AKA he didn't do sh*t to increase wealth for Americans.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Reagan & J. Edgar Hoover

Reagan was a snitch during his Hollywood years. As Anthony Summers makes clear in his book Official and Confidential: The Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover, the “Gipper” had his own code name – “T-10” – and regularly provided the FBI with information on Communists, real, imagined and manufactured.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Reagan in being President...

In March 1987 a memo was written by Jim Cannon to Howard Baker, Reagan's new Chief of Staff. His first recommendation: "Consider the possibility that section four of the 25th amendment might be applied." The amendment allows for the removal of the president when "the president is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office." Mayer and McManus reported that staffers told Cannon in confidence that Reagan had become "inattentive and inept ... He was lazy; he wasn't interested in the job ... he wouldn't read the papers they gave him - even short position papers and documents ... he wouldn't come over to work - all he wanted to do was watch movies and television at the residence." Scholarly works have been written on Reagan's confusion of facts with Hollywood images.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I really didn't want to go into all the things that made Reagan such a bad President.  We could do that with any number of Presidents.  My whole thing is don't vilify Pres. Elect Obama, Clinton, the Bush's, but then jump up and say the last real Pres. was Reagan.

Reagan wasn't sh*t:)

And it would take too long to go through all the laws he orchestrated or helped orchestrate to bring down African Americans.  It would be like trying to explain how Giuliani raped folks in NY with them Rockefeller laws he used to help prison's big business...
January 1, 2009 4:07 PM
 

Bhudda Flii said:

ak said...

Therefore we actually spent 800 billion less than Clinton would have had he properly been allocating funding to our military and citizen benefits.
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r u kidding me?

would you mind telling me where 3 trillion dollars of the pentagon budget disappeared to??? we didn't find out it was missing till:

9/10/2001

does that date ring a bell????

clinton didn't leave till january 2001.

wonder why rumsfeld didn't hold a press conference to tell us until that day???? guess we would forget all about it right? WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 1, 2009 4:08 PM
 

Killa2thaB said:

White people drink just as much liquor as blacks too...They just dont have to ride by 5 liquor stores on the way to and from work.  During reagans era crack was brought in by the C.I.A to be distributed into the Black communities. Did U not know that? Did he say that he would rather have a crack head as a president?
January 1, 2009 4:09 PM
 

Bhudda Flii said:

oh yah, ak...

i'm not trying to be an asshole. i plan on teaching undergrad business students in the fall, and it interests me to find out what perception people actually have of our political system. knowing that will allow me to effectively provide the dots needed so that they will be able to make the right connections on how business/$$$$ rule this country and all of its lawmakers.

tis all...
January 1, 2009 4:12 PM
 

Illmatic T said:

HA HA
January 1, 2009 4:13 PM
 

DJ DI said:

@Akaneon1 said:

Obama doesn't relate to me either... He's one of them

Sure, he shakes hands, but what I'm getting at is that I would RATHER vote for Johnny the crackhead that lives on the block than any suit and tie politician. At least we might get some real talk instead of empty promises.

What does a suit and tie have to do with leading the country? See, the thing is we have to get off of that mentality that do-rags, Tim's, and Sean John Jeans is what a pres should look like. I'm not saying that what you're saying, but let's be real. Johnny the crackhead can't offer me nothing but heroin dreams. I don't need that. I need someone who is educated and is able to lead and listen instead of following their instincts. Obama does that for me. I got a family to think about. I'm sure you do to. If you looking at Obama like a regular politican, then who can you possibly open ya' self up and give the brother a chance? If he does a poor job, then we can comment, but wait till he gets in office to do that, ya dig?
January 1, 2009 4:14 PM
 

Kappagem said:

AK - I feel you on a lot of your views, especially people who sit around bitchin' and complainin' about what's wrong in their lives instead of doing something themselves...

But...

How can you say this...

"Akaneon1 said:
I don't think it's a right wing view when I say that I'm middle class and I've always been part of a middle class family, my father got tax cuts during Reagan, I got tax cuts during Bush, I make about 50-65k a year, I'm not rich at all.

What happens to other people isn't my problem. Look at the people around you in day to day life. If you died, would they even show up at your funeral? Probably not, so fuck em. If they want to destroy their own lives, fuck em. It's not really your problem. If they were on my side, they wouldn't be fucking up and doing that stupid shit in the first place. That's all there is to it. Once you get ahead, and get money, if you still want to help those people out, you can do it, when you're in the position to help em. I say, it's a sink or swim world. If you can't swim, just sink. "

And then turn around and say how important it was to bring down the Wall, and "imagine 25 million people like this", etc, etc...

That's hypocritical.  So, you are more concerned with people over in Iraq, Germany, Russia, etc, than you are with people in your own neck of the woods.  

Like Killa said...

Had you said ALL PRES, you woulda been good man.  Please don't defend someone as vile as Reagan...please don't.  He was a horrible Pres, and even worse for OUR people...

To Killa, Bhudda, and the entire board...

Happy New Year!
January 1, 2009 4:15 PM
 

kingbaba1 said:

Akaneon1, your views are the epic fail of the day. Everyone here don't agree with you on some of that bullshit you're spewing.
January 1, 2009 4:16 PM
 

Killa2thaB said:

Ohh, I get it. This is A New Years Day joke. U almost had me there for a minute.lol   That was TOO funny. Im loggin off now.  ______________________________________________________ @akneon:  Congrats on the degree & the kids...U should try and separate other's post from yours with a line like this ______ or ************* or------------or even ++++++++ Anyway, happy new year my comedic brother. Peace be unto U.
January 1, 2009 4:20 PM
 

Bhudda Flii said:

Akaneon1 said:
Bhudda: All that the wiki data is, is quotes of an actual congressional report which you can read at

http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/RL33305_20060309.pdf

thanks for the peer reviewed link!!

i looked it over. still doesn't change the fact that if we had pursued the technology that we had to get off of oil dependency it wouldn't have been necessary, now would it??

reagan knew this.  but you need to realize that lobbyists will rationalize anything to get their way.

and congress???

have you taken a look at the historical relationship between the members of congress and big oil?? i'm sure you heard about their sex for oil scandal that was busted out this year, right?? you think this stuff just started happening??

----------------

and as far as blaming carter earlier... who held the white house before he got there, huh?? inflation, deflation, stagflation... do you realize that if this country wasn't sold out we wouldn't have a need for reckless fiscal policy in the first place???

-----------------

presidents don't make decisions. they're parrots. they do as they're told. they ain't running shit...
January 1, 2009 4:22 PM
 

Kappagem said:

@Bhudda - you on point as usual...

@AK - You make valid points man.  Real talk, I'm 100% for people looking in the mirror, and, as Sears would say, "Gettin' off the BOO BOO MAYNE!"

@Killa - You are right on about the CIA.  I mean, actual govt. folks INVOLVED with it have admitted that the CIA spearheaded crack into the inner city.  It only became a "problem" when it hit their suburbs.  You can't control a viral drug.  That sh*t is sad...killing our own people...

AK, peep these...

Army founded and funded by CIA (w/Crack Cocaine)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4SzBwjVqI0

Peep how they used a black man to pump the drugs into the hood, and then lock the niccah up...

Yeah, I'm talking about Freeway Rick...

Oh, and peep the dude saying "there has never been a conspiracy in this country"...

WTF?

All I'm saying is this...If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a f*ckin' duck.

And this is all through Reagan's watch....

January 1, 2009 4:26 PM
 

Bhudda Flii said:

AKA he didn't do sh*t to increase wealth for Americans.

-----------
damn straight kapp...

like i said early to ak... we must address the HUGE tax breaks for the wealthy at the time.

I HAVE BEEN TO REAGAN'S HOUSE IN LOS ANGELES!!!! well to the gate at the end of the driveway, rather, lmao!!!

you know how he got that house??????????

nuff said
January 1, 2009 4:28 PM
 

mr.201973 said:

January 1, 2009 4:28 PM
 

Killa2thaB said:

Happy New Year to U too Kapp.                                            ______________________________________________________ @Bhudda: I have a ton of respect for U. Are U ever not on point?  I want to be on your e-mail list.  U know how to build with hammers and nails. Alot of cats on here try to build with wrecking balls & dynamite.                                                   ______________________________________________________ Happy New Year to all yall. Im going to eat for real this time.
January 1, 2009 4:29 PM
 

Kappagem said:

Killa  -I just read yo posts.  You got me dying over here man.  Talking about what's the show where you can put people on mute...lmao.  You wild...yo, be sure to check out Yung D mayne!


Folks, check out the greatest rapper alive, ever...spittin' that hot ish...

YO, ILLSEED!  GET THIS NICCAH YUNG D IN THE MUSIC SECTION MAYNE!!!

Yung D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXYeZqbYWYM

Ya'll better recognize...

Now Happy New Year's Nuuuuucccccaaaaaahhhhhhhhh! (in Panky voice of course)

January 1, 2009 4:31 PM
 

DJ DI said:

Kappagem said:

Peep how they used a black man to pump the drugs into the hood, and then lock the niccah up...

Yeah, I'm talking about Freeway Rick...

Oh, and peep the dude saying "there has never been a conspiracy in this country"...

WTF?

All I'm saying is this...If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a f*ckin' duck.

And this is all through Reagan's watch....

Co-sign ma nig.
January 1, 2009 4:32 PM
 

Kappagem said:

Oh...real quick....

Let me clarify my statement earlier about "using" a black man to pump crack into the streets.  

Freeway Rick is a human being, just like all of us.  He could have been smarter, taken a different road, and not got involved with distributing crack cocaine.  But he didn't, and that is his fault.  I'm not saying he was "tricked" or anything like that...

But I am saying he was literally used as a scapegoat, per se, to fund United State's gov. operations.  If anything, by using him as a central figure, they deflect any criticism or questioning of what was going  on during the Reagan administration.  We say it was a CIA ran operation, and they can say Freeway did it.  We say govt. had a plan to decimate people of color all while increasing their profits, and they can say "but it was a black guy who was pushing the drugs".  

You see what I'm saying?

By using a black man, you can deflect any type of guilt or conspiracy, because you literally can say "if it were a plan to destroy black people, then why would a black man agree to do it".  Throw in the fact they arrested him, and it further takes attention away from govt. ran officials being involved to strictly a "street and nigga" thing.

But people know...they aren't stupid.  Govt. is dirty than a mutha, and no time in history has been as destructive to the black man than the 70's and 80's, because Vietnam and the Crack epidemic have single-handedly brought our people to the brink of extinction.  Well, that, and fat white women:)

But for real...how do you cover up a conspiracy?  You deflect blame to a few people, and then you take them out.  Freeway Rick was a patsy, just like all other folks who find themselves involved in conspiracies...and crack being pumped into the hoods was one of the biggest...


They just didn't realize how bad it would spread...
January 1, 2009 4:39 PM
 

kingbaba1 said:

Thank you to all of those that supported my views on this matter Budda, Killa, Kappa, DJ Di. Over and out.
January 1, 2009 4:40 PM
 

Kappagem said:

@DJ DI - Thank you kind sir...I saw you posting up top too...Continue to speak truth...

@Bhudda - Keep hittin' 'em in the head with that realness:)

Alright, I need to take a shower and get ready for the 1st day of a New Year.  Got a hot date tonight...

lol...but spending time on this site today has me literally late on getting ready...

I holla...
January 1, 2009 4:42 PM
 

kingbaba1 said:

Illseed, you've done it once again!!!!!
January 1, 2009 4:42 PM
 

Bhudda Flii said:

killa...

i'm telling you... thing is, i have a prenumbra of information transcending law, politics, business, etc...  (and it helps to come out summa, ya dig).

i was usually the only black in my classes both grad and undergraad, so my game and guard had to stay up. had dem white folks befuddled!!!

naw, but i commend everyone who even has a SLIGHT bit of insight on what is happening around us. this shit took me years of study to get under my belt. hats off to those who've enriched themselves through self study, school, or whateva...

happy new year to you as well!
January 1, 2009 4:44 PM
 

Kappagem said:

@Kingbaba - Fa show...

