Man Convicted Of Murdering T.I.'s Assistant 
Published Wednesday, November 26, 2008 2:37 PM
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    By Ace Cannon

    A jury has convicted the man accused of gunning down rapper T.I.'s assistant last May after a show in Cincinnati. Hosea Thomas, 35, was found guilty on all counts - including murder - today (November 26).

     

    Prosecutors alleged that Thomas was the triggerman in the May 3, 2006 shooting, while his brother Padron drove the Jeep that followed two of the rapper's vans down I-75.

     

    The incident stemmed from an earlier altercation inside of Club Ritz, where Hosea was struck in the head with a bottle.

     

    Hosea Thomas was convicted of firing the shots into T.I.'s van that struck and killed Philant Johnson, who died from a gunshot wound to the left temple.

     

    Three other members of T.I.'s entourage were injured during the exchange, which took place on the interstate.

     

    Hosea Thomas was convicted after a number of people testified he was the shooter, including his own brother Padron, who will receive a lesser sentence for his cooperation.

     

    Thomas faces 20 years to life in prison when he is sentenced December 23.

     

    In related news, T.I. and his Grand Hustle cohorts plan to give back to their Atlanta community through a series of charitable events this Thanksgiving.



    Following a press conference, which kicks off at 9:00 am, T.I. and his entourage will help serve food and will also speak encouraging words to the children and parents in attendance.


    At 7:00 PM, T.I. will head to Adamsville Recreation Center, where he and members of his Grand Hustle imprint will host a turkey giveaway.

     

    Later, the rapper will head to Turner Field, where he will take part in the Feed The Hungry & Homeless event.

     


    Comments

     

    TJuice said:

    first
    November 26, 2008 6:34 PM
     

    Eight Mile Road Music News » Man Convicted Of Murdering T.I.’s Assistant said:

    November 26, 2008 6:39 PM
     

    DatBoyFresh said:

    To quote someone else....

    The snitch ignorant snitch comments start in 3...2...1...
    November 26, 2008 6:45 PM
     

    DatBoyFresh said:

    ignorant snitch comments, not snitch ignorant snitch lol
    November 26, 2008 6:47 PM
     

    MAINE MAN said:

    Hell yea...Good for him...
    November 26, 2008 6:54 PM
     

    Delwons said:

    if my homie got murdered right in front of me i would testify what i saw too. if i knew who did it ill probably be a defendant if the cops didnt get him first. If you cant understand that then i dunno what to tell you...
    November 26, 2008 6:55 PM
     

    MIYAYO305_786 said:

    I'm from the streets & this is snitchin to its finest...Busta & Swiss Beats coulda testisfied but they didnt...2pac could have done the same but he didn't...I'm not an e-thug because I'm from I different cloth...I seen friends get 205 years & etc so don't get it fucked up but here's the evidence that TI testified in this case to cut a deal with the gov't....Listen to the news broadcaster...."All witness recieved a deal with the gov't"...I know it wass a tough pill to swallow but if u from the streets u gotta play the game by the rules...U know what u gettin urself into once u step in those grounds....Hopefully he makes positive music for now on because he lose all street cred what so ever....If u going be one way stay that way because u cant glorify one thing and then break all the rules when shit hits the fan...
    November 26, 2008 7:13 PM
     

    sean_millz said:

    nigga fuck that street code shit dude this is a new day and age ppl tired of young dumb niggas fucking up the communities with bull and 9 times of 10 you think your friends live the same code as you until they get in that box ...im tired of us killin us for no reason at all.. what was the point of shooting in the van anyway? what because he could not get in v.i.p , because he got shoved by security , what was the point he did not get who he wanted and a innocent man lost his life to senseless violence...what happened to a good knuckle up...too many niggas scared to fight so they grab a gun!!!!
    November 26, 2008 7:23 PM
     

    WHEREDAHATERSAT said:

    all because of the snitch t.i. the nigga that killed t.i.'s friend didn't get caught until after t.i. caught them gun charges in 2008 the shooting happend in 2006 smh t.i. fuck you you rat face bastard
    November 26, 2008 7:24 PM
     

    carlitov said:

    wanna know what's fucked up? this dude got bottled up and he's a street dude. what did they expect was going to happen? best friend or not, if you gonna bottle somebody up, you better be expecting something to pop off...wtf.
    November 26, 2008 7:28 PM
     

    pharoahdagreat said:

    the man's own brother testified against him. that tells you what type of man this was he basiccally shot up a car full of people because of something thta happened in the club and he was so lowdown his own brother and pointed him out. snitching my ass that could be called purifying the community
    November 26, 2008 7:33 PM
     

    PEACETOTHEREAL1 said:

    This type of shit happens all the time and NO I do not feel sorry for T.I.

    You are out of town and you POP SHIT and you think because you're T.I. you can talk to niggas however you want or do whatever you want. You can't! That's why your man got shot. Not because of anything other than some regular out of town street shit that you should have known not to get in to. It's your fault that your man is dead just as much as it is the man who pulled the trigger.

    People are like...good for you T.I.P...nigga you shouldna started shit that you couldn't finish end of story.

    Should have been humble...now look at you...and then the other day your man could have got shot runnin around like an idiot and you'd be right back on the stand.

    Smarten up dummy.
    November 26, 2008 7:35 PM
     

    PEACETOTHEREAL1 said:

    @ pharoahdagreat

    His brother was the one driving...you don't think he knew his brother was shooting at people? He took the deal so they didn't both have to do life.
    November 26, 2008 7:45 PM
     

    YoungG757NGE said:

    I can tell by the comments that half of yall niggas aint in the streets at all. To be considered a snitch u have to benefit from the information that u givin up. Snitchin is not testifyin what u saw cuz ya boy got merked. Snitchin is tellin on a nigga when u facin time to reduce or eliminate your sentence plain & simp. In other words if u aint the defendant or states evidence then that does not constitute snitchin. TI's other case dont have nothin to do wit this 1 they're in 2 completely different jurisdictions(different states for u dumb mufuckas) so they dont correlate(dont got shit to do wit each otha again for u dumb mufuckas). Holla at ya nigga
    November 26, 2008 8:00 PM
     

    MixtapeDJs.net said:

    SMH....
    Damn man, yall niggaz KILL me with that no snitch shit. Yall niggaz watch too many movies for real. Exactly why I HATE niggaz..
    But love black people.


    Street code bullshit, grow the fuck up
    November 26, 2008 8:02 PM
     

    Rocky1985 said:

    to clear the air, his brother is NOT being charged at all for driving the car. not even probation.
    November 26, 2008 8:05 PM
     

    blackrome said:

    His brother is the true snitch. When you do a crime with a person and then tell on them that is the definition of snitching.

    Somehow you stupid ass youngings got the definition fucked up.

    The person who normally snitches on your dumb ass is the person doing the crime with you.

    If you involve innocent people then it's on you to take care of your business better.


    "Hosea Thomas was convicted after a number of people testified he was the shooter, including his own brother Padron,"

    November 26, 2008 8:07 PM
     

    TRUTHFROMDABOOT said:

    MIYAYO305_786 said:
    I'm from the streets & this is snitchin to its finest...Busta & Swiss Beats coulda testisfied but they didnt...2pac could have done the same but he didn't...I'm not an e-thug because I'm from I different cloth...I seen friends get 205 years & etc so don't get it fucked up but here's the evidence that TI testified in this case to cut a deal with the gov't....Listen to the news broadcaster...."All witness recieved a deal with the gov't"...I know it wass a tough pill to swallow but if u from the streets u gotta play the game by the rules...U know what u gettin urself into once u step in those grounds....Hopefully he makes positive music for now on because he lose all street cred what so ever....If u going be one way stay that way because u cant glorify one thing and then break all the rules when shit hits the fan...
    ______________________________________________________

    you are an e-thug at it's finest, BUSTA is a bitch someone shot his homie in front of him and he is SCARED to tell who did it not keeping it REAL dumb ass.  If he was going to handle in the street is one thing but just not telling because he is afraid is not GANGSTA that's HOMO.... LMAO   Swissbeats got sweet-n-low running through his veins, he's a bitch also he is not going to ride on the nigga's that was trying to kill him and hit ole boy, he not holding to any street code that nigga SCARED..... The jury is out on PAC he talked alot of shit on wax but work I ever heard he put in is letting off shots at ATL PD and beating the hell out of dude in the hotel in Vegas, but that was with like six niggas who cant crowd a nigga to get their rocks off. GFOH bad examples of niggas keepin it real all the way round, not talkinf because you are afraid is not gangsta it's straight HOMO

    P.S. knowing people doing grown man time don't certify you as a real son, I know dudes doing life plus 99, and in louisiana life is just that life, no probation, no parole! T.I. is pushing 30 it's time for him to grow the fuck up and set an example for the youth, we been living this foolishness in our community since the early 80's crack epidemic it's time we take the hood back.  F*CK ALL YOU REAL NIGGAS, DIE A SLOW DEATH, so black people can live happily ever after.
    November 26, 2008 8:12 PM
     

    MIYAYO305_786 said:

    Shit like this happens all the time & just because he is a celeb....He shouldnt get a pass...if this was anybody else he would be a snitch but since he's TI most of his fan wanna take up for him...If TI really wanted to testify & find his hommie killers he woulda did it from jump street...He already know who the people was and that the reason y he got the guns to get them eye for eye...TI testimony was for the sole purpose to look out for himself because if he was a "stand up citizen" this woulda been done long time ago...I dont know why people surprise he on the stand anyway because he was going snitch on his homeboy on MTV Punk'd....Do yall remember that episode with the bullets...Ya keep it real...He just fold & its plan & simple...
    November 26, 2008 8:13 PM
     

    thaman1010 said:

    That last part didn't make sense....on thanksgiving t.i. is going to take part in the "Hosea feed the hungry & homeless event". I know that can't be right. An event named after the shooter? Ha. And what was a washed up 35 yr old nigga doing up in the club anyway? Niggas 35 and 40 still trying to thug it out.
    November 26, 2008 8:19 PM
     

    odeisel said:

    now hopefully we can move on
    November 26, 2008 8:25 PM
     

    LiteBrite said:

    Are yall niggas serious??? The nigga's own brother testified against him and yall callin TI the snitch?  Last time I checked, if you participated in a crime & somebody got killed you were just as guilty too.  But his brother didnt get charged with shit.  This dude drove a fucking getaway car involved with a murder and didnt even get a reckless driving charge.  That nigga had to do some serious ass talking to get away like that.  He was probably at the station telling about the candy he stole from the store in the 3rd grade just to get off like this.  

    That nigga Tip is a stand up dude.  He got his own future, kids, and career to look after, and could've had that all taken from him b/c the jealous ass niggas was mad because some out of towners was getting shine in they city.  That nigga deserve that jail time he about to get.  
    November 26, 2008 8:25 PM
     

    Rig said:

    YoungG757NGE
    That the way it is you right though!
    November 26, 2008 8:27 PM
     

    thaman1010 said:

    and it looks like t.i. is trying to get some of those required community service hours knocked out on thanksgiving...these niggas are hilarious. This must be a joke, how are you going to have a thanksgiving feed the hungry & homeless charity event sponsored by the shooter?
    November 26, 2008 8:32 PM
     

    thaman1010 said:

    and it looks like t.i. is trying to get some of those required community service hours knocked out on thanksgiving...these niggas are hilarious. This must be a joke, how are you going to have a thanksgiving feed the hungry & homeless charity event sponsored by the shooter?
    November 26, 2008 8:32 PM
     

    thaman1010 said:

    ok thank you allhiphop glad to see you caught that error.
    November 26, 2008 8:37 PM
     

    x2npacx said:

    Cosign Delwons, sean_millz, and YoungG757NGE 100% Couldn't have said it better... mufuccers are so dumb it's unbelievable. Yall straight eating up that "street" shit. Where the fuck has that gotten you niggas? It ain't nothing but a cycle of stupidity and ignorance. If my homie got shot in front of me, or any1 for that matter, I'ma be a man, and get that nigga off the street, cause that shit ain't necessary. If these so-called "street" dudes are so hard, why the fuck they always pickin' up a gun. That shit is for bitches, honestly, that's afraid to get em up.

    Anyways I was just gonna comment on the article until I read all these dumb ass comments about "snitch this, snitch that".

    But TI is gonna be at Turner Field at the "<b><u>Hosea</b></u> Feed The Hungry & Homeless event"?...Is that a coincidence or another instance of poor writing?
    November 26, 2008 8:39 PM
     

    DefWorks said:

    Eh. The guy's own BROTHER snitched on him for a reduced sentence-- point blank period. All you fake thugs need to take up a literacy class.

    You have no argument.

    The reason he's going to jail is because his BROTHER drove the damn car, he was shooting out of, talked.

    Smh, the hate for TI is strong on this site.
    November 26, 2008 8:40 PM
     

    MIYAYO305_786 said:

    This is for everybody who dont think TI snitch....The news reporter said all witness recieved deals from the gov't.

    @LiteBrite

    I respect ur opinion but if u tell on another person to recieve a lesser sentence what is that....I believe it snitchin...U tell me but here's the link....Skip to 1:35

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohp3w7OpY-8
    November 26, 2008 8:44 PM
     

    x2npacx said:

    haha Hosea's name got taken off the event after I submitted the last comment. Proofreading would save all that trouble AHH!
    November 26, 2008 8:44 PM
     

    baynig4sho said:

    I THINK YALL GOT YALL DEFINITION OF SNITCHIN FROM T.V. LOL(GANGLAND,AMERICANGANGSTER LOL)

    TI DID SNITCH.IVE BEEN THROUGH THE SAME THING AND DIDNT SNITCH SO WHATS WRONG WITH THIS NIGGA.

    YOU KNOW THATS A FUNNY THING ABOUT STREET NIGGAS THEY ALL TALK A GOOD GAME BUT YOU CAN NEVER REALLY TELL WHO GOT THAT BITCH IN EM.

    THIS SITUATION REMINDS ME OF THE ELECTION.JUST WHEN PEOPLE STARTED TO SAY THERES NO RACISM ALL THIS RACIST SHIT COMES UP.SAME THING HERE.ALL THESE POSTS ON HERE TALK ABOUT THEY STREET AND SHIT AND THEN IN THE NEXT SENTENCE SAY ID SNITCH TOO.THATS CUZ YOUR A BITCH MY FRIEND.STOP PRETENDING TO BE FROM THE STREETS WHEN YOU LIVE IN YOUR MOMS TWO STORY 4 BEDROOOM 3 AND A HALF BATHROOM HOUSE.YALL DONT GOTTA LIE TO KICK IT.

    AND TO THE TI FANS DEFENDING HIM.YO..I THINK TI IS A REAL TALENTED DUDE AND IVE LIKED HIM UP TO THIS POINT BUT NOW I CANT TAKE HIS MUSIC AT FACE VALUE ANYMORE CUZ NOW I KNOW HE REALLY AINT BUILT LIKE THAT.SORRY YALL I THOUGHT TI WAS A REAL NIGGA TOO BUT LIKE I SAID YOU REALLY NEVER KNOW.  
    November 26, 2008 8:51 PM
     

    poe said:

    it's over, case closed.
    November 26, 2008 8:56 PM
     

    Meatwad Get Da Money said:

    i hate niggas who say i hate niggas but love black people. we all niggas to another race my nigga.
    November 26, 2008 8:59 PM
     

    Hoeyuno said:

    Im proud of T.I. he proved to be a man in a world where taking the stand can lose him fans and respect.... but i saw a interview with him and maino a couple days before and if maino aint gonna call him on it I dont think anyone will.. I mean maino is as street as it gets except... sometimes you gotta do stuff even if your peers wouldnt agree for family man... HOEYUNO SAID IT....oNe
    November 26, 2008 8:59 PM
     

    Meatwad Get Da Money said:

    MIYAYO305_786 said:
    Shit like this happens all the time & just because he is a celeb....He shouldnt get a pass...if this was anybody else he would be a snitch but since he's TI most of his fan wanna take up for him...If TI really wanted to testify & find his hommie killers he woulda did it from jump street...He already know who the people was and that the reason y he got the guns to get them eye for eye...TI testimony was for the sole purpose to look out for himself because if he was a "stand up citizen" this woulda been done long time ago...I dont know why people surprise he on the stand anyway because he was going snitch on his homeboy on MTV Punk'd....Do yall remember that episode with the bullets...Ya keep it real...He just fold & its plan & simple...

    OOOH SHIT NIGGA I FORGOT ALL ABOUT THAT PUNK'D EPISODE!!! THAT NIGGA WAS TELLIN HIS ASS OFF! "HE PACKED THE BAG! COME ON SHAWTY TELL HIM YOU PACKED THAT BAG, THEM AIN'T MINE!" LMAO. but good look on that nigga gettin convicted tho, u do the crime you should do the time even tho tha same niggas on here that mirror this sentiment was screamin "free t.i." last year. but its all good!
    November 26, 2008 9:04 PM
     

    baynig4sho said:

    AND LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR IF YOU GIVE INFORMATION THAT MAY IMPLICATE ANYONE IN A CRIME YOU ARE A SNITCH AND IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOU KNEW THEM OR NOT.

    WHEN TI GOES TO JAIL THEY WILL HAVE TO PUT HIM IN A PLACE CALLED "PROTECTIVE CUSTODY"AND FOR YOU LAME BRAINS THATS WHERE THE SNITCHES AND OTHER OFFENDERS LIKE RAPISTS AND CHILD MOLESTERS.BACAUSE IF YOU PUT THEM IN GENERAL POPULATION THEY WOULD AT THE VERY LEAST GET THE LIVIN SHIT BEAT OUT OF THEM AND MORE THAN LIKELY STABED OR KILLED.TI NOW HAS PAPERWORK ON HIM WHICH MEANS HE AINT SAFE IN JAIL NO MORE THIS IS WHAT A SNITCH IS KIDS.
    November 26, 2008 9:06 PM
     

    SagNasty989 said:

    @MIYAYO: MAN SHUT YA LIL DUMB ASS UP...LIVING YO LIL FANTASY GANGSTA STREET THUG DREAMS ON THE NET...MAN "SNITCHING" "TAKING THE STAND" HAS BEEN DONE BY SOME OF THE MOST NOTORIOUS,GRUSOME,VIOLENT MUTHAFUCKAS TO WALK THE FACE OF THE EARTH...THAT SHIT IS GETTIN BORING NOW.. "DONT SNITCH"...THEN YO DUMB ASS GONE BIG UP SWIZZ BEATS AND BUSTA RHYMES AS IF THEY HEROIC BECAUSE THEY NOT TALKIN BOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO OL BOY THAT LOST HIS LIFE...NIGGA ON BLOOD FUCK BUSTA! SHIT, THAT AINT SNITCHIN, HIS FRIEND GOT GUNNED DOWN!!! IF HE PLANNED IT AND WAS IN ON IT THEN HE TESTIFY THE MAYBE....BITCH ASS NIGGAS TALKIN THIS STREET CODE SHIT...U DUMB FUC THERE IS NOOOOOOOOO STREET CODE!!!! THATS T.V. YOU WATCHNIN...YOU WATCHIN TO MANY SMACK DVD'S...TOO MANY MAFIA MOVIES...THIS REALITY YOU FAG ASS NIGGA...AINT NO RULES IN THE STREETS....YOU KNOW HOW MANY OF OUR NATIONS MOST DANGEROUS GANGS DUN TESTIFIED AMONG OTHERS???THEM SAME MUFUCKAS THAT TESTIFIED WOULD HAVE YOU SCRUBBING THEY SHIT STAIN UNDER WEAR YOU LAME ASS NIGGA....ANYONE KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE NEED TO BE LOCKED THE FUCK UP..NOT OUT HERE HAVING A BALL AND JACKING OFF TO PORN...YOU LAME ASS NIGGA, MOST YOU NIGGAS TALKIN THAT "DONT SNITCH" SHIT PROBABLY ARE COLLEGE KIDS OR FORMER COLLEGE BOYS THAT USED TO HAVE YA MOMMA SEND YOU CARE PACKAGES....FUCK OUTTA HERE..
    November 26, 2008 9:07 PM
     

    SagNasty989 said:

    @MIYAYO: MAN SHUT YA LIL DUMB ASS UP...LIVING YO LIL FANTASY GANGSTA STREET THUG DREAMS ON THE NET...MAN "SNITCHING" "TAKING THE STAND" HAS BEEN DONE BY SOME OF THE MOST NOTORIOUS,GRUSOME,VIOLENT MUTHAFUCKAS TO WALK THE FACE OF THE EARTH...THAT SHIT IS GETTIN BORING NOW.. "DONT SNITCH"...THEN YO DUMB ASS GONE BIG UP SWIZZ BEATS AND BUSTA RHYMES AS IF THEY HEROIC BECAUSE THEY NOT TALKIN BOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO OL BOