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no one should dis this women.... keep it clean.

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If u think about it, she's right. But if she felt that way, why do she let rappers sample her music?  Guess money trumps beliefs.

A true Legend, She speaking the truth for the most part. I agree with Power_720, show respect for her, she is our elder and she is entitled to her opinion. It's a unequal balance, it's way more negative hip hop that degrade our culture; than it is positive hip hop that uplift out culture.

Whatever man we had problems in our community way before rap music came along.  Hell I think those 70's blaxploitation films set the race back more than rap has.

I totally agree with everything she said..All rap did was made it cool to disrespect our women and be ignorant..I knew n***as that came from good homes that dropped out of school trying to live out rap lyrics..

  liquidswords95 said:
A true Legend, She speaking the truth for the most part. I agree with Power_720, show respect for her, she is our elder and she is entitled to her opinion. It's a unequal balance, it's way more negative hip hop that degrade our culture; than it is positive hip hop that uplift out culture.
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And some of those damn Tyler Perry movies st our race back.  All that cooning and shucking and jiving.  She should comment on that.

I'll have some Chicken and Waffles to that!

charlie she don't own her music or publishing joe..it's them crackers allowing her music to be sampled!!

The problem is she's right. "It's one thing to be raw about your history, but they took it to another level and it became vulgar" that's one of the realist anti-hiphop arguments I've heard. I don't know about her artist selection though. And as a representative of Hip Hop I respect the real which goes two-fold

1) I respect what she said cause she spoke some truth
2) It's the artists who didn't keep it real who've done this to our culture.

but!  can't blame music for the culture I blame the culture for the music.

Some ignorant ass internet thug will diss her for sure.  She is 99% right of course, but people also have to take responsibility for the way they behave and their actions.  I mean you are a complete retard if you actually idolize some of these rappers out here, I mean who would idolize a straight wack clown like lil boosie, or lil wayne or any of those garbage ass southern rappers.  


When you listen to a rap song and try to live the lifestyle of the rapper in that song, how easily influenced are you ?  Also some of these youngings need to go look in the mirror and realize how ridicilous they look wearing the s**tthey wear.  Yea u might think u look ballin, but anytime u step out of your hood everyone is just laughing at you.  

blame it on the south

She should be ashamed of herself, tyler perry plays a woman that shoots up everything & gets ghetto & vulger all through the movie, She slams hip-hop but passes out posters in her restaurant promoting the movie because she's in it. In that case take down the pictures of ja-rule,50 cent, Ludacris, Fredro starr & everybody else in your restuarant that's in the Hip-Hop industry. f**k that shit, & I Work there!

Real talk.  sad but overall true.

@ world champ

Its not just the south obviously, i am just pointing out biggest turd in the pile of shit.

Outlaw76 said:
And some of those damn Tyler Perry movies st our race back.  All that cooning and shucking and jiving.  She should comment on that.
September 17, 2009 11:48 AM

I agree with you that Tyler Perry character Madea is kind of a sterotype toward black grandmother's. But sometime he do talk about the younger black generation need to do better in representing our culture. You remember on family reunion when Cicely Tyson and Maya Angelou was preaching to the kids about the girls wearing tight revealing clothing and the men having kids by the  women and abandoning the woman, to leave the kids to be raised alone by the woman. At least he try to keep a little balance, that's all I'm saying.

Why stick with a black woman that wont put up with your shit, when you can get a white girl thats more than willing to drive your bum ass around and give u half her paycheck etc etc etc.

I understand what she is saying and I agree with some of it, but to make a blanket statement about Hip Hop is wrong. There are artists like Talib Kweli, Lupe Fiasco who are not making songs that degrade women. It's just that the negative artists and music gets all the attention.

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I think Tyler Perry movies are hit and miss. That Maya Angelou/Cicely Tyson scene in Family Reunion was on point but it's not like he has those moments in all of his movies. I honestly think his TV shows House of Payne and Meet the Browns are garbage.

Why Did I get Married was his best movie in my opinion because for once it was balanced.

@world champ

Come on man, I was born and raised in the South and i live in Dallas now; if anything NWA came out cursing and degrading women, they didn't come from the South. You can't put everything on the South homie.

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ANYBODY blaming the SOUTH really needs to kill themselves by raping themselves with broom stick while playing Russian Roulette... its been vulgar stuff outta the North as well... remember Akinyele?  Besides trying to figure out whose fault is it, the lady is right... and some of the ppl in these comments are right.  And when you add it up, it all equals that our CULTURE is f**ked up... as a WHOLE... so from the Tyler Perry plays to Hip-Hop to the Blaxploitation flicks of the 60's, we really have have to re-evaluate the way we think and act.

thats b.s. why is hiphop the only music that has to be clean? a rappers says b***h he sets us back, denzel says b***h he gets an oscar. wtf. so you can say n***a in a movie, but not on a record? bulls**t. you can say well they just acting. and if thats thats the case rapers are just talking. look at all these movies that use the same content as rappers use, but f**k the rapper, and praise the movie star right? yall have been brainwashed to beleive that hiphop is bad, thats its wrong. i don't care what people say hiphop is a great form of expression. n***as get on the mic and say it how they feel it, and thats what makes it great. for someone to say all rap did was set us back, and disrespect women is sad. i wish me generation would stand up for its self. like jay said "scarface the movie did more than scarface the rapper to me". have some balls young world do you really think that everthing we do is that fucked up? i'm sick of old people downing the kids. f**k what they think. hiphop never killed any body i know, hiphop never robbed me, hiphop never pulled me over and harrased me. think about this dudes wanted to be like tony montana, and not scarface the rapper. blame hiphop for everything. i hate when i hear older folks say that shit. on some real s**tif you don't like it don't listen. movies are more worse than anything a rapper could say. think when your kid is 3 or 4 they really can't process what a rapper is saying, but they look at t.v and and see someone shooting another person. they start to imitate what they see, before what they hear. so its cool for movies stars to get paid off the same content that these rappers rap about.wtf. don't be a follower be a leader.  1982 STAND UP AND STAND OUT.

thats b.s. why is hiphop the only music that has to be clean? a rappers says b***h he sets us back, denzel says b***h he gets an oscar. wtf. so you can say n***a in a movie, but not on a record? bulls**t. you can say well they just acting. and if thats thats the case rapers are just talking. look at all these movies that use the same content as rappers use, but f**k the rapper, and praise the movie star right? yall have been brainwashed to beleive that hiphop is bad, thats its wrong. i don't care what people say hiphop is a great form of expression. n***as get on the mic and say it how they feel it, and thats what makes it great. for someone to say all rap did was set us back, and disrespect women is sad. i wish me generation would stand up for its self. like jay said "scarface the movie did more than scarface the rapper to me". have some balls young world do you really think that everthing we do is that fucked up? i'm sick of old people downing the kids. f**k what they think. hiphop never killed any body i know, hiphop never robbed me, hiphop never pulled me over and harrased me. think about this dudes wanted to be like tony montana, and not scarface the rapper. blame hiphop for everything. i hate when i hear older folks say that shit. on some real s**tif you don't like it don't listen. movies are more worse than anything a rapper could say. think when your kid is 3 or 4 they really can't process what a rapper is saying, but they look at t.v and and see someone shooting another person. they start to imitate what they see, before what they hear. so its cool for movies stars to get paid off the same content that these rappers rap about.wtf. don't be a follower be a leader.  1982 STAND UP AND STAND OUT.

thats b.s. why is hiphop the only music that has to be clean? a rappers says b***h he sets us back, denzel says b***h he gets an oscar. wtf. so you can say n***a in a movie, but not on a record? bulls**t. you can say well they just acting. and if thats thats the case rapers are just talking. look at all these movies that use the same content as rappers use, but f**k the rapper, and praise the movie star right? yall have been brainwashed to beleive that hiphop is bad, thats its wrong. i don't care what people say hiphop is a great form of expression. n***as get on the mic and say it how they feel it, and thats what makes it great. for someone to say all rap did was set us back, and disrespect women is sad. i wish me generation would stand up for its self. like jay said "scarface the movie did more than scarface the rapper to me". have some balls young world do you really think that everthing we do is that fucked up? i'm sick of old people downing the kids. f**k what they think. hiphop never killed any body i know, hiphop never robbed me, hiphop never pulled me over and harrased me. think about this dudes wanted to be like tony montana, and not scarface the rapper. blame hiphop for everything. i hate when i hear older folks say that shit. on some real s**tif you don't like it don't listen. movies are more worse than anything a rapper could say. think when your kid is 3 or 4 they really can't process what a rapper is saying, but they look at t.v and and see someone shooting another person. they start to imitate what they see, before what they hear. so its cool for movies stars to get paid off the same content that these rappers rap about.wtf. don't be a follower be a leader.  1982 STAND UP AND STAND OUT.

thats b.s. why is hiphop the only music that has to be clean? a rappers says b***h he sets us back, denzel says b***h he gets an oscar. wtf. so you can say n***a in a movie, but not on a record? bulls**t. you can say well they just acting. and if thats thats the case rapers are just talking. look at all these movies that use the same content as rappers use, but f**k the rapper, and praise the movie star right? yall have been brainwashed to beleive that hiphop is bad, thats its wrong. i don't care what people say hiphop is a great form of expression. n***as get on the mic and say it how they feel it, and thats what makes it great. for someone to say all rap did was set us back, and disrespect women is sad. i wish me generation would stand up for its self. like jay said "scarface the movie did more than scarface the rapper to me". have some balls young world do you really think that everthing we do is that fucked up? i'm sick of old people downing the kids. f**k what they think. hiphop never killed any body i know, hiphop never robbed me, hiphop never pulled me over and harrased me. think about this dudes wanted to be like tony montana, and not scarface the rapper. blame hiphop for everything. i hate when i hear older folks say that shit. on some real s**tif you don't like it don't listen. movies are more worse than anything a rapper could say. think when your kid is 3 or 4 they really can't process what a rapper is saying, but they look at t.v and and see someone shooting another person. they start to imitate what they see, before what they hear. so its cool for movies stars to get paid off the same content that these rappers rap about.wtf. don't be a follower be a leader.  1982 STAND UP AND STAND OUT.

thats b.s. why is hiphop the only music that has to be clean? a rappers says b***h he sets us back, denzel says b***h he gets an oscar. wtf. so you can say n***a in a movie, but not on a record? bulls**t. you can say well they just acting. and if thats thats the case rapers are just talking. look at all these movies that use the same content as rappers use, but f**k the rapper, and praise the movie star right? yall have been brainwashed to beleive that hiphop is bad, thats its wrong. i don't care what people say hiphop is a great form of expression. n***as get on the mic and say it how they feel it, and thats what makes it great. for someone to say all rap did was set us back, and disrespect women is sad. i wish me generation would stand up for its self. like jay said "scarface the movie did more than scarface the rapper to me". have some balls young world do you really think that everthing we do is that fucked up? i'm sick of old people downing the kids. f**k what they think. hiphop never killed any body i know, hiphop never robbed me, hiphop never pulled me over and harrased me. think about this dudes wanted to be like tony montana, and not scarface the rapper. blame hiphop for everything. i hate when i hear older folks say that shit. on some real s**tif you don't like it don't listen. movies are more worse than anything a rapper could say. think when your kid is 3 or 4 they really can't process what a rapper is saying, but they look at t.v and and see someone shooting another person. they start to imitate what they see, before what they hear. so its cool for movies stars to get paid off the same content that these rappers rap about.wtf. don't be a follower be a leader.  1982 STAND UP AND STAND OUT.

She's absolutely correct !! Love isn't hot in Hip Hop music. Hate is more dominant. You hate on rappers that show respect to our women, calling them soft !! You don't want an artist to grow and change, so all of a sudden talking about God, raising children, having a family can't be talked about on a consistent basis. As much as fans claim they want to hear something different, a different state of mind, when it's dropped, you ignore it.

TOHN007 said:
I understand what she is saying and I agree with some of it, but to make a blanket statement about Hip Hop is wrong. There are artists like Talib Kweli, Lupe Fiasco who are not making songs that degrade women. It's just that the negative artists and music gets all the attention

That's why i said it's a unequal balance. They don't get the shine like Gucci Mane,Lil Wayne, 50 cent etc......

“It definitely has not elevated us as African-Americans, because we show disrespect for our partners, men and women,” Knight stated. “I believe we have lowered our self-esteem with these performances and presentations.”

I can definitely respect where she's coming from with this statement

When 1st I saw  this headline... i was like WOW.... but to a certain degree I have to agree wit her.... productionwise, hip hop has progressed by leaps n bounds.... flows, lyrical structure, album arrangement, song structure, marketing, communication, profit margin, making street kids into businessmen in the industry have all progressed..

What hasn't progressed is lyrical content.... it has progressed, as to finding a niche that makes rap more profitable... but as far as what it has taught & is teaching the younger generation... the bar hasn't moved very much, and at the same time I don't see it changing ever... unless some one can make going to school sound intriguing & exciting...

Everyone loved Arnold Schwarzenegger in Commando & Terminator... Not so much in Kindergarten Cop

I agree wit ThePrince...."blame the culture for the music"

even tho, i feel she hasnt listened to enough rap to really give that answer...u have to respect it. if u dont even understand a portion of what she is sayin, then i feel u are really lost as an individual.

this aint the late 80's early 90's where it was ablance of music on the radio.

9/10if it hits the radio..its has no moralistic value.

real spill gladys...one of my fav singers of all time.

Not only is she beautiful, but she's speaking the truth. She can attest to the power of Hip Hop and as I sit and wonder what happened to Hip Hops shortcoming's and what can we as fans do about it... Gladys is able to speak to way-more people than I can. I guess the artists we support have to be told the fans don't like the messages they push. The beats are hot and make you move but the message is so mixed. I don't know what I wish... but I do love Hip Hop more than anything. The truth hurts.

It takes 2 hours to watch a movie, while 3 minutes to listen to a song.  Music is more accesible than movies, plus Denzel actually has something called talent where as most of the rappers today are just talking to be talking and aint talking about shit.  She didnt say nothing about oh hip hop is evil dont listen to it, you taking what she said the wrong way did you even read her comments?  Of course hip hop never robbed you, or pulled you over hip hop isnt a living breathing entity that can materialize itself in the physical world man lol.  What did get you pulled over was, probably bumping some wack ass rapper loud as hell, and sitting about 34 feet back from the steering wheel and pimpin out a 3 dollar toyota celica with 8000 dollars worth of enhancements.


Yes hip hop is a great form of expression all music is, but when the dipstick behind the mic putting a cd with 14 songs and all 14 songs are the exact same crap it waters down the genre and just makes it look bad.  Reason Talib kweli and other actual mc's dont move units is cause youth dont wanna hear nothing about being positive and improving themselves theyd rather look up to wack clowns like lil wayne and lil boosie and soulja boy.  Just take a look at white kids that listen to these clowns for the most part they take them for they are, rappers.  You dont for the most part see them living the lifestyle of rapper unlike black teenagers who cant seem to discern the difference between a song and real life.

She's right and we all have sinned.it's the companies more than the artist but,now we're in this cycle where we don't know where reality and art start and end.The hood being bad made hip hop but,now being bad is making hip hop.We went from shouting bout injustice to taking part in it.HIP HOP SUCKS d**k ON A COMMERCIAL LEVEL.They want us to be dumb stupid coon niggers.They need us to be dumd cuz if we ever trully woke up,we would know things are very very wrong.It's not all hip hop's fault but,at this point even as a die hard hip hop fan and artist I can't stand up for the this shit

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I love hip hop, but it's alot of bulls**t that get spins on the radio. Like it's a song on the radio where i live called "Mr. hit that Hoe".

 
"world champ said:
blame it on the south
September 17, 2009 11:55 AM"

Wow... that statement has nothing to do wit nothing... b4 the South there was Too Live Crew, NWA & Too Short out here on the West... b4 them there was Fatback, Petey Wheatstraw, Richard Pryor Redd Foxx & Millie Jackson ... all these people drew influences frum the streets mayne.... what they saw

@worldchamp

HIP-HOP as a whole is to blame!!! All coasts!!! East Coast jus as fucked up. 50 cent and G-unit watered down the East coast single-handedly with his bulls**t, ditto for Jim Jones and the dips, Ron Browz, etc. I admit we got some bulls**t in the south, but its wack rap all over the country. Stop tryin to blame the south for hip-hop's mediocreness, and let's come together to find a solution. Nuff respect to Gladys Knight, a legend in her own right.

GLADYS IS ENTITLED TO HER OWN THOUGHTS BUT...MUSIC..HIPHOP...ROCK...ALL GENRES ARE A WORK OF SELF EXPRESSIONS. AND IF PEOPLE WANNA TALK ABOUT A "BLACK WOMAN LOST GO AHEAD"...IF THEY WANNA TALK BOUT "TIP DRILLS GO AHEAD" AT THE END OF THE DAY THATS WHAT PEOPLE HAVE EXPEREICNED OR WANNA EXPERIENCE AND THATS WHAT THEY WANNA PUT IN THEIR MUSIC...WHETHER ITS FAKE OR REAL...RESPECT THE CULTURE BY NOT MAKING BAD PRESS BUT PULLING THE ARTIST TO THE SIDE AND LETTING THEM KNOW HOW THEY COULD MAKE THE BLACK RACE LOOK MORE UPSTANDING WHETHER IT BE MUSIC OR ANY WITH ANY OTHER ACTIVITIES

GLADYS IS ENTITLED TO HER OWN THOUGHTS BUT...MUSIC..HIPHOP...ROCK...ALL GENRES ARE A WORK OF SELF EXPRESSIONS. AND IF PEOPLE WANNA TALK ABOUT A "BLACK WOMAN LOST GO AHEAD"...IF THEY WANNA TALK BOUT "TIP DRILLS GO AHEAD" AT THE END OF THE DAY THATS WHAT PEOPLE HAVE EXPEREICNED OR WANNA EXPERIENCE AND THATS WHAT THEY WANNA PUT IN THEIR MUSIC...WHETHER ITS FAKE OR REAL...RESPECT THE CULTURE BY NOT MAKING BAD PRESS BUT PULLING THE ARTIST TO THE SIDE AND LETTING THEM KNOW HOW THEY COULD MAKE THE BLACK RACE LOOK MORE UPSTANDING WHETHER IT BE MUSIC OR ANY WITH ANY OTHER ACTIVITIES

loch121 said:
She's right and we all have sinned.it's the companies more than the artist but,now we're in this cycle where we don't know where reality and art start and end.The hood being bad made hip hop but,now being bad is making hip hop.We went from shouting bout injustice to taking part in it.HIP HOP SUCKS d**k ON A COMMERCIAL LEVEL.They want us to be dumb stupid coon niggers.They need us to be dumd cuz if we ever trully woke up,we would know things are very very wrong.It's not all hip hop's fault but,at this point even as a die hard hip hop fan and artist I can't stand up for the this shit

> Exactly!

I won't say whether she's right or wrong. I will say I DO respect my elders so I will be a bit moderated and mild with my comment. (Besides "neither one of us" is my jooooooooooooint!)

I think that the degradation in the black culture began long before hip hop. As was said before, I could see degradation in blaxploitation films. Hip hop just exaserbated the situation.

I don't blame these old heads for pointing out whats wrong with our genre and generation, but my question to them is what have you don't to counteract the negativity or provide some form of balance? If all you have done is voice your opinion and you have the means to make a difference, shame on you. Do your part and make a change, don't just complain.

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how bout we do blame the south cuz they were only good till hiphop died..outkast facemobb, scarface geto boys goodie mob were bout the only good thing that happened to the south wether you want to admit it or not. yes theres bad artists from other coasts but not anywhere in comparison. remeber  post hiphop era from 02-06??wtf was that? that was embarassing is wat it was. it made every other human on earth look at rap music and just laugh. it degraded itself and all the fancy bling and wack lyrics came from the new generation of the south so thank you guys very much. nas said hiphop died for a reason  that reason was soon proved to be cuz the SOUTH killed hiphop and so did soulja boy ice t was right and shouldnt of apologized either but at the end of the day kRS Jay Nas Spice 1 sit at home and shake their heads when they look at the game now and wat it was so once again blame it on the south

f**k ANY AND EVERYBODY THAT HAS A PROBLEM WITH THIS GENRE. RAP MUSIC HAS DONE MORE FOR RACE RELATIONS THEN ANY GENRE YOU CAN NAME. THESE OLD SCHOOL ARTIST ALWAYS GOT SOME NEGITIVE s**tTO SAY BOUT RAP. IF THEY SEE A PROBLEM MAYBE THEY SHOULD FIND AWAY TO HELP IF THEY CARE, IF NOT SHUT THE f**k UP. OH YEA SOME OF YOU NIGGGA'S ON HERE ARE BI-ATCH YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE f**k NIGGGA.

Outlaw76 said:
 liquidswords95 said:
A true Legend, She speaking the truth for the most part. I agree with Power_720, show respect for her, she is our elder and she is entitled to her opinion. It's a unequal balance, it's way more negative hip hop that degrade our culture; than it is positive hip hop that uplift out culture.
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^^^^^You confused me with your reply...

You said it's not imbalance, but then you said negative has a bigger stage?

How is that NOT imbalance?



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She's absolutely right about what she's saying, but I'll go back to what Liquidsword said...

No balance.

Take a look back at early hip-hop...

Way more balance...

The majors are killing hip-hop...to sell a quick $$$.

And our artists want to eat, so they're putting out what the majors want.

Case in point...Kanye.

Kanye's early stuff had way more "message" to it than his stuff now.  You can tell it's an internal fight for him with the limelight vs. being true to himself.  I like Kanye...but right now, the limelight is winning.

Listen to his lyrics, tho...he's always been battling that...

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Goodluck on your aspirations to be a douche bag.

Of course and young n***a coming from the mid 80's to early 90's wouldn't understand where she is coming from and no one that is in the game Local or Major would understand where she coming from - she ain't lying she is telling the truth. It hasn't done nothing for US only the indiviual performing their art work.

I am glad to hear from her and I respect what she said.

I'm just waiting on some 17-year-old to hop on here and say some dumb sh*t like "Aww, f*ck her. She just hating>"

WHY WORRY ABOUT PASSING THE BLAME?? IT IS WHAT IT IS..BUT I AGREE THOSE TYLER PERRY SHOWS SET US BACC MORE THAN MUSICE DOES. AT LEAST YOU HAVE TO GO AND BY CD'S TO HEAR CURSING AND DEGRADING WOMEN, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TURN ON THE T.V. TO SEE ALL THAT SHUCCING AND JIVING THEY DO ON THAT DAMN SHOW...LOL

2 LIVE CREW FROM THE SOUTH.

When those 70's movie came out - they had to do what they had in order to get seen - it ain't like that nowadays.

emcees were going to sample or music with or without her permission ( Jacking for beats).

The problems in our community has grown deeper and scarier each and every day - yeah problem occured always but this genre of music help make them worse - music is motivation, even without a donation.  We all know she is right, it ain't going to change no time soon but she is right.

I respect Gladys Knight as an elder so if she feels that way I can understand.

The problem that I have is that our elders have to take some responsiblities for what's going on with their youth. The people dancing, rapping and making this "vulgar" music are the ages of her grandchildren and children. What part did her generation do?

Her generation's Papa's were "Rolling Stones", which created a lot of broken homes. With that being said, that cycle kept spinning and these kids without fathers looked for the father figure within the streets.

The true essence of Hip Hip was to take the kids away from gangs and that fast life and focus their talents and energy into music, dancing, djying , fashion etc. Hip Hop is doing that. It is making a person from the hood become a "CEO" of his own company.

The ugly side of this is, some drug dealers that got into hip hop to stop drug dealing make music that sells drugs, which make square lames from the burbs or from rich homes turn into drug dealers just because their favorite rapper said he did it.

Gladys Knight has every reason to complain but what is she doing to make this problem better?

@CarolinaCandee...

1st off.....Love that avi...

And I agree with you.  Degradation of our people happened LONG before hip-hop.  That's real.  

And hip-hop definitely ain't the only genre to blame...

But I do believe the imbalance as a few have said on here has contributed more to where hip-hop is headed more than anything else.  Someone spoke about how the influence of rap music has done more for race relations (I think it was you Dwill) than any other Genre?  How has it?

Don't get me wrong...I LOVE hip-hop...but lately, and I don't know if we should be calling most of the stuff coming out Hip-Hop, the content has been lacking.  I honestly haven't seen an "increase" per se in race relations either...just folks taking our music/style and marketing it to make money...

with barely any of it profiting US...

Way imbalanced in the music itself tho.  For all the cats that felt Kid 'N' Play, Heavy D, Hammer, etc....were squares...

They were also positive.  Somewhere along it became "cool" to kill each other, and "lame" to be positive to our fellow brother(s).  We need some more Public Enemies, X-Clans, etc...some PRO BLACK artists...

Because right now everything coming out is the same...lacking content...

I can see where Gladys is coming from...I really do.

And I'm not saying I don't listen to some of the same sh*t she's saying is foul...but I am "searching" for positivity in our music as well...

Tyler perrry sucks for real - he plays on lonely people esp. women emotion. He got these broads feeling themselves to much and did any of yall men stop and think about why he focus on black women so much but don't have a foundation in each major city to help them?

Mr. Perry really wants to be Mrs. Cherry - the n***a is gayer than the Gay boy Gangsta from the lockdown series on CNBC. " Check your local listing for time"!

n***a SAY FACEMOBB AND SCARFACE n***a IT'S THE SAME PERSON. I AM SURE YOU WERE NOT LISTENING TO RAP WHEN IT WAS A GROUP 15 YEARS AGO. USE A BI-ATCH THAT DON'T KNOW SHIT. f**k YOUR BI-ATCH ASS MOMMA AND DADDY FOR CREATING A BUM ASS n***a. YOU LOVE THE SOUTH THAT'S WHY IT'S ALWAYS IN YOUR MOUTH.

You cant blame just the music alone.  The willie lynch syndrone has be embedded in us since slavery. the only way to overcome this is by teaching our youth to love one another.  they got us messed up:  Men vs Women, Light vs Darkskin, Rich vs Poor.  Divide and conquer.  Music is just entertainment like television is. I think television need to changed cause it brainwashes us.  I would go further but i dont want to preach.

  BIGEAST76CIDE said:
@WORLDCHAMP

LISTEN HOMIE LET ME BREAK IT DOWN FOR YOU. I USE TO WORK AT MLK HOSPITAL BACC IN THE DAY WORKING IN PEDIATRICS WHEN I MET C.P.O (BOSS HOGG). ME AND HOGG USE TO FLOW AND WRITE SONGS AT WORK AND SINCE MY WORD PLAY ALWAYS BEEN ON POINT THE HOMIE USE TO INVITE ME TO THE STUDIO WITH HIME WHEN SUGE BOOKED TIME FOR HIM AT CAN-AN STUDIO IN TARZANA (DEATH ROW STUDIO) SO WE CAN COLLAB ON MUSIC AND SHIT, COME UP WITH HOOKS AND SO FORTH. I DIDNT TAKE THE RAP s**tTOO SERIOUS AT THE TIME CUZ I WAS YOUNG BANGING AND CAUGHT UP IN THE STREET LIFE EVEN THOUGH I WAS SMART ENUFF TO MAINTAIN A 9 TO 5 TO FINANCE MY STREET HUSTLE.

ONE DAY THIS n***a WAS DRIVING ON THE 110 FREEWAY AND GOT INTO AN ACCIDENT AND FLIPPED HIS TRUCC. WHILE HE WAS WAITIG FOR HIS s**tTO GET REPAIRD ,SINCE WE WAS CLOSE I USED TO GO TO HIS CRIB IN COMPTON AND PICC HIM UP AND TAKE HIM UP THERE SO HE CAN GET DOWN.

CAN-AM STUDIO HAD LIKE 3 OR 4 DIFFERENT STUDIOS AND WHENEVER WE ROLLED UP THERE I WOULD SEE ALL THOSE DEATH ROW CATS HANGING OUT OR WORKING (MOSTLY HANGING OUT). ANY GIVEN DAY ID RUN INTO DJ QUIC,KURUPT,DANNY BOY, AND A FEW OTHER CATS. I NEVER MET DRE UP THERE CUZ HE DIDNT REALLY LIKE TO HANG OUT UP THERE IN THAT ATMOSPHER BUT I CHOPPED IT UP WITH SUGE ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING GOOD CREDIT (LOL) AND ME AND KURUPT FLOWED A COUPLE TIMES IN BETWEEN BLUNTS (THIS n***a STOLE ONE OF MY BARS AND USED IN A SONG!!)

THEY USE TO ONLY GIVE MY n***a HOGG TIME LIKE ON SUNDAY MORNINGS OR SOME FUCCED UP HOURS THAT NOBODY ELSE WANTED BUT WHENEVER HE GOT THAT CALL HE'D HIT ME AND ID COME SCOOP AND I'D GRAB MY HEAT,SOME WEED,AND SOME DRANK AND WE'D PUSH UP THERE. (THE HEAT WAS JUST IN CASE SOMETHING JUMPED WITH THEM BLOOD n***as SINCE I WAS ON SOME BANGING s**tBACC THEN) ONE DAY THE ENGINEER CALLED HIM AND SAID HE'D BEEN SCHEDULED FOR 3:00PM ON A SUNDAY. SO WHEN HOGG CALLED UP THERE AND TOLD THE RECEPTIONIST TOLD HIM THAT TUPAC WAS UP THERE TODAY. AT THIS TIME WE ALL THOUGHT HE WAS IN JAIL AND IT TURNED OUT THAT HE HAD BEEN RELEASED LIKE THE NIGHT BEFORE OR SOME SHIT! PAC GOT ON THE PHONE AND WAS LIKE YALL n***as COME UP HERE AND GETS TO WORK. THATS THE DAY I WAS TALKING ABOUT, LIKE I SAID WHEN WE GOT UP THERE THEY DID THAT "PICTURE ME ROLLING" TRACC AND WE JUST KICCED IT AND CHOPPED IT UP FOR THE NEXT 5 HOURS SMOKING AND DRINKING.

HE WAS COOL AS HELL AND HE PUT ME UP ON A LOT OF s**tAND YEAH I DID ASK HIM WHY HE WAS FUCCING WITH SUGE AND ALL THESE BLOOD n***as. I PROBALLY CAUGHT HIM IN A TALKATIVE MODE SINCE HE JUST TOUCHED DOWN SO I WAS ABLE TO PICC HIS BRAIN A LITTLE ABOUT WHERE HE WAS MENTALLY. THE ONLY THING I DIDNT DO WAS ASK FOR A PIC WITH HIM (I DIDNT WANT TO BE ON NO GROUPIE SHIT) SO WE JUST LEFT IT AT THAT...
September 17, 2009 12:11 PM  

Nah, she aint hating she pulling nigaz cards

Have you seen 106 & Park lately?

She may have a POINT

lol

oNe

liquidswords95 said:
I love hip hop, but it's alot of bulls**t that get spins on the radio. Like it's a song on the radio where i live called "Mr. hit that Hoe".

Mr Hit that Hoe, I dont wanna give it promo but I bet they gave it a dope beat (waste) and the kids are diggin it, hopefully not. Hip-Hop really needs to take a stance, when something like that gets played we should flood the radio station and record label with letters and if you can't write, call em!

OH YEAH f**k BOTH YOUR GRAND PARENTS FOR CREATING BOTH YOUR PARENTS.



QUIT HATING DA SOUTH

sometimes vulgar is based on the truth... some stories are vulgar and happens everyday in black hispanic, and other minority communities.  i do however agree with a lot of things she did mention, but taking the freedom of expression in music which is art should not be taken away from the artist....

Unfortunately she's right to a degree...." True Talk.

nercity07 said:
I respect Gladys Knight as an elder so if she feels that way I can understand.

The problem that I have is that our elders have to take some responsiblities for what's going on with their youth. The people dancing, rapping and making this "vulgar" music are the ages of her grandchildren and children. What part did her generation do?

Her generation's Papa's were "Rolling Stones", which created a lot of broken homes. With that being said, that cycle kept spinning and these kids without fathers looked for the father figure within the streets.

The true essence of Hip Hip was to take the kids away from gangs and that fast life and focus their talents and energy into music, dancing, djying , fashion etc. Hip Hop is doing that. It is making a person from the hood become a "CEO" of his own company.

The ugly side of this is, some drug dealers that got into hip hop to stop drug dealing make music that sells drugs, which make square lames from the burbs or from rich homes turn into drug dealers just because their favorite rapper said he did it.

Gladys Knight has every reason to complain but what is she doing to make this problem better?
September 17, 2009 12:48 PM


^^^^whattup Ner...

I like this thread, because there is actually some conscious conversations going on that make sense...

In regards to what you posted...

From a side of the music that is being put out now vs. back in Gladys' hey day...I don't feel like we can fault them.  I know you used "Papa Was A Rolling Stone" as an example, but I don't feel like that song was "glorifying" the father's not being there (I could be wrong, but I don't get that message from that song).  At the same time, they definitely had music that would be deemed "questionable" to the message and what not (I don't know why, but "I BE STROKIN" always comes to mind...lol).

But think about the AMOUNT of music that was positive vs. negative back then.  The content of the music...the message(s) in the music.  I love my people...I love Hip-Hop...I love Rap...but the balance really ain't there.  Whatever happened to "We're All In The Same Gang" type tracks, or "Self Destruction" (which was a message that was extremely overlooked after the fact).  We don't get those tracks anymore...not to the MASSES.

And the CEO thing...

Really?

How many CEO's we got?  Technically, they are all CEO's of their careers, but these cats don't know how to run a business.  We can't say Jay or whoever, because that's definitely not the norm.  The majority of these artists ain't even making good $$$ from hip-hop.  They still in the streets (i.e...Look at Beanie Sigel).  

Don't get me wrong...I know there is a "war on hip-hop" from the outside world...but we gotta look in the mirror too.  Hip-Hop has been "pimped out", and her pu$$ is gettin' raggedy man.  Mainstream Hip-Hop only has one message nowadays...

Destruction of our people...

There's no balance...

Gladys is right...

First off...respect and love to Gladys Knight!  She's a black queen.

While I don't agree with her completely, she does have a great point.  The stories that are told in 90% of mainstream Hip Hop music are potentially derogatory to African Americans as a whole.  I'll give her that.

But my question is...what is SHE doing about it?  People are quick to talk the talk, but take no action!  She's black and knows what its like to be black!  She knows about our struggle and opposition (both physically and mentally), but when was the last time she took an up-and-coming singer under her wing and mentored them...and groomed them to be productive and classy?  

Scarface said it best in "Who Do You Believe In"...."Now the old folks mad cause they kids is lost / But how you expect for us to teach when all you did was talk?"  

I love Gladys but...didn't SHE sign off on those clearances when rappers wanted to sample her??????  She wasn't slamming Hip Hop then...she was focused on that dollar, right?

Our problems as a community is deeper than Hip Hop.  Sure, mainstream Hip Hop plays a big factor in it, but slamming it isn't gonna solve anything.  What we need is for people to come together and work together.  

Now i will say our elders is quick to point out what's wrong with our generation, but the same things was happening in the 50's and 60's, that's happening now. The men use to cheat and abuse their wives, the men had several children out of wedlock, therefore leaving the kids to be raised by a single parent. So when the men growup, they don't know what it's like to be a man. Most hip hop artist came from a single parent home. Like someone said earlier "Pappa was a rolling Stone" rings so true. So our generation is the product of the broken household's, it's a neverending cycle, that's one of the reason's i got married, so my daughter can see a strong family structure, cause that's the foundation.

Gladys who???

Get the f**k outta here.

American society is fucko.
Can't blame Hip-Hop for that.

if you grow up seeing foul s**tall your life is it wrong for wanting to talk about it. or should we be ignored? you have to respect where every person is coming from. i'm not saying hiphop is all positive, i'm just saying that nothing is all positive. everthing in life have greats and losers. so for hiphop to be only judged off its down falls is not fair or right. what do you people want from these guys? hiphop will never die, bcuz its reality, and people are always gonna relate to it for the most part. i think all of it is a art form, and just bcuz soulja boy don't do it like jay z don't make him whack. think about this. im about to show yall how backwards you are. jay z started out talking about the hustler he was and all the dope he used to push right? soulja boy started out making you dance and having a good time right? but yall say soulja boy is killing hiphop? what is the messege? think about what you are saying, and look at what you are doing it's backwards. its like yall are setting hiphop up to always fail.  use your own head. you glorify the dopeman and s**ton the kid. thats wack to me. i like it all. i just understand that its entertainment and from jay z to soulja boy people are being entertained. jay z does it for me and soulja boy does it for my kids. support game. 1982

  world champ said:
blame it on the south

Come on man you cant totally blame the south of course its some real lame music even I cant stand from the south but not all of it. Im from NC and I grew up on the Ney York hip hop, but to blame the entire south thats rediculous. Just because of the music some artist put out is trash you cant blame the whole region. Trick Daddy been on some real talk since he came out they just used the negative songs to promote him. Andre 3 stacks said it best the south always got something to say and will always have a say.

Glady's knight don't even listen to hip hop unless its an old Hammer tape or some Tone Loc. Not to dis her but why is she dissing a whole genre when there is plenty of lyrical substance from underground artists and mainstream Mc's like Pharoah Monch, Talib, Gza, Mos Def, and plenty of other Mc's. Old schoolers can't dig into the genre but they can pick up what's on the radio quick enough to blame rap on holding black people back. What is holding black people back is low education rates, homelessness, the economy, little to no job opportunity, and a high jail rate with no chance of getting a job with felonies. We have to employ and get money ourselves so the music got flodded with bulls**t and they blame rap music for black people's downfall but she need to look at the industry she helped create cause its them sucka ass record labels that's cooning n***as out and she is as responsible as some of the stupid ass rappers cause she empowered the idiots running the labels these days.

It's definitely not the South's fault.

Stop the region hating...

That imbalance of hate music is across the whole country...if we really think about it...

East, West, Midwest, South

Feels like our music is the only music that pimps out it's women, kills it's fellow man, cusses in every other sentence, and ultimately prescribes self-hate...

And we know it's not ALL the music, but it sure is ALL the mainstream music.  The music our kids grow up to...

We gotta do better...

We need some positive acts...

Demrydiren-

IF I EVER SAW YOUR LAME ASS, I WOULD PULL OUT THIS HEAVY MEAT AND SLAP YOU ACROSS THE FOREHEAD WITH IT



I DONT CARE IF YOUR GRANDMOTHER IS RIGHT NEXT TO US



ID PROBABLY PUT MY BALLS ON HER SHOULDER AND BEAT OFF WHILE FINGERING HER WRINKLED BOOTYHOLE

I respect Gladys and all that but how can she say it didn't uplift African Americans???

You got rappers who come from nothing and can now afford to help out their families and send their children to school so they don't have to continue the cycle of poverty and crime - what did SHE do for African Americans???

I'm tired of people saying rappers have to be sorry for speaking on real life shit - there's way more ghettos than there are upper class neighborhoods all over the country and who's coming to help??  Not Gladys that's for sure... opinions are like a-holes everybody has one and this is just another one

 DaWildchild said:
Glady's knight don't even listen to hip hop unless its an old Hammer tape or some Tone Loc. Not to dis her but why is she dissing a whole genre when there is plenty of lyrical substance from underground artists and mainstream Mc's like Pharoah Monch, Talib, Gza, Mos Def, and plenty of other Mc's. Old schoolers can't dig into the genre but they can pick up what's on the radio quick enough to blame rap on holding black people back. What is holding black people back is low education rates, homelessness, the economy, little to no job opportunity, and a high jail rate with no chance of getting a job with felonies. We have to employ and get money ourselves so the music got flodded with bulls**t and they blame rap music for black people's downfall but she need to look at the industry she helped create cause its them sucka ass record labels that's cooning n***as out and she is as responsible as some of the stupid ass rappers cause she empowered the idiots running the labels these days.
September 17, 2009 1:05 PM  


^^^You have a lot of truth in this post...

The labels are definitely cooning out the artists...

And you named some on point MC's...although some of them are just as guilty.

Again, we don't have any mainstream positive acts...Mos Def, but he's more known to the WORLD for acting than rap (fa real)...

WE know about Mos, but he don't go platinum...

He don't be on BET/MTV everyday...

AND FOR THE RECORD, THE SOUTH KILLED HIP HOP

I think "slams hip-hop music" is kinda harsh.  From the title of the article I thought she pulled a "Cosby."  But what she says is totally true and she did acknowledge that it has also created opportunities for a lot of young artists too.  

she's right and should speak her opinion

RT #JayZisOverhyped Jay-Z #whatnottowear, Good Old NES Games #twitmovie #PastorFreshsays Kanye West #theoffice

Kappagem said:
nercity07 said:
I respect Gladys Knight as an elder so if she feels that way I can understand.

The problem that I have is that our elders have to take some responsiblities for what's going on with their youth. The people dancing, rapping and making this "vulgar" music are the ages of her grandchildren and children. What part did her generation do?

Her generation's Papa's were "Rolling Stones", which created a lot of broken homes. With that being said, that cycle kept spinning and these kids without fathers looked for the father figure within the streets.

The true essence of Hip Hip was to take the kids away from gangs and that fast life and focus their talents and energy into music, dancing, djying , fashion etc. Hip Hop is doing that. It is making a person from the hood become a "CEO" of his own company.

The ugly side of this is, some drug dealers that got into hip hop to stop drug dealing make music that sells drugs, which make square lames from the burbs or from rich homes turn into drug dealers just because their favorite rapper said he did it.

Gladys Knight has every reason to complain but what is she doing to make this problem better?
September 17, 2009 12:48 PM


^^^^whattup Ner...

I like this thread, because there is actually some conscious conversations going on that make sense...

In regards to what you posted...

From a side of the music that is being put out now vs. back in Gladys' hey day...I don't feel like we can fault them.  I know you used "Papa Was A Rolling Stone" as an example, but I don't feel like that song was "glorifying" the father's not being there (I could be wrong, but I don't get that message from that song).  At the same time, they definitely had music that would be deemed "questionable" to the message and what not (I don't know why, but "I BE STROKIN" always comes to mind...lol).

But think about the AMOUNT of music that was positive vs. negative back then.  The content of the music...the message(s) in the music.  I love my people...I love Hip-Hop...I love Rap...but the balance really ain't there.  Whatever happened to "We're All In The Same Gang" type tracks, or "Self Destruction" (which was a message that was extremely overlooked after the fact).  We don't get those tracks anymore...not to the MASSES.

And the CEO thing...

Really?

How many CEO's we got?  Technically, they are all CEO's of their careers, but these cats don't know how to run a business.  We can't say Jay or whoever, because that's definitely not the norm.  The majority of these artists ain't even making good $$$ from hip-hop.  They still in the streets (i.e...Look at Beanie Sigel).  

Don't get me wrong...I know there is a "war on hip-hop" from the outside world...but we gotta look in the mirror too.  Hip-Hop has been "pimped out", and her pu$$ is gettin' raggedy man.  Mainstream Hip-Hop only has one message nowadays...

Destruction of our people...

There's no balance...

Gladys is right...


-----------------------------

I don't agree. Media outlets like B.E.T. all the Hot97's, Clear Channels to even allhiphop.com don't talk about ALL of the hip hop culture, just the most popular. Are you telling me that Gladys Knight knows about Little Brother? No she just knows about LiL Wayne because it's popular. Hip Hop was NEVER intended to be Pop(ular). It was intended for what I said earlier to save the youth and keep them out of trouble. A lot of hip hop is doing that.

There are plenty of CEO's. Just because I'm CEO of a 4 person business that sells printers does that make me any less than the person that works for HP? I'm a CEO. So if somebody is a CEO of "I'll kick your ass records" they have the same title and responsibilities as any other CEO, if not more because they have to work much harder.

Black kids are catching up more in hi tech just because of Hip hop technology.

As for the music that they made, Once again, young kids are bad more because of their family structure than rap music or the lure of the streets.

Pappa Was a Rolling Stone, Me & Mrs. Jones, Who's Making Love to Your Old Lady, are all relections of what elders were doing and had a bunch of children out of wedlock.

Look at Ray Charles! He was taking drugs, and banging mad females. Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Smokey Robinson, The Temptations, Four Tops probably a few Pips were too. Are you saying that those kids and grandchildren didn't run to hip hop?

And when they ran to hip hop did they not talk about their version of "Poppa Was a Rolling Stone" in raps?

Come on man, Pimps & Ho's came from a 70's style of the Mack and other movies. Foxy Brown was Pam Grier before Inga from Brooklyn.

Richard Pryor and Red Foxx have albums way more "Vulgar" than most rappers. The 70's, 80's & 90's listened to those albums when their parents weren't home, so now these elders are blaming the kids? s**tthey have a huge part to do with it.

There is balance, it's just not popular. And the elders have their part to do with it. So instead of her just blasting hip hop. Set up a summit with LiL Wayne, Jay-Z, other Southern Rappers and Game and Snoop and make some changes.

 
"dwill1 said:
2 LIVE CREW FROM THE SOUTH.
September 17, 2009 12:45 PM"

Tru...   if ya ask most Miami cats they claim the "The Bottom"  

Well.............

I mean what can you say? She's basically right. Of course we can name a plethora of more positive Hip Hop acts but when you turn on the radio or look at tv, that's definitely not what you're hearing so has a very valid point, I don't knock her opinion because she wasn't disrepectful with her opinion and she wasn't out right wrong, so just take it with a grain of salt you b***h ass n***as!

Ya'll peep this...

BILL COSBY - A MUST READ

The Reverend Jesse Jackson almost never gets

upstaged and I had never seen the Reverend

Jesse Louis Jackson cry in public until last month.

 Jackson invited Bill Cosby to the annual Rainbow /

PUSH conference for a conversation about the

controversial remarks the entertainer offered on

May 17 at an NAACP dinner in Washington , D.C.

when America 's Jell-O Man shook things up

by arguing that African Americans were betraying

the legacy of civil rights victories. Cosby said

'the lower economic people are not holding up their

end in this deal. These people are not parenting.

They are buying things for their kids. .

$500 sneakers for what? But they won't spend $200

for Hooked on Phonics!'

Bill Cosby came to town and upstaged the reverend

by going on the offense instead of defending his

earlier remarks. Thursday morning, Cosby showed

no signs of repenting as he strode across the stage

at the Sheraton Hotel ballroom before a standing

room only crowd. Sporting a natty gold sports coat

and dark glasses, he proceeded to unload a Laundry

list of black America 's self-imposed ills. The iconic

actor and comedian kidded that he couldn't compete

with the oratory of the Reverend but he preached

circles around Jackson in their nearly hour-long

conversation, delivering brutally frank one-liners

and the toughest of love.

The enemy, he argues, is us: "There is a time,

ladies and gentlemen, when we have to turn

the mirror around." Cosby acknowledged he wasn't

critiquing all blacks. . .. just the 50 percent of African

Americans in the lower economic neighborhood

who drop out of school, and the alarming proportions

of black men in prison and black teenage mothers.

The mostly black crowd seconded him with choruses

of Amens.

To the critics who pose, it's unproductive to air our

dirty laundry in public, he responds,

"Your dirty laundry gets out of school at 2:30 every day."

It's cursing on the way home, on the bus, train,

in the candy store. They are cursing and grabbing

each other and going nowhere. The book bag is very,

very thin because there's nothing in it.

Don't worry about the white man, he added.

I could care less about what white people think

about me. . . Let them talk.

What are they saying that is so different from what

their grandfathers said and did to us?

What is different is what we are doing to ourselves.

For those who say Cosby is just an elitist who's

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It's not just the poor-everybody's guilty."

Cosby and Jackson lamented that in the 50th years

of Brown vs. Board of Education, our failings betray

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recalled the financial struggles at Fisk University ,

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When Cosby was done, the 1,000 people in the room

all jumped to their feet in ovation.

We have shed tears too many times, at too many

watershed moments before, while the hopes they inspired

have fallen by the wayside. Not this time!

Cosby's plea to parents:

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Teach our children to speak English.

There's no such thing as "talking white".

When the teacher calls, show up at the school.

When the idiot box starts spewing profane rap videos;

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Teach our boys that women should be cherished,

not raped and demeaned.

Tell them that education is a prize we won with blood

and tears, not a dishonor.

Stop making excuses for the agents and abettors

of black on black crime.

It costs us nothing to do these things..

But if we don't, it will cost us infinitely more tears.

We all send thousands of jokes through e-mail

without a second thought, but when it comes

to sending messages regarding life choices,

people think twice about sharing.

The crude, vulgar, and sometimes the obscene

pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion

of decency is too often suppressed in the schools and

workplaces.

I passed this on... Will you?

f**k blaming the south, we ain't segregated no more. i hear people talk about the 70's and real music, like the temptations and all that, but there's always been vulgarities in music and life, that's why people like redd foxx and other comics had those records that sold to that audience, it ain't no diff in music. if u just peep what's on the surface then of course u will base your opinion on what u see, hear, etc. but really get underneath it, and you would hear people with that same passion for rapping that gladys has for singing. different eras, different times. if she spends the money from the check she gets off  hip hop artists who sampled her songs, then she's just as culprable, maybe to not such a high degree, but she fed into it too. and tyler perry does coon it up a bit wit the madea angle man, no matter how it balances out in certain films.

@ evenkill82

The difference between movies and music is that I’ve never seen Denzel on t.v. pretending that he’s Alonzo Harris (from Training Day) yelling bout he’s gonna send someone to Pelican Bay.  I’ve also never seen Hugh Jackman walking around with claws sticking out of his hands trying to convince people that he’s really Wolverine.  Whereas Officer Ricky seems to have convinced himself that he’s really a drug kingpin and 50 Cent contines to play the role of bad guy as well.  There is a definite line that is not crossed with movies that is not present in hip hop where the actor seperates himself from his role.  That is not the case with hip hop.  How many times have you heard a rapper say something to the effect of “I’m not a rapper, I’m a d-boy”, or repeatedly  try to convince their audience that their music isn’t simply entertainment but real life and then follow that up with playing up (or down) to the image that they attempt to portray.  

You can't blame the south for any of this, so stop it !! Onyx, MOP, 50 Cent = New York. NWA, Ice-t,Snoop= Cali. Eminem, Twista= Midwest. All together, it's Hip Hop. We as fans got to stop giving praise to bulls**t because we like their music.  We have to put OUR Emcees on Blast for the dumb s**tthey say or do on records and video. Gladys shouldn't have to open her mouth !! Our radio personalities and video personalities should !! I had no problem with FunkMaster Flex airing out R.Kelly because even though he sings, he reps Hip Hop also.

I LOVE AND RESPECT YOU MS. KNIGHT BUT I THINK WE FAILED AS PARENTS AND THE CRACK ERA THAT I'M FROM CONTRIBUTED. MUSIC IS WHAT IT IS. IF WE HAD A BETTER FOUNDATION FROM 1987-1997, THINGS WOULD BE DIFFERENT IN SOMEWAYS, BUT THEN ELDERS LIKE YOU (AND ME,BUT I'M NO WHERE NEAR YOU MA) WOULD HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT. IT'S LIFE, AND THAT'S WHAT MOST ELDERS DO, CHASTIES. LET'S START DOING AND STOP COMPLAINING. DON'T SUPPORT OVERLY VULGAR MUSIC AND STAY ON THESE MEDIA OUTLETS ASSES, THEY CAN'T SAY IT'S SELLING AT THIS POINT AND TIME. BUT IT'LL ALWAYS BE THERE REGARDLESS, JUST LIKE RAPIST, PEDIPHILES,GAYS,WHORES, PIMPS, KILLERS AND DRUG-DEALERS. OH, AND YOU ARE STILL TOP 5 FEMALE VOCALIST OF ALL-TIME TO ME. LOVE, PEACE, UNITY AND HAVING FUN. HIP-HOPS ORIGINAL INTENT.

Sure Bill has points on the [problem] but... he's trying to hit a baseball with a toothpick in regards to becoming an integral part of the [solution].." Anybody can talk s**tbut what happens after the s**ttalkin' is done?" two things either you're going to put up or shut up!" True Talk.BK Lives-SOLID.

MTV Africa Music Awards
will be hosted by Haitian born - US hip hop star, Wyclef Jean.
British and US musicians Jay-Z, wife Beyoncé, Kanye West, Akon, Green Day and Coldplay are expected to attend

its all by design that the quality of music thru the main stream is so ignorant and anti-uplifting. all the black uplifting music from the late 80s and 90s is no longer visible, its all underground.

Honestly What a B*tch...  She Lumps an entire Genre into one category.. I'm sick of her and Oprah and their self righteousness..  

Sorry she doesn’t get a pass.    

Now it's true rap has a lot of garbage and garbage groups.

Talk to the White A&R Executives that will only push their agenda and market certain groups.  Hip Hop could be policed overnight..

I'm 44 year old Havard Grad, I know whatz up!! Talk that bulls**t downtown...

Cats on here agreeing to disagree.  Look, just man up and respect her criticism.  It's some of yall youngins on here who don't even know Gladys Knight.  Hip Hop needs the criticism and maybe it will wake up.  To all yall cats going in on Tyler Perry..  Yeah ok.  Let's be honest.  All you wanna be thugs know you took ya lady or ya wife to see Tyler Perrys movies when they hit the theater so stop frontin.  Give the man credit.  He is a BLACK movie maker.  You don't like his tv shows then turn the channel.  If he aint got ya lady buggin you to take her to his movie on opening night, he definitely got her reading his books and that's 100.  Big Ups to Tyler and Gladys Knight.

DWILL U BE HAVING ME ROLLING HERE IN CLASS HAHAHHA

those execs only feed the garbage to the kids and that's what is interpreted as hot. give it six months and 106 & Park will have ice cream paint job as the old school joint of the day. here's an idea, how about play something like be a father to your child? i know they won't but damn.

Well, for the most part she is right.  Most of the Hip-Hop music is on the negative side.  But, there are rappers out there that put a positive spin in their music and experiences. But of course, the label executives are not going to put that out because it's not "marketable".  But most of us know that is BS.  You can't just go off of what's thrown on TV.  It's unfortunate that that's all the labels wanna push.  

On the flip side of things,  Ms. Gladys Knight wasn't exactly baby Jesus in her life. She has had multiple marriages, her first marriage was at 16. She sung the theme song "License To Kill"for a James Bond movie.  But we don't use this to make her any less of a person.  She has done many charity performances for AIDS research. Hip-Hop is a relatively new form of music.  Sure there is room for improvement and growth, nothing is perfect.  Instead of pointing fingers and chastising, reach out to some of these rap artists in question and school them, show them a different route.  Or better yet, start out a label with some positive acts, mold them into great artists and maybe change the game up.  But don't sit back and complain without offering any real solutions.  And that is said with the utmost respect.

  Kappagem said:
Outlaw76 said:
liquidswords95 said:
A true Legend, She speaking the truth for the most part. I agree with Power_720, show respect for her, she is our elder and she is entitled to her opinion. It's a unequal balance, it's way more negative hip hop that degrade our culture; than it is positive hip hop that uplift out culture.
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It's not an imbalance.  It's just like everything else, the negative side always has a bigger stage.  
September 17, 2009 11:47 AM


^^^^^You confused me with your reply...

You said it's not imbalance, but then you said negative has a bigger stage?

How is that NOT imbalance?
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What I mean by that is that there are just as many concious rappers out there (thats where the balance lies) but they only focus on the negative artists.  Case in point:  The VMA's had many rappers there.  There were good performances, no fights, but who have we been talking about for the last three days.  Kanye.  That's like saying there are no good players in the NFL bcuz of Pacman and Terelle Owens.  You always hear the worst but overall I think there is a balance of good and bad players.

I agree and disagree with Gladys Knight. She contributes to (Coonery) i.e. Tyler Perry movies/plays. We all know Tyler Perry agenda is to make it OK for a BLACK men to parade around as a woman. I'm not a "homophobe" but I don't watch Medea because we have a huge homosexual problem in our community along with drug, crime, and AIDS epidemics.

The black race is in bad shape because we praise whovever is making $ no matter if its drug king- pins, pro athletes, actors/actress, rappers, crooked preachers, etc. We don't teach our kids anymore... Whatever is considered "HOT" or "New" is teaching our kids.

We've always had problems in our community but we can't blame White ppl because we allow them to run and direct our music, arts, community. Rap/R&B is unconsciously influencing black women and men hating our own kind unless they're rich. Please listen to Gladys Knight because shes 90% right!

Stop worshiping people who are connected to our downfall. It's OK to be entertain by our celebs but stop trying to live life similar to what we see on TV. Its a fact that most black males think they're Lil Wayne or Lebron James and most black chicks think they're Beyonce Knowles. Where do you think this is coming from? Our music, movies, celebs. We gotta to do better black people... We chase $ but remember celebs often sell their souls for fame & fortune!

f**k THE GUY WHO COMMENTED "BLAME THE SOUTH"... BLAME THAT MONKEY WITH NO TALENT (5-0) AND THE OLD GUY (JAY-Z)

You are a 44 year old Harvard Grad and you are calling Gladys Knight and Oprah B's.? I'm sure your parents are pissed off that you allow yourself to chop it up on AllHipHop when you should be rallying at your University against the teaparties.

I agree with Gladys.

But what I mostly get from todays hiphop is the fact that the black community has a TON of selfish and immature grown ass men that still think and act like children. Men who are careless and irresponsible in addition to being disrepectful. That's what I see in our communities and that's what I 'm hearing in the music.

One can even argue that the recent dramatic drop in rap album sales is due to the fact that men of other races who were at one time die hard hiphop fans, have now grown up and moved on to being actual adults.

I'm not sure if the music is totally at fault here, but I definitely believe it  has played a huge role in the state of our community.

GLADYS IS HATING JUST LIKE YALL THESE FUCCK ASS OLD PEOPLE.......HIPHOP NEEDA JUST FACE THESE COPORATE DEVILS AND STOP SELLIN THEY SOUL FOR MONEY LIKE JAY OR PUFFY DID. IF EVERYBODY WAS TO BAN TOGETHER AND PUT THEY FOOT DOWN IT WOULD BE COOL.......HIPHOP WOULD GET BACK TO ITS REAL ESSENCE OF FEEL GOOD MUSIC ....."FEEL GOOD MUSIC= A MORE BALANCED HIPHOP" EAST COAST d**k RYDERS NEEDA FALL BACK CUZ THEY THE BIGGEST COONS IN THE GAME......FOR EX: JAY AND PUFF............WHEN HAVE THOSE NUGGAZ EVER STAND UP FOR ANYTHING.......ATLEAST CAM AND DAME TRIED DEFEDNING IT ON THE BILL O REILLY SHOW BUT JAY OR b***h MADE NUGGA PUFFY WOULD NEVER DO THAT.......f**k THESE RADIO NUUGAZ TOOO ALL DJ'S CAN SUCK A d**k BCZ THEY PLAY THE SAME COON MUSIC ALL THE DAMN TIME.......SMH HAD THESE PEOPLE LETTING THE WORLD POWERS CONTROL THEM FOR THE DOLLA.......ITS TIME TO UPLIFT HIPHOP AND ITS PEOPLE.........THIS IS WHY I VOLUNTEER IN MY COMMUNITY EVERY f**kin SATURDAY......

@DWILL

YOU WRONG FOR THAT ONE HOMIE LOL...

Generally she's right though, most Hip-Hop sucks. She didn't say all of it was bad, but overall there are a lot of trash rappers out there.

If you take away the angle from it all she's saying is what we've been saying for years, that 90% of the artists that come out are horrible

Sorry, I love Gladys, but she's full of shit.  If nothing else, hip-hop and its culture have created more black entrepreneurs and millionaires than any other venture outside of sports.  Hip-hop showed everyday black folk work ethic "grind" through the hustla mentality.  Hip-hop told black people that it was ok to not like the police because they don't treat us right.  Chuck D was like a distant-learning professor for many of us and X-Clan pumped black pride to a whole new level.  Black teenagers were walking around with African medallions.  

Methinks...Gladys has no idea about what she speaks.  She is just old and will say the most convenient mainstream crap because she's a follower.

I can't hate on gladys, hell my own mama hates rap music and she about the same age as gladys.

someone cap that whore

 @ Kappagem
LOL at Bill but look around.  Is he lying?

@King Joffy

And how far did Cam and Dame get defending us on O'Reilly?

Mrs. Knoght is entitled to her own opinion, but she realley needs to look at the real issue. 1.) If you don't like the music , don't listen to it. 2.) If the music is that bad, you are a muisc artist that has been in the game a minute, you do have money, put out your own hip hop artist to change the game, don't just down grade it and you have no plan to upgrade it. 3.) If any grown person (18-100) is foolish enough to try and imitate or try to live the lifes of what they listen to then they have the problem, ot the music. 4) All this east, coast, west coast, south s**tis ignorant. None of us actual own regions of this countyr so hown can you claim it like its yours? This is those who stole it, ran the orginals owners on reservations, and brought some slaves to work the land. 5.) Freedom of expression

im tired of you fukk azz nigguhs always blamin tha south for every thing it aint our fault that nigguhs dont listen to yall boring ass sapsucka raps... dats why none yall nigguh get any respect from n***as down here, none of you crybaby azz lame azz hatin azz  upnorth n***as get any respect...........oh yea gladys knights fried chicken and waffles set black people back just as much

Hey she right to an extent, but to be honest she's generalizing a bit much.  There is so much great and influential hip-hop out there.  Talib Kweli to name one such artist.  I mean...she must listen to the radio and watch MTV and BET....lol.

She does have a point...but what about Death Metal and Hate Rock....what about racist down south Hillbilly jive....and worse of all, what about POP MUSIC...nuff said.

The truth hurts....

I think she's speaking the truth, however tyler perry movies are also setting us back, how many of those movies will he make. The story line behind all those movie are depicting the negative side of african american living, as if we don't know how to make good decision or as though our lives are filled with drama, what happen to the positive things that happens in the black community, not all black male and female relationships are bad, some know how to make it work.

Thanks for sayign what we already know, it is a generational fight that we are dealing with. the question is, whats next and how do we keep our artform progressive and not destructive?

I agree with her. I think Hip hop starting getting back after the early nineties. Before songs had messages and meanings they taught you something now they aint tellin you s**texcept , bitches aint shit, get that money, sell that blow , and shoot n***as in the face...

@Nercity...

You said there is balance?

Where...

Just because YOU know where to find Little Brother, Common, Mos Def, Dead Prez, etc...

The mainstream don't.  Go ask one of these kids who Little Brother is...they'll say I don't have one.  Or they'll say he has a different mother.

Then ask them to Superman that HO, and watch them go to town.  And I'm not attacking Soulja Boy...I'm talking about what the majors are pushing or putting out to the people...

I'm sorry...that's not balance...

We can't continue to defend ignorance for the sake of saying what WE'RE doing...or what WE know.  You can be CEO of "suck a d*ck records", and the image you portray does more of a disservice than service to our people.  I don't care what responsibilities a 4 person company headed by a CEO does.  They may have the same responsibilities, but that bigger company has the bigger impact.

I know there is "good" music out there...positive music.  I'm saying NONE of that is being pushed or promoted by the majors.

If some cat who is on the corner slangin', bangin', etc...doesn't get a record deal because the next Public Enemy or X-Clan or MC Lyte for that matter gets put on, then I say he can stay on that corner, because his negative influence on our people as a WHOLE in music will have a more lasting negative effect than him getting off the corner.

It's not a direct attack on these artists, but it is an attack on the majors who push them, which in essence, will put less money in they pocket and more in the pockets of some good artists, like a Little Brother.

My issue isn't with the music directly...it's with the sh*t majors are putting out.  We would do better with LESS Lil Wayne's, Soulja Boys, and Gucci's while adding more substance.

And it's obviously deeper than just music...don't get me wrong...

But it's a good start, because if you listen to your Radio One or Clear Channel, artists you be dropping that are "good" are not on the airwaves...

Cats on here still beefin about north and south.  The Civil War came and went.  If you are from the south and you know you hot than what's the problem?  If you hot from the north and you know it what's the problem?  

@blackstar78

i hear you my man. but what i'm tryna say is kids see someone being shot in a movie it doesn't matter if its acting. they have that visual you feel me? you can't tell me that just cause its acting that, the point wasn't made.  when you see a rapper on t.v he aint killing nobody. when was the last time a rapper killed a rapper? it's entertainment. i respect where you coming fro tho. neither one of us are wrong its just opinion's. 1982

@MR_RST

THEY AINT DO SUCH A GOOD JOB BUT ATLEAST THEY PUT THEMSELVES OUT THERE....WE JUST NEED THAT ONE BIG SUPERSTAR THAT WILLLL.................

BUT FOR ANY TYPE OF CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE DEALING WITH AFRICAN AMERICANS IN GENERAL!! NONE OF THESE TOP SO CALLED LEGENDS AINT DO s**tBESIDES TUPAC........LIKE I ALWAYS SAY "REAL NUGGAZ DONT LIVE  LONG" THE ONLY PERSON THAT WOULD DEFEND HIPHOP IS GONE..REST IN PEACE PAC

I hate to say it, but, she needs to stop serving our people all that fried food, giving people high blood preasure and diabetes from obesity, when she clean here menu up and make it healthy then she can come and worry about hip hop. I hate when they throw stones at the glass before they even try to clean it. She need to gone and say who she really mad at and who's the problem, radio and record execs. These legends are putting out albums and they are not selling, they still shocked that its not about the music no more, everythang is paid for; radio, bet video spots and so on.

Asher "Black Bomb" Sommer said:
Gladys who???

Get the f**k outta here.

American society is fucko.
Can't blame Hip-Hop for that.


BIGORANGEKAT said:
someone cap that whore
September 17, 2009 1:56 PM


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These two statements could be blamed for hip hop and people may think that Gladys is 100% correct.

I blame these two statements on these two individual's parents because only two ignornat mutha fucka's could say "someone cap that whore" when speaking about Gladys Knight. This dude is thirsting for attention probably because he lacked that attn at home.

The other person that typed "Gladys Who?" either is being sarcastic or just a dumb monkey. Either way still doesn't make sense because anyone who loves hip hop knows Gladys from all the samples. Isn't her voice/record on Wu's "Can it be"?

See a true hip hop head would know that, a dumb monkey would say "Gladys Who?"

Read more books people. And men take care of your children, be there for your sons, so we won't have to have dumb mf'ers like these.

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@KING JOFFY JO

COSIGN 100

@Joffy

True indeed, i'm on board with that.  I think Pac broke that barrier.  

@NERCITY07

LOL .BUT COSIGN 100 ON THAT LAST ON TOO...

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@nercity
I must of missed these 2 idiots comments.  Agree 100%

@BIGEAST76CIDE

WHAT IT DO PLAYA? THAT BI-ATCH MADE n***a ALWAYS TALKING DOWN ON THE SOUTH. I AM A SOUTHERN n***a TO THE BONE. EAT THE WHOLE PIG AND HIS PARTNER THE CHICKEN. f**k A n***a THAT HIDE BEHIND A KEYBOARD AND TALK THAT bulls**t AND f**k HIS WHOLE FAMILY WITH SOMETHING SHARP. I AM A G WAS RAISED BY G'S AND MOVE LIKE A G. EVEN THOUGH I AM NOT ACTIVE IT STAYS WITH YOU LIKE EXPENSIVE COLOGNE. DOWN SOUTH WHERE I STAY SLAP A BI-ATCH n***a THE GOREALA WAY . LOL!!!!!

@BIGEAST76CIDE

FORREAL MY NUGGA....I SEE U ON HERE SONNING THESE NUGGAZ....THEY BETTER ASK SOMEBODY....THAT WHOLE BEING HIP HOP VOICE IDEA AND CONCEPT IS WHAT PROPELS PAC TO THE TOP OF THE G.O.A.T

where's the "slam"?? she's right!!

@DWILL1

THATS WHAT'S UP MY n***a LOL! IM FROM KILLA CALI (BORN AND RAISED) BUT MY GRANDPARENTS MIGRATED OUT HERE FROM THE SOUTH BACC IN THE 50'S MY n***a. MUCH LOVE TO THE REAL SOUTH SIDE (NOT THESE PUTO'S OUT HERE!)

SHE IS RIGHT!! JUST LOOK AT THE WAY PEOPLE DISRESPECT EACH OTHER HERE IN THIS FORUM!!
WESTIIIIDDDEEEEEEEEE!!!

@KING JOFFY JO

I SEE YOU ON HERE SPITTING THAT REAL ON THESE NICCCUZ! DONT HURT THEY FEELINGS TOO BAD TODAY THOUGH...

OH YEA, ONLY A DUMB AZZ WOULD DISRESPECT THE SOUTH!!! IM FROM BOMPTON BUT MY GRANDPARENTS WERE RAISED ON A PLANTATION IN MISSISSIPPI!!

WE ALL HAVE SOUTHERN ROOTS WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!!!

GET YA WEIGHT UP NOT YA HATE UP!!

WESTIIIIDDDEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

darrick72 said:
Sorry, I love Gladys, but she's full of shit.  If nothing else, hip-hop and its culture have created more black entrepreneurs and millionaires than any other venture outside of sports.  Hip-hop showed everyday black folk work ethic "grind" through the hustla mentality.  Hip-hop told black people that it was ok to not like the police because they don't treat us right.  Chuck D was like a distant-learning professor for many of us and X-Clan pumped black pride to a whole new level.  Black teenagers were walking around with African medallions.  

Methinks...Gladys has no idea about what she speaks.  She is just old and will say the most convenient mainstream crap because she's a follower.
September 17, 2009 1:54 PM


^^^^Did you even read the article?

It's obvious she's talking about hip-hop TODAY...she ain't talking about Chuck D, X-Clan, or niccahs wearing african medallions.  Re-read the article man.

She's talking about TODAY's hip-hop...

Tell ya'll what.

Check Billboard, check your local top 10, look at BET, look at MTV ( I don't really watch either of those, but the kids do)...

Lemme know where there's an PE, X-Clan, Dead Prez

And then we can say she's wrong...

I have to run to a few meetings, but I'll be sure to post the Top songs in Columbus for the week...

Outside of a "corny" group as most people would call them as Black Eyed Peas, I'll bet the majority is on sumn else...

Jay included (and ya'll know I like Jay:)...

But it's not an attack on the ARTISTS...it's an attack on the ESTABLISHMENT, which pumps crack music only

I still say parents who fail to teach kids right and the idiots who act out what they say/hear about/see in rap music should be more at fault than the music itself. Individuals have been acting like idiots long before rap music was created. People just use it as a scapegoat because it's popular. Just like they did with rock & roll, comic books, TV, etc. No difference. You think ALL blacks were intelligent in the 60s and before? You don't think ghetto blacks existed back then? Blaming music for people's actions is like getting mad at the cars involved in an accident, rather than the bad driver(s), just blaming the exhibits before the obviously guilty defendants.

@SIX6SOCALIGUY

COSIGN 100 HOMIE, WHAT PART OF THE CPT YOU FROM PLAYA?

@DWILL

MAN IM STILL LAUGHING AT THAT "PIG AND HIS PATNA" COMMENT
YOU A FOOL FOR THAT ONE. ARE WE STILL GIVING OUT THE "n***a PLEASE" AWARD TODAY?? CUZ I GOT SOMEONE IN MIND...

Black entertainment is setting african americans back not just HIPHOP!
Black parents who know nothing more than the people who brought them in this world know are setting african americans back!
Black people with no love for other black people are holding us back!


Need I say more I can go all day long?

But I see what she saying!

HIPHOP is so big now!

I makes everybody black look super stupid!

I agree!

That's why I no longer work with n*ggas!

I don't care what color you are N*GGAS  are in every race!

If you are not on my level I refuse to take a chance on you like credit card companies!

@BIGEAST76CIDE

THAT WAS REAL s**tRIGHT THERE. THESE n***a'S ACT LIKE THEY DON'T KNOW THAT MOST THERE GRANDPARENTS AND GREAT GRANDPARENTS COME FROM THE SOUTH. ANYWAY ON TOPIC I LOOK AT THIS HOW I LOOK AT THE INTERNET REVOULUTIONARIES IF YOU ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO HELP THE SITUTATION SHUT THE f**k UP. KNOW DISRESPECT TO GLADYS CAUSE I AM FULLY AWHERE OF WHO SHE IS.  BUT THE OLDER GENERATION DO NOT SUPPORT WHAT WE DO AS ARTIST AND BIZNESS MEN. WHEN THEY DISCUSS OUR GENRE ALL THEY DO IS TAKE SHOTS AT WHAT WE DO. I CAN AND WILL NEVER RESPECT THAT. EVEN IF IT COMES FROM THE SOULFUL AND BEAUTYFUL MS.KNIGHT.

I GREW UP ON ROSECRANS AND ACACIA. DJ QUIK AND HI-C WERE CHILDHOOD FRIENDS WITH MY COUSIN LIL MAM FROM TREE TOP PIRU.

I LIVED ALL AROUND CALI THO MANE FROM 111TH AND WESTERN TO POMONA TO THE LBC TO GARDENA!!

WESTIIIIDDDEEEE FO LIFE!!!

@the_endowed_1


You aint slappin s**tnigga get the f**k outta here with that bulls**t.   Why dont you take your unemployed broke ass and get back in line at the welfare office .  Talking about my grandma, she would cut your d**k off and stuff that s**tin your mouth before you even had a chance to take it off you wack n***a.  Looks like your mama cut your hair with a butter knife anyways.

smh @ blamin the south........GTFOH. But when fiddy was singin bout candy shops n magic sticks, it was all good right? I agree hip hop is sugary. dependin what you bump. Radio Killed Hip HOp! not the south player

Kappagem said:
@Nercity...

You said there is balance?

Where...

Just because YOU know where to find Little Brother, Common, Mos Def, Dead Prez, etc...

The mainstream don't.  Go ask one of these kids who Little Brother is...they'll say I don't have one.  Or they'll say he has a different mother.

Then ask them to Superman that HO, and watch them go to town.  And I'm not attacking Soulja Boy...I'm talking about what the majors are pushing or putting out to the people...

I'm sorry...that's not balance...

We can't continue to defend ignorance for the sake of saying what WE'RE doing...or what WE know.  You can be CEO of "suck a d*ck records", and the image you portray does more of a disservice than service to our people.  I don't care what responsibilities a 4 person company headed by a CEO does.  They may have the same responsibilities, but that bigger company has the bigger impact.

I know there is "good" music out there...positive music.  I'm saying NONE of that is being pushed or promoted by the majors.

If some cat who is on the corner slangin', bangin', etc...doesn't get a record deal because the next Public Enemy or X-Clan or MC Lyte for that matter gets put on, then I say he can stay on that corner, because his negative influence on our people as a WHOLE in music will have a more lasting negative effect than him getting off the corner.

It's not a direct attack on these artists, but it is an attack on the majors who push them, which in essence, will put less money in they pocket and more in the pockets of some good artists, like a Little Brother.

My issue isn't with the music directly...it's with the sh*t majors are putting out.  We would do better with LESS Lil Wayne's, Soulja Boys, and Gucci's while adding more substance.

And it's obviously deeper than just music...don't get me wrong...

But it's a good start, because if you listen to your Radio One or Clear Channel, artists you be dropping that are "good" are not on the airwaves...


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When Run DMC was doing "Darryl & Joe" or "Rock Box" a lot of people didn't know who they were.

the corner rock slanger doesn't give a f**k about lil wayne or little brother. They'll listen to pac, biggie, jay etc but the main thing is to sell drugs. The biggest influence is the culture of the family than the music. You can have 50 Public Enemies and 30 X-Clans but if father keeps fucking and mother keeps having babies by other dudes while they are being part time fathers the destructive cycle will continue.

Blaming hip hop's so called "embalance" is a cop out.

smh.. another old black person dissin hiphop.....they act like things are supposed to be perfect in hiphop.......

@BIGEAST76CIDE

hell yeah n***a please give the award. we still have 4 left cause that bi-atch ass n***a i am talking about there is know award for being a bi-atch.

And let's keep it 100%

NWA
2 Live Crew
Gansta Pat & Gangsta Nip
The Old Geto Boys
HWA (Ho's with an Attitude)
Too Short

albums were WAY worse than what is out now before they had the parental guidence sticker.

Prince's old albums were strickly about fucking.

Hell BBD talked about "Backstage underage" in the song "Do Me".

Ike Turner beat Tina worse than Chris Brown.

Rick James burn ho's with crackpipes after he kidnapped them.

Even when Glady's Knight would go on Soul Train Don C. was beating women.

But now Hip Hop is out of control in 2009??? It's "Vulgar"? It's not balanced?

Who the hell created this monster? It sure wasn't Kool Herc. It was the Gladys Knights. Her peers.

Yeah, but if it wasn't for hip hop, alot of these brothers would be no names.  Hip Hop catpulted a lot of cats to the forfront and unfortunately, that's the perception we are given.  

@DWILL1

YEP ITS OTHER WAYS FOR HER TO MAKE A POINT WITHOUT THOSE NEGATIVE STATEMENTS. ITS ALL ABOUT HOW YOU GO ABOUT IT PLAYA? WRONG IS WRONG I DONT GIVE A FUCC WHO IT IS....EVERY INDUSTRY (MUSIC/T.V/MOVIES) GOT SOMETHING THEY CAN DO DIFFERENT TO ENHANCE OUR PEOPLE BUT THEY MOSTLY TURN THE OTHER WAY AND ROLL WITH THE MAINSTREAM WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO MAKING A CHOICE BETWEEN BEING A SHEEP (FALLING IN LINE SCARRED TO UPSET THE JEWS EXECUTIVE PRODUCING THEY PROJECTS) AND A WOLF (RIDING FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE THATS IN THE BEST INTEREST FOR OUR PEOPLE) BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT I CANT KNOCC NOBODYS HUSTLE OR WHAT THEY'LL PUT UP WITH AT WORK IN ORDER TO PUT BREAD ON THE TABLE.

BUT YOU CAN DO IT WITHOUT TEARING DOWN THE NEXT MAN AT THE SAME TIME. LIKE MY GRANNY USE TO SAY: IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING GOOD TO SAY THEN SHUT THE FUCC UP!!!

HIP HOP IS ALIVE AND WELL!! LISTEN I TRIP OUT WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT 50, KANYE,BOOSIE ETC...
EACH ARTIST IS DIFFERENT IN THEIR OWN RIGHT! YOU CANNOT TELL ME YOU WASNT BUMPIN CANDY SHOP CAUSE IT WAS THE SHIZNIT AT THE TIME!!

EVERY COAST HAS ITS TIME AND RIGHT NOW ITS THE SOUTH'S TURN- SO BE IT!!
FUNNY HOW PEOPLE LIKE TO DISS ARTIST BUT WE ARE THE ONES WHO CREATED THE 50 CENT'S AND THE KANYE'S TO HAVE THIS MONSTER EGO'S.

WESTIIIIDDDEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!1

@DWILL

OKAY LET ME LOOK OVER ALL THESE COMMENTS ONE MORE TIME...BUT THE WHITE BOY TALKING BOUT "SOMEONE CAP HER" IS GETTING STRONG CONSIDERATION....

BIGEAST YOUZ A FOOL WIT IT MY NIGG LOL. WHERE U FROM IN CALI MANE?

WESTIIIIIDDDEEEEEEEEEE!!!

hmm..so many different comments on this subject & so many different angles.I realize I ain't mr.popular on this site,[and could give a f**k really]but f**k it..I'm gonna throw my little two cents on the table..

are any of you surprised @ her comments? you shouldn't be....@ the end of the day tho,let's look @ it for what it is-entertainment.and in my opinion,ALL forms of black entertainment have some coonin,shuckin & jivin alabama porch monkey s**tin it..anything we see black people in has it in it..not all of it mind you,but all forms have some of it..say mane,I'm watching commercials [ & i have spoken on commercials before on here & the racism portrayed in them..but I have concluded] EVERY mufuckin commercial JOE CLAIR is in..he is coonin.buck eyes,dancin around,saying some bulls**t.I believe  the earlier generations would gladly embrace & support the younger generations doing these movies & tv shows & music..IF they saw more of the good then this bulls**t..people naturally key in on the negative..and the white people thrust the negative into the spotlight..but what really hurts ahh,is that WE DO IT TO OURSELVES.[then wanna get mad & pitch a b***h when our elders call us on it].I have seen some mufuckaz on here shitting all over kanye west for what he did..and let's be frank-HE WAS TOTALLY WRONG FOR THAT SHIT..BUT,see how the white people are chiming in on that shit?! [that's what they do now,sit back & let us play ourselves] he not only did it to HIMSELF,but he did it to US.everytime one of these rappers makes a f***ot dance song & bet pushes that shit..they do it to us.everytime a black actor dress up in drag for laughs,they do it to us.everytime kfc has someone black on their commercials coonin' for chicken,or mcdonald's & their bulls**t,or someone acting serious selling you on an insurance company..or wal mart showing mufuckaz shoppin as well as employed there acting like slaves,we do it to ourselves.I am firmly entrenched in hip hop & will be as long as I'm alive..but I also love music period..and I can clearly see both sides.can we really hate her or bill cosby or oprah for hating rap music,when their points are VALID? true,it's not for them..but they still can observe it..and they have been disgusted with some of the same s**twe on ahh & other avenues hate as well..

and while I'm on this subject,you b***h ass mufuckaz talkin about the south ruining hip hop need to shut the f**k up..and do your history.it ain't a region that's ruining hip hop you cranston ass mufuckaz.every region that has been up in hip hop has done some bulls**t rap....when the south was trying to do s**tlike the eastcoast,mufuckaz had problems with that cuz it wasn't eastcoast rap..then when the eastcoast falls off,or someone comes & takes the shit,then you b***h made mufuckaz wanna start crying..you dissed hammer & that s**the was doing..then you couldn't beat him,so yall started dancin.[all you eastcoast fundamentalist kill me..did you mufuckaz forget big daddy kane,special ed,chubb rock & countless others,ALL had back up dancers doing all those bulls**t dances?! all in that golden era no less..and let's not start on kid n play! new york is the home of that club music!]and don't get me started on that chicken noodle soup s**tor jumpin out the window shit..[and jim jones b***h ass is a gangbanger one minute,then is on some ron browz pop champagne coonin' the next minute,then some dj webstar dancin s**tthe next minute,then on some skinny jeans rappers remix the next & has been all over the remixes on alot of those south dance hits you all love to hate so much,that n***a thru dees on the b***h,walked it out & some more shit].you dissed westcoast s**tas gangbang shit,then the next thing you know,you got lowriders & flags & you're even gangbangin now?! [when I know personally the only mufuckaz in the early 90s f**kin with westcoast s**tlike that were mufuckaz from jersey] doing the EXACT same s**tyall diss....what the f**k is wrong with making s**tJUST FOR YOUR REGION?! mufuckaz used to say hip hop is the black america's cnn,so how else can I know what's going on in yonkers,if dude is rapping with memphis slang,over a westcoast beat,looking like nelly in 2000??? the south has had groups that were saying something..THEY JUST DIDN'T SELL AS MUCH OR GET THE RECOGNITION.and since we are on the subject,for you mufuckaz that point to outkast as stand outs in southern hip hop,yeah they stand out..but look @ they way they present their product as of late! [I f**k with outkast's 1st cd & a little of the 2nd,and benz or beemerz from the new jersey drive soundtrack,and thats it!].those mufuckaz are weird looking!lyrics or not [they should've stuck with the organized noize production..when they started producing themselves..sheesh!] eminem blows up talking hella crazy about women,his own mother,baby momma,female artists & yall eat it up..then we discover he made racial slurs in raps..AND YOU MUFUCKAZ OVERLOOK THAT SHIT & STILL f**k WITH HIS SHIT.THAT IS WHEN THE s**tSHOULD'VE STOPPED.and you cranston ass niggaz got the nerve to s**ton other's regionally biased rap?? wtf. go to a club in new york & watch what happens when they play those same raps you say killed hip hop...those bitches out there start mindlessly grinding & doing the dances & all that..as my eastcoast comrades would say: "fuckouttahea"!

we as a race don't want our elders to correct us or publicly criticize us,[hell,it's like we don't even give them the respect they DESERVE] and we will lose our damn minds if white people talk about us..but we as a race REFUSE to clean up our own mufuckin s**tfrom our own mufuckin porch..and we continue to support,[with our voices as well as our money],the same s**tthat's fucking us up! yeah what she said was hurtful to hip hop,particularly when her music has been licensed & sampled,[whether she got paid or not]..but all you mufuckaz claimin hip hop is a way of life,ect..if you can't see what the f**k has happened,then you are just as ignorant as the mufucka who gets on here & says,"f**k her..she's just old" or words to that effect.

[sorry if I rambled..my thoughts were coming hella fast].

@Ner - I'm not blaming HIP-HOP for all of our societal issues...

I'm saying what anybody and they momma know...

There's no balance in the music our children are listening too...

Like I said before...

Take your positive or "good" music and put it against what's out...

tell me there's balance...

I ain't blaming the artists....I'm blaming the labels that push nothing but BS...

@Demrydiren

GET'EM!!!!!!!! BUTTER KNIFE LOL!!!!!!!!

I'm blaming the artist.  If positive hip hop is on your radar then don't sell your soul and your lyrics to come out with Your a Jerk.

@DWILL

OKAY I GIVE ONE OUT TO THE BIG ORANGE KAT. BUT IN THIS CASE ITS THE "WHIT BOY PLEASE AWARD" WE GOT 2 LEFT HOMIE LOL..

when is she running for office?

@OUTLAW76

COSIGN ON YOUR COMMENT TOO MY n***a! IM LATE THAN A MUTHAFUCC BUT O WELL...

@BIGEAST76CIDE

SAY MY n***a f**k CONSIDERATION, THAT DUMB WHITEBOY NEED TO WATCH HIS MOUTH WIN REFERING TO ANY BLACK WOMAN. HE GET THE PECKERWOOD PLEASE STAEMENT OF THE WEEK.

check out my new song...its sum real shyt!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Eb_YMkKgw

@DWILL1

COSIGN ON THAT LAST ONE TOO. I WAS TRYNA BE POLITICALLY CORRECT SINCE I SEE A FEW WHITE BOYS ON HERE HAVE SOME VALID COMMENTS AT TIMES BUT FUCC IT!! LOL

@STRAIGHTFORWARD

WHAT UP LIL HOMEBOY??

nercity07 said:

Even when Glady's Knight would go on Soul Train Don C. was beating women.

