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Published Friday, October 10, 2008 6:56 AM
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By illseed

DISCLAIMER:


All content within this section is pure rumor and generally have no factual info outside of what the streets have whispered in our ear. Read on.


TODAY'S RUMORS!


THE RUMOR RECESSION CONTINUES!


I don't know what I am supposed to do in this rumor recession. How can you help get us out of this mess! First, don't forget to read yesterday's rumors. Second, email me any tips you might have - ahhrumors@gmail.com. This doesn't mean MP3s or other requests. You can also get me at twitter.com/illseed (I don't love it, but its there like myspace). Thirdly, you can just believe in me! Lastly, Keep reading! Thanks and here we go.


THE GOVERNMENT’S GONNA COME KNOCKING


I KNEW this was going to happen, but I didn’t want to say anything yesterday. Rumor has it, when poppa Baby gave son Lil Wayne a cool milli for his birthday, it may have raised the ire of certain government factions – THE IRS. Certainly, this remains the stuff rumors are made of, but they might want to take a sizable chunk out of that million and give it to Uncle Sam. You know Sam is a pimp and a pimp gets that money. Anyway…time will tell, but I am sure they are handling their business the right way.


USHER AND TOMEKA ARE TOGETHER STILL


I have some insider info that should put those rumors of separation to bed. Usher and Tameka are not separated. As a matter of fact, according to my intel, Tameka came into Usher's ENT doctor's office on Wednesday and picked up his prescription. As I understand she was very snobbish and nasty. But they are together.


On top of everything else, Tomeka told Essence.com, "My husband is a consummate artist and entertainer. This video is strictly entertainment and was made for his fans. I am clear that he is a sexy man and looks amazing in this clip. I support my husband in his endeavors."


She got this!


JANET JACKSON…WHAT’S REALLY GOING ON?


I was all set to see the Nasty girl play and look what I got! Actually, somebody I know sent this to me. Still, I heard Janet is fine and totally not preggers.


Please be advised that due to illness, the Janet Jackson concert


performance scheduled for October 16, 2008 at Madison Square Garden

has been rescheduled.

The new date for this concert is Saturday, November 1, 2008 at 8:00 p.m.

All tickets marked Thursday, October 16, 2008 will be honored on

Saturday, November 1, 2008.

If you are unable to attend this show on November 1, 2008, please

return to your point of purchase for a full refund.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you and look

forward to your continued patronage of Madison Square Garden.


Sincerely,


Madison Square Garden


TRAVIS BARKER SPEAKS


US Weekly magazine talks to Travis Barker after his tragic plane crash with DJ AM and others who died.


"I am doing the best I possibly can be. I'm so anxious to get out of here. I've just been in surgery after surgery. I have third degree burns basically from my feet up to my waist and both hands. One of my hands was second degree burns and one third degree burns. I'm trying to have a quick recovery and play the drums again and be able to hold my kids again."


"I hate planes. My biggest fear ever is to be involved in a plane crash. I sit here and I read books and watch TV. I think if this surgery went well, I'll be here at most two weeks."


YA BOY – INJURED?


IF you were at the AllHipHop Breeding Ground, you got the pleasure of seeing Ya Boy, the rapper from Cali, spitting crazy from the stage. I heard he was involved in a motorcycle accident of some sort. Rumor has it, he is or was was in the hospital. I heard he was hurt quite back and is unable to walk. He’s not handicapped or paralyzed though so that’s good to know. Here is his new video for those of you not familiar.



JAP CITY…GOES BERSERK


Jap City is one of the craziest rappers out there. If you don’t know, he basically bars none on the rap side. I do have so say, I cannot advocate dissin quote a few of the people in this video! So, while I really get a kick out of what they do, I have to say, they dissing cats I like. So, keep me out of it and check out “N***as With Purses” by Jap City.



RICK ROSS – DID HE OR DIDN’T HE ADMIT?


There has been a lot of chit-chat about Rick Ross admitting to being a C.O. That started with a couple of rap sites that charged the Don Diva magazine had gotten this “confession” out of Ross.


I jumped on that bandwagon for a sec, but now realize that there may have been an error and cats didn’t verify. Check this out.



JOE BUDDEN AND HIS SUPER DOPE MAN SCARF!


T.M.I. , Joe!!!



NAS, THE GAME, CHRIS BROWN – “THE WORLD GO ROUND”


The sound is a bit off, but u will get the point.



ILLSEED’S QUICKIES


Rev. Al Sharpton was been convicted of disorderly conduct after taking part in a protest rally for Sean Bell, a man murdered by the police. You know, they got off and somehow Al got convicted. SMH.


I’m hearing Brandy's wig has been pushed back. Human , her new CD, will come out around X-Mas time now…speaking of Brandy, AllHipHop has a fantastic interview with her. Click here for Part 1 (the industry, the new sound and the album) and here for Part 2 (Brandy Raps and Talks About a Reunion with Monica).


This dude claims to know all the gay people in the whole music and sports game..and he names names! Click here.


The Black Eyed Peas next album is called The E.N.D. Are they trying to tell us something?


Allen Iverson welcomed a baby girl – congrats!


Rakim and DJ Quik recently were found performing in New York City.


I’m sorry everybody! Click here for the Kanye West “Love Lockdown” remix article. They beat me to it!


RANDOM QUOTES


John Stewart of “The Daily Show” explains why he’s slightly biased:


"Neither of them is perfect, but if you, out of nowhere, are going to grab a woman out of the woods and make her your vice presidential candidate, what can I do?