And I like how you threw that Jay reference in there...quite clever:)
January 1, 2009 4:44 PM
 

Bhudda Flii said:

alright ya'll... gotta get that stove burning!!!

anytime, kingbaba
January 1, 2009 4:48 PM
 

theillseed said:


kingbaba1 said:
Illseed, you've done it once again!!!!!

---------------------------------
Thanks brother man!
January 1, 2009 5:16 PM
 

drewhood said:

anybody who knows anything about politics knows that bush was the most irresponsible president of all time. If its not the leaders fault then whos fault is it? Hes the one who has the final say. So yes it is his fault. He decided to lead us into this war, he decided to be fiscally irresponsible, thats on him. He made decisions based on emotion without caring about what anyone else thought. Its not a coincedence that the country is this fucked up, its because the worst president of all time has led us into this hole, and if u think otherwise your just lying to yourself.
January 1, 2009 5:18 PM
 

Knowl said:

Killa2thaB said:
This nigga said reagan?
----------------------
Yeah he did. Sure that's not Mattdaddy is disguise??? Shouts to Bhudda, Kllla and Kappa
January 1, 2009 5:27 PM
 

Haughville said:

fuck what y'all think....i fux with G.W. Bush! lol...straight up, he gets my vote.
January 1, 2009 5:28 PM
 

Knowl said:

Viva La Revolution!!!!!!!!
HAVANA – Fifty years after triumphant armed rebels descended from the eastern mountains, communist Cuba celebrated the revolution's anniversary Thursday with toned-down festivities after a trio of devastating hurricanes and under the enduring public absence of an ailing Fidel Castro.
The austere celebrations, including dances and concerts across the island, belied the start of a year infused with possibilities for increased cash and visitors, and other changes that might ease Cubans' daily hardships. Many here hope for improved relations with the United States when President-elect Barack Obama takes office Jan. 20 following declarations he would talk directly with Raul Castro and lift severe restrictions on family travel and remittances to the island.
"I hope he gets rid of the blockade," 42-year-old Ana Luisa Mas said as she bought a pork leg for her family's New Year's Eve celebration, referring to decades-old U.S. trade sanctions.
"We are very hopeful that with Obama our relatives will be able to visit us more, and send us more money," she said, maneuvering through hundreds of shoppers packed inside the enclosed Cuatro Caminos farmers market, rushing to buy black beans and rice, salad greens and other New Year's Eve dinner standbys.
"We also hope that Fidel will stay with us a little bit longer," Mas added.
President Raul Castro, who succeeded his older brother in February, planned to speak Thursday night from the same balcony where Fidel declared victory over dictator Fulgencio Batista's government on Jan. 1, 1959.
No foreign leaders were expected at the evening speech on a small, leafy plaza, with little fanfare beyond invitations to 3,000 Communist Party faithful. Outside the seaside U.S. Interests Section in Havana, the popular group Los Van Van were performing.
Fidel Castro's health is a state secret and he remains out of sight after undergoing major intestinal surgery almost 2 1/2 years ago. But the 82-year-old continues to write occasional essays that suggest he still has some say in government affairs.
Shortly before midnight Wednesday, a brief statement by Castro was read on state television, congratulating "our heroic people" on the eve of the anniversary.
The 77-year-old Raul Castro appears to be in firm control of the government, but has yet to introduce any major reforms and few expect transcendent change while his brother is alive.
Officials initially planned a more grandiose anniversary celebration but scaled back after three hurricanes this year caused $10 billion in damages and wiped out nearly a third of Cuba's crops. Raul Castro last week called for more cost-cutting measures as the island posted an annual economic growth of 4.3 percent for the year, barely half the original government forecast.
Over a half-century, the triumphant rebels erased illiteracy, crafted a universal health care system, and built thousands of new schools. But after Fidel Castro embraced communism in 1961, labor unions lost the right to strike, the Catholic Church was harassed, and opponents of the new government were jailed.
The Havana-based non-governmental Cuban Commission for Human Rights and Reconciliation last counted 219 political prisoners on the island, down from as many as 15,000 in 1964.
Cuba's revolution was nevertheless long admired throughout the Third World as Castro stood up defiantly to the "Yankee imperialists," and infant mortality rates began rivaling those of developing countries.
Cuban writer Roberto Fernandez Retamar said the revolutionary movement remains relevant as several regional governments embrace milder versions of the socialist principles long promoted by the island's government. Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador are especially strong leftist allies.
"I think that the hopeful moment we have been seeing in Latin America in recent years has something to do with the Cuban revolution's existence," said Retamar.
Across the decades, Cuba's communist system has hung on, even after the Iron Curtain collapsed and communist China and Vietnam embraced free markets while still maintaining their political systems.
When President George W. Bush leaves office later this month, the revolution will have outlasted 10 American presidents who maintained strict U.S. sanctions aimed at overthrowing the Cuban leadership.
Outgoing Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez, a Cuban-American who used his Bush administration post to promote hard line policies against the Castro government, this week argued against any easing of sanctions.
"To suggest unconditional dialogue with the Castro brothers would only signal that the conditions in Cuba are acceptable," Gutierrez wrote in The Washington Times. "If the United States does not continue to stand for the ideals of freedom and human rights and against the many guises of tyranny and oppression, who will?"
But many others think it is time for a major change in U.S. policies toward the island, and that rapprochement could help force an opening on the island.
"Confrontation plays up Havana's strong suit," Marifeli Perez-Stable of the Inter-American Dialogue, a Washington think tank, wrote in December. "Engagement may show how weak (Cuba's) hand really is. Which one is the real hard line?"

January 1, 2009 5:30 PM
 

jubilee.shine said:

From Cynthia McKinney: We Lived to Tell the Story; Lebanon Rescued Us‏

To: updates@lists.allthingscynthiamckinney.com
January 1, 2009 - We Lived to Tell the Story:  Lebanon Rescued Us

Yesterday, we met with the President of Lebanon, the Chief of the Military, and the Interior Minister who all thanked us for responding and risking our lives on a mission of mercy; we profusely thanked them for rescuing us.

What would we have done, stranded out at sea, prohibited from reaching our destination, low on fuel, with a badly damaged boat if Lebanon had not accepted us?  Lebanon sent their ships to find us.  Lebanon rescued us.  Lebanon welcomed us.  And we are truly thankful.

It's official now.  We've been told that the sturdy, wood construction of our boat, Dignity, is the reason we are still alive.  Fiberglass would probably not have withstood the impact of the Israeli attack and under different circumstances, we might not be here to tell the story.  Even at that, the report that came to us yesterday after the Captain and First Mate went back to Sour (Tyre) to inspect the boat was that it was sinking, the damage is extensive, and the boat will take, in their estimation, at least one month to repair.  Tomorrow, we will bring the Dignity from Sour to Beirut.  And now, we must decide what to do and from where we will do it and how we are to get back to wherever that might be.

My personal, and I know the group's, thanks must go to Al Jazeera, that allowed three of their reporters to be onboard with us on our voyage.  As a result, Al Jazeera carried the story of the Dignity live, from castoff in Cyprus when our spirits were high, right up through the manacing maneuvers of the huge, super fast Israeli ships before they rammed us, the Israeli calls on the ship phone after the ramming calling us terrorists and subversives and telling us to return to Cyprus (even though the Israelis later claimed that they didn't know who we were, they knew enough about us to tell us where we had come from), and the fact that we didn't have enough fuel to follow their instructions, right up to their threat to fire at us if we didn't turn around, ending with our beaten-up boat limping into Sour harbor in Lebanon.  Al Jazeera carried our story as "breaking news" and performed a real service to its audience and to us.  Al Jazeera called the Israelis to inquire about the incident right as it was happening and I am sure the Israelis were prepared to leave none to tell the story.  Al Jazeera told the story and documented it as it was happening.

One of those Al Jazeera reporters with us was Sami El-Haj, who was detained in Guantanamo by the United States for six incredibly long years.  What an honor to even exchange glances with such a humble man who had endured so much pain at the hands of the U.S. government.  I apologized to him that my tax dollars were being used in such a despicable way.  And Sami's crime according to the U.S.?  Born in Sudan, and reporting for Al Jazeera in Afghanistan, Sami was the wrong color, the wrong nationality, the wrong religion, reporting for the wrong news outfit, telling us the truth about a wrong war.  And for that he survived incarceration for six long years.  Sami El-Haj, Guantanamo prisoner number 345.

Another incredibly committed journalist who was with us was CNN's Karl Penhaul.   Karl reported the truth even when his own station was repeating Israeli disinformation.  The fact that we were traveling with these alert journalists added to the flat-footedness and obvious crudeness of the Israeli response.  Sadly, Israel has changed its story too many times to count, and that's because they are not telling the truth.

We lived to tell the story.   Karl's incredible reporting, just a portion of our story, can be seen on CNN at:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12/30/gaza.aid.boat/index.html

where there's also video and a photo of our damaged boat.  A little more of the story and film of the extensive damage can be seen at:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12/30/gaza.aid.boat/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

This video and the photos of Karl's report is particularly interesting given that Israel claims that our boat was only scratched and that, in actuality, our captain, while trying to outmaneuver them, damaged their warship.

I'm told that CNN only played my full statement once--and that's the time that it aired live.  Of course, they cut the reference to the U.S.S. Liberty.  What are they afraid of?

Last night I was on PressTV.com, along with others who were on the Dignity, and we debated a representative from WINEP, the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.  I reminded the audience that the Palestinians don't have nuclear weapons, depleted uranium munitions, white phosphorous, or F-16s, but the Israelis do.  The facts, however, tend to get garbled after being processed by the "Grand Wurlitzer" organ of state-sponsored disinformation utilizing the world's press.

With the truth clearly on our side, Israel has been reduced to releasing the ridiculous bombast below, given to me by a reporter who came to our hotel in Beirut for a visit.  With their multiple, conflicting stories, it is clear that the Israelis did not expect us to live to tell the truth.

On the drive from Sour through Saida to Beirut, we were welcomed like heroes because our ordeal had been seen by everyone on Al Jazeera.    The mayor of Sour came to welcome us.  The mayor of Saida insisted that we stop there, on our way to Beirut, for a special ceremony.  But there was something else that was visible along our drive, and that is the devastation that Lebanon, itself, has received as a result of the Israeli war machine.  The scars of the war are still evident everywhere.  I will write more on that tomorrow.

And one final note, President-elect Obama roared like a mighty lion onto the political scene, but now he is as silent as a lamb in the face of the death and destruction that is happening in Gaza.  As we approach the birthday celebration of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. let us remember what Dr. King said:

"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."

And after five days of aerial bombardment by Israel, the carnage in Gaza continues.

Here is the palaver that the Israelis put out for public consumption.  It is pitiful that a powerful and mighty country like Israel would be reduced to publishing something so petty and weak as the following press release dated December 30, 2008:


seal
Consulate General of Israel to the Southeast



Press Release
     

Office of Media Affairs

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
12.30.2008




Israel continues to take its humanitarian relief efforts in Gaza seriously.  Border crossings into Gaza remain open, and every effort is being made to deliver aid to the Palestinian people.  Nearly 100 trucks carrying relief supplies entered Gaza on the 28th & 29th of December and additional shipments are arriving.  Israel is working closely with UNSCO, UNRWA, the Red Cross, and WHO to ensure the entry of the required aid, especially food and medical equipment.

