MF DOOM: Born Like This (Album Review)

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MRGODBYROAD — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:11:04 GMT

doom got skillz!!!!!!! very under rated!

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Black Hit — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:32:18 GMT

Doom is hot shit, will definitely be picking this one up

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Focused10210 — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:36:14 GMT

this one I wrote in cold blood, with a toothpick

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Focused10210 — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:36:15 GMT

this one I wrote in cold blood, with a toothpick

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ANACOSTIA — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:46:41 GMT

Gotta Be Honest, I don't know sh*t about this Dude!

Somebody recommend a straight banger from him!

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bobdigi — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:06:20 GMT

I rate him but this LP didn't blow me away!!

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DJ TEKNISION — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:11:20 GMT

THIS ALBUM IS A STRAIGHT HEATER...THIS IS MY TYPE OF HIP HOP....DOOM LYRICS IS SO ABOVE THESE WACK EMCEES, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE. YOU HAVE TO REALLY LISTEN TO HIM AT FIRST, THEN ONCE YOU GET IT....YOU GOT IT. DOOM IS THE ISH!!

@ANACOSTIA

CHECK DE LA SOUILS TRACK ROCK KOKANE FLOW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wCYoN0QIqQ

ALSO CHECK TO SEE WHAT MOS DEF GOT TO SAY ABOUT DOOM!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTBIvIDnnv8

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BlackPeople 1 — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:19:57 GMT

i had this style
ever since i was a child
i got this other style i aint flip in in a while...

this my man right here.
the illest out right now.

i be reading all these top 5 lists and heads don't even put him on there.

anyway at the fatbeats out here on melrose yesterday they said the wax ships after april 7.

lemme git dat.

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DJ TEKNISION — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:25:03 GMT

@BLACKPEOPLE 1

I HAD A FEELING YOU WOULD BE UP ON DOOM.. DOOM HAS A VERY BIG FOLLOWING. DOOM IS HIP HOP ON A VERY CREATIVE SIDE.

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nyk_nyk — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:45:00 GMT

BlackPeople 1 said:

this my man right here.
the illest out right now.

You kinda reachin on that one homie. You have to be a Doom fan to really like his stuff. I've listened to a ton of his music and while he does have some clever lines, his delivery isn't at all great. I still give him props though, but no where near the "illest" as you say.

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Huey vs Riley — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:59:19 GMT

Rapping over UFO... thats been done more often than mya

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Duecesides — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:33:29 GMT

D-D-D-D-D-DDDDDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMM!!!!

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Velly — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:04:08 GMT

Stuff like this, is what makes me hold on tighter to tha underground, instead of that crap that plays on the radio.

Doomsday!!!

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shani — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:05:03 GMT

MF Doom's new song "Batty Boy" is blatant hatred of Gay people.
Batty boy’ is Jamaican patois for faggot.
People try to cover up that fact and try to say but Chris Rock told me you don't have to be homosexual to act gay. In other words you don't have to be homosexual to act in a fucked up way like a homosexual would. So people use this as an excuse to call every lame thing they see "gay". This is like a White person calling a Black person n!gger and then trying to justify it by calling some other white person a n!gger also. But the song is not even delivered in a comical way even though there are some "funny" lines.
You might want to give this song a pass but keep that in mind when a similar pass is given to somebody who oppresses what you are.
Like some White rock artist doing a song called "darkies"
-can't you take a joke?

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shani — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:05:06 GMT

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Above All — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:38:38 GMT

Doom has lyrics but his flow kills it for me....

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Jayles101 — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:50:44 GMT

Skells just put together a mixtape over alll dooms beats, called
"The Special Herbs Experiment"

Dude got some heat!!

www.myspace.com/councilrecords

poor rich kids

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Huey vs Riley — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:20:18 GMT

Just to be clear...

Operation Doomsday = Near classic

Madvillainy = Very much a classic

Other albums: All at least 7 outta 10

So... posts your favorite doom tracks!

Rhymes like dimes
?
Rhinestone cowboy
Saliva

The outro of the first viktor vaughn (I think) with the rain and thunderstorm is pretty cool too

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BlackPeople 1 — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:54:12 GMT

again.

the villian is the illest.

dj tek, hells yeah.
i fucks with doom.

i fucked that up.
the brother ask for all caps

DOOM.

...land of milk an honey with the swirls
where reckless nekkid girls
git necklaces an pearls...

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DJ TEKNISION — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:22:32 GMT

@ HUEY VS RILEY

I KNOW THAT TRACK AT THE END OF VIKTOR VAUGHN IS CHANGE THE BEAT...I MUST AGREE WITH YOU THAT SONG IS SICK!!

THESE RAPPERS GOT THEIR SHIRT OFF LIKE OUTTA WORK CHIP IN DALE STRIPPERS.....DOOM

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gorgan — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:25:22 GMT

When all this commercial shit is poppin off , i just hold my corner and wait fa emceez like Doom to do there thing , because then i know i'm getting PROPR HIPHOP MUSIC

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ANACOSTIA — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:15:42 GMT

@ DJ TEKNISION

Thanx Homie, much appreciated!

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ANACOSTIA — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:38:45 GMT

@ DJ TEKNISION

Just checked it, Mos Def in love with this Dude!

I got it now, Dude is nice!

Checked your site, mix was tight, much success!

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DJ TEKNISION — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:02:16 GMT

@ANACOSTIA

THANX A LOT MY DUDE!! JUST TRYING TO INTRODUCE REAL HIP HIP TO REAL HIP HOP HEADZ...THERE IS A LOT OF GOOD CREATIVE MUZIK OUT THERE. WE JUST HAVE TO SEARCH FOR IT NOW!!

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TrizzyValentine — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:35:38 GMT

ok.....the gay thing is like this: the union of a man and a woman has an apex wherin the result is the birth of a new human. this makes absolute sense in terms of generating new life as you will die off and the new life will assume your role later down the line etc....gay people cannot do that....true gay people that is....so when "we" see any event that "doesnt make sense" we call it "gay" so as to relate the event to two same sex people trying to bring new life into the world naturally (it cant happen). example, the boy walks in his room to play his video game only to find that the console controller and the console both have male connectors. the boy let his frustration be shown when he said "thats gay"!

Doom is dope as far as his catalogue. its funny that we "fans" always expect perfection on every album released by anyone. have we sat and pondered that the album is the way it is on purpose? we act like everyone is trying to achieve the same goal in terms of the end result of a musical effort. thats simply not true. if it were that way i'd be inclined to say that music is "gay" but I know better than that. wait until the artist is dead and all the unreleased material comes out before determining the overall quality of an artist. what you see at first is only what the label wants you to see.

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CallMe_Ishwar — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:35:51 GMT

Top 5 Doom songs

1. Rhinestone cowboy
2. Accordian
3. All outta Ale
4. Basket Case (off Dangerdoom Album)
5. and the whole MM.. Food Album

just my opinion
im coppin the new doom first day

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TrizzyValentine — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:48:10 GMT

my faves are:

Kon Karne
Accordian
Rhinestone cowboy
Deep fried friendz
Rap snitches

all the beats on King Gheedora are bangin and the verses on next levels is hot too

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TrizzyValentine — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:34:40 GMT

Saffron too. cant forget that one!

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TrizzyValentine — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:39:08 GMT

AKA doomsday. I like both

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ballstothewall — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:54:53 GMT

yo i think he's dope and one of the illest producers out thjere, but why does he insist on keeping his flow so fuckin monotone? it's boring as shit, hard to follow, his lyrics are mindblowing at certain points, but they're boring to hear cuz he never switches up his style, NEVER!
get some rythym in ur voice homie,

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TrizzyValentine — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 03:18:38 GMT

I think its because he always drinkin' so he tries to keep his voice "even" and not fuck up.

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RoyalCityRyder — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 03:43:10 GMT

GFK always does his thing. Has dude EVER spit a weak verse?

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JUDAH NAZURA — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 03:46:43 GMT

see i see sum haters on here trying to talk down on dooms delivery.

and these are the same cats who call themselves hiphop fans..

doom is that pure unadulterated hiphop...period.

dope lyrics..and brave production...meaning he takes risks with the beats....

TELL ME ...one beer left is not the illest beat ever?!!

dont talk shit to bp1 ..because hes the human turntable and a hiphop historian...

u gotta prove your rank before trying to question others on AHH alright?

but aside from the haters and posuers..im still gonna cop that new joint...

SUPA!!

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JUDAH NAZURA — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 03:51:07 GMT

and shani...

I dont give a frogs fat ass what he says about BATTY HOLES!!

u must be white..cuz unnatural relations between same sex ppl and relations with animals is just wrong.