VLAD TALKS TO 40 GLOCC


40 is taking this all the way to the bank. I’m glad I’m not representing any color, but Black. Sheesh…


Part 1



Part 2


JAY-Z DISSED TUPAC?


Check out this old song Jay did with Sauce money. Its called “Dead or Alive.” They are saying that this might be a diss of Tupac.



This clears things up a bit, so it seems like he’s not dissing, but still. It seems fishy. Listen to Jay-Z’s second verse. Nevertheless, he admits to taking a shot, but says “Love is love.”



SIGNS THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END


LMAO. They shoulda never gave you rednecks internet! At least, that dude on the left was smart enough to put his hand up.




Click here for the Part 2 of “Signs the World Is Coming to an End.” That’s right, Marital Law is coming to a town near you.



Part 3 – A lot of very smart people get together and decide Obama is a terrorist. WOW!


BUSTA IS GETTING ARAB MONEY…AND PRESS!!


Check this out! Busta Rhymes, John Monopoly and DJ Green Lantern are out in Dubai getting it in! Not sure how this will play out in this climate. (see above)



I wonder if this is authentic or part of the marketing push? Either way, its classic!


EPIC FAIL OF THE DAY


Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Let me tell you…if you weren’t around in the days of Jerry Springer – the real Springer – you don’t know what you are missing. He was off the CHAIN. Every day was like an Epic Fail with new people. Check out this one though – a midget fight where there is one clear failure.



EPIC FAIL OF THE DAY 2


I’m sorry. This is turning into the Epic Fail /Signs The World Is Ending Page…but it is what it is. Peep this dude sing Beyonce’s “If I Were A Boy,” but he flips it to…”If I Were A Girl.” Ok…playa…you..flipped the script…on everybody.



FIRST WE’LL DRINK TEA…AND THEN WE’LL FIGHT


Check out this insane gang war with two Russian gangs! Now, this is a FIGHT! I would definitely take a bathroom break right befor this popped off. “Excuse me, I have to wee wee, guys. I’m coming right back to get it on!”




JOHN BROWN – “SARAH PALIN”


Somehow this dude managed to get our attention. LOL. Check it out…


 


RUSSIAN GANGS, WE LOVE YOU!


They keep us talking, but if we stop talking about them then they should worry!

-illseed

WHO: illseed.com
WHAT: Rumors
WHERE: AllHipHop.com, MySpace.com/TheIllseed
HOW: Send your rumors and ill pics to illseed at ahhrumors@gmail.com.

- allhiphop rumors


Comments

 

MaryJanesHusband said:

Once again it's on
October 10, 2008 6:58 AM
 

MaryJanesHusband said:

Fucked around and gotta triple double
October 10, 2008 6:59 AM
 

Greenishere said:

Top five
October 10, 2008 7:04 AM
 

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October 10, 2008 7:05 AM
 

DJ TEKNISION said:

TGIF AHH FAM!!!

I TELL YOU ONE THING REDNECKS AREN'T THE ONLY ONES THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE INTERNET, SOME OF MY OWN PEOPLE NEED TO BE DENIED WITH ALL THESE GANGSTA ON VIDEOS BEEFIN...

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October 10, 2008 7:07 AM
 

Str8_2_tha_bank said:

T-G-I-F.............. WE ARE IN A RECESSION.... LETS GET THIS MONEY TODAY!!!!!!!!!
October 10, 2008 7:19 AM
 

MaryJanesHusband said:

That lil midget didn't have a chance he got the arms of McCain  and rickets to boot.

Maaannnn...them rednecks are something else. Hopefully they won't be able to find their way to voting booths. Matter of fact they should just have their voting rights taken away I think that woman could be classified as legally retarded.

If those are two Russian gangs they ain't drinkin tea before a fight their drinkin vodka.
October 10, 2008 7:23 AM
 

DOC JAM said:

congrats to AI...

What happened to that album that Quik'nem was supposed to come out with a good minute ago? They had a video and all that shit.
October 10, 2008 7:26 AM
 

Greenishere said:

@illseed
I hope you've got some more later.
October 10, 2008 7:29 AM
 

Str8_2_tha_bank said:

MAN FUC ROSS.... THAT NIGGA GOT IT CONFUSED, HE DOESN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TELLING THE TRUTH AND SNITCHING.... WHATA DICK HEAD AND I'D SAY IT TO HIS FACE..... MY HEART PUMPS NO KOOLAID! NIGGA JUST TELL THE TRUTH, WE DON'T GIVE A FUC WHAT YOU WERE...... OH I GET IT, HE FIGURES IF HE TELLS THE TRUTH THAN HES SNITCHING ON HIMSELF... STUPID NIGGA, THAT BUYS STUPID SHIT AND IS STR8 IGNORANT TO THE 3RD DEGREE.... I GIVE THAT NIGGA 2 MORE ALBUMS THE MAX AND HIS STUPID ASS IS DONE! LIKE THEY SAY..... REAL NIGGAS DO REAL THINGS, WELL
I GUESS STUPID NIGGAS LIKE OFFICER ROSS SAY AND DO STUPID THINGS!!! DUMB FUC NIGGA....... I'D PUNCH THAT NIGGA IN HIS FACE JUST FOR LIVING!!! JUST BECAUSE HE STUPID, JUST STUPID AND LIES OVER THE DUMBEST SHIT........ KEEP CUFFIN EM ROSS! U STUPID MUVAFUCCA!!!!
CHERRRRCH!
October 10, 2008 7:29 AM
 

touchmybody said:

that russian gang video aint working for me :(
October 10, 2008 7:34 AM
 

Davy da prince said:

@Illy
         Hope these aint all the rumours 4 2day.
October 10, 2008 7:49 AM
 

DaddyFatSaks said:

-The IRS always gets their money

-Those damn man purses have to go. DEATH TO THE MURSE!!!!

-Yo ill put that video wit joes chick back up

-How the rev. go to jail but them cops didnt. That dont make no sense

-I needed those video this mornin. People are just hilarious
October 10, 2008 7:51 AM
 

DJ TEKNISION said:

WHO THE HELL IS JAP CITY?  HE TALKIN BOUT DUDES WITH BAGS HE PROBABLY THE GAYEST DUDE IN THE WORLD.  IT'S ALWAYS THE ONES THAT DO ALL THE TALKIN THAT'S THE PRIME SUSPECT...LOL

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October 10, 2008 7:51 AM
 

touchmybody said:

oh ok, the russian fight vid worked...i dont really see much fighting, just a bunch of white people running around
October 10, 2008 7:52 AM
 

alski said:

RESPECT THEM RUSSIAN CATS, NOBODY HAD GUNS LIKE THE IDIOTS OVER HERE...ILLSEED YOU GOING TO HELL FOR THAT MIDGET SHIT, YO I WAS LAUGHING SO MUCH MY STOMACH START HURTING...
October 10, 2008 7:53 AM
 

alski said:

RESPECT THEM RUSSIAN CATS, NOBODY HAD GUNS LIKE THE IDIOTS OVER HERE...ILLSEED YOU GOING TO HELL FOR THAT MIDGET SHIT, YO I WAS LAUGHING SO MUCH MY STOMACH START HURTING...
October 10, 2008 7:53 AM
 

Mightydog said:

AI's wife is gonna keep doin the Kim Porter and keep pushing out babies while he fucks the world & all these hoes put him in their books. Damn girl I know its hard to walk away from millions of $$ and a comfortable lifestyle. Maybe when she's in her 40s or 50s she'll say enough is enough like Nicole Murphy & Juanita Jordan.
October 10, 2008 7:54 AM
 

FLOWVERINE said:

BWAHAHAHAAHA@JAPCITY IS A MUTHFUCKIN FOOOOOOO! THATS GOOD TRAVIS IS GETTIN BETTER!........... THAT GANG FIGHT IN RUSSIA WEAKKKKKKKKKK AS SHIT! BUT CAN U IMAGINE IF ALL THE PEOPLE DID THAT TO OUR GOVERMENT AKA DEVILMENT! WE CAN RUN THIS MF! WELL THAT WONT HAPPEN...THEM REDNECKS CAN KISS MY BEIGE ASS! AND B4 I GO LMAO@JOHN BROWN VID!I SEE PALIN WINKIN AT MFS GOT THESE HONKEYS WILD UP! LMAOOO THESE SUCKAHS!
October 10, 2008 7:57 AM
 

Water Ur Seeds said:

JAY HAS TAKEN A FEW SHOTS AT PAC... LOOK ON TUBE IVE HERD A QUITE A FEW

WE ALL KNOW ROSS WAS A C.O, WHATS THE BIG DEAL, I STILL FINK HE SHOT WHITE, I LIKE HIS TUNES ANYWAY REALY

IRS ARE CUNTS, IF U GET A BIRTHDAY CARD WITH A 20 IN IT THEY STILL WANNA PIECE THEN??? BASTIDOS


October 10, 2008 8:08 AM
 

chocolaterain said:

Youre just hearin Jay-Zs "Dead or Alive" now? damn your maaad late illseed

anyway that track just shows you that Jay-Z WAS NOT hanging on 2Pacs level in 96. Makaveli was straight bombing on these cats like Vietnam and they could only respond with medicocre tracks.

these dudes Biggie n Jay were not on 2Pacs level at the time. real talk
October 10, 2008 8:08 AM
 

Hoodgrown said:

JAY-Z DISSED TUPAC? - Yes.. this song had came out not too long after Pac's death. I had been telling people that was a slightly veiled diss at Tupac. I think Jay-Z had some heat in the oven for son but fell back with this shit when Pac died.....



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October 10, 2008 8:09 AM
 

Hoodgrown said:

"these dudes Biggie n Jay were not on 2Pacs level at the time. real talk"

You crazy son! That's the time when Jay was at his rawest... "Friend or Foe".. "22's"... when the nigga was hungry. I say Pac was a good rapper... he made you feel what he was saying but he wasn't the greatest emcee... there's a difference...

the battle would have been a great one...


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Download; Tony Yayo - S.O.D.
Download; The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready To Die OG Edition
Download: The Game - Black Wallstreet Radio 5
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Download: Jadakiss - Audio Heroin
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October 10, 2008 8:12 AM
 

Hoodgrown said:

as a matter of fact Biggie was at his rawest as well....
I definitely gotta disagree with you on that one son.....