Unfortunately, former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney has taken it upon herself to commit an act of provocation, leading a small boat of supposed assistants into the conflict zone.  She endangered herself, her assistants, and the vessel's crew.  The Israeli navy hailed Ms. McKinney but the former Congresswoman failed to respond, thereby leading to the incident.  We regret that during this time of crisis, while Israel is battling with the terrorist organization of Hamas and defending its citizens, that we are forced to deal with Ms. McKinney's irresponsible behavior.

Consulate General of Israel
to the Southeast
1100 Spring St NW, Ste 440
Atlanta, GA 30309-2823

     

Michael Printy Arthur
Director of Media Affairs
404.487.6511
media@atlanta.mfa.gov.il

For additional information, please visit our website.

--
The shock, awe and heart attacks that followed Madoff's confession that he was 'running a Ponzi scheme' drew as much anger for the money lost and the fall from the moneyed class as for the embarrassment of knowing that the world's biggest exploiters and smartest swindlers on Wall Street, were completely 'taken' by one of their own.  Not only did they suffer big losses but their self-image of themselves as rich because they are so smart and of 'superior stock' was utterly shattered:  They saw themselves as suffering the same fate as all the schmucks they had previously swindled, exploited and dispossessed in their climb to the top.  There is nothing worse for the ego of a respectable swindler than to be trumped by a bigger swindler.  As a result, a number of the biggest losers have so far refused to give their names or the amount they lost, working instead through lawyers fighting off other losers.
--James Petras

"And advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool."
--PNAC, Rebuilding America's Defenses, p. 60

The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.
--Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in our Time
January 1, 2009 5:32 PM
 

GawgaBwoy770 said:

@ Akaneon1

You said some real shit about that connection and I agree but I disagree with you on Reagan..He was a part of the same group..You can't knock those without knocking him..They might've had to scare him with a CIA hit but he still was connected to him..It's a reason he went out with no memory like that..I'd definitely be interested in seeing his personal memoirs because i know it's some real deep shit in there.
January 1, 2009 5:35 PM
 

jubilee.shine said:

Amiri Baraka

INTERVIEW CLIPS

On his trip to Cuba in 1959-1960 and hearing Fidel Castro.

On a personal meeting with Fidel Castro.

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/ccbh/mxp/baraka.html

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January 1, 2009 5:41 PM
 

jubilee.shine said:

wasnt cia chief george w bush reagans vp?
January 1, 2009 5:48 PM
 

Hoeyuno said:

Bush was the worst leader of any country ever.... i mean at least hitler had brains
January 1, 2009 5:51 PM
 

Knowl said:

Shout out to Ms Dallas NEW YORK – One million revelers packed into Times Square plus a ton of confetti and countless noisemakers equals a whole lot of garbage — about 40 tons, according to the city Department of Sanitation.
Cleanup crews hit the streets shortly after midnight Thursday following the 2009 ball drop. Sanitation spokesman Keith Mellis said 163 people worked until 8 a.m. to sweep up the party trash, and a new shift started at 11 a.m. to tidy the area.
Because of the wind — nearly 25 mph gusts throughout the city — the department wasn't quite sure how much trash was strewn about, but Mellis expected a little more than last year's 40 tons. The Times Square Alliance, which puts on the event, said about 1 million people attended.
The biggest cleanup challenge is shooing away the massive crowd so crews can being work, Sanitation Commissioner John J. Doherty said.
"It takes a while," he said. "Last night was a windy night. There's probably confetti as far as the East River."
Mayor Michael Bloomberg was out early Thursday praising the department's work and expressing optimism about 2009 despite the economic gloom of 2008.
"There were an awful lot of good things that took place in 2008," he said. "Fewer people went to bed hungry, fewer people slept without a roof over their head, democracy continues to work in this country."
January 1, 2009 5:53 PM
 

jubilee.shine said:

A New Reality Is Better Than a New Movie!

by Amiri Baraka (LeRoi Jones)

How will it go, crumbling earthquake, towering inferno, juggernaut, volcano, smashup,
in reality, other than the feverish nearreal fantasy of the capitalist flunky film hacks
tho they sense its reality breathing a quake inferno scar on their throat even snorts of
100% pure cocaine cant cancel the cold cut of impending death to this society. On all the
screens of america, the joint blows up every hour and a half for two dollars an fifty cents.
They have taken the niggers out to lunch, for a minute, made us partners nigger Charlie) or
surrogates (boss nigger) for their horror. But just as superafrikan mobutu cannot leop
   ardskinhat his
way out of responsibility for lumumba’s death, nor even with his incredible billions
   rockefeller
cannot even save his pale ho’s titties in the crushing weight of
things as they really are.
How will it go, does it reach you, getting up, sitting on the side
of the bed, getting ready to go to work.   Hypnotized by the ma-
chine, and the cement floor, the jungle treachery of
   trying
to survive with no money in a money world, of making the boss
100,000 for every 200
   dollars
you get, and then having his brother get you for the rent, and if
you want to buy the car
   you
helped build, your downpayment paid for it, the rest goes to buy
his old lady a foam
   rubber
rhinestone set of boobies for special occasions when kissinger
drunkenly fumbles with her blouse, forgetting himself.
If you don’t like it, what you gonna do about it. That was the
question we asked each
   other, &
still right regularly need to ask. You don't like it? Whatcha
gonna do, about it??
The real terror of nature is humanity enraged, the true
technicolor spectacle that
   hollywood
cant record. They cant even show you how you look when you
go to work, or when you
   come back.
They cant even show you thinking or demanding the new so-
cialist reality, its the ultimate
   tidal
wave. When all over the planet, men and women, with heat in
their hands, demand that
   society
be planned to include the lives and self determination of all the
people ever to live. That is the scalding scenario with a cast of
just under two billion that they dare not even whisper. Its called,
“We Want It All . . . The Whole World!”


Amiri Baraka, “A New Reality Is Better Than a New Movie!” from Transbluesency: The Selected Poems of Amiri Baraka/LeRoi Jones, 1961-1995 (New York: Marsilio Publishers, 1995). Copyright © 1995 by Amiri Baraka.
January 1, 2009 6:08 PM
 

NJRebel said:

that's very good logic there illseed, nice way to get the '09 poppin', keep doing your thing man
January 1, 2009 6:08 PM
 

jubilee.shine said:

Incident
by Amiri Baraka (LeRoi Jones)

He came back and shot. He shot him. When he came
back, he shot, and he fell, stumbling, past the
shadow wood, down, shot, dying, dead, to full halt.

At the bottom, bleeding, shot dead. He died then, there
after the fall, the speeding bullet, tore his face
and blood sprayed fine over the killer and the grey light.

Pictures of the dead man, are everywhere. And his spirit
sucks up the light. But he died in darkness darker than
his soul and everything tumbled blindly with him dying

down the stairs.

We have no word

on the killer, except he came back, from somewhere
to do what he did. And shot only once into his victim's
stare, and left him quickly when the blood ran out. We know

the killer was skillful, quick, and silent, and that the victim
probably knew him. Other than that, aside from the caked sourness
of the dead man's expression, and the cool surprise in the fixture

of his hands and fingers, we know nothing.


Amiri Baraka, “Incident” from Black Magic (Indianapolis: The Bobbs-Merrill Company, 1969). Copyright © 1969 by Amiri Baraka.
January 1, 2009 6:16 PM
 

Doe A. Fella said:

Damn I missed the Reagan debate. SMMFH

Reagan was a hero to most, but he neva meant shit to me
Yes he straight out racist the sucka was simple and plain
MUTHAFUCK HIM AND JOHN WAYNE!!!!!!!!
January 1, 2009 7:05 PM
 

adopefemalemc said:

George W. Bush's 50 greatest accomplishments

1.)I attacked and took over two countries.

2.)I spent the US surplus and bankrupted the US treasury.

3.)I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history (not easy)

4.)I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

5.)I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

6.)I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

7.)I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

8.)In my first year in office I set the all-time record for the most days on vacation by any president in US history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did).

9.)After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.

10.)I set the record for most campaign raising trips by any president in US history.

11.)In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.

12.)I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.

13.)I set the all-time record for most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month period.

14.)I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any other president in US history.

15.)I set the record for fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of TV.

16.)I presided over the biggest energy crisis in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

17.)I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other US president in history.

18.)I cut health-care benefits for war veterans.

19.)I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any one person in the history of mankind.

20.)I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

21.)I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.

22.)Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history (the poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her).

23.)I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy.

24.)I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world.

25.)I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community.

26.)I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the US.

27.)I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history (Reagan was hard to beat, but I did it!!!)

28.)I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations to remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.

29.)I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.

30.)I removed more checks and balances and have the least congressional oversight of any presidential administration in US history.

31.)I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

32.)I withdrew from the World Court Of Law.

33.)I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

34.)I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations elections inspectors access during the 2002 elections.

35.)I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for the most corporate campaign donations.

36.)The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of EnronCorporation)

37.)I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.

38.)I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1).

39.)I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.

40.)I took the world's sympathy for the US after 9/11, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).

41.)I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

42.)I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

43.)I set the all-time record for the number of administration appointees who violated US laws by not selling their huge investments in corporations that later made bids for gov. contracts.

44.)I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.

45.)I have created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided that the US has been since the Civil War.

46.)I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

47.)I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).

48.)I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of war. I refused to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.

49.)All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records of any SEC investigation into my insider trading or bankrupted companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

50.)All minutes of meetings of any public corporations for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
January 1, 2009 7:06 PM
 

adopefemalemc said:

George W. Bush's 50 greatest accomplishments

1.)I attacked and took over two countries.

2.)I spent the US surplus and bankrupted the US treasury.

3.)I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history (not easy)

4.)I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

5.)I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

6.)I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

7.)I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

8.)In my first year in office I set the all-time record for the most days on vacation by any president in US history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did).

9.)After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.

10.)I set the record for most campaign raising trips by any president in US history.

11.)In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.

12.)I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.

13.)I set the all-time record for most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month period.

14.)I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any other president in US history.

15.)I set the record for fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of TV.

16.)I presided over the biggest energy crisis in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

17.)I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other US president in history.

18.)I cut health-care benefits for war veterans.

19.)I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any one person in the history of mankind.

20.)I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

21.)I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.

22.)Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history (the poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her).

23.)I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy.

24.)I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world.

25.)I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community.

26.)I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the US.

27.)I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history (Reagan was hard to beat, but I did it!!!)

28.)I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations to remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.

29.)I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.

30.)I removed more checks and balances and have the least congressional oversight of any presidential administration in US history.

31.)I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

32.)I withdrew from the World Court Of Law.

33.)I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

34.)I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations elections inspectors access during the 2002 elections.

35.)I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for the most corporate campaign donations.

36.)The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of EnronCorporation)

37.)I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.

38.)I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1).

39.)I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.

40.)I took the world's sympathy for the US after 9/11, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).

41.)I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

42.)I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

43.)I set the all-time record for the number of administration appointees who violated US laws by not selling their huge investments in corporations that later made bids for gov. contracts.

44.)I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.

45.)I have created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided that the US has been since the Civil War.

46.)I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

47.)I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).

48.)I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of war. I refused to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.

49.)All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records of any SEC investigation into my insider trading or bankrupted companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

50.)All minutes of meetings of any public corporations for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
January 1, 2009 7:09 PM
 

Kappagem said:

Haha...

Adope1, I remember the first time I saw his 50 was like 2 yrs ago or something...

I see they have been updated with the way this year has played out...

Good stuff...

F*ck Bush:)
January 1, 2009 7:17 PM
 

Bhudda Flii said:

good look on the mckinney update, jube...

for all ya californians....