Get ur babylon ass off this site and go 2 guys who like guys .com...

get outta here with that bullshit homie!!

nigga tried to say his name is SHANI...

nigga yo name is SAMUEL!!!

cut the bullshit.....fart catching fairy boy

Fyah fa dem batty boy dem!!!

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gorgan — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 04:03:05 GMT

@JUDAH NAZURA

Gorgan said:
I like Doom's material a lot from his voice to rhyme delivery to production , EVEN GOING BACK TO THE KMD DAYS

but you can't expect abody to feel the same as we do about his music , these cats here dissin Doom are probably more into Lil Wayne and Soulja Boy BUT YO ITS THERR CHOICE

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NelsoNetic — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:37:37 GMT

Feels good seeing real heads like BP1 & Judah on this place reppin DOOM.
Real recognize real

But this album....i' ll give it a 7/10

operation doomsday 10/10
mm..food 9/10
dangerdoom 8/10

marvel assholes for making doom take out the mf out of the name

AHH review that 7th veil album already

1

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RudePeruano — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 04:52:20 GMT

MFDOOM AKA THE MAD VILLAIN AKA VICTOR VAUGHN THATS MY DUDE RIGHT THERE !!! MFDOOM IS THE MAN !!!

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ahanti 7 — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:53:47 GMT

KMD AKA MF DOOM has lyrics for days. I remembe him from back in the days when he spit on 3rd base song "The Gas Face. Doom is the epitome of what an MC should be.

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Killuminati 187 — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:03:33 GMT

WTF? This ain't Halle Berry dancin' to Hurricane Chris on the Ellen show? Doom needs a Chopper Suit.

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Killuminati 187 — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:11:22 GMT

shani said:
MF Doom's new song "Batty Boy" is blatant hatred of Gay people.
Batty boy’ is Jamaican patois for faggot.
People try to cover up that fact and try to say but Chris Rock told me you don't have to be homosexual to act gay. In other words you don't have to be homosexual to act in a fucked up way like a homosexual would. So people use this as an excuse to call every lame thing they see "gay". This is like a White person calling a Black person n!gger and then trying to justify it by calling some other white person a n!gger also. But the song is not even delivered in a comical way even though there are some "funny" lines.
You might want to give this song a pass but keep that in mind when a similar pass is given to somebody who oppresses what you are.
Like some White rock artist doing a song called "darkies"
-can't you take a joke?

@Shani

You can't compare skin color and homosexuality. People aren't born Gay, God doesn't make mistakes, and people can't request to God what color they wanna be before they're born. Therefore you cannot compare the two, homosexuality is a choice, skin color isn't. So when you diss faggots, you're not dissin' God. When you diss someone based off of SKIN COLOR, you diss GOD. I don't care if they say it's been "Scientifically proven" you can be born a homo, that's nothin' more than a Media Frenzy to manipulate us into thinkin' it's "okay" to be Gay so we'll accept homosexuality, science has not actually proven that. I was born at night but not LAST night, I know my shit. So sit down with all that. I'm sick of people tryna compare Homosexuality to Black and White. There's absolutely NO comparison and never will be, BATTY BOY.

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Huey vs Riley — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:14:46 GMT

Yeah MM Food was a really great album too prolly his most underappreciated work.

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Huey vs Riley — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 17:46:31 GMT

COOOOOOKIES!

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shani — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:05:06 GMT

I'm female in case anybody's wondering

@Killuminati 187

1) you said people aren't born gay but apparently animals are

a) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glWQSM7DIFM&feature=related

b) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RlTAyNI8WE

-this is natural behavior. In humans it about 4% of the population are born gay.

2) it would be better if the natural 4% gay people would increase because the world is already overpopulated

3) if people were to choose being gay that's their freedom
-but why would anybody choose it with all the hatred that goes against it?-makes no sense. You don't choose your sexual urges that comes naturally. Repressing it to conform is what is unnatural.

4) You said God doesn't makes mistakes, right, a certain percentage of people naturally being gay is not a mistake, it's intentional

5) You said God doesn't makes mistakes. Look at people who have severe birth "defects". I guess that's intentional, Down's Syndrome, people born with no arms,
Hurricane Katrina

6) there have been gay people since ancient times, blame it on television

7) you seem to have been born last night not knowing reality

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ThatOtherDude — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 03:00:51 GMT

insecurity its a bad thing. my personal thing about gays is that its a lifestyle that brings forth no life. i have an issue with that, sorry. but whatever yo.