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Download; Tony Yayo - S.O.D.
Download; The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready To Die OG Edition
Download: The Game - Black Wallstreet Radio 5
Download: Lloyd Banks: Return Of The PLK
Download: Juelz Santanna - Skull Gang Takeover
Download: Jadakiss - Audio Heroin
Download: G-Dep: Deponomics

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October 10, 2008 8:13 AM
 

chocolaterain said:

I f*xx with the Arab Money dance. its not racist...its actually a bigup. stack paper like them Arabs


UAE Stand Up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 10, 2008 8:14 AM
 

nuthintodo said:

...Jap City video AWESOME! Bout time, people are at their boiling points. Enough of these fag type trends already.

On some other sh%t. Did anybody see the Black dude at the McCain rally telling McCain to amp up the attacks? That was puzzling. That's a SIGNS THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END feature. If somebody finds the video please post it.
October 10, 2008 8:15 AM
 

Str8_2_tha_bank said:

THAT DEAD OR ALIVE SHIT IS OLD AS FUCK, I REMEMBER BUMPIN THAT IN HIGH SCHOOL, I HAD AN 89 GRAND AM COUPE ON MY WAY TO JONES BEACH GREEK FEAST, IT WAS ON A CLUE C.D., BUT THAN MAKAVELLI CAME OUT AND I SWEAR ON ERRRR THING I LOVE I PLAYED THAT SHIT TIL THE C.D. SKIP'D, MAKAVELLI ANNIULATED THE FUCK OUTTA JAY, NAS, CHINO XL, JUNIOR MAFIA AND BIGGIE. I'LL TELL YA, THAT TO LIVE AND DIE IN L.A. IS MY SHIT AND ME AND MY GIRL FRIEND!!!

CAN SOMEONE POST A LINK TO PACS TO LIVE AND DIE IN L.A. AND ME AND MY GIRL FRIEND?

ITS FRIDAY I GOT THE CIROC, ACE OF SPADES AND COCACOLA...... WITH LIME!!!


IS PASSING AROUND CUPS...........
WHO WANN SUMMM?????
October 10, 2008 8:15 AM
 

Davy da prince said:

Dem russians are vicious!!!
October 10, 2008 8:31 AM
 

chocolaterain said:

no one knew who jay-z was in 96 outside marcy real talk. 2pac shut them down....
October 10, 2008 8:31 AM
 

chocolaterain said:

PPl only startin f*ccin with Reasnable Doubt looong after Pac died. at the time Jay was a bum rapper on the come up
October 10, 2008 8:32 AM
 

Murk_CartelLaFa said:

damn illseed you aint put up how Jay-Z just dissed Dj Khaled & Fat Joe last night, on Kayslays drama hour. Its in the ill community
October 10, 2008 8:34 AM
 

mu$h da great said:


@ahh - waz up wit it?


okay its official sarah & the mom
off bobbys world are 1 in the same.


to ya boy,  travis barker, dj am - wish yall all a  speedy recovery.


okay ross didn't admit to being a corrections officer ......... @ this point it doesn't even matter, its already out there. a picture is worth a thousand words (not that shit was that big a deal anyway but by blatantl y denying that shit he made it one for the media). but honestly who really believes everything they hear in some of these rappers lyrics anyway?    
October 10, 2008 8:36 AM
 

MEME_SLIM said:

******************************************************************************

GOOD MORNING

1)Who the f**k gave these idots a camera? Was her drunken simple-minded rant supposed to sway anyone? She wasn't being respected by the people around her. She could hardly pronounce the man's name. The sad thing is, this is the thinking of rural white America. The see black or hear the name and unwilling to look at facts or stray away from their comfort zone.........the traditional fear and hate of people other than themselves.

2)I have no interest in what Jay-Z said years ago, Rick Ross did or didn't say now, or Kanye.  I am tired of all of them.

3)I am also tired of the DL celebs or should I say I am tired of hearing who may or may not be gay. I looked @ the vid and dude made strong points. I don't follow Pretty Ricky like that, but all the rest I have thought about.I know that being low is hard on them and eventually they will come out. A dude taht was a ladies man grown up was found w/ a man.  Makes me wonder if he was w/ them trying to curb his desire for men. Hmmm. Sad.

3)Rakim- Tied w/ pac on my best MC. (apples/ pineapples, LOL)

I had more to say, but who cares if I say it! Lol. Getting Mini MeMe together. She was tested and is above average so she was selected to attend a luncheon with her teacher and the principal. I am so proud. She really loves learning and is excited about everything.  Kids.................Wow.

Be blessed, fam.
Love
October 10, 2008 8:37 AM
 

Boss Up said:

yo ill stop givin 40 glock attention...this nigga wack yo...he makes the west coast look bad

ain't nobody checkin for that nigga or his opinion

newayz peace to the AHH Fam

*dap dap salute*

http://www.myspace.com/
October 10, 2008 8:41 AM
 

Davy da prince said:

Pac wuda murked Jigga.
October 10, 2008 8:42 AM
 

mu$h da great said:

"dont cha know"
October 10, 2008 8:42 AM
 

Boss Up said:

October 10, 2008 8:49 AM
 

Boss Up said:

how did Ernie Davis die?
October 10, 2008 8:50 AM
 

Knowl said:

*Giving Str8_2_tha_bank the headnod.* I have Stoli and Cranberry juice chilling over here. Who wants a Swig? I also have domionoes and I'm about to put the smackdown on everyone up in here (except Davy da prince) What's good people!
October 10, 2008 8:52 AM
 

Knowl said:

@MeMe_Moon I care about what you have to say.
October 10, 2008 8:55 AM
 

mu$h da great said:

was the million dollar presentatation really neccessary he could have gave it to him without the production (i.e. just zeroing his acount up)...... now you got all kind of mufuckers peepin you which may or may not be limited to the internal revenue service......but I guess.


its nothing wrong with being low key about certain shit but to each his own... it was most definitely for  attention though. they doing them so I can't really knock them for that.