September 17, 2009 2:46 PM
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of course I don't know for certain,but word has always been don cornelius is a f***ot,so when he beat someone recently,that someone was more than likely a f***ot..but i feel where you went with the shit..








on another note: let's say,hypothetically,all these white owned corporations said they aren't putting out any rap music,unless it's all positive uplifting the community type shit..imagine how many of your favorite rappers would change their tune [pardon the pun] for that $ & fame..then would the elders be happy? and what about us..in my opinion,if those same mufuckaz talking about selling dope & bitches & murder & drugs so much now,switched up..how could I believe they are sincere..were EVER sincere for that matter? they'd be marked as a cranston ass n***a to me.having a positive song in the midst of a mufuckaz rap character isn't a bad thing..show the balance..but switching up all together,that would just mean you were fake from the gate..and evcen then,there would be underground raps going harder then they are now..

at liquid swords 95 i see you big homie!!!!!

KING JOFFY JO said:
@MR_RST

THEY AINT DO SUCH A GOOD JOB BUT ATLEAST THEY PUT THEMSELVES OUT THERE....WE JUST NEED THAT ONE BIG SUPERSTAR THAT WILLLL.................

BUT FOR ANY TYPE OF CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE DEALING WITH AFRICAN AMERICANS IN GENERAL!! NONE OF THESE TOP SO CALLED LEGENDS AINT DO s**tBESIDES TUPAC........LIKE I ALWAYS SAY "REAL NUGGAZ DONT LIVE  LONG" THE ONLY PERSON THAT WOULD DEFEND HIPHOP IS GONE..REST IN PEACE PAC
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I'm on board with that Son the realest dude is gone but damn sure not forgotten by us...I miss that dude for real!Never another Mike Jack damn sure never another Tupac Amuru Shakur.. True Talk.Brooklyn Lives-Solid Dunn.

ALRIGHT THAT n***a THE_ENDOWED_ONE (AKA SMALL BALLS LOC) GET ONE TOO. FUCC YOU n***a !!I WOULD ELABORATE BUT DEMRYDIREN ALREADY CHEECED THIS COWARD...

@BIGEAST76CIDE

s**tWELL IF YOU SEEN ENUFF OF MY COMMENTS. THEN YOU KNOW POLITICLY CORRECT MEANS NOTHING TO ME. I SAY WHAT IT IS AND STAND BY THAT, PEOPLE GET MAD BUT f**k'EM. I SAID IT PECKERWOOD, CRACKER, REDNECK, PINK TOE, WHITEY. CAP YOUR PILL POPPING WHORE MOTHER AND YOUR BLACK CUM DRINKING SISTER.

@MR.GOODBROTHER

COSIGN HOMIE.

shocker....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxQHYdhdER8

@SIX6SOCALIGUY

THATS RIGHT HOMIE IM FROM THE EAST SIDE OF SOUTH CENTRAL LA MY n***a. I GREW UP IN EAST COAST CRIP HOOD YOU CAN TELL FROM THE 76 ON MY MONIKER WHERE I GET/GOT DOWN AT. BUT MY WHOLE FAMILY IS BLOODS FROM ATHENS PARK (AND I MEAN THE GIRLS TOO).

@bigeast76cide

thats big homey

@Everybody

I'm glad everybody is fired up and full of energy about what Gladys Knight said.  Still on the boards taking shots at one another about what?  It's time to step it up.  Everybody wants to debate right?  Let's get it then.  Take all this fire yall spittin and meet me over @ Hannity.com in the forums and lets go to work.  If you decide to step up to another level, I will see you over there.

@BIGEAST76CIDE

JUST ASKING BUT IS SPIDER LOC A ACTIVE CRIP OR IS HE BANGING ON WAX LIKE THE GAME? CAUSE I THINK HE A EAST COAST CRIP TOO.

so you crip or blood

stings.....dont it?

Haha its all good gladys I still love U and will continue to sample your music!!hahaha



HIPHOP4EVA!!!!

mr_rst said:
@Everybody

I'm glad everybody is fired up and full of energy about what Gladys Knight said.  Still on the boards taking shots at one another about what?  It's time to step it up.  Everybody wants to debate right?  Let's get it then.  Take all this fire yall spittin and meet me over @ Hannity.com in the forums and lets go to work.  If you decide to step up to another level, I will see you over there.
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f**k Hannity?" True Talk.

lol @ the white hate.

@DWILL1

YEAH HE WITH THE BIDNESS. I NEVER MET DUDE BUT I GOT A b***h THAT STAY ON 97 AND MCKINLEY (IN THE MIDDLE OF THEY HOOD) AND THEM LITTLE n***as BE OUT THE SPORTING THOSE SPIDER LOC TEE'S LOL. THAT n***a SNOOPY BLUE (AKA BLUE RAG) IS PROBALLY THE MOST ACTIVE ONE ON THE STREETS THOUGH.

@OVADOSETX432

n***a YOU WAS ONE THE FEW THAT I WAS SPEAKING ON WHEN I SAID SOME OF YALL HAVE VALID COMMENTS. SO STOP BEING SO SENSETIVE LIL HOMEBOY. ITS ALL H76D...

@STRAIGHTFORWARD

n***a IM A HUSTLER. DO I NEED TO POST SOME MORE MONEY PICS FOR YOU?? NAW BUT ON THE REAL I DONT FUCC WITH THAT s**tNO MORE IM ALL ABOUT THOSE CHIPS BUT LIKE THE HOMIE DWILL SAY SOMETHING STAY WITH YOU CUZZ.

Demrydiren said:
Some ignorant ass internet thug will diss her for sure.  She is 99% right of course, but people also have to take responsibility for the way they behave and their actions.  I mean you are a complete retard if you actually idolize some of these rappers out here, I mean who would idolize a straight wack clown like lil boosie, or lil wayne or any of those garbage ass southern rappers.

Yeah but my lil cousin who's only in 8th grade thinks Lil Wayne is cool cause he's a thug he doesn't know any better but it is reality I keep telling him Wayne is an entertainer don't think he's a crypt just cause he wears red

@BIGEAST76CIDE

SO HE A REAL n***a THATS WHAT IT DO.

OvaDoseTX432 said:
lol @ the white hate.

SAY MY MAN TAKE IT HOW YOU WON'T. BUT DUDE WAS OUT OF LINE SO I GOT OUT OF LINE WITH HIM. I DO NOT HATE WHITE PEOPLE SOME OF MY FRIENDS ARE WHITE.LOL!!!!!!!!!!

@Big east and dwill
Yall good wit me. I aint a E-thug or a stan. So i my e-motions are all good. Just laughin, i dont feel disrespected cuz i was in the pen and i used to crack on the peckerwoods all the time. So do ya thing pimps!

@OVADOSETX432

HOMIE SOME OF THE COOLEST MUTHA FUCCAS I MET WAS SOME WHITE BOYS SO DONT TRIP. I BET I MADE YOUR DAY WHEN I CALLED YOU n***a HUH??? LOL

@DWILL

I WILL SAY THIS THOUGH WHEN SPIDER MADE THAT BLUTIFUL REXIM AND HAD THE BLOODS AND GRAPE STREET n***a IN THE VIDEO IT WAS COOL AND ALL, BUT SINCE LIKE A YEAR AGO ITS BEEN AN ALL OUT WAR BETWEEN THE GRAPES AND THE HOMIES. I CANT ELABORATE WITHOUT DRY SNITCHING BUT IM JUST GONA SAY THAT...NAW FUCC IT

lonelymc said:
Demrydiren said:
Some ignorant ass internet thug will diss her for sure.  She is 99% right of course, but people also have to take responsibility for the way they behave and their actions.  I mean you are a complete retard if you actually idolize some of these rappers out here, I mean who would idolize a straight wack clown like lil boosie, or lil wayne or any of those garbage ass southern rappers.

Yeah but my lil cousin who's only in 8th grade thinks Lil Wayne is cool cause he's a thug he doesn't know any better but it is reality I keep telling him Wayne is an entertainer don't think he's a crypt just cause he wears red
September 17, 2009 3:37 PM

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Exactly. Was Cube real back in 88? Kool G Rap? The most real dude back then was Slick Rick cause he really had a shoot out and sped away from the cops.

@NERCITY07

DID YOU JUST SAY THAT^^^^OR WERE YOU POSTING SOMEONE ELSES QUOTE???

@  BIGEAST76CIDE

SAY n***a ELABORATE JUST DON'T SAY KNOW NAMES.


@OvaDoseTX432

YOU GOOD WITH ME TO PLAYBOY. n***a AIN'T KNOW BLACK MILITANT OR NOTHING LIKE THAT. BUT I DO LOVE MYSELF AND MY RACE AND UNLIKE THESE INTERNET REVOLUTIONARIES I WILL GET IT IN FOR THAT CAUSE.

Well she speaking the truth. It has been like that for years now. I hope to see the turnaround in hip hop when there is variety again for the masses.

nercity07 said:
Exactly. Was Cube real back in 88? Kool G Rap? The most real dude back then was Slick Rick cause he really had a shoot out and sped away from the cops.
September 17, 2009 3:48 PM
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I'm going to give you some first hand trivia.slick rick's shootout occured in 1990.I know this cuz I made my 1st trip to nyc in '90 & to make a long story short,I was in the castle hill social club on castle hill road [and grand concourse I think].kid capri was djing,as was jazzy joyce..I met them as well as just ice & slick rick..@ the end of the night,slick rick was leaving & he started getting shot @..he ducked in the doorway & pulled out one of those old long barrelled guns & began shooting back.he got in his pathfinder & sped off..he would laer go to exact revenge & thats when that s**thappened that landed him in jail.I know how mufuckaz on here like to discredit shit..but this is s**tI seen with my own eyes.

@DWILL1

I GOT A LIL HOMEBOY THAT STAY IN THE JORDAN DOWNS (GRAPE ST PROJECTS) AND I STILL SLIDE THRU THERE ON THE LOW TO DROP OFF s**tAT TIMES AND SINCE I GOT MY PIC UP THERE I BETTA WATCH MY WORDS...

@bigeast........nah bra! imma foster care baby, lived with black family in oakcliff for about 16 yrs. While most of white america was jammin Now 15, i was on some cece winans, mary mary.  So it aint the first time i been called that......But i can dig it. 100% real whiteboy right chea!

Dont get me wrong, I love gladys knight.  But im soooo tired of thes old ass people talking down on us like they aint got a huge part in whats wrong with our culture.  They failed to teach and we failed to learn.  Its so easy for them to just put it all on us like we got to this point by ourselves.

yall ready for floyd to throw hands this weekend?

SHE HAS OBIOULSY ONLY HERD GANGSTA RAP THEN... SHE NEEDS TO CHECK OUT STUFF LIKE THIS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzG8VyORkfE&feature=related

STILL, I LOVE HER MUSIC

@ nercity07

iTS CRIPS.. RICHARD HEAD (D!CK hEAD)... and they don't wear RED. they wear BLUE... Mr. Carter (aka Lil Wayne) "claims" to be a "Blood" Get somebody to proof read your comments b4 posting.

Right on to the REAL and DEATH to the fakers!!!!

@BIGEAST76CIDE

I RESPECT THAT REAL IS REAL.

@OvaDoseTX432

HELL YEA I JUST HOPE HE BRING IT CAUSE MARQUEZ AIN'T KNOW PUNK.

MANN, she aint right, its no way hip hop set back african americans, thats one element of hip hop, no one speaks on how these hip hop artists give back and the many charities they have, nobody speaks on the overall employment hip hop has created, nobody speaks on people who have positive influences on hip hop - Nobody speaks on how hip hop has paved the way for everything, how hip hop artists are able to support their families how they give to schools how they build homes how they give ALL OF THE PROCEEDS of a concert to charity, how it created so many job opportunites - Nobody speaks on rock n roll, its just that hip hop as a music genre is at the fore front and its always goin to b a positive and a negative side to everything, the thing that people dont understand is music is a form of entertainment such as movies, So when u watch all the various types of movies hollywood gets no slack, you hear nuttin about the film industry........ So yea she's buggin wit the fact that she feels hip hop set african american people back -

@DWILL1

WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE HOP ON YOUTUBE AND GOOGLE EAST COAST CRIPS VS. F13. SINCE LIKE 06 ITS BEEN LIKE 100 SHOOTINGS AND LIKE 60 MURDERS IN MY NEIGHBOR H76D ALONE!
ITS AN ALL OUT WAR WITH THE PUTOS RIGHT ABOUT NOW, AND SINCE THE s**tWITH THE GRAPES JUMPED OUT THE HOMIES BEEN GIVING IT TO THEM 4REAL. ITS A TRIP BECAUSE MOST PROJECT GANGS OUT HERE STAY IN THE PROJECTS AND BARELY COME OUT THAT MUTHA FUCCA WHILE OTHER HOODS RUN THE STREETS. MAN I DONT EVEN LIVE IN THE HOOD ANYMORE I JUST HAVE MY MAIL GOING TO THE HOUSE STILL SO WHEN I SLIDE THRU I JUST HOP OUT AND BLAZE A BLUNT OR 2 WITH MY LIL HOMEBOYS OUT ON THE FRONT LINE AND PUSH. BUT IN THE LAST YEAR ALONE FOOLS THAN SHOT UP MY HOMIE HOUSE NEXT DOOR (R.I.P FROG2) AND SOME PUTOS TRIED TO GET THE DROP ON ME WHILE I WAS WASHING MY TRUCC IN FRONT OF MY GRANNY'S PAD. BUT LIKE I SAID THEY "TRIED". I CANT ELABORATE TOO MUCH CUZ THEM FLOWERS STAY WALL BANGING (CROSSING OUT THE TURF) BUT WHEN THE HOMIES TOUCH EM THEY SHOW UP TO COURT (PICKING SHOOTERS OUT OF LINE UPS AND ALL) I GOT LIKE 20 HOMEBOYS IN JAIL BEHIND GIVING IT TO THEM FOOLS AND EVERY ONE BEEN CONVICTED BY EYE WITNESSES! THE GAME AINT THE SAME SO I DONT EVEN PUT MYSELF OUT THERE FOR THE bulls**t TO COME MY WAY...BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS....

BUT THE 97 EAST COAST (SPIDER LOCS HOOD) ARE THE ONES THAT GOT THE BEEF WITH THE GRAPES JUMPING OFF AND FROM WHAT I CAN SEE THEY HANDLING THAT SHIT. THEY THE CLOSEST COAST GANG TO THE PROJECTS SO WHEN THEY MOUNT UP ITS MOST CONVENIENT TO GET AT EACH OTHER FOR BOTH SIDES...

MY LIL HOMIES ARE MOSTLY ABOUT THEY MONEY SINCE THEY CAME UP ON ALL THOSE BIRDS FROM THE FLOWERS AND EVEN THE LITTLE n***as BE HOLDING STACCS. THE PROBLEM IS THEY CANT SEPERATE THE HUSTLE FROM THE BANGING PART AND END UP WITH A BID!!

R.I.P

TRIP BOX2, FLY2, FROG, LIL FROG, MAC2, SHUG, BURGER,KAY LOC, BEN, FIG, MY OG HOMIE LIL TEE CEE RIDAA!! (THIS n***a HAD MY BACC WHEN I GOT JACCED IN THE IMPERIAL COURTS PROJECTS)

LOVED BY FEW..
HATED BY MANY..
RESPECTED BY ALL!!

GET MONEY n***a!!!!

@NERCITY07

YOU STILL DIDNT ANSWER ME HOMIE??
YOUR CREDIBILTY IS ON THE LINE WITH THAT ONE!!!

Gladys is not wrong, she may not have a full understanding of Hip

@dwill..............theyre both so old (in boxing terms anyway) itll be hard to tell........look like marquez is the king of going the distance. Floyd talk to much, but he got my respect for being undefeated, cant knock that!

it aint just hip hop, its music, it aint just music either, entertainment as a whole is dipping. Due to economy i guess. illuminati at work? who knows...........

....HEY! What's the big idea!!! anyway, as i was saying, she might not have a full understanding of Hip Hop, but she is right in what she said about it not being uplifting. Reality is that the things going on around us are negative. If you're somebody dead smack in the middle of it then what else are you going to talk about? I'm telling you, I've run into people that honest to GOD feel that a life of dodging bullets, gang bangin', selling drugs is all that's out there for them and its all they know...straight up! They dont even see getting out of the hood is an option. They just didnt grow up with the resources or positive influence and for those individuals its sad. But then you got rappers thats out there making that kinda stuff cool even tho they are WAY past that lifestyle and that aint right. Once you've attained a certain level of success and you're no longer feeling like you have to do those negative things to get by then you should make your music more encouraging and more positive. Not that all your songs gotta sound like Will Smith, but at least try to balance it out.

its funny because i think we as a black culture, we as people set a lot of trends & are also critical of a lot of things as well yet you don't see too many other cultures doing or saying things like this towards one another. I love gladys knight & respect everything she has done & still doing till this day but i do wonder though, if U2, Aerosmith, & all the other rock legends along w/ Selena (if she were alive today) & carlos santana say & critize as much as they do within their own cultures. Probably they do & we just do hear about but thats the thing, we don't hear about it.

It just seems that because our society dominates rap/hip hop music, everything is negative negative negative when its not the case. Yes hip hop has taken some bad raps over the years (especially within the past 10 yrs since the corporations dont make it easier) but does society want hip hop back to when it was just 2 turntables & a mic? thats what its really all about. I mean i'ma 80's baby & i remember just going out to the park & watching & listening to people freestyle & just having a good time. It was never all about who had the bigger gun. Somewhere down the line hip hop got tainted & we just need to get that back. Theres still music out there that is relevant still, like a diamond in the rough, you just got to find now-a-days which is unfortunate.

But like Outlaw76 said there was still negativity towards blacks back in the day along w/ the music being not as derrogatory but just more sexual & raunchier. Nobody ever wanna talk about the Nat King Cole's of the world back in the day how he used to degrade woman too. I'm not saying one evil is necessary greater than the other but its all the same.

“It definitely has not elevated us as African-Americans, because we show disrespect for our partners, men and women,” Knight stated. “I believe we have lowered our self-esteem with these performances and presentations.”

I have to agree! How many songs are there that you hear these artist talking about sliding up in your woman when your not home! ahow many women sing about what they will do to your man if given the opportunity!

Thats some disgusting shit! And then we try to tell our kids to do the right thing!

Mixed messages

Co-signing Gladys on this one!!

“It definitely has not elevated us as African-Americans, because we show disrespect for our partners, men and women,” Knight stated. “I believe we have lowered our self-esteem with these performances and presentations.”

I have to agree! How many songs are there that you hear these artist talking about sliding up in your woman when your not home! ahow many women sing about what they will do to your man if given the opportunity!

Thats some disgusting shit! And then we try to tell our kids to do the right thing!

Mixed messages

Co-signing Gladys on this one!!

Each is entitled to his opinion. she has some validity.  But, I think Cube said it best, just say "Gangsta rap made me do it."  I don't think HIP Hop was the cause of her divorce or her alleged gambling problem so now who gets the blame, record labels?  

@chocolate..............lol @will smith, so you never got "jiggy wit it" haha

@SWAGGATARIUS

COSING
THANK YOU FOR THAT ONE, IM STARTING TO GET CORPORATE TUNNEL FROM ALL THIS TYPING TODAY LOL.

@DWILL

WE NEED TO COME UP WITH AN AWARD FOR WHEN THESE GEEKS AND GOOBERS EXPOSE THEMSELVES ON HERE AS WELL...

@ big east instead on the tony's call it the fony's.............and the fony goes to......

@OVADOSETX432

I LIKE THAT LOL

IF I DONT GET AN ANSWER TO A CERTAIN QUESTION BY THE TIME I LEAVE THE OFFICE I'LL HAVE A NOMINEE....

i think i know who as well.

@CHOCOLATEMORSEL

BEAUTY AND BRAINS IS A DEADLY COMBINATION...

SEEMS SOMEONE GOT CAUGHT AT WORK..

@TYBO2020

LOL

 nercity07 said:
Kappagem said:
@Nercity...

You said there is balance?

Where...

Just because YOU know where to find Little Brother, Common, Mos Def, Dead Prez, etc...

The mainstream don't.  Go ask one of these kids who Little Brother is...they'll say I don't have one.  Or they'll say he has a different mother.

Then ask them to Superman that HO, and watch them go to town.  And I'm not attacking Soulja Boy...I'm talking about what the majors are pushing or putting out to the people...

I'm sorry...that's not balance...

We can't continue to defend ignorance for the sake of saying what WE'RE doing...or what WE know.  You can be CEO of "suck a d*ck records", and the image you portray does more of a disservice than service to our people.  I don't care what responsibilities a 4 person company headed by a CEO does.  They may have the same responsibilities, but that bigger company has the bigger impact.

I know there is "good" music out there...positive music.  I'm saying NONE of that is being pushed or promoted by the majors.

If some cat who is on the corner slangin', bangin', etc...doesn't get a record deal because the next Public Enemy or X-Clan or MC Lyte for that matter gets put on, then I say he can stay on that corner, because his negative influence on our people as a WHOLE in music will have a more lasting negative effect than him getting off the corner.

It's not a direct attack on these artists, but it is an attack on the majors who push them, which in essence, will put less money in they pocket and more in the pockets of some good artists, like a Little Brother.

My issue isn't with the music directly...it's with the sh*t majors are putting out.  We would do better with LESS Lil Wayne's, Soulja Boys, and Gucci's while adding more substance.

And it's obviously deeper than just music...don't get me wrong...

But it's a good start, because if you listen to your Radio One or Clear Channel, artists you be dropping that are "good" are not on the airwaves...


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When Run DMC was doing "Darryl & Joe" or "Rock Box" a lot of people didn't know who they were.

the corner rock slanger doesn't give a f**k about lil wayne or little brother. They'll listen to pac, biggie, jay etc but the main thing is to sell drugs. The biggest influence is the culture of the family than the music. You can have 50 Public Enemies and 30 X-Clans but if father keeps fucking and mother keeps having babies by other dudes while they are being part time fathers the destructive cycle will continue.

Blaming hip hop's so called "embalance" is a cop out.
September 17, 2009 2:41 PM  

^^^^And yet there is an imbalance...

And all you gotta do is go look at #'s.  #'s don't lie.

Go tell me who's in your Top 10, Top 20...

F*ck it...

Top 50...

And show me where the balance is.  Ya'll keep trying to tie sh*t back to Ike beatin' Tina and all the other miscellaneous comments on here that is trying to deflect from the fact that we have more hate and crack music on the airwaves than powerful, uplifting music for OUR people.  Case in point...

n***as is out in the streets trying to live the lives they see portrayed in music videos, or what they hear on the radio...

White folks KNOW it's entertainment...

n***as is trying to live that life.

I don't care WHO's "life" that is that's being portrayed...doesn't change the fact WE stay losing and defending this sh*t...

I ain't knockin' the music.  You wanna talk NWA, but back then I can give you KRS One, Heavy D, Kid N Play, Hammer...

Hell, ya'll can fill in the rest.  I never had a problem with the cats who spit "gangsta" music, or "drug" music, or whatever....It is what it is...people will choose to listen to what they want.

My issue is when OUR youth, OUR people aren't being influenced by anything POSITIVE in hip-hop.  You brought up Little Brother.  Where they at?

They dayum sho ain't gettin' play in my city.

Where Dead Prez?  I ain't heard them on the radio.

Come to think of it...

Give me a list of artists who don't do this:

Push drugs in the music

Push mysogynistic lyrics in the music

Push gangbangin' in they music

Push gay azz clothing trends in they music

Push gay azz dances in they music (I can't defend no Stanky Leg or Superman sh*t)

Man...I could go on and on...

You can't tell me there's no imbalance.  The difference between these debates is I have no issue stating it's way more than JUST hip-hop affecting us and setting us back...

But to say it's not because of imbalance???

Like I said...

Name me 5 artists that aren't spittin' negative sh*t that get top 10 spins...

I'll wait...

Back in the day, we had that

@BIGEAST76CIDE

FOR THE FAKE AND FRAUD n***a'S HOW ABOUT THE FAKE AND FRAUD AWARD OF THE DAY. FOR THE GEEKS AND GOOBERS WE SHOULD SAY THE STEVE ERKYL AWARD OF THE DAY. LOL!!!!

@OvaDoseTX432

YOU RIGHT THEY BOTH OLD, BUT THEM NIGGGA'S GOT HANDS. THAT SHOULD BE A DAM GOOD FIGHT.

#'s don't lie on what Gladys is talkin' bout.

Ya'll can't name any positive artists out there that's gettin' pumped to the public by these majors.

Ya'll know white folks laugh at us cuz we take this sh*t in like it's real.  White kids at home with they Mommy's and Daddy's, and they family is teaching them what's real and what ain't.  Meanwhile, our own people ain't doing sh*t...

Read what I put up from Bill Cosby...

That's REAL...

BILL COSBY - A MUST READ

The Reverend Jesse Jackson almost never gets

upstaged and I had never seen the Reverend

Jesse Louis Jackson cry in public until last month.

 Jackson invited Bill Cosby to the annual Rainbow /

PUSH conference for a conversation about the

controversial remarks the entertainer offered on

May 17 at an NAACP dinner in Washington , D.C.

when America 's Jell-O Man shook things up

by arguing that African Americans were betraying

the legacy of civil rights victories. Cosby said

'the lower economic people are not holding up their

end in this deal. These people are not parenting.

They are buying things for their kids. .

$500 sneakers for what? But they won't spend $200

for Hooked on Phonics!'

Bill Cosby came to town and upstaged the reverend

by going on the offense instead of defending his

earlier remarks. Thursday morning, Cosby showed

no signs of repenting as he strode across the stage

at the Sheraton Hotel ballroom before a standing

room only crowd. Sporting a natty gold sports coat

and dark glasses, he proceeded to unload a Laundry

list of black America 's self-imposed ills. The iconic

actor and comedian kidded that he couldn't compete

with the oratory of the Reverend but he preached

circles around Jackson in their nearly hour-long

conversation, delivering brutally frank one-liners

and the toughest of love.

The enemy, he argues, is us: "There is a time,

ladies and gentlemen, when we have to turn

the mirror around." Cosby acknowledged he wasn't

critiquing all blacks. . .. just the 50 percent of African

Americans in the lower economic neighborhood

who drop out of school, and the alarming proportions

of black men in prison and black teenage mothers.

The mostly black crowd seconded him with choruses

of Amens.

To the critics who pose, it's unproductive to air our

dirty laundry in public, he responds,

"Your dirty laundry gets out of school at 2:30 every day."

It's cursing on the way home, on the bus, train,

in the candy store. They are cursing and grabbing

each other and going nowhere. The book bag is very,

very thin because there's nothing in it.

Don't worry about the white man, he added.

I could care less about what white people think

about me. . . Let them talk.

What are they saying that is so different from what

their grandfathers said and did to us?

What is different is what we are doing to ourselves.

For those who say Cosby is just an elitist who's

"got his" but doesn't understand the plight of the

black poor, he reminds us that,

"We're going to turn that mirror around.

It's not just the poor-everybody's guilty."

Cosby and Jackson lamented that in the 50th years

of Brown vs. Board of Education, our failings betray

our legacy. Jackson dabbed away tears as he

recalled the financial struggles at Fisk University ,

a historically black college and Jackson 's Alma mater.

When Cosby was done, the 1,000 people in the room

all jumped to their feet in ovation.

We have shed tears too many times, at too many

watershed moments before, while the hopes they inspired

have fallen by the wayside. Not this time!

Cosby's plea to parents:

"Before you get to the point where you say 'I can't do

nothing with them' , do something with them."

Teach our children to speak English.

There's no such thing as "talking white".

When the teacher calls, show up at the school.

When the idiot box starts spewing profane rap videos;

turn it off. Refrain from cursing around the kids.

Teach our boys that women should be cherished,

not raped and demeaned.

Tell them that education is a prize we won with blood

and tears, not a dishonor.

Stop making excuses for the agents and abettors

of black on black crime.

It costs us nothing to do these things..

But if we don't, it will cost us infinitely more tears.

We all send thousands of jokes through e-mail

without a second thought, but when it comes

to sending messages regarding life choices,

people think twice about sharing.

The crude, vulgar, and sometimes the obscene

pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion

of decency is too often suppressed in the schools and

workplaces.







"Your dirty laundry gets out of school at 2:30 every day."

@DWILL

WELL ON THAT NOTE THE FONY AWARD (FAKE AND FRAUD) GOES TO THE n***a THAT SPELLED CRIP "CRYPT" AND SAID THEY WEAR RED AND WAS SCARRED TO ANSWER MY QUESTION...

ANY NOMINEE FOR THE STEVE ERKYL??

@OVADOSETX432

I WAS TRYNA HIT VEGAS TOMORROW FOR THE FIGHT. BUT MY SON GOT A FOOTBALL GAME AT THE PARK SATURDAY. I THINK MONEY MAY GONA GET EM THOUGH...

SHE SPEAKING THE TRUTH



KILLING THESE YOUNGSTAS MINDS I'M TELLING

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@BIGEAST76CIDE

IT IS A COUPLE PROSPECTS IN THIS BI-ATCH TODAY WE WILL SEE MY MAN WE WILL SEE.LOL!!!!!!!!!

@DWILL1

HELP ME IDENTIFY THESE MARKS WHEN YOU CAN CUZ REAL n***as NEED TO STAY AWAY THESE CATS...LOL

Wow. I think that the main difference in the 'Ray Charles' days was that never was so much grownfolk issues were in the street for all consumption.

Blaxploitation flicks never lets kids in the theater like that, and weren't meant to make TV. Also they were made 15 years before VHS, 20 before DVD, 35 before online, netflix and so on....

The club ended at the curb with usually a cop telling all to 'take it home behind closed doors. Its a process of technology too , as with these boards 'everybody is exercising their US  so called freedom of speech rights of voicing their opinion albeit electronically of course.

Back in the day( oboy)  it took some effort, a mind, and some good penmanship to even get your letter opened much less read. Now the computer gives all access and does half the work. But the behavior and mindsets don't match in many cases, with the same effort that makes your projected voice possible in the first place.

Enough said , Hip Hop must always pay attention to it's past present and future for it's existence. BTW...Gladys Knight wasn't the writer nor publisher or master owner on many of her songs. Therefore it's not up to her really on the sample tip, unless she really wanted to sue for defamation.

HIP HOP LIVES worldwide but the USA intelligence can't get the GOLD, SILVER, BRASS OR WOOD if it was an Olympics. It has fell more than the dollar itself , in respect, revenue, and regard as far as the USA is concerned. But it can be rebalanced like old rims. You need old heads to tell it like it is , but be thoroughly informed.

On the planet Hip Hop Has never fell off , the classics have never fell on the planet. There is a balance of rebellion AND respect , that's all. It has to pay attention to whats surrounding it.

Enough of me and my one opinion amongst 47,987,4873 heads , but ' As an old head if I could'nt teach, I wouldn't dare open my mouth or pen to speak'.

Ima Go listen to some Gladys...musicwise ...she's perfection.

Chuck D
www.Publicenemy.com
www.SLAMjamz.com

liquidswords95 said:
Now i will say our elders is quick to point out what's wrong with our generation, but the same things was happening in the 50's and 60's, that's happening now. The men use to cheat and abuse their wives, the men had several children out of wedlock, therefore leaving the kids to be raised by a single parent. So when the men growup, they don't know what it's like to be a man. Most hip hop artist came from a single parent home. Like someone said earlier "Pappa was a rolling Stone" rings so true. So our generation is the product of the broken household's, it's a neverending cycle, that's one of the reason's i got married, so my daughter can see a strong family structure, cause that's the foundation.

SAY MY NIGGGA I JUST READ THIS COMMENT. DOG I HAVE A NEW FOUND RESPECT FOR YOU KINFOLK. THAT s**tRIGHT THERE WAS REAL SPILL.

How I see It. In Detroit,we have and had a Slew of Artist Like Her. That era was concreete for Artist. But Alot of them wasnt on there Bizz.  The Black Power Kids Created HipHop.  So Rebellion is always be apart of hip-hop. Its Positive Rap,negative Rap,Gansta Rap,Concious Rap And Even Christan rap. However you want it ,you can get it. All theese Elders that dont enjoy the fruits of labor of this hiphop era,robally dont own there material. But they have and had the pportunity to work closely with theese new artist. Alot of them refused to when the 2 pac era was going down. Running over c.d's. And Majority of most of the real Gansta Rappers A re from a Negative Environment. and Would Love to Sit at the Table or even be embraced by the R & B/Soul Artis  (elders)t. Or Probally they could get Paid without the Middleman. We all Need to Communicate wit one Another. And if Radio and the Heads of theese companies would diversify the Playlist and The Sound. We would Have More Music being displayed to be proud of. Not Just One Style, or same ole,same old!!!!!!! Ahh yall,got me on this one.

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It is so EASY to blame others !
I don't believe HIP HOP is responsible for how people act or carry themselves,anyone over 18 should be capable of making decisions on their own.....
So as for the way people treat others  being the fault of hip hop I don't buy it.

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Gladys Knight has spoke the truth here.

I'm proud of her for calling out on how dreadful this genre has become.

s**tNow Where Was She When They Started Doing That Stuff??No Fucking Where So Why Is She Saying That Now!!!I Hate To See People Judging Somebody Else If They Havn't Been Where That Other Person Was!!!!

 dwill1 said:
f**k ANY AND EVERYBODY THAT HAS A PROBLEM WITH THIS GENRE. RAP MUSIC HAS DONE MORE FOR RACE RELATIONS THEN ANY GENRE YOU CAN NAME. THESE OLD SCHOOL ARTIST ALWAYS GOT SOME NEGITIVE s**tTO SAY BOUT RAP. IF THEY SEE A PROBLEM MAYBE THEY SHOULD FIND AWAY TO HELP IF THEY CARE, IF NOT SHUT THE f**k UP. OH YEA SOME OF YOU NIGGGA'S ON HERE ARE BI-ATCH YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE f**k NIGGGA
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Word Up! i aint no internet thug but u know what..........f**k U Ms. Knight cuz really without this genre more urban kids would be in fucked up situations and furthermore she must only listen to whats on the radio cuz real real hip hop is just that if u to sensitive to accept the harsh realities and not mature enough to understand that it aint your lane to imitate then its not a problem, it all goes back to good parenting our youth i was raised in the "not so good part of town" but im good makin salary and still knockin rap music gladys knight you and all the other ol' skool coons go suck a d**k! one

wtf this b***h crazy have ya'll read her book f**k her she done had her fun and got old now she wants to get saved so she can go to heaven get this bulls**t off here

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ps
tell her ass to donate every damn penny she get off of rappers who sampled her shit

SHE SOUNDS CLOSEMINDED....HIP HOP IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST EXPRESSIONS OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH....AND YEA SOMETIMES WOMEN GET DEGRADED AND THERES ALOT OF BAD EXAMPLES FOR KIDS BUT SHE SHOULD NOT HAVE LET ANYBODY SAMPLE HER s**tIF SHE FELT LIKE THAT..LOL..SHE SHOULD KNOW THAT THERES ALWAYS SOME BAD SEEDS JUST LIKE THERE WAS IN HER GENRE....
THE HOOD IS VULGAR BIG DEAL!!! SHE BEEN WEARING TO MANY NICE DRESSES AND DIAMONDS AND NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE STRUGGLE TO COMPREHEND.
THE WORST PART IS SHE COMES FROM THEM OLD SKOOL GANGSTER AND MAFIA DAYS...
IF SHES GONNA JUDGE LIKE THAT WHAT ABOUT PROSTITUTES THEY DEGRADE THEMSELVES AND WANT MONEY THE EASY WAY....I COULD BRING UP SO MANY MORE EXAMPLES. GO BLAST POP AND THE FERRY TALES THAT CULTURE PROVIDES
PEOPLE FEAR WHAT THEY DONT UNDERSTAND...
MS.KNIGHT GET YOUR MIND RIGHT.
I AM HIP HOP AND ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME....

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when someone (elder Black celebs) without any ties to Hip Hop criticizes the genre and/or questions why Black America is so lost , you guys rush to the boards to debate. The #1 refrain is "Why doesn't he/she do something...What did he/she did she ever do".  She spoke and spoke well. Sometimes with progress you get regress and things get worse than it once was but not all at once.  Ask yourself what the Hell are you doing? Are you a part of the problem? Question your own motives first. Many of you say you don't like the current artists, Tyler Perry (By the way it's still hard as Hell to get a Blk movie green light, Remember "Beloved" & "Malcome X" hard as hell to finish or get distribution name how many non-Tyler Perry blk movies released this year...) the current bangers...then add ya self to the artists FB, Myspace, Twitter & COMPLAIN! Stop listening to the radio, stop watching BET, don't buy the cds, don't even d/l em. Blog about it! Ya better do something because this sh**t is not going to get better. It will get worse .Start hitting those bank accounts & things may get a little better. BTW: The South didn't ruin anything, ignorance & bad music is region free.  Help promote SKILLED artists that are SAYING SOMETHING other than see how much money, how high they are, how many hoes they get....  Just remember, people can control the quality of media content we receive... if we SPEAK UP. Otherwise keep hitting the snooze button....  

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Of course we agree with some of what she said BUT why did Rap music become so successfull, why did Gangsta rap appear?

Answer - There was nothing else like it out there, not everyone can sing like Gladys or Marvin and was there a big enough market for young male soul singers in the 80's and 90's? No - People wanted to hear something different and new and Rap music evolved.  

How it went from Sugar Hill Gang - Afrika Bambatta - Run DMC - Public Enemy - NWA - Today is another question but the world obvioulsy wanted to hear what Dre, Ice Cube or Easy E were saying about there lifes and struggles. White kids in the UK and in Gemany were buying it by the load wanting to hear the stories and the beats that were different to anything they had ever heard.

Snoop,Jay Z,Pac,50 etc looked at the formula that obvioulsy worked and copied then tweeked it. Some rappers took it to an obscene/violent level but some wanted/tried to use it to educate. If pople wanted violence then some rappers would give them violence, if people wanted preaching and the do the right thing than some rappers would do it - The market spoke and the rappers obliged.

50 used the line when dissing Ja Rule(Back Down) which for me sums up what i am trying to say - "I know N****s from your hood, you have no history,never broke nothing,never popped nothing, N**** stop fronting" and at the same time boasted about being shot 12times? These stories sold wither they were true or not, rock,soul or Pop had never covered life in such a way and people were taken by it.

It has evolved just like Soul music evolved into modern RnB.

At the end of the day Gladys Knight is ignorant - When i say ignorant, its not meant 2 b disrespectful - I mean it in terms of she's speakin on somethin she doesnt have a full understanding of - By no means am i callin this woman unintelligent, but she is on the outside lookin in at hiphop and all she see is Bill O'reilly do a show on hip hop, read the NY Post and watch the news blame everything on hip hop - For her to say hip hop has set us back is obserd - The main thing i think people 4get is that music is a form of entertainment, Hov said it best "Scarface the movie did more than scarface the rapper to me" - So when Tyler Perry says the word B!tch in his movie its ok, or when whoeva is selling dr#gs in a movie or shootin g#ns in a action movie or doin dr#gs in a movie its ok, but when a hip hop artist says it were negative or 2 blame - So gladys knight whole preception of hip-hop is negative music - She dont know see that african american paved the way and created a LEGAL means of providing for families, she dont see the MANY CHARITIES hip hop artist have, she dont see the many job opportunities thats created whether it be thru clothin lines, fragrances and countless other business opportunities hip hop has created, she dont see the movies - At the end of the day she's entitled to her opinion but she's speakin on somethin she dont have knowledge on -

ItzOnly1Me said:
At the end of the day Gladys Knight is ignorant - When i say ignorant, its not meant 2 b disrespectful - I mean it in terms of she's speakin on somethin she doesnt have a full understanding of - By no means am i callin this woman unintelligent, but she is on the outside lookin in at hiphop and all she see is Bill O'reilly do a show on hip hop, read the NY Post and watch the news blame everything on hip hop - For her to say hip hop has set us back is obserd - The main thing i think people 4get is that music is a form of entertainment, Hov said it best "Scarface the movie did more than scarface the rapper to me" - So when Tyler Perry says the word B!tch in his movie its ok, or when whoeva is selling dr#gs in a movie or shootin g#ns in a action movie or doin dr#gs in a movie its ok, but when a hip hop artist says it were negative or 2 blame - So gladys knight whole preception of hip-hop is negative music - She dont know see that african american paved the way and created a LEGAL means of providing for families, she dont see the MANY CHARITIES hip hop artist have, she dont see the many job opportunities thats created whether it be thru clothin lines, fragrances and countless other business opportunities hip hop has created, she dont see the movies - At the end of the day she's entitled to her opinion but she's speakin on somethin she dont have knowledge on -
September 18, 2009 8:03 AM



Well said, just because she is a legend in her genre, don't mean we can't disagree with her. Back before rap, a-lot of Motown artist was on drugs or doing other fucked up shit-just like the rappers. But the media wasn't big, wasn't no internet to spread the news as fast now. They did the same as rappers, it's just they didn't sing about reality

Good point by Big Dame -

"Back before rap, a-lot of Motown artist was on drugs or doing other fucked up shit-just like the rappers. But the media wasn't big, wasn't no internet to spread the news as fast now. They did the same as rappers, it's just they didn't sing about reality"

Ray Charles & James Brown were hooked and Marvin & Ike were beating on there wifes everyday of the week. The great Whitney has just come off drugs, just because they dont sing about it does not mean they aint living it.

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Legendary R&B singer Gladys Knight had some harsh words for the genre of Hip-Hop in a recent interview.

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because shes a legendary black singer we have to keep it clean and show some respect...f**k that f**k her and you... rap is rap..and it has done alot for african americans... how else would someone be heard across a wide spectrum like this..damn sure not on the 2 channels dedicated to black folks...wait those channels are owned by white ppl... rap is the voice... if you wanna know what a nice person with no problems is going thru then listen to john legend or somthin... or another genre..thats what rap is for... for a muhfugger voice themselves in there own way.

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There are positive hip-hop artists today.  The mainstream media just doesn't check for them.  BTW...Public Enemy and X-Clan never made much an appearance on the radio charts.  In fact, the biggest acts back in the day couldn't get on radio to begin with.

What's lost is the underground, which used to be the mainstream.  It's still there, but you may have to stop being lazy and look a little.  Furthermore, the current movement in hip-hop is leaving gangsterism behind.  It's almost like a more homo version of the Daisy Age nowadays.  You and Gladys belong in the same barrel.  Crabs!

You know that it is time for us to clean up our act!
Support more inspirational and clean, black music.
Let's stand up and support those that lift up the important things in life.
I know I am!

'RapSpire UR Area!'

www.rapspire.com

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The net effect of HipHop has been a negative to the Black race, and so Empress Gladys is right. However, she recently played in Tyler Perry's new movie, snd he routinely engages in  stereotypes and "blaxpoitation." In "I Can Do Bad By Myself," I was immediately turned off when he chose to villainize the Black man and make the Hispanic the hero.

Gladys, please be consistent and careful about to whom or what endeavors you lend your considerable prestige.

I always get irritated by these type of comments by people that we hold in high esteem. If it was a white person speaking like this, I would brand them a racist. Glady's is respected for her musical talent. Not for her intelligence or political savvy, so she needs to stay out of issues like this.

Hip Hop is not just music. It's culture and politics too. She may be right in what she's saying but it sends out entirely a wrong message. I remember back in 1995, here in the UK, the police commissioner stated publicly that most muggers and robbers in Jail were Black men. The result was most black men getting harrased on the streets by police b'cos they understood it as most black men were robbers and muggers.

For those that aren't too smart let me elaborate. At the time 60% of men in jail for robbery and muggings were black. That actually equated to 10% of black men in Uk. But b'cos of the way the police commissioner said it, it was construed that 60% of black men, walking on the street who were not in jail because they weren't committing any crimes were criminals. Do you get it

Kappagem, That's what Nercity is trying to push to you. If you think the problem lies with the execs that are signing the artists, then state so. But don't put the label hip hop on it. I mean even if she clarified it as Gangsta rap, she would still have been wrong cos she would be putting guys like scarface in that boat when scarface's gangsta rap is about schooling youths on the ills of the gangsta life rather than glorifying it.

Fact is, it is not hip hop that is degrading women and the black community in general. It is the whole political and social framework. Everything in society, from adverts to kids clothing is sexualising our young ladies and turning them into sexual objects. Who is hot in the music industry is being determined by 10 - 14 yr old girls cos they purchase 40% of total music singles sold.

And throughout all this, it's real hip hop that has been fighting this trend. It's real hip hop that said it won't let the mainstream media dictate to us, when we anointed Nas king over Jay'z. And if she thinks Hip Hop is degrading women she needs to listen to Jay'z's track bitches and sisters off his album the Blueprint 2, the curse. It's women that demean women. If you act like a sister, we show you respect, if you act like a b***h, then don't blame Hip Hop if you are called a ho.

Well I got more to say but I'm a few days late so I'll leave it here. I just had to say something cos as an old skool hip hop head, I get irritated by these comments.

I totally support Glady's comment, regarding today's music from our young people. I recently loss my son, 19 yrs of age, last August 9, 2008 around the time when Isaac Hayes and Bernie Mac made their transition. My point is my son just graduated from high school, just passed his proficiency tests, was about to start working as a dispatcher at our local area police station. He was killed execution style by a 16 yr old....Malcolm Daniels. now some of you state that the hip hop music has nothing to do with the way are image is portrayed, I can only say you all are young and have not lived long enough to know-effects like this, make it hard for young people who are trying to have a decent life live.

I always told my son, your music is why our race family is not graduating, they are killing each other etc. Hell if they are so bad, and mad (meaning the young thugs, who are imitating the rappers from the videos)...hell take your frustrations out on who your mad at, which in actuality is the police, s**tgo f**k up their children, beat them up, I bet then police brutatlity will stop, the cops know you all will return to your communities and kill one of your own, when someone steps out of pocket with you.

Our people take out thier frustrations and anger on each other, people that look like them. We are not the enemy. I mean. The murder of my son, has left me with i can't deal with Ni#@*s...You can spot one- they wear their pants so low, they look like a homo thug, the sistahs, have all this false hair going on, I dont understand that, who are they trying to look like the entertainers?? No one at home talking to these young people, the hip hop, BET, all the major media stations are their role models and that is sad.

TIPPY made so much sense in his post about this topic.  I am loss for words and zeal, when it comes to my people, we are like savages, animals, we portray ourselves as pimps hoes, and dope boys, that's are image, rather you like it or not.

The major producers for these rappers are not going to change, cause they see its destroying the PARENT GENE ON THE PLANET which is the black hue man wombman. We do not know our history, nothing about our blood line. So I guess we act a fool, we do whatever, as long as the dollar sign is right. I am so angry at my people, right now, I would never date outside my race, but the children of my people are crazy, fucked up. I feel for you all, as the economy grows worste, who will b robbing and killing WE Will- Black folks, we kill each other, we take our anger out on each other. I told my child all these things, he knew it, but he was mixed in with Ni@#$as who they parents have dropped the ball, so the decent ones have to pay.

Two black men gone, my son, and Malcolm Daniels why???our family have no money,...Malcolm's life is over, at 16...why didn't his mother Pauline Bradley and the father, love that child, taught him to love hisself, then we could have both young men here. I only wish I was eighty, I have a long time to live with this pain, and still raise my other young offspring.

Young people, you have been bought sold and traided, they tricked you all for that money, for fucking up your race. Parents of violent crimes who their son or daughter was not in that life, we should sue lil wayne, all the fucked up hip hoppers out here for f**kin up our young minds, we should sue the producers, the whole shabang who put that garbage out here knowing some weak minds are going to follow suit.  If white folks start killing each other I bet some rich person or non colored person is going to sue the record company, the artist, the whole shabang, and then a law will come out to protect these ass holes for placing this degrading music out here.

I must say i like the old school music, but when i did listen to the hip hop music, i enjoyed Brother's Keepers, Dead Prez, Wu Tang crew, you know up lifiting teaching hip hop music, not this, low, mind Ni*%$mentality stuff. Iam so through with young people, I just had to state this, its helps me with the grievance process. I know my teenager would b mad i am voicing this, but baby, your gone for some sensless sh*#. Exactly what the detective told me. Sensless. Im too emotional to go back and edit, please disregard the typos and spelling. Grieving Mom...miss you Roc. RIP Rodney Maurice Williams Jr. Momma miss you so damn much and the entire family...  

Mrs. Knight is entitled to her opinion. That dont make her undissable, I wont diss her, but I dont half these bulls**t-lames on web sites be on. but my point is she tryin' to sell a movie, this is a hip hop site. but lets put it together...follow me. The problems with "our"  culture are decades in the makin' it started with intergration, which inadvertently allowed the professionals to escape the ghettos ( I aint mad at cha') thus leaving a role model vacum for hustlers gamblers dealers an other questionable characters to become role models, then you have the goverment with the social programs (section 8, afdc, and food stamps) that essentially made it more beneficial (short-term) for a woman to be a single parent than to be a poor an married couple (Ever see GOOD TIMES), then the goverments involment in the crack epidemic etc, etc, not to mention the elders that lived through an watched all this s**thappenin' but instead of doin' something about it decided to blame the babies...her opinion is bogus, and I dont care who she is, after all shes from atlanta, lived through the 60's 70's and 80's soo she should know that our communities been dieing for a long time, hell her an Curtis Mayfield did the Claudine soundtrack  (movie with James Earl Jones about a woman in the situtation I pointed out earlier) check out the Song Mr. Welfare, again shes tryin' to sell a movie, but lets be real the Madea character played perry has set black actors back like 30 years, an to the babies black exploitation movies (so they're called) werent all bad, s**teerry thing Master P did was garbage...

Oh, hell nah, they put that ol' Cosby shit, on here? Make me get my eric dyson on...They referenced elitest, an try to derail that accusation, but that is where this s**tstems from even if cats dont want to admit it. And I do believe Mr. Cosby loves his people, but man.
Wrong is wrong an that lecture an down talkin' was FOUL on sooo many different levels, first off  the problems he's walkin' round is poverty. and its disgusting an embarrasing in any form, from ghettos world wide to trailer parks. And he specifically targeted the lower class blacks, then got real random the next day by sayin' the "50% of blacks" where'd those statistics come from cause he aint hear that from black professors like Michael Eric Dyson did he? or even fellow black entertainers-slash-Real Activist like d**k Gregory or Harry Bellafonte, nah he couldnt have because dont none of them cats feel the same way Cosby "feels" about it, just like a lot of cats that thought about what he was sayin' after they got past the "amens", and got offended or defended? My major issue is he talkin bout

'the lower economic people are not holding up their

end in this deal. These people are not parenting.

somebody get him a script.  All that rappin' an he tryin' to say poor black people are embarrasin' me. Which would've been cool cause hes entitled to his opinion.

@Grievingmother

I'm sorry for your loss but that long editorial of yours doesn't deal with the issue. Hip Hop paints a social picture of someone's environment. So whoever shot your son didn't do so because they listened to Hip Hop. It was because that person grew up in that environment and that has rubbed off on him.

And most parents go on about how their kids were good kids and not living that life. Sweetie, get off here with that shit. The boys pulling triggers ain't got the time for random shooting. 95% of the time, your kids got involved with them on some level that made them think of stepping to him like that.

If your son was a square, he probably would have got his ass beaten with fists or bats. But for them to shoot him, it's cos they knew he would probably roll up on them

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