ALL CAPS, Rhymes Like Dimes, mmm Food (album), King Geedorah (with the original "Battle of the Planets" loop), Cookies... peep for those

i could go on. dudes nice with his and always has been.

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EBK — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:34:28 GMT

Page 4, lil' bo weeped/Cleared tears from eyes, then lil' bo peeps/
Through a hole in Sam's 6 foot fence/where Sam was seen
plantin tall and short pea plants, hence. The cadence and rhyme scheme in the song "Hard Wit No Hoe" was always the illest to me. Doom is definitely a scientist.

ReAl hiphop will Never Die yALL!!!

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EBK — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:45:53 GMT

@Shani
I'm not in the mood to go on a tirade about the position you are asserting, but the point Killuminati 187 was making, the point I wish sodomites and their supporters would understand, that comparing the "struggles" of homosexuality to the plight of people of color is no more appreciated than if pedophiles justified their actions by saying being gay is acceptable deviant behavior, so why can't we play with children. Btw GOD doesn't make mistakes, and GOD doesn't make people gay or handicapped, or male or female either. This is all the product of existing.

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BigDSteelz — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:44:49 GMT

been hearing about dude for a while but never heard a single line from him.

Guess i'll check for him when i have the time.

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shani — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 21:05:40 GMT

EBK said:

Your comment makes no sense because there are straight people who are pedophiles and there are gay people who are pedophiles. And this hypothetical example, not based on anything a gay pedophile ever said (although they are a disgrace) makes no more sense then a straight pedophile (for example, a man who rapes little girls), him trying to justify it by saying he's heterosexual. You are trying to argue something intentionally built on a false premise that is called a "straw dog argument".
You said God doesn't make people male, female, gay or handicapped.
How would you know?
You say that it's all "all the product of existing" Who created these products?
It's funny how a rappers can talk about doing numerous so called sins and nobody says anything. Stuff like doing murder, robbing people, raping women, adultery. Nobody says anything. Then when the topic of homosexuality comes up all of the sudden they become Ministers.
the word "sodomy" appears nearly 1,000 times in the Hebrew Scriptures, approximately 1% of those references have sexual connotation
But why are we even discussing the bible this is a Hip Hop site?
If MF Doom had a song talking about the this old book then it would be a valid topic to discuss.

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Way2Kool — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 22:58:01 GMT

Encountered metal face back in 1999; little did I know it was Zev Love X from KMD that laced me with the song "Peach Fuzz" in high school. Been a fan of MF Doom since then. The song "Fancy Clown" is banger from the "MadVilliany" album; Victor Vaughn on the song venting to his girlfriend about her cheating on him with MF Doom.

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EBK — Sat, 04 Apr 2009 05:25:41 GMT

@Shani
No offense but have you ever heard the term "so smart you dumb" you goin out of your way to justify being offensive. You still refuse to acknowledge the point in case you missed it here it is again, STOP COMPARING HOMOSEXUALITY TO BEING BLACK!!!
Im not sure if you all understand, rap is a Black mans conversation usually to other Black men, anyone else listening or participating is doing so by priviliege not right. Therefore those people cannot dictate or criticize the flow of the conversation, and before the suckers started taking over that gay shit was not allowed. As far as that "old" book that has no validity because of its age, the Earth is millions of years old if you believe scientists(whose positions change every decade) so why don't you try living without that. Im sure you'll tell me how ridiculus that is, but if you haven't noticed Im trying to make my statements match yours.

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EBK — Sat, 04 Apr 2009 05:42:13 GMT

@shani again
The reason I know that GOD doesn't individualize people, is because I read his words, Im no biblical scholar, but we were created in his image,when we create its not to control our creation but to see what it is able to do, same as our creator. When so called geniuses don't know something they try to act as if no one knows for certain, and its alright to question things but truth is truth, so be my guest justify sexual deviance anyway you choose. Only one of us is right, and time will reveal that it aint you.

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shani — Sat, 04 Apr 2009 07:13:14 GMT

EBK, you want rap to be all male but its not so don't try to corrupt the history, females have been rapping for 30 years. You get more and more confused as you talk.
Rap music used to be called "deviant". Look into what "freedom" means.

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EBK — Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:32:31 GMT

First of all Rap is to whoever is doin it or listening to it. But sweetheart with all the gentleness I can muster, it is you who needs to do the history, Rappin didn't start with females they joined in after the fact. Also 90% of rap is geared toward male mentality. You heard of a guy "rappin"(mackin') to a female, it doesn't commonly go the other way around, if ever. Instead of trying to disagree because you believe homosexuality is right, when as a woman, unless you too are gay, it is far more detrimental to you, try to understand what I am saying. Homosexuality is biologically, and spiritually wrong. Live your life I dont believe people should be denied work or physically assaulted because of their lifestyle(which signifies its a choice) or orientation(which is a choice although its pre-disposed). Like, by nature I desire multiple females but I choose to be faithful to my girl. Now as I said live your life we all shall be judged accordingly, but when you try to make society in general and children specifically accept and welcome behavior that is wrong you endanger them. Freedom is the right to do anything but harm others. Im not confused and insulting my intelligence won't make it so. I didn't criticize deviancy, I criticized deviant sexual behavior. Because sex is the most important thing on earth cuz its how we get here(even a clone had to come from someone who was created naturally). Gays are the ones that are confused, first its a man or woman trapped in a woman's or man' s body, then it was gender bending, now its gender blending, anything to suite the agenda, I REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO GET OFF INTO THIS BECAUSE I LEAVE GOD TO JUDGE SIN. So I hope you can understand comparing black sufferage with gay rights is insulting, belittling and frankly down right coniving to try and play on the sympathy of our misery.

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shani — Sun, 05 Apr 2009 07:34:17 GMT

EBK said:
First of all Rap is to whoever is doin it or listening to it. But sweetheart with all the gentleness I can muster, it is you who needs to do the history, Rappin didn't start with females they joined in after the fact. Also 90% of rap is geared toward male mentality.
You heard of a guy "rappin"(mackin') to a female, it doesn't commonly go the other way around, if ever.

shani: . All that is beside the point because you make an ad hominem argument one based on who is making the statement rather than the truth of the statement. Women have the freedom to speak on whatever they please and will exercise that right. What if a person in Mongolia or an Australian made some remark about Hip Hop? It may or may not be true regardless of who they are because the truth is the truth. They might say something more true than the person born and raised in the Bronx. The MF Doom song
"Batty Boy" is hatred against homosexuals and most homosexuals are homosexuals because it's a natural urge in a stable 4% of human populations. It's a good thing because the world is over populated anyway although the rate is not increasing to keep up with the population rate.

EBK: Instead of trying to disagree because you believe homosexuality is right, when as a woman, unless you too are gay, it is far more detrimental to you, try to understand what I am saying.

shani: what is detrimental is men not being a father to their child. I don't believe homosexuality is right or wrong it's just the nature of certain people. I believe murder is wrong because that takes away somebody else's right to live.

EBK: Homosexuality is biologically, and spiritually wrong. Live your life I don't believe people should be denied work or physically assaulted because of their lifestyle(which signifies its a choice) or orientation(which is a choice although its pre-disposed).

shani: this song by MF Doom doesn't force anybody to do anything but it encourages a harassing low minded mentality. You are correct in pointing out that there is a "pre-disposed "orientation" to homosexual behavior. You are also correct that people choose a style. Homosexuals may choose various different styles of living that is their right just like a person can choose a Hip Hop lifestyle or an Opera Singer lifestyle or an Egyptian knowledge lifestyle or whatever.

EBK: Like, by nature I desire multiple females but I choose to be faithful to my girl.

shani: this is good. For example, if two homosexual people make a commitment to each other they should stop seeing other people. Many abide by this at least to the sorry extent that straight people do.

EBK: Freedom is the right to do anything but harm others.

shani: My point all along

EBK: deviant sexual behavior.

shani: "deviant" is a relative term it could mean any thing a given person doesn't like. Some people think a woman giving a man head is deviant. Some people think that sex without marriage is "deviant". Some people think rap music is "deviant". The word deviant is whatever you want it to be.

EBK: Because sex is the most important thing on earth cuz its how we get here(even a clone had to come from someone who was created naturally). Gays are the ones that are confused,

shani: gays are not confused. they are attracted to the same sex at an early age (didn't you just point out "orientation"? The only confusion is when simple minded people try to force gay people to conform to what straight people do and the person has to decide if they are going to go along with something that feels unnatural to them to "fit in".

EBK: I REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO GET OFF INTO THIS BECAUSE I LEAVE GOD TO JUDGE SIN.

shani: I wish MF Doom had said the same and not put his hate on wax

EBK: So I hope you can understand comparing black sufferage with gay rights is insulting, belittling and frankly down right conniving to try and play on the sympathy of our misery.

shani: people of all stripes try to get exclusive about possessing their misery. You here people saying the Middle Passage was not as bad as the Holocaust and other people saying the Holocaust was not as bad the Middle passage. If you speak to some Native American they might say they suffered more and nothing can compare.
People should be coming together on their suffering instead of childishly saying "mine is worse than yours. I won".....Won what?
People shouldn't be trying to one up the next person for being the biggest vic.
People shouldn't be doing this. They should be looking at the communality of suffering.
Comparing is how the mind works. It's not the comparing that is bad it is the intent. One intent is to compare to say "hell no I ain't no homo".
using the comparison to show that they superior and unlike the "bad" people.
People not trying to be superior compare with the opposite intent. They look for what is similar.
That is exactly what is spiritual.

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TheVizionary — Sun, 05 Apr 2009 13:44:26 GMT

Quick technical point on the EBK and Shani argument. I have been silently reading all of your comments.

EBK.. If it had not been for Kool Herc's SISTER Hip-Hop would not exist.

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EBK — Sun, 05 Apr 2009 20:28:00 GMT

@ shani
You just do not seem to get it, I don't give a fuck about gay people, I know its wrong and nothing will change that. I don't intend to change of the minds of those who do it, or think its right, or who simply choose to accept it. That is their right like it is mine to not accept it. By it I mean homosexuality not the people that are homosexual, because its the act not the indvidual that is being criticized. There is only one defintion to deviant all that changes is the noun you add to it, yes hip hop is deviant, its supposed to be anyway, going against the accepted norm. In the case of sex, going against the accepted norm is detrimental. If population control is your worry you can reduce by one with the greatest of ease. I didnt say homosexuality was the only or greatest problem for women simply one of many in that it is "downlow" men giving women aids and gay men further thin out the pool of acceptable mates, forcing women to continue to be subjected to abusers and losers.

Shani said:
What if a person in Mongolia or an Australian made some remark about Hip Hop?

Isn't this what you call a strawdog argument? Why is it ok when you do it?

Finally to only point that I've tried to make. I never said whose had it worse everyone has their own brand of suffering, what Native Americans went through was not the same as what Jews went through in Germany, and thats not the same as what Blacks have gone through in America, its all bad. However no one compares homosexuality with the holocaust, and no group relates their suffering to that of another group, they let their suffering stand on its own. So why can't gays do the same and stop trying to ride our struggle for their own self gain.

@TheVizionary
By that argument if not for Kool Herc and His sister's FATHER hip hop would not exist. Think before you type.

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shani — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:34:17 GMT

smh@EBK not knowing about gays being categorized and killed in Nazi concentration camps .

No need to argue on comparison forever. The point is that MF Doom hates gay people. period.
and he should keep it to himself because it's wrong an spreads hate to make songs about it

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EBK — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 07:00:45 GMT

smh @ shani not knowing about Africans being killed and experimented on in concentration camps, if the point was to make a pure white race than who was the real target. Btw the head of the SS whose name escapes me wanted all his soldiers to be gay, like Roman soldiers, so as to bond them more, and he said female relationships make you weak. You not gon out do me cuz unlike you my view aint a fad and wasn't fed to me. I had to live learn study independently and get my head bumped to gain the understanding about the world that I have. You are right about one thing no need to argue, we all have the right (for now) to think as we choose and speak those thoughts. Doom don't have to keep his opinions to himself no more than you do or anyone else. But my question is why have you yet to respond correctly to what I said about making a comparisson in the first place. On a final note why would I give a fuck about gay suffering, although Im not against them per se, I aint for them at all.

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shani — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 06:34:31 GMT

EBK: why would I give a fuck about gay suffering?

shani: because if you don't care about people of all types suffering then it will be less likely that anybody cares about your suffering.

This is called the Golden Rule

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EBK — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:16:53 GMT

First of all gay suffering is the effect of them being gay, and if people truthfully cared about the suffering of others there wouldn't be so much of it, people are preoccupied with their own misery, and show compassion only when it serves them. Cynical I know but factual none the less. Now again I say when are you gonna correctly address my original point, or should I take that to mean you've conceded

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