October 10, 2008 8:56 AM
 

slimhermano said:

GOOD MORNING AHH!
October 10, 2008 8:59 AM
 

Str8_2_tha_bank said:

BUUUUROCK HUSEIN OBAMA IS ON THE NIGGA SIDE....
WELL FUCK ME RUNNIN.......
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEIRS PEOPLE THAT EXIST IN THIS WORLD LIKE HER!
AND THE BITCH HAVE THE NERVE TO BE SANDWICH UP ON A FUCKING 4WHEELER..........



SHIT I'M LOST FOR FUCKING WORDS ON THIS ONE........
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STILL TRYNA THINK OF SOME SHIT TO SAY..... IS JUST STARING AT THE COMPUTER WITH MY MOUTH COVERED!
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STILL TRYNA THINK OF SOMETHING TO SAY....................









OH FUC IT, I GIVE!!!!!!!!!
October 10, 2008 9:00 AM
 

slimhermano said:

MEME_SLIM said:


2)I have no interest in what Jay-Z said years ago, Rick Ross did or didn't say now, or Kanye.  I am tired of all of them.


c/s
October 10, 2008 9:04 AM
 

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October 10, 2008 9:06 AM
 

Davy da prince said:

Im rily startin to hate this love lockdown shit. Im steadily loosn the respect i had 4 this brother.
October 10, 2008 9:07 AM
 

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October 10, 2008 9:08 AM
 

MEME_SLIM said:

QUICK SHOUTS:

Knowl (My future = REAL love),
AJ (Real sista),
Streets,
Bhudda (French sista),
Hot ("Bun" lovin' sista),
Black Sean (Twin),
Sean John (Gentleman & new brother),
Kalibur,
Blaqman,
True Scientist,
Executive Producer,
Cres,
LT Brown(Informed sista. Right on),
C_a_k,
EMONEY (Where are you?)
Ms. ESPN (MIA sista),
Str8_2_tha_bank (thanks for the love),
Q.G.,
MissDallas (fellow Texas sista),
Black Pharoh,
Willy Killem (crazy storyteller),
J Rucker (sweetheart, politico),
G Unot (sweetheart),
Adopefemalemc (Go getta),
Kappa (In-law),
VAgogetta,
518,
Hustlinupnorth,
Davy da Prince (2nd Island fave),
Taylormade_Taylorbranded,
DGrudge (shits brusher),
Ichelle,
Just_Rude, (thanks for the joint love. Lol)
Tupacfan,(Prayers 2 you. I stay in the hospital,too)
ILLSEED, and everyone I forgot.

Blessings, good food, hot sex and REAL love.
Peace.
October 10, 2008 9:11 AM
 

MEME_SLIM said:

  Knowl said:
@MeMe_Moon I care about what you have to say.
==============================
Everyone knows you 're schemin' on Lil Knowl.  You hear me everyday all day.  You don't count, but thanks love.

October 10, 2008 9:14 AM
 

WILLY KILLEM? said:

GOOD DAY TO ALLHIPHOP & TO ALLHIPHOP A GOOD DAY.
October 10, 2008 9:18 AM
 

Tommy K. said:

What's up people???

once again i got this movie to work on so I can't stay right now

Be back in a few though, peace!
October 10, 2008 9:21 AM
 

c_a_k said:

GOOD MORNING/AFTERNOON/EVENING TO MY AHH FAM. its FRIGGIN’ FRIDAY PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOOD DAY ALSO TO ALL THE NEW FACES ON THE BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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FactChecking Debate No. 1
September 27, 2008
Facts muddled in Mississippi McCain-Obama meeting.
Summary
McCain and Obama contradicted each other repeatedly during their first debate, and each volunteered some factual misstatements as well. Here’s how we sort them out:
• Obama said McCain adviser Henry Kissinger backs talks with Iran “without preconditions,” but McCain disputed that. In fact, Kissinger did recently call for “high level” talks with Iran starting at the secretary of state level and said, “I do not believe that we can make conditions.” After the debate the McCain campaign issued a statement quoting Kissinger as saying he didn’t favor presidential talks with Iran.
• Obama denied voting for a bill that called for increased taxes on “people” making as little as $42,000 a year, as McCain accused him of doing. McCain was right, though only for single taxpayers. A married couple would have had to make $83,000 to be affected by the vote, and anyway no such increase is in Obama’s tax plan.
• McCain and Obama contradicted each other on what Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen said about troop withdrawals. Mullen said a time line for withdrawal could be “very dangerous” but was not talking specifically about “Obama’s plan,” as McCain maintained.
• McCain tripped up on one of his signature issues – special appropriation “earmarks.” He said they had “tripled in the last five years,” when in fact they have decreased sharply.
• Obama claimed Iraq “has” a $79 billion surplus. It once was projected to be as high as that. It’s now down to less than $60 billion.
• McCain repeated his overstated claim that the U.S. pays $700 billion a year for oil to hostile nations. Imports are running at about $536 billion this year, and a third of it comes from Canada, Mexico and the U.K.
• Obama said 95 percent of “the American people” would see a tax cut under his proposal. The actual figure is 81 percent of households.
• Obama mischaracterized an aspect of McCain’s health care plan, saying “employers” would be taxed on the value of health benefits provided to workers. Employers wouldn’t, but the workers would. McCain also would grant workers up to a $5,000 tax credit per family to cover health insurance.
• McCain misrepresented Obama's plan by claiming he'd be "handing the health care system over to the federal government." Obama would expand some government programs but would allow people to keep their current plans or chose from private ones, as well.
• McCain claimed Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower had drafted a letter of resignation from the Army to be sent in case the 1944 D-Day landing at Normandy turned out to be a failure. Ike prepared a letter taking responsibility, but he didn’t mention resigning.
For full details, as well as other dubious claims and statements, please read our full Analysis section.
Analysis
The first of three scheduled debates between Republican Sen. John McCain and Democratic Sen. Barack Obama took place Sept. 26 on the campus of the University of Mississippi at Oxford. It was sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates. It was carried live on national television networks and was moderated by Jim Lehrer, executive editor and anchor of the PBS "NewsHour" program.

We noted these factual misstatements:
Did Kissinger Back Obama?

McCain attacked Obama for his declaration that he would meet with leaders of Iran and other hostile nations "without preconditions." To do so with Iran, McCain said, "isn't just naive; it's dangerous." Obama countered by saying former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger – a McCain adviser – agreed with him:

Obama: Senator McCain mentioned Henry Kissinger, who's one of his advisers, who, along with five recent secretaries of state, just said that we should meet with Iran – guess what – without precondition. This is one of your own advisers.
McCain rejected Obama's claim:
McCain: By the way, my friend, Dr. Kissinger, who's been my friend for 35 years, would be interested to hear this conversation and Senator Obama's depiction of his -- of his positions on the issue. I've known him for 35 years.
Obama: We will take a look.
McCain: And I guarantee you he would not -- he would not say that presidential top level.
Obama: Nobody's talking about that.
So who's right? Kissinger did in fact say a few days earlier at a forum of former secretaries of state that he favors very high-level talks with Iran – without conditions:
Kissinger Sept. 20: Well, I am in favor of negotiating with Iran. And one utility of negotiation is to put before Iran our vision of a Middle East, of a stable Middle East, and our notion on nuclear proliferation at a high enough level so that they have to study it. And, therefore, I actually have preferred doing it at the secretary of state level so that we -- we know we're dealing with authentic...

CNN's Frank Sesno: Put at a very high level right out of the box?

Kissinger: Initially, yes.But I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations.
Later, McCain's running mate, Sarah Palin, was asked about this by CBS News anchor Katie Couric, and Palin said, "I’ve never heard Henry Kissinger say, ‘Yeah, I’ll meet with these leaders without preconditions being met.'" Afterward Couric said, "We confirmed Henry Kissinger’s position following our interview."

After the McCain-Obama debate, however, Kissinger issued a statement saying he doesn't favor a presidential meeting:
Kissinger: Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain.
$42,000 per year?

McCain said – and Obama denied – that Obama had voted to increase taxes on "people who make as low as $42,000 a year." McCain was correct – with qualification.
McCain: But, again, Senator Obama has shifted on a number of occasions. He has voted in the United States Senate to increase taxes on people who make as low as $42,000 a year.
Obama: That's not true, John. That's not true.
McCain: And that's just a fact. Again, you can look it up.
Obama: Look, it's just not true.
Yes, as we’ve said before, Obama did in fact vote for a budget resolution that called for higher federal income tax rates on a single, non-homeowner who earned as little as $42,000 per year. A couple filing jointly, however, would have had to earn at least $83,000 per year to be affected. A family of four with income up to $90,000 would not have been affected.

The resolution actually would not have altered taxes without additional legislation. It  called generally for allowing most of the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts to expire. McCain is referring to the provision that would have allowed the 25 percent tax bracket to return to 28 percent. The tax plan Obama now proposes, however, would not raise the rate on that tax bracket.
Timetable Tiff

Obama contradicted McCain about what Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen's said regarding "Obama's plan" for troop withdrawals.
McCain: Admiral Mullen suggests that Senator Obama's plan is dangerous for America.
Obama: That's not the case.
McCain: That's what ...
Obama: What he said was a precipitous...
McCain: That's what Admiral Mullen said.
Obama: ... withdrawal would be dangerous. He did not say that. That's not true.
Admiral Mullen did say in a Fox News interview that having a time line for withdrawal would be dangerous.
Mullen (July 20): I think the consequences could be very dangerous in that regard. I'm convinced at this point in time that coming – making reductions based on conditions on the ground are very important.
However, interviewer Chris Wallace had just told Mullen to take Obama out of the equation.
Wallace (July 20): But I'm asking you in the absence – forget about Obama. Forget about the politics. If I were to say to you, "Let's set a time line of getting all of our combat troops out within two years," what do you think would be the consequences of setting that kind of a time line?
So strictly speaking Mullen was not talking specifically about "Obama's plan." He did say a rigid timetable could have dangerous consequences.
Earmarks Down, Not Up

McCain was way off the mark when he said that earmarks in federal appropriations bills had tripled in the last five years.
McCain: But the point is that – you see, I hear this all the time. "It's only $18
billion." Do you know that it's tripled in the last five years?
In fact, earmarks have actually gone down. According to Citizens Against Government Waste, there was $22.5 billion worth of earmark spending in 2003. By 2008, that figure had come down to $17.2 billion. That's a decrease of 24 percent.

Taxpayers for Common Sense, another watchdog group, said in 2008 that "Congress has cut earmarks by 23 percent from the record 2005 levels," according to its analysis.
$3 million to study the DNA of bears?
And while we're on the subject of earmarks, McCain repeated a misleading line we've heard before.
McCain: You know, we spent $3 million to study the DNA of bears in Montana. I don't know if that was a criminal issue or a paternal issue, but the fact is that it was $3 million of our taxpayers' money. And it has got to be brought under control.
McCain's been playing this for laughs since 2003. The study  in question was done by the U.S. Geological Survey, and it relied in part on federal appropriations. Readers (and politicians) may disagree on whether a noninvasive study of grizzly bear population and habitat is a waste of money. McCain clearly thinks it is – but on the other hand, he never moved to get rid of the earmark. In fact, he voted for the bill that made appropriations for the study. He did propose some changes to the bill, but none that nixed the bear funding.
Iraqi Surplus Exaggerated

Obama was out of date in saying the Iraqi government has "79 billion dollars," when he argued that the U.S. should stop spending money on the war in Iraq.
Obama: We are currently spending $10 billion a month in Iraq when they have a $79 billion surplus.
As we've said before, there was a time when the country could have had as much as $79 billion, but that time has passed. What the Iraqis actually “have” is $29.4 billion in the bank. The Government Accountability Office projected in August that Iraq’s 2008 budget surplus could range anywhere from $38.2 billion to $50.3 billion, depending on oil revenue, price and volume. Then, in early August, the Iraqi legislature passed a $21 billion supplemental spending bill, which was omitted from the GAO’s surplus tally since it was still under consideration. The supplemental will be completely funded by this year’s surplus. So the range of what the Iraqi’s could have at year’s end is actually $47 billion to $59 billion. The $79 billion figure is outdated and incorrect.
$700 billion for oil?

McCain repeated an exaggerated claim that the U.S. is sending $700 billion per year to hostile countries.
McCain: Look, we are sending $700 billion a year overseas to countries that don't like us very much. Some of that money ends up in the hands of terrorist organizations.
That's not accurate. McCain also made this claim in his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention. He's referring to the amount of money the U.S. spends in importing oil. But the number is inflated. In fact, we actually pay more like $536 billion for the oil we need. And one-third of those payments go to Canada, Mexico and the U.K.

(Note: A few of our readers messaged us, after we first noted McCain's mistake, with the thought that he was referring to foreign aid and not to oil. If so he's even farther off than we supposed: The entire budget for the State Department and International Programs works out to just $51.3 billion.)

Correction: We originally wrote $51.3 million – the correct figure is billion.
Tax Cut Recipients

Obama overstated how many people would save on taxes under his plan:
Obama: My definition – here's what I can tell the American people: 95 percent of you will get a tax cut. And if you make less than $250,000, less than a quarter-million dollars a year, then you will not see one dime's worth of tax increase.
That should be 95 percent of families, not 95 percent of "American people." An analysis by the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center found that Obama's plan would decrease taxes for 95.5 percent of families with children. Overall, 81.3 percent of households would get a tax cut under his proposal.
Health Care Hyperbole

Obama and McCain traded incorrect statements on each other's health care plan.
Obama: So you may end up getting a $5,000 tax credit. Here's the only problem: Your employer now has to pay taxes on the health care that you're getting from your employer.
As we said before, McCain’s plan doesn’t call for taxing employers on health care benefits; it would instead tax employees. As the law stands now, employees don’t pay taxes on the dollar value of their health insurance benefits. Under McCain’s plan, they would.

McCain also misrepresented Obama's plan when he said that his opponent favored "handing the health care system over to the federal government."
McCain: Well, I want to make sure we're not handing the health care system over to the federal government which is basically what would ultimately happen with Senator Obama's health care plan. I want the families to make decisions between themselves and their doctors. Not the federal government.
McCain made a similar claim in his acceptance speech, when he said that
Obama's plans would "force families into a government run health care
system." We called it false then and we stand by that. Obama's plan mandates coverage for children, but not for adults, and it does not require anyone to be covered by a nationalized system. Obama's plan expands the insurance coverage offered by the government, but allows people to keep their own plans or choose from private plans as well.
Ike Was No Quitter

McCain mangled his military history:
McCain: President Eisenhower, on the night before the Normandy invasion, went into his room, and he wrote out two letters.
One of them was a letter congratulating the great members of the military and allies that had conducted and succeeded in the greatest invasion in history, still to this day, and forever.

And he wrote out another letter, and that was a letter of resignation from the United States Army for the failure of the landings at Normandy.
The story is widely circulated in military circles but not entirely true. Eisenhower (then a general, not yet a president) did in fact write a letter taking responsibility should the D-Day invasion fail. But Eisenhower's letter does not mention resigning. Here's the full text:
Eisenhower (June 5, 1944): Our landings in the Cherbourg-Havre area have failed to gain a satisfactory foothold and I have withdrawn the troops. My decision to attack at this time and place was based on the best information available. The troops, the air and the Navy did all that bravery and devotion to duty could do. If any blame or fault attaches to the attempt it is mine alone.
No mention of quitting the Army, or his command.
A Longer Timetable
Obama stretched out his schedule for withdrawing troops from Iraq. During the debate, Obama said we could "reduce" the number of combat troops in 16 months:
Obama: Now, what I've said is we should end this war responsibly. We should do it in phases. But in 16 months we should be able to reduce our combat troops, put – provide some relief to military families and our troops and bolster our efforts in Afghanistan so that we can capture and kill bin Laden and crush al Qaeda.
But in Oct. 2007, Obama supported removing all combat troops from Iraq
within 16 months:
Obama (Oct. 2007): I will remove one or two brigades a month, and get all of our combat troops out of Iraq within 16 months. The only troops I will keep in Iraq will perform the limited missions of protecting our diplomats and carrying out targeted strikes on al Qaeda. And I will launch the diplomatic and humanitarian initiatives that are so badly needed. Let there be no doubt: I will end this war.
The quote appears in "Barack Obama and Joe Biden on Defense Issues" – a
position paper that was still available on the campaign's Web site as Obama spoke.
Still Soft on Iran?

McCain repeated the false insinuation that Obama opposed naming Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps as a terrorist organization.
McCain: There is the Republican Guard in Iran, which Senator Kyl had an amendment in order to declare them a sponsor of terror. Senator Obama said that would be provocative. ...

Obama: Well, let me just correct something very quickly. I believe the Republican Guard of Iran is a terrorist organization. I've consistently said so. What Senator McCain refers to is a measure in the Senate that would try to broaden the mandate inside of Iraq. To deal with Iran.
Obama has in fact said that the IRGC should be named a terrorist group. He was a cosponsor of the Iran Counter-Proliferation Act, which, among other things, named the IRGC a terrorist organization. What he voted against was the Kyl-Lieberman amendment, which also called for the terrorist group distinction. But Obama said that he opposed the amendment on the grounds that it was "saber-rattling."
Obama press release (Sept. 26, 2007): Senator Obama clearly recognizes the serious threat posed by Iran. However, he does not agree with the president that the best way to counter that threat is to keep large numbers of troops in Iraq, and he does not think that now is the time for saber-rattling towards Iran. In fact, he thinks that our large troop presence in Iraq has served to strengthen Iran - not weaken it. He believes that diplomacy and economic pressure, such as the divestment bill that he has proposed, is the right way to pressure the Iranian regime. Accordingly, he would have opposed the Kyl-Lieberman amendment had he been able to vote today.
Who's Naive on Georgia?

McCain called Obama's initial statement on the conflict in Georgia "naive." It's worth noting Obama's words echoed those of the White House.
McCain: Well, I was interested in Senator Obama's reaction to the Russian aggression against Georgia. His first statement was, "Both sides ought to show restraint."

Again, a little bit of naivete there. He doesn't understand that Russia committed serious aggression against Georgia.
It's true, as McCain said, that during the conflict between Georgia and Russia, Obama said, "Now is the time for Georgia and Russia to show restraint, and to
avoid an escalation to full scale war" in his first statement on the conflict. But so did the White House. Press secretary Dana Perino said on Aug. 8, “We urge restraint on all sides – that violence would be curtailed and that direct dialogue could ensue in order to help resolve their differences.” We pointed this out when New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani mischaracterized Obama's response to the crisis during the GOP convention.
Boeing Boasts

McCain went too far when he said, "I saved the taxpayers $6.8 billion by fighting a contract that was negotiated between Boeing and DOD that was completely wrong. And we fixed it and we killed it."

McCain certainly did lead a fight to kill the contract, and the effort ended in prison sentences for defense contractors. But the contract isn't exactly "fixed" yet. In fact, questions have been raised about the role McCain has played in helping a Boeing rival secure the new contract.

After the original Boeing contract to supply refueling airliners was nixed in 2003, the bidding process was reopened. And in early 2007, Boeing rival EADS/Airbus won the bid the second time around. But Boeing filed a protest about the way the bids were processed, and the Government Accountability Office released a report that found in Boeing's favor. In the summary of GAO's investigation, the organization said there were "significant errors" with the bid process and that the directions given to Boeing were "misleading."

Further, the New York Times reported that "McCain’s top advisers, including a cochairman of his presidential campaign, were lobbyists for EADS. And Mr. McCain had written to the Defense Department, urging it to ignore a trade dispute between the United States and Europe over whether Airbus received improper subsidies." A liberal campaign finance group ran an ad hitting McCain on the connections back in July and our colleagues at PolitiFact found their attacks to be true, saying: "Center for Responsive Politics prepared a report for PolitiFact that backs [the charge] up. U.S. employees of EADS/Airbus have contributed $15,700 in this election cycle to McCain’s campaign."
Nuclear Charges

McCain said Obama was against storing nuclear waste. That's not exactly his position.
McCain: And Senator Obama says he's for nuclear, but he's against reprocessing and he's against storing.

Obama: I -- I just have to correct the record here. I have never said that I object to nuclear waste. What I've said is that we have to store it safely.
Obama's official position is that he does support safe storage of nuclear waste:
Obama fact sheet: Obama will also lead federal efforts to look for a safe, long-term disposal solution based on objective, scientific analysis. In the meantime, Obama will develop requirements to ensure that the waste stored at current reactor sites is contained using the most advanced dry-cask storage technology available. Barack Obama believes that Yucca Mountain is not an option. Our government has spent billions of dollars on Yucca Mountain, and yet there are still significant questions about whether nuclear waste can be safely stored there.
But the McCain campaign has attacked Obama before on thi