Calif. Taxpayers Due Refunds May Get IOUs

By Patrick Healy
NBCBayArea.com
updated 1 hour, 12 minutes ago

If you expect you'll be getting a refund from California when you file your 2008 state income tax return, be prepared: you may instead receive a "registered warrant." Translation: an IOU.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28448852
January 1, 2009 7:19 PM
 

coon66 said:

Who wants to bet that Akaneon1 is really pissed that illseed didnt go back and forth with him about the presidency,lol...  I bet the bank,lol
January 1, 2009 7:39 PM
 

jubilee.shine said:

 
adopefemalemc said:
George W. Bush's 50 greatest accomplishments

1.)I attacked and took over two countries.
---------

3 countries.  haiti.
January 1, 2009 7:42 PM
 

Bhudda Flii said:

GET READY TO GET GOT!!!

told ya! any day now...
-------------

New No. 1 bank: Bank of America

Completion of Merrill Lynch acquisition places company ahead of JP Morgan Chase and Citigroup.

Bank of America also takes over Merrill's nearly 50% stake in the powerful money manager BlackRock Inc. (BLK, Fortune 500)

"We are now uniquely positioned to win market share and expand our leadership position in markets around the world," Lewis said in a statement Thursday.

And while Bank of America and Merrill together raised $25 billion of capital from the Treasury Department's $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program, many analysts have said they may need more. Bank of America in October halved its dividend, and some analysts said another cut might be needed.

...despite the industry turmoil, the bank has so far survived, and is widely considered to be too large to be allowed to fail.

The Charlotte, N.C.-based bank did not immediately return calls seeking further comment.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/01/news/companies/boa_merrill.reut/index.htm?postversion=2009010111


January 1, 2009 7:46 PM
 

jubilee.shine said:

dopefemalemc you hip to this?


blackdotcafe magazine
http://blackdotcafe.blogspot.com/2006_06_01_archive.html

The Web Log of Oakland's Black Dot Artists Collective
Friday, June 16, 2006
BARAKA BLESSES THE BLACK NEW WORLD



IMAMU AMIRI BARAKA BLESSES THE BLACK NEW WORLD
BY MARCEL DIALLO


As usual with things concerning Black Dot, our most respected elder, Amiri Baraka came to town this weekend to bless our newest venue, The Black New World. If you are familiar with the history of the Black Dot Artists Collective, every time we have opened a new venue, we have had Amiri Baraka come to open the way. This time, in line with our current struggle for self-determination, self-reliance and the creation of a Black Cultural District in West Oakland called The Village Bottoms. The Newark, New Jersey resident and Poet Laureate of the People flew across the country amidst his son Ras Baraka's city council campaign to be with us. He spoke to a capacity crowd at The Black New World, that included such luminaries as Black Panther Party members Bobby Seale, Katheen Cleaver and Emory Douglas, Black Arts Movement poet Marvin X, and our most eminent Japanese-American activist Yuri Kochiyama who has dedicated most of her natural life to the advancement of all Third World peoples. Baraka spoke about the importance of having a Black United Front as well as how that Black United Front should operate within an International Front made up of Third World nationalities and the advanced segments of the White population. He echoed sentiments of W.E.B. Dubois, stating that Black people should look at China as an example of self-determination. He spoke about the need for an alternative superstructure, alternative media and cultural venues to challenge and correct the mainstream dissemination of anti-thinking, backward culture.

It was very important for Baraka to come bless the house, not only because the capacity crowd of activists, cultural workers, students and community folks needed to be inspired and rejuvenated by his fiery spirit, but also to reinforce the fact that the movement that myself and others are leading down here in West Oakland's Village Bottoms is definitely something to get involved with. The Black New World is but one piece of an entire vision to retain and revitalize an advanced Black cultural presence in West Oakland amidst the aggressive onslaught of gentrification as well as the (if I may make up a word) 501c3-ification of would-be effective grassroots organizations that now strive to meet the demands of philanthropic foundations instead of the demands of the people. We, like Baraka before us, stand steadfast in the face of adversity in our mission to do the culture and economic development of our people in a self-determined manner. We are struggling to maintain a Black united front with various Black groups in Oakland as well as an International Front through our Third World cultural arts organization, The Eastside Arts Alliance. And we, as the movers of the Village Bottoms Cultural District vision, have been forced to look to China in a very real way. The Chinese community of private money lenders do not operate under the same rules as White capital, therefore allowing the opportunity of Black economic advancement without the traditional jim crow capitalism of most White run lending institutions. They too have their hang-ups, but it's not about Black & White with them, it is about relationship. Black people learn from China!




One thing I must note here is that although the venue was filled to capacity, and there was no room for anymore audience, i am still rather disturbed that every time we've brought Amiri Baraka to speak in the Bay Area for the past decade, I have never seen any "slam poets" or "def poetry jam" artists in attendance. If anybody needs to be hearing what this man is saying it is this group of artists and intellectuals. You would think that if these people are the firebrand, socially conscious wordsmiths that they make themselves out to be, they would be knowledgeable enough to understand that it is a once in a lifetime opportunity to experience a master of the language and form of modern American verse. They would know that it is simply just good homework to experience one of the prime movers of the Beat Generation who not only wrote, but published and edited other well-known poets like Allen Gingsberg, Jack Kerouac, William Burroughs, Diane DiPrima and Robert Creeley and then turned around and fathered the Black Arts Movement of poets and writers, that included Sonia Sanchez, Nikki Giovanni, Don L. Lee, Marvin X, and Ed Bullins among others.

Amiri Baraka is the Civil Rights era poet that basically got the torch passed down to him from Poet Laureate of The Harlem Renaissance, Langston Hughes. As he often states of his early days in the Village, Langston sent him a letter in green ink recognizing his poetic blackness, that letter hangs on Baraka's wall up to this day. Hughes later wrote a poem in his honor entitled "That Boy, Roi". During his talk this past Saturday, June 10, 2006 at The Black New World, Baraka spoke about what it meant and felt like as a young poet to be asked to take Langston Hughes' place on that famous trip to Cuba taken by a select group of American writers and artists in 1960, Baraka, commented "To take Langston's place. That's a heavy thing." This is the trip that first politicized Baraka in a meaningful way, and led to the 1961 publication of the broadside essay Cuba Libre! At The Black New World, Baraka stated that Fidel Castro is one of the people he holds dearest, because he's "kicked the butts" of a hand full of United States Presidents and is still in power today facing Bush 2 as an avid rival of U.S imperialism.

All in all, Amiri Baraka shared bits and pieces of his (r)evolutionary life and opinions with us. The one thing he said that is still ringing in my ear as I write this was his response to a contract that some institution wanted him to sign stating that he would not say anything offensive at a keynote address he was suppose to give. Baraka stated that the real question is "offensive to whom?" because when Frederick Douglas in his public address against slavery on July 5, 1852 at an event commemorating the signing of the Declaration of Independence, exclaimed that 'This Fourth of July is yours, not mine. You may rejoice, I must mourn.', "I'm sure that was offensive to the white slave holders in the room". Baraka went on to say that it is our duty to offend these beasts that seek to oppress us, as often as possible, and with every bone in our bodies.
January 1, 2009 7:49 PM
 

poe said:

chunk up the deuce & tilt it to the side for BUSH!
January 1, 2009 7:57 PM
 

adopefemalemc said:

Jube, I heard of that BlackDotCafe and of course the Eastside Arts Alliance, but I think the last time I hella built w/ the poets and what not out in Oakland jumpstarted in 2005, when I went to the Malcolm X Consciousness Conference at Laney College. That's where I met Amir Sulaiman (def poet), Chuck D., Fred Hampton Jr, Davey D, Yo-Yo and Jeff Johnson aka Cousin Jeff for the first time. I was on my spoken-word hustle and then I had surgery in late '05, and hit the ground running w/ rap after I recovered.

That's been an internal battle for the longest:

poet Keyanna vs. rap Keyanna

I never really do both @ once, they go in phases, I'm writin hella poetry and then I'm writin hella raps.

Poetry is just now starting to get some play again in my world.

But anyway, I'm def. open to hearing him speak, keep me up on events. Black ppl have disagreed bout faiths for a long time, don't mean they couldn't build together and work together twd change.

Yo, u should check out the Hip-Hop Chess Federation, it goes down every year w/ RZA, etc., and Davey D, Fred Hampton Jr, etc are always in attendance. The next in Feb. Headed by Adisa Banjoko, who builds w/ our label real tough, he writes for AHH, as well.

http://www.hiphopchessfederation.org/


But yeah, lace ya girl on event around the Bay, I kno u stay up on him and stuff goin down in Oakland.
January 1, 2009 8:03 PM
 

MissDallasTx214 said:

@ Knowl that's wassup, I watched the countdown in Times Square on t.v. and it looked like it was cold as hell, lol, Im glad I didn't go. Hope everyone had a happy and safe new years!
January 1, 2009 8:03 PM
 

adopefemalemc said:

Bhudda Flii said:
good look on the mckinney update, jube...

for all ya californians....

Calif. Taxpayers Due Refunds May Get IOUs

By Patrick Healy
NBCBayArea.com
updated 1 hour, 12 minutes ago

If you expect you'll be getting a refund from California when you file your 2008 state income tax return, be prepared: you may instead receive a "registered warrant." Translation: an IOU.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28448852
----------------------------------------------------

Just read this article, Bhudda Flii, thanks for that. That's some cooollllld sh*t right there, we been havn them take $$ out our checks on time every pay period, and now they wanna throw an IOU when it's time to pay up!!

whew..I can't get outta CA fast enough..

This lil bubble we floatn in about to POP!
January 1, 2009 8:08 PM
 

Bhudda Flii said:

barack is full of shit. yah i said it.

he had so much to say about mumbai/india, the economy, but now that its beloved israel... oh, we only have one president at a time.

president-elect, please. you'll be sworn in in less than 3 weeks.

ain't nobody try'n to hear that.


January 1, 2009 8:09 PM
 

Bhudda Flii said:

yah dope...

i'm glad i got outta ny when i did. we were paying taxes out the ass!!!

i'm just wondering where the riots gonna start first... ny or ca??
January 1, 2009 8:12 PM
 

EmzieHHK said:

George Bush Is a prick!!
January 1, 2009 8:14 PM
 

adopefemalemc said:

waddup, Kap, like the avi. lol

Jube, u aint see when i put up that childhood video of u yesterday?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B60KKOPO2yY
January 1, 2009 8:15 PM
 

adopefemalemc said:

waddup, Kap, like the avi. lol

Jube, u aint see when i put up that childhood video of u yesterday?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B60KKOPO2yY
January 1, 2009 8:15 PM
 

jubilee.shine said:

Fidel congratulates the Cuban people

With the 50th anniversary of the triumph just a few hours away, I congratulate our heroic people.

Fidel Castro Ruz
December 31, 2008
7 p.m.


Cubans mark the 50th anniversary of Castro revolution:

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=11341507&ch=4226714&src=news
January 1, 2009 8:28 PM
 

SEARS TOWER said:

KAP, BP1,FIZZ AND WHO EVER ELSE

LETS GET FOCUS ON THIS MONEY

YA'LL KNOW THE ADDRESS AND SOME KNOW MY NUMBER

GEY AT ME!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSgRD1VqQPs




January 1, 2009 8:29 PM
 

T-ROC said:

@    adopefemalemc

That is some real shyt. ("George W. Bush's 50 greatest accomplishments")
January 1, 2009 8:35 PM
 

Killa2thaB said:

@Sears: I like money
January 1, 2009 8:43 PM
 

Deuce53 said:

hahahahaha, clowning....props for the thought process goin into it, its a definite different take on man of the year...and that shoe shit cracks me up everytime i fuckin see that, too bad our leader (until the 20th!!!) makes us look the way he makes us...on that thot, happy motherfuckin new years, lets get it on and poppin startin on the 20th!
January 1, 2009 9:00 PM
 

drewhood said:

@ adopefemalemc

couldnt have laid it out any better than that
January 1, 2009 9:07 PM
 

adopefemalemc said:

Waddup T-Roc & Drewhood?

@ Illseed

Yo, THIS shoulda been up in the Christmas jams! Just peeped this myspace, he got some dope tracks..

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=94947559
January 1, 2009 9:20 PM
 

SEARS TOWER said:

KILLA WHAT UP YOUNG PIMP?

HIT ME WITH YO EMAIL OR MYSPACE

CAUSE IT GONE TAKE MONEY TO MAKE MONEY

YOU WHAT I'M TALKIN BOUT
January 1, 2009 9:20 PM
 

adopefemalemc said:

Everybody come check out my new single Good Wit Me featuring Jimmie Reign, a beautiful ode to solid, strong Black men everywhere..

http://www.myspace.com/keyannabean


As well, check out some of the dopest and soulful beats I've heard in a long time, get your music fix here

http://www.myspace.com/soulmusikproductions

                        &

http://www.xoulmusik.com
January 1, 2009 9:40 PM
 

SEARS TOWER said:

January 1, 2009 9:41 PM
 

ZRO_Coldest said:

@dope
dig the new single......good look!
January 1, 2009 9:46 PM
 

HoodProphet said:

damn,

I hope some of yall watching Ted Turner answer questions on C-Span

students asking dude about him supporting population reduction and shit like that

the moderator trying to filter out or paraphrase peoples questions to Ted

a must watch, im tellin you.   hopefully it will be recorded on you tube.  I think its from 11/18/2008

ted said after he sold cnn to time warner, he left the board in 2006

somebody asked him about media, and he said he believes its too big and too powerful.

he also said capitalism is a failure because it fails to factor inn destruction to nature and the natural order.  (ex.  no value placed on forest vs GDP growth)

aint that a blip.

they asking dude about rupert murdock and all that.
January 1, 2009 10:05 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

coon66 said:

"Who wants to bet that Akaneon1 is really pissed that illseed didnt go back and forth with him about the presidency,lol...  I bet the bank,lol"

Doesn't matter because 90% of this thread is smarter than illseed anyways. Hell, even the ad banners are smarter than illseed
January 1, 2009 10:05 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

Even George W. Bush is smarter than illseed.
January 1, 2009 10:06 PM
 

HoodProphet said:

damn, one student asked ted turner how hw felt abotu americans picking Bush for two terms.

turner said that he was good friends with Al Gore, and that he questioned rather or not the election results were "cooked"

he said that he wept, when he heard the results because he knew what would happen.

he said, "democracy doesnt always work"  and related it to adolf hitler being chosen in germany.

interesting indeed.  i really need to see if i can find a copy of this.

c-span be doing it sometime.
January 1, 2009 10:14 PM
 

HoodProphet said:

this event was in Los Angeles at the university of Southern Cali
January 1, 2009 10:16 PM
 

SEARS TOWER said:

YO HP
What you think about black folks starting their own party?

cause no matter who we as black people vote for
the shit never reach home.  We got a blcack president
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

that joy is over. its folks loosing jobs, loosing homes, OBAMA talking about all these jobs

what about the BRO  who get out of jail? can they get a job?

and when shit do get better can the folks who lost they house, can they move back in?

i mean what about the kids?

his kids can afford to go to the best schools
what about our kids?

just think

they have a show on tv called first 48 and all they show is young folks getting killed

now my question is who is in charge of this being shown on tv

who idea was this? but back to what i was talking about

Black folks need to have they own everything
because this share shit
is crazy

just look at my city
our GOv got hooked on some bullshit
but all they do is point the finger at OBAMA

so i think what we need to do as black is start thinking like republicans

because they know how to get money


now folks can say whatever they want about BUSH
but look at what he really DID

he started a war about oil that his family is into

so what happin? gas went up! who did that money go to?  the troops still there
he still smiling......NOW LOOK WHO THEY GOT TO CLEAN THIS BULLSHIT UP

BLACK FOLKS NEED TO GET OFF THE BOO BOO
AND PEEP THE GAME

CAUSE THEY TEACHING US HOW TO GET RICH


JUST THINK
PEOPLE AINT LEAVING WHERE THEY LIVE TO COME HERE CAUSE SHIT FUCKED UP

THEY LEAVING CAUSE SHIT SWEET
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3YDpUcrfmU
January 1, 2009 10:58 PM
 

SEARS TOWER said:

January 1, 2009 11:05 PM
 

VAgogetta said:

ey kapp u's a fool for that avi! lmao!!!

forget what yall been talkin about today. we all know reagan DELIBERATELY put crack in the hood through the CIA while lookin' the other way. forget what anybody else say or think.




ey HP,

eagles gon smack them vikings on they own porch like that Ransom video the other day. HA!
January 1, 2009 11:09 PM
 

SEARS TOWER said:

The Hate that Hate Produced by Mike Wallace - Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z43D_7dQ7hk

January 1, 2009 11:09 PM
 

adopefemalemc said:

Thank u, Z-Ro! I pre'shate that!

Waddup, HP?


Sears, I think our best bet, short of not believing in democracy, was the Green Party.

It was hella hard for me to vote for Barack cuz I met Rosa Clemente, who was Cynthia McKinnley's VP pick.

We'da had a Black woman president and a Puerto Rican VP.

I just knew it'd only come down to the Dems or Repubs, so it wouldn't have made a difference if I voted Green or not.

And Rosa was solid, man, I built w/ her @ San Francisco State, her and M1 of dead prez, they was on a panel w/ Shamako Noble, who is the CEO of the label I'm on.

(check out Shamako Noble's organization: http://www.hiphopcongress.org)

Anyway, maybe it's like Knowl said, let this sh*t crumble so we can go back to the drawing board and start over.

(I had an evil thought one time: 'member the movie Blindness that came out? Where the whole world was suddenly slowly going blind? what if all white ppl started going blind? And was @ every other ethnic group's mercy? what u think would happen?)

disclaimer: I can imagine it, right? I mean, I can't have my thoughts, that's all I got! I'm just sayin, I wonder how this would play out if white folks aint have no say. Not ya'll cool, down & solid able-body white folks, ya'll aight w/ me..just the racist cats and tptb, like my girl Bhudda Flii say. (the powers that be)
January 1, 2009 11:14 PM
 

SEARS TOWER said:

VA
CHECK OUT MY LINKS PLAYBOY

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YA'LL
January 1, 2009 11:14 PM
 

HoodProphet said:

@VA gogetta

no doubt.  i hear minnesota was having problems selling tickets to the game or something.  wont be surprised if some philly fans fly out and fill those seats.

@Sears Tower

I hear you homie.  anybody thats truly waiting for Obama to solve their personal and individual problems, are truly waiting for failure and disappointment.  the system just dont work like that.  rather the man has good intentions or ill will.  

I always promote us better learning the system around us.  If you pay attention now, even in the heat of adversity and trauma with the last few years, so many of our people still ass backwards with no desire to get right.

but if you think about it, Harriet Tubman didnt allow the weak to slow her movement.  She loved them just the same, but she was willing to leave they asses behind if necessary.

this is a tough hard lesson, that I see necessary though.  You cant force people to be great, aware, or to desire more for themselves.  these are all choices, not rules.

So, I am watching, paying attention, learning, and understanding what is unfolding around me, and am interested in joing forces with those who have the same interest.

There are some black folks interested in growth and change, it just aint easy to find.  but u are right on in your urgency to want to unite with folks.

theres two ways to move as a group.  One is to have a leader and many followers all going in the same direction.  Another is to have many leaders all moving in the same direction.

the second one is harder to break.  a lot of us have leadership qualities, just aint moving in the same direction.   should find common ideals.  and let ego be below progress.  and that should do it.

I saw you mentioning business ventures and stuff like that.  trying to link up with folks.  Its hard for me to really figure out the route to take on that right now, until they are done moving the legos around and playing tetris.

I have some sales experience and have engaged in a few entrepreneurial ventures over the years.  What I find to be crucial is that you have a passion for whatever it is your pushing  everything else falls in order after that.
January 1, 2009 11:29 PM
 

HoodProphet said:

whatup dope,

i meant to watch that movie blindness.

thought was interesting when the trailers came out.  somehow I let it slip by.  I need to check that out.

I hear you on the cyn mckinney thing.  I think it could have been a good show of a rebellious vote.  but she didnt really have a chance.  The system has always been designed to be a two party system.  one is the yin the other is the yang.  which is which is open to perspective of the public.

and thats how you keep a split.  duality.  the other parties have always been their just to add stuffing to the turkey.  make democracy look real.  but the electoral college was set up to remind us that democracy never truly exist because leaders never truly have the same faith in followers that followers have in leaders.

so they got to keep the results under control.
January 1, 2009 11:35 PM
 

VAgogetta said:

@adope,

4 thumbs up. wait...i ain't 4 thumbs.



2 thumbs up
January 1, 2009 11:36 PM
 

Akaneon1 said:

If you blame white people for everything, wouldn't that mean that you're really the one who is racist? Just saying...
January 2, 2009 12:17 AM
 

DC CA$HVILLE said:

Hey Guys!!!

I'm back from the dead, but nothing has change, i see.  People beefing, getting robbed and smacked, and Yung Berg and Souljah Boy taking Ls.  Cheers to allhiphop.com and 2009.

Oh, does anyone know how to your username without creating a new account.  I will not be going by  DC CA$HVILLE, anymore.

Peace and more hair grease,

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
January 2, 2009 12:27 AM
 

adopefemalemc said:

*Akaneon, this convo has been had many times on the board, I aint finna get into it. The person who always protests the comments is white. That's what the disclaimer was for. u aint posta be offended. Just honest about who are the powers that be and what they've done.

*HP, I can dig that, I really can. Think there's any hope now, though? To save any sort of democracy? (co-sign the electoral college point & 'trickle down' BS) What u see in the cards and is there any way u see to protest it?

(I kno there's safety in numbers and a whole lotta Americans would hafta be down to make any real change)


*Thank you, VA!!
January 2, 2009 12:30 AM
 

DC CA$HVILLE said:

DC CA$HVILLE said:

Oh, does anyone know how to CHANGE your username without creating a new account.  I will not be going by  DC CA$HVILLE, anymore.

Sorry about that.

Peace and more hair grease,

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
January 2, 2009 12:38 AM
 

Kappagem said:

Akaneon...

You're white, huh?

because I noticed the reply was mainly focused on "if you blame white people"...

But lemme take a step back...

Adope1 - I agree.  As much as I wanted to vote for McKinney and Clemente, I won't front and say I did.  I voted for Barack.  I knew who it was gonna come down to, and I couldn't take any chances as we had with the whole Bush/Gore debacle.  And on top of that, my voting for Barack was more about the PEOPLE than the man.  Here's the thing...

I think Barack is a good dude.  I think, deep down, he means well in all he does.  But I still have that inner conspirator (is that a word?) that tells me he's gonna mess around and end up in that small room with a few people who are gonna tell him how it's really gonna go down in office.

But here's the kicker...

I wanted him to get elected because I still believe in a "lesser" of two evils.  I believe him being elected might convince some people to, as Twon would say, "get off the dayum BOO BOO", an dget up get out and get something, ya digg?

I want people to look at him as a symbol of doing something about your means to make it better.  Inspiration, or something of that nature.

In regards to everything else, well, it will take a MAJOR overhaul in order to make that happen.  Probably something cataclysmic, or a major war, or something of that nature.  And even then, it would need to reach so many different places than just the US to make it happen.

I don't believe the Pres. can control all that happens in this society...it's a number of positions.  I'd say Hoover had more power in the 50's and 60's than any President...

But Barack will be held accountable, regardless...
January 2, 2009 12:47 AM
 

Kappagem said:

@Adope1 & VA - Thanx for comments on the Avi...you know how it goes down!!!

GOOD EVENING FRIENDS!  

WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR UR AZZ KICKED TONIGHT!

Man, Will's that guy.  I'ma go ahead and make a few calls and have him come perform here.  He a funny dude...

Now check out Yung D dayumit!!!

Greatest Rapper Alive...

Yung D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXYeZqbYWYM

Ya'll better recognize...


LMAO...
January 2, 2009 1:03 AM
 

Kappagem said:

@Sears...have you hit me with your email addy before???

darrell.perry@gmail.com
January 2, 2009 1:04 AM
 

adopefemalemc said:

Yo, Kap, I agree, for perception purposes, Barack needed to get elected.

I wrote an article bout that:
January 2, 2009 1:25 AM
 

Bhudda Flii said:

they startin' this shit again...

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A Muslim family removed from an airliner Thursday after passengers became concerned about their conversation say AirTran officials refused to rebook them, even after FBI investigators cleared them of wrongdoing.

Atif Irfan said federal authorities removed eight members of his extended family and a friend after passengers heard them discussing the safest place to sit and misconstrued the nature of the conversation.

While the plane was still at the gate, an FBI agent boarded the plane and asked Irfan and his wife to leave the plane. The rest of the family was removed 15 or 20 minutes later, along with a family friend, Abdul Aziz, a Library of Congress attorney and family friend who was coincidentally taking the same flight and had been seen talking to the family.

"We are proud Americans," Sahin said. "You know we decided to have our children and raise them here. We can very easily go anywhere we want in the world, but you know we love it here and we're not going to go away, no matter what."

Aziz said there is a "very strong possibility" he will pursue a civil rights lawsuit.

"I guess it's just a situation of guilt by association," Aziz said. "They see one Muslim talking to another Muslim and they automatically assume something wrong is going on."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/01/family.grounded/index.html

NO APOLOGY MADE AT ALL...

i am disgraced that i actually flew as a FA for these assholes.


January 2, 2009 1:28 AM
 

adopefemalemc said:

Perception.

I didn’t fully realize how Blacks perceived themselves until Nov. 4th, 2008.

And I won’t say I realize 100% now.

But I will say..

There is DEFINITELY an extra air of confidence, an extra pep in your step, an extra backdrop of optimism to life itself…
When u have a President who looks like you.

See, us Blacks have never had this before.  We thought we could only be Presidents of companies, record labels, etc.  
You were monumental if you nabbed a job at a Fortune 500 company.

President of the U.S.?  We weren’t taught to aim that high.  Matter fact, there was a time where if you seemed like you were instilling TOO much in the mind of a young Black boy or girl, you might find yourself on the receiving end of an upset mother and a tongue-lashing that went something like: “Now, don’t ‘chou go filling my boy’s head with these pipe dreams of being a President or some big time manager…”  Or astronaut.  Or ________.  You take your pick of greatness and insert it into that line.  Why set him up for failure?  He was a nigga.  He would always be a nigga.  

At the end of the day, that mother needed to protect her son’s mind, heart, and life.  It’s a dangerous world out there for a Black man who gets too “uppity” or full of himself.  He could make a grave mistake that would cost him his life.  In Richard Wright’s autobiography, Black Boy, he spoke of having to be trained by his friend to ‘stay outta white folks’ way.’  If you see one walking on the sidewalk, jump to the side and let him pass.  Keep your head down.  Always respond with sir.  Don’t object to anything he says.  Don’t appear to be happy.  Any violation of these codes would be deemed offensive by a white man and endangering to that Black man’s life.  Wright spoke of a drunk he overheard singing, “All these white folks dressed so fine, their assholes smell just like mine..”  The African-American psyche has sustained some substantial blows, and though it stands, existing, persevering, it bears it’s wounds.

Perception.

We have been called every name under the sun.  Nigger.  Coon.  Porch monkey.  Knuckle-dragger.  Sambo.  Jungle-bunny.  Shit-Skin.  Mud-Duck.  Jigga-Boo.  Wind Chimes.  Oh, you didn’t get that last one? That was to express how they hung us from trees.  Tar-Baby.  Pickaninny.  Are your shoulders slumping with each term you read?

It’s hard to perceive yourself as great or worthy when you’ve had stigmas weighing you down since before you could pronounce them.  Then we moved from Negro to Colored to Black, and then African-American.  We have struggled to settle on a term that best befits an ethnic group of people who had their culture, sense of self, family, dignity, identity, history, body, and life ripped away and replaced with someone else’s perception of us.

Leave the country and see how American you are.

Come back and see how Black you are.

I feel the same sense of being an outsider when I am in the home of my Nigerian friends as I do when I am in a room full of whites.  I don’t understand your language.  I don’t wear your traditional clothing. I don’t have an acquired taste for your food.  I don’t get all the jokes.  And I wasn’t born or raised in a village in Africa.  

Blacks have been taught to view Africans as savages.
Africans have been taught to view Blacks as savages, people without morals, culture, or principles.

Perception.

White folks have been holding out on us.  Keeping the secret ingredient to themselves.  Why they whistle so much.  Smile so much.  Have that extra pep in their step.  Of course, I’m just generalizing, but overall any Black person can tell you: White folks just seem so…Happy.

And now I think I know why.  Perception.  When the people in your country who are deemed important look like you, you naturally associate yourself with their greatness.  It’s as if without saying any words, someone told Whites that ‘You can be ANYTHING you want to be.’  From band-aid commercials, where the common band-aid color is “flesh-toned”, to everyday products, Whites have been on a national showcase.  From fairytales to the covers of magazines, there has been no boundary past their reach, no glass-ceiling in American society.  They have always been at the top of the food chain.  Pull yourself up by the bootstraps, that’s the American way.  

Nothing is impossible.

For Blacks, it was more like, DESPITE being Black in America, keep your chin up.  Aim high, EVEN THOUGH you’re Black.  Accepting defeat before we stepped into the ring.  Our taste buds have sampled bittersweet, at best, in this country.  
November 4, 2008, was a different kind of bittersweet.  The Grandmother that raised Barack Obama passed just one day before he became the first African-American President of the United States of America.  Had the election taken place November 3rd, she would have seen him attain the ultimate.  The “impossible.”  Bitter.

But at the same time?  Honey-sweet.  I felt the first breath of fresh air rush into my lungs and taste different in my palate, knowing that I, too, could be great.  I, too, could be ANYTHING I wanted to be.  And it tasted good…
History was made during my lifetime.  

For every little Black girl that had to watch fairytales and cartoons of beautiful women who looked nothing like them.  

For every Black girl that ever felt her skin was too dark..hair too nappy..hair too short..lips too big..nose too wide..  

For every Black girl who watched the standards of beauty set to women who did not look like her..and thought she was ugly or not special...  

For my Grandmother Hilda Rose Noel who, as a young girl, was told by a teacher that the most a Black woman could be was a secretary or maid.  How I wish she was here to see this..

This is bigger than the media..Hip-Hop..and entertainment industry..  

I get to tell my future daughter..  

and every lil Black girl within America's borders and beyond:  

Look, lil mama..  

The FIRST LADY of the country is a BLACK woman.  

U can be anything u put your mind to.

For my ancestors who marched and were beaten, murdered, and died for us...  

For every little Black boy who felt like he couldn't grow up to be anything of importance..  

..powerless in this country..  

..for African-American men who had to stand by and watch his woman be raped by a slavemaster..powerless..  

For young Black men struggling to find their place or purpose in this life..  

..for a young 14 year old boy who was brutally murdered for whistling at a white woman..whose "life wasn't worth a whistle"..  

For my strong Black men all over the world..  

I get to tell my future son..  

and little Black boys everywhere..  

Look, lil man:  

The PRESIDENT of our country is a BLACK MAN.  

U can be anything you put your mind to.

PERCEPTION.

Perception is a powerful thing.  It can affect the way you view yourself and move through the world, directly and indirectly affecting the lives of those you cross paths with.  On November 4, 2008, Barack Obama changed our perceptions: Others’ perception of us, our perception of others, but most importantly, our perceptions of ourselves. We have been called every name under the sun.  Except President of the United States.  On November 4th, our perceptions of our limits were dramatically altered.  Glass ceilings disintegrated.  Slumped shoulders straightened.  Seeds of pride and patriotism were planted.  Differences were reconciled.  Triumph was tangible.  Impossible was just a word.  And it became possible for mothers to switch to, “Now don’t ‘chou go filling my boy’s head with these hopes of being somebody’s employee..my baby’s gonna be President!”

On November 4th, Barack Obama showed us what perseverance, diligence, determination, faith, and the favor of those around us can bring: VICTORY.

Because he perceived and believed, we achieved the greatest feat of all.

If Barack Obama accomplishes nothing more, we will have still won.  Perception.  The divine right to see ourselves as great, relevant, and loved under the watchful eye of God.  Can we have that?  YES WE CAN!!!

By Keyanna Bean
http://www.myspace.com/keyannabean
January 2, 2009 1:29 AM
 

Bhudda Flii said:

hey dope... i been watching the yellowstone situation REAL close over the pass week or so. ain't really said nothing on the board to i got more solid proof of the happenings...

the geological survey is now seeing a rise which is taking up a quarter of the caldera area...

keep ya head up baby girl...

yellowstone supervolcano eruption...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOn3wkehluk

January 2, 2009 1:35 AM
 

JAH JAH said:

da Sexiest Brooklyn fEMcee that wouldnt sell out to a corrupt industry..
doin it indie style .. minus the New World order!
haha check out da video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWD-PjojDm0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWD-PjojDm0
January 2, 2009 1:36 AM
 

Kappagem said:

@Bhudda - They should have at least got an apology...


@Adope1 - Glad we see eye to eye.

@Jub - I meant to say you are 100% correct about Bush being w/Reagan and head of the CIA...

Of course, you already knew that...lol.  But I like how you sarcastically threw that out there:)

Man, the Bush family is SOOOOO dirty...

And f*cka Reagan...lol

Oh...one more thing...

Hitler was definitely smarter than Bush...but Hitler was borderline genious in regards to his IQ.  I know someone said something about Bush or Hitler or whatever earlier...

He just happened to be a psychopath too....
January 2, 2009 1:38 AM
 

Bhudda Flii said:

damn that last post was jacked up with the grammer dope! sorry, i'm crazy tired...

aiight ya'll i'm calling it a day... nite...
January 2, 2009 1:41 AM
 

Kappagem said:

Yo...

I'm over here watching Revenge Of The Nerds...

I forgot how good this movie was.  Dayum, I miss 80's movies.

These were the sh*t!!!
January 2, 2009 1:43 AM
 

Kappagem said:

Aye!

Real quick...

Adope1, Knowl, Killab, Streets, or anyone who does music...

How do you tell someone who is an artist that you think their shit sucks without hurtin' their feelings or getting into it?

I want to know so that this year I can start it off by letting people know their shit is wack to me without having to get IN to it, ya feel me?

The other day VA said something about we need to let our people know when they are spittin' some wack sh*t, kuz misleading them could be another reason Hip Hop is as messed up as it is...lol

I just looked at some music or video or something, and it was hella wack....lol

I'll leave it at that...

E-Thug '09
January 2, 2009 1:49 AM
 

Kappagem said:

Aye...Bhudda....

I've seen that somewhere before!  I forgot I saw that.  Like, when I actually lived out that way or something.  Or maybe it was while I was here, contemplating on going back?  either way...

Makes me second wanting to move to Cali:)  LOL!

I mean DAAAAAAAYYYYYUUUUUMMMMMMMM.

A MILLION X the power of an atomic bomb....ouch...
January 2, 2009 1:54 AM
 

Bhudda Flii said:

oh one last thing...

dope, loved your piece. perception is a mutha right?

whites may be ready to write their ultimate betrayal memoirs, tho.

this generated economic crisis is hitt'n the white folks the hardest in this early phase. see, they became so complacent with white entitlement that they didn't see this one coming! imo, the whole racial divide was no more than a suppression mechanism for white folks... they fell for it head first. ha.

just wait till the depression get deep.

now we all in the same boat. up shit creek without a paddle or life jacket to be found...
January 2, 2009 1:57 AM
 

Bhudda Flii said:

yah kapp... even mainstream media is finally putting out the word over the past week about the going ons over there. since dec 26 the earthquakes haven't let up at yellowstone. now they crazy worried...

you can watch what's going on here...

http://www.seis.utah.edu/helicorder/heli/yellowstone/index.html

http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/supervolcano/supervolcano.html

http://www.henrysforkcountry.com/atf.php?sid=198
January 2, 2009 2:03 AM
 

chocolate1 said:

Happy New Years fam...


Stay safe and B eazy




Choc1
January 2, 2009 2:05 AM
 

Bhudda Flii said:

nows the time to call on jesus people...

wow...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3b3_1230864719
January 2, 2009 2:15 AM
 

Kappagem said:


What I'm Watching...for all you young 'uns...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNVC8NXEHmI


This movie was funny as hell....

Few things to peep...

Right when it starts, the gay black dude dancing with the gay white dude...hella gay

Nerd puts on an negro spiritual w/out knowing he being hella racist assuming that's what they want to hear...

The niccah to the right at one point says, and I quote...
4:38s in....
"this some good sh*t!"...

lmao!

Just watch...party scene off the chain...
January 2, 2009 2:17 AM
 

Bhudda Flii said:

Bhudda Flii said:
nows the time to call on jesus people...

wow...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3b3_1230864719

-------------------

just a heads up on this for those with weak stomachs...

this vid is...

RAW (Graphic): Scene After IDF Attack In Gaza 1/1/09
January 2, 2009 2:19 AM
 

Kappagem said:

@Choc1

You gonna pay for poppin' in with yo fine azz avi, and then cuttin' out like that...lol

Happy New Year Mami!


Bhudda....I was going to bed about 40 mins ago....but you got me reading these sites about these Super Vulcano's now....

Dayum:)

Well, that, and switching back to these dayum Revenge of The Nerds....lol

Just nasty...
January 2, 2009 2:40 AM
 

Bhudda Flii said:

the eighties was gravy right?? remember that movie, the goonies? we had stand by me... animal house, revenge of the nerds (the full collection). oh it was so innocent then...

choc 1 - happy new year to you, too baby girl!!

she's beautiful, isn't she kapp??

ok... i'm gone....
January 2, 2009 2:44 AM
 

Kappagem said:

@Bhudda....And You know this!

We had some dope azz movies in the 80's!

The Last Dragon
Breakin
Ghostbusters
Terminator
Ferris Bueller's Day Off (I dvr'd that last night:)
Weird Science
Fast Times At Ridgemont High
ET
Back To The Future
Indiana Jones
Blade Runner
Pee Wee's Big Adventure
48 HRS
Airplane!
Children of The Corn
Action Jackson
LaBamba
Beetle Juice
Beverly Hills Cop
Purple Rain
Caddyshack
Dirty Dancing
Howard The Duck
The Color Purple
Goonies
School Daze (my boy was in this)
Lean On Me
Die Hard
Escape From New York
Fatal Attraction
Rambo
Heartbreak Ridge
Flash Dance
Hellraiser
Friday the 13th
Glory
Flash Gordon
Gremlins
Iron Eagle
Hoosiers
I'm Gonna Git You Sucka
Mad Max
Major League
Masters Of The Universe (who remembers that!  LOL...)
The Outsiders
Platoon
Rain Man
Sex, Lies, and Videotape
Poltergeist
Scarface

Man....go check some of those folks:)

And let's not start talkin' bout music...I mean...

whew...

I'm gone...good night:)
January 2, 2009 3:10 AM
 

jubilee.shine said:

but if you think about it, Harriet Tubman didnt allow the weak to slow her movement.  She loved them just the same, but she was willing to leave they asses behind if necessary.
--------

harriet tubman would shoot them if necessary
January 2, 2009 3:23 AM
 

jubilee.shine said:

SEARS TOWER said:
YO HP
What you think about black folks starting their own party?
---------


Gary Declaration, National Black Political Convention, 1972
Gary, Indiana
Amiri Baraka, Co-Chair

THE BLACK AGENDA

The Gary Declaration: Black Politics at the Crossroads

Introduction

The Black Agenda is addressed primarily to Black people in America. It rises naturally out of the bloody decades and centuries of our people's struggle on these shores. It flows from the most recent surgings of our own cultural and political consciousness. It is our attempt to define some of the essential changes which must take place in this land as we and our children move to self-determination and true independence.

The Black Agenda assumes that no truly basic change for our benefit takes place in Black or white America unless we Black people organize to initiate that change. It assumes that we must have some essential agreement on overall goals, even though we may differ on many specific strategies.

Therefore, this is an initial statement of goals and directions for our own generation, some first definitions of crucial issues around which Black people must organize and move in 1972 and beyond. Anyone who claims to be serious about the survival and liberation of Black people must be serious about the implementation of the Black Agenda.

What Time Is It?

We come to Gary in an hour of great crisis and tremendous promise for Black America. While the white nation hovers on the brink of chaos, while its politicians offer no hope of real change, we stand on the edge of history and are faced with an amazing and frightening choice: We may choose in 1972 to slip back into the decadent white politics of American life, or we may press forward, moving relentlessly from Gary to the creation of our own Black life. The choice is large, but the time is very short.

Let there be no mistake. We come to Gary in a time of unrelieved crisis for our people. From every rural community in Alabama to the high-rise compounds of Chicago, we bring to this Convention the agonies of the masses of our people. From the sprawling Black cities of Watts and Nairobi in the West to the decay of Harlem and Roxbury in the East, the testimony we bear is the same. We are the witnesses to social disaster.

Our cities are crime-haunted dying grounds. Huge sectors of our youth -- and countless others -- face permanent unemployment. Those of us who work find our paychecks able to purchase less and less. Neither the courts nor the prisons contribute to anything resembling justice or reformation. The schools are unable -- or unwilling -- to educate our children for the real world of our struggles. Meanwhile, the officially approved epidemic of drugs threatens to wipe out the minds and strength of our best young warriors.

Economic, cultural, and spiritual depression stalk Black America, and the price for survival often appears to be more than we are able to pay. On every side, in every area of our lives, the American institutions in which we have placed our trust are unable to cope with the crises they have created by their single-minded dedication to profits for some and white supremacy above all.

Beyond These Shores

And beyond these shores there is more of the same. For while we are pressed down under all the dying weight of a bloated, inwardly decaying white civilization, many of our brothers in Africa and the rest of the Third World have fallen prey to the same powers of exploitation and deceit. Wherever America faces the unorganized, politically powerless forces of the non-white world, its goal is domination by any means necessary -- as if to hide from itself the crumbling of its own systems of life and work.

But Americans cannot hide. They can run to China and the moon and to the edges of consciousness, but they cannot hide. The crises we face as Black people are the crises of the entire society. They go deep, to the very bones and marrow, to the essential nature of America's economic, political, and cultural systems. They are the natural end-product of a society built on the twin foundations of white racism and white capitalism.

So, let it be clear to us now: The desperation of our people, the agonies of our cities, the desolation of our countryside, the pollution of the air and the water -- these things will not be significantly affected by new faces in the old places in Washington D.C. This is the truth we must face here in Gary if we are to join our people everywhere in the movement forward toward liberation.

White Realities, Black Choice
A Black political convention, indeed all truly Black politics must begin from this truth: The American system does not work for the masses of our people, and it cannot be made to work without radical fundamental change. (Indeed this system does not really work in favor of the humanity of anyone in America.)

In light of such realities, we come to Gary and are confronted with a choice. Will we believe the truth that history presses into our face -- or will we, too, try to hide? Will the small favors some of us have received blind us to the larger sufferings of our people, or open our eyes to the testimony of our history in America?

For more than a century we have followed the path of political dependence on white men and their systems. From the Liberty Party in the decades before the Civil War to the Republican Party of Abraham Lincoln, we trusted in white men and white politics as our deliverers. Sixty years ago, W.E.B. DuBois said he would give the Democrats their "last chance" to prove their sincere commitment to equality for Black people -- and he was given white riots and official segregation in peace and in war.

Nevertheless, some twenty years later we became Democrats in the name of Franklin Roosevelt, then supported his successor Harry Truman, and even tried a "non-partisan" Republican General of the Army named Eisenhower. We were wooed like many others by the superficial liberalism of John F. Kennedy and the make-believe populism of Lyndon Johnson. Let there be no more of that.

Both Parties Have Betrayed Us

Here at Gary, let us never forget that while the times and the names and the parties have continually changed, one truth has faced us insistently, never changing: Both parties have betrayed us whenever their interests conflicted with ours (which was most of the time), and whenever our forces were unorganized and dependent, quiescent and compliant. Nor should this be surprising, for by now we must know that the American political system, like all other white institutions in America, was designed to operate for the benefit of the white race: It was never meant to do anything else.

That is the truth that we must face at Gary. If white "liberalism" could have solved our problems, then Lincoln and Roosevelt and Kennedy would have done so. But they did not solve ours nor the rest of the nation's. If America's problems could have been solved by forceful, politically skilled and aggressive individuals, then Lyndon Johnson would have retained the presidency. If the true "American Way" of unbridled monopoly capitalism, combined with a ruthless military imperialism could do it, then Nixon would not be running around the world, or making speeches comparing his nation's decadence to that of Greece and Rome.

If we have never faced it before, let us face it at Gary. The profound crisis of Black people and the disaster of America are not simply caused by men nor will they be solved by men alone. These crises are the crises of basically flawed economics and politics, and or cultural degradation. None of the Democratic candidates and none of the Republican candidates -- regardless of their vague promises to us or to their white constituencies -- can solve our problems or the problems of this country without radically changing the systems by which it operates.

The Politics of Social Transformation

So we come to Gary confronted with a choice. But it is not the old convention question of which candidate shall we support, the pointless question of who is to preside over a decaying and unsalvageable system. No, if we come to Gary out of the realities of the Black communities of this land, then the only real choice for us is whether or not we will live by the truth we know, whether we will move to organize independently, move to struggle for fundamental transformation, for the creation of new directions, towards a concern for the life and the meaning of Man. Social transformation or social destruction, those are our only real choices.

If we have come to Gary on behalf of our people in America, in the rest of this hemisphere, and in the Homeland -- if we have come for our own best ambitions -- then a new Black Politics must come to birth. If we are serious, the Black Politics of Gary must accept major responsibility for creating both the atmosphere and the program for fundamental, far-ranging change in America. Such responsibility is ours because it is our people who are most deeply hurt and ravaged by the present systems of society. That responsibility for leading the change is ours because we live in a society where few other men really believe in the responsibility of a truly human society for anyone anywhere.

We Are The Vanguard

The challenge is thrown to us here in Gary. It is the challenge to consolidate and organize our own Black role as the vanguard in the struggle for a new society. To accept that challenge is to move independent Black politics. There can be no equivocation on that issue. History leaves us no other choice. White politics has not and cannot bring the changes we need.

We come to Gary and are faced with a challenge. The challenge is to transform ourselves from favor-seeking vassals and loud-talking, "militant" pawns, and to take up the role that the organized masses of our people have attempted to play ever since we came to these shores. That of harbingers of true justice and humanity, leaders in the struggle for liberation.

A major part of the challenge we must accept is that of redefining the functions and operations of all levels of American government, for the existing governing structures -- from Washington to the smallest county -- are obsolescent. That is part of the reason why nothing works and why corruption rages throughout public life. For white politics seeks not to serve but to dominate and manipulate.

We will have joined the true movement of history if at Gary we grasp the opportunity to press Man forward as the first consideration of politics. Here at Gary we are faithful to the best hopes of our fathers and our people if we move for nothing less than a politics which places community before individualism, love before sexual exploitation, a living environment before profits, peace before war, justice before unjust "order", and morality before expediency.

This is the society we need, but we delude ourselves here at Gary if we think that change can be achieved without organizing the power, the determined national Black power, which is necessary to insist upon such change, to create such change, to seize change.

Towards A Black Agenda

So when we turn to a Black Agenda for the seventies, we move in the truth of history, in the reality of the moment. We move recognizing that no one else is going to represent our interests but ourselves. The society we seek cannot come unless Black people organize to advance its coming. We lift up a Black Agenda recognizing that white America moves towards the abyss created by its own racist arrogance, misplaced priorities, rampant materialism, and ethical bankruptcy. Therefore, we are certain that the Agenda we now press for in Gary is not only for the future of Black humanity, but is probably the only way the rest of America can save itself from the harvest of its criminal past.

So, Brothers and Sisters of our developing Black nation, we now stand at Gary as people whose time has come. From every corner of Black America, from all liberation movements of the Third World, from the graves of our fathers and the coming world of our children, we are faced with a challenge and a call:

Though the moment is perilous we must not despair. We must seize the time, for the time is ours.

We begin here and how in Gary. We begin with an independent Black political movement, an independent Black Political Agenda, and independent Black spirit. Nothing less will do. We must build for our people. We must build for our world. We stand on the edge of history. We cannot turn back.


Sources:
"The National Black Political Agenda," in Komozi Woodard, Randolph Boehm, Daniel Lewis, ed., The Black Power Movement, Part 1: Amiri Baraka from Black Arts to Black Radicalism (Bethesda, Maryland: University Publications of America, 2000), microfilm, reel 3.
January 2, 2009 3:30 AM
 

jubilee.shine said:

NATIONTIME, GARY
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The only film record of the historic First National Black Political Convention held in Gary, Indiana, in 1972. Features Jesse Jackson, Dick Gregory, Coretta Scott King, Richard Hatcher, Amiri Baraka, Congressman Charles Diggs, and many political leaders, artists and activists representing a broad spectrum of political thought. This is a one hour re-edited version of the original 90 minute film. Narrated by Sidney Poitier and Harry Belafonte.
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January 2, 2009 3:32 AM
 

jubilee.shine said:

January 2, 2009 3:44 AM
 

jubilee.shine said:

January 2, 2009 3:46 AM
 

johny brubacker said:

I can see illseeds logic in this but next he'll be doing a soulja boy and thanking the slavemasters...

why not thank the jews for killing jesus and thus marking his place in history....

anyway happy new year to all
January 2, 2009 5:17 AM
 

Im Like God To You Niggas said:

LOL I can see Illseed thanking the slavemasters, right after he's done thanking Jim Crow, Lee Harvey Oswald, and his rumoured next person of the year Adolf Hitler
January 2, 2009 6:50 AM
 

johny brubacker said:

LOL, Jim Crow and Hitler, who else

the white dude that told rosa parks to get up off her seat...
January 2, 2009 8:01 AM
 

Haughville said:

ILLSEED'S BEEN READING HIHATERS.NET AGAIN! IF U POST AN ARTICLE ON HIHATERS YOU TOO CAN HAVE ILLSEED AS YOUR NUMBER ONE STAN....OOOPS, MY BAD I MEAN NUMBER ONE FAN.

http://www.hihaters.net/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=62:bush-shoe-throwing&catid=38:hot-topics&Itemid=50">http://www.hihaters.net/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=62:bush-shoe-throwing&catid=38:hot-topics&Itemid=50

if you see a hater point'em out!
this nigga illseed is lookin' mighty fuckin' familiar!
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January 2, 2009 9:16 AM
 

Knowl said:

MissDallasTx214 said:
@ Knowl that's wassup, I watched the countdown in Times Square on t.v. and it looked like it was cold as hell, lol, Im glad I didn't go. Hope everyone had a happy and safe new years!
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I did it once in '94 and will never do that again. That's for the Tourist anyway. New Years tends to be cold as shit here in the Apple. Glad you spent it safely.
January 2, 2009 9:22 AM
 

workn4betterday said:

Akaneon1 said:

If Obama really meant change, why does he wear a suit and a tie?

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This has to be failed sarcasm...but anyway good read Ill...I mean Bush legacy will be forever tarnished, the ironic thing is there is still more to come out...I can only imagine how many book deals is going to come out of this administration...
January 2, 2009 12:57 PM
 

Conducta said:

So long GWB! You were such a f**K up it wasn't even funny anymore!
January 2, 2009 2:26 PM
 

sep2000 said:

you made some good points.  i don't think bush was 100% aware of everything that was going down during his eight year run!  
January 2, 2009 4:10 PM
 

Bill_Blass74! said:

Honestly...Bush don't give a fuck. He's from a wealthy family, plus the money he'll get from interviews, public speaking,etc.

No matter how many jokes we crack or say fuck Bush..he's paid and can care less about us niggas as well as the American people. Just gotta take the L and wait for CHANGE Obama tells us.
January 2, 2009 4:51 PM
 

Haughville said:

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January 2, 2009 8:16 PM
 

CertifiedLuver said:

He Did His Damage i guess some good As Well



























Someone gotta take the blame thats how the system works bush being president was just a setup. open your mind close your ears
January 2, 2009 11:19 PM
 

cocacolaclassic said:

the president doesnt really affect peoples day to day to life. whether its someone you like or someone you dont. And besides every politician campaigns to WIN and once they do, they change. And the only change we'll see is the difference between Obama's words and his policies...
January 3, 2009 11:59 AM
 

zinumh5 said:

Well there is no shortage of disillusion here, no one will prob. read this but i felt compeled to say something as if it was my civic duty:
1) Bush was not a good president- but it was not as cut and dry as some may think. First, history books will be much more kind to Bush as economical disasters normally lose there significance over time. Secondly Clinton's term had a great deal of impact on the climate today, things like the free trade act with china, and SEVERAL major national security issues.
2) Obama is not MLK Mother Teresa or Norman Borlaug. He is a politician, not terribly different from the rest. He pushes his parties intrest just as anyone else.

In closing keep in mind that Obama has done nothing yet to recieve this unconditional adulation he has been the subject of. And to be honest this hitler-esque love affair some people have for a man whose actions we have yet seen is a frightening thing.

Not saying Obama=Carter (God forbid) or Obama=Clinton( better than the prior but still not great) but he is more equal to them than MLK remember that
January 3, 2009 1:14 PM
 

Smitty Black said:

no one ever heard of the congress huh? he couldnt do it alone either.
January 3, 2009 2:14 PM
 

2pacsoldier5084 said:

Truthseeker is correct.....Bush made things so bad, America said, "A nigga can't be that bad. White men have messed up so bad, let's elect the black guy".
January 4, 2009 12:59 AM
 

Im_Lux said:

you know what man i gotta say...some people are putting sooooooooo much expectations into this change thing when we probably won't be seeing much results during his first term anyhow.  honestly people are acting like this change is gonna come right away...it doesn't work that way it takes years to undo a lot of what bush and past presidents have ruined before you see any results.  I just don't want anyone to be expecting the impossible from obama and thinking that he failed or didn't live up to the expectations that they've had of him.  also PLEASE stop comparing him to MLK or any other activists or what not because honestly the dude hasn't even been sworn in...leave the comparisons to his last term PLEASE...honestly and i'm happy he got in myself BUT honestly truely honestly we don'nt know if he's going to fk up or not quite yet he hasn't moved into the white house just yet.  give the man some breathing room and let him work some kinks out before you guys start expecting great things...let him get out the mediocre before he goes after the great during his presidency but support him as much as possible...he can't do it alone just like bush himself didn't fk the country up alone takes more people than just one to do anything that big. sorry i'm rambling...i've been drinking
January 4, 2009 2:34 AM
 

lac515 said:

January 4, 2009 3:44 PM
 

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January 4, 2009 8:47 PM
 

theillseed said:

 
zinumh5 said:

i got what you sayn...but what do you say abt inspiration and intangibles such as a child seeing the possibilities?

thats what i see in obama. i talk plenty about the gov to know whats REALLY going on.
January 4, 2009 11:25 PM
 

micromark said:

You know I turn on the TV and all the political channels and watch these Washington cats and all I can say is.........what a bunch of FAKE ass motherfuckers, they don't even look real anymore, they don't act real.  They studder every 2 fucken seconds they speak, like they're afraid of messing up or they're afraid someone is gonna realize that they're full of shit.  Well I guess I did.  I saw todays flame wars on here about Reagen and shit, alot of good points from everybody, but know this, lot of the so called FACTS your getting are facts, but they are to cover up what the real truth is and agenda by the real powers that be, not the President.  It's all misinformation "they" actually put on the internet, they mix bs with truth so that they have you guys going in circles for hours about who's actually right, and it works sadly(smh)

1 stop drugs completely(crack, weed, coke, etc) and watch this U.S. government fall apart because they won't be able to collect fines from people doing it.

2In my opinion, the President is the front man, I agree with the a dude, that normal people like us would change the world for good, because we would be pulling our own strings, and since we all have different views that are actually good, we could appoint ourselves cabin posistions and actually carry them out

3 to continue with number 2) wipe out those fucken roaches in the Senate and House who are the real DESTROYERS of this country, with their fucken lobbyists and vote rigging groups, and companies like AIG spending $400,000 of our tax dollars to take secret vacations, and get messages and spas for their old wrinkled, red balls.  If there is a Hell, they'll get a first class ticket to it, just like everything else they get.  

4) Are we not witnessing a Sellout of America, with car companies and other buisnesses coming to the Gov trying to get bailouts?   Bush is not even sending out the first $700b dollar package he originally signed for those corrupt banks.  And then supposedly there's another bailout coming, what a mess.

5 Debt: We are over 9 Trillion dollars in debt, God Help us.

6 Bill Richardson just resigned from Obama's posistion that he gave him because of his own mess that the Fed's are going after him for, this just doesn't look good.

7 One last thing........I'm going to make a prediction......after some time in Obama's first term, he is gonna get a visit from the Pope, I find this weird being that he is Christian, or Muslim, or both? well apparently this happends to all Presidents, or maybe not, but anyway.......when he visits him, this is not going to be a fireside chit-chat with marshmellows, the Pope is going to go in there, sit down, sit him down, and he will give Obama orders, not Obama giving him orders.  And he will not say anything, he will do whatever he's told, and then the Pope will leave, and that will be the end of that, just my opinion:)
Peace-MM
January 5, 2009 1:20 AM
 

zinumh5 said:

 theillseed said:
 
zinumh5 said:

i got what you sayn...but what do you say abt inspiration and intangibles such as a child seeing the possibilities?

thats what i see in obama. i talk plenty about the gov to know whats REALLY going on.
January 4, 2009 11:25 PM  

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I can agree with that, and doing so as not quite a republican, but a definate conservative. Obama has ignited not only a race of people but generations that had little to no prior interest and that is an AMAZING THING. Let's just not induct him into the political hall of fame until his accomplishments go beyond that
January 5, 2009 1:38 AM
 

lac515 said:

January 6, 2009 12:28 PM
 

Killuminati 187 said:

Bush and his daddy are gonna burn in Hell, no doubt about it.  Real talk.
January 7, 2009 4:53 PM
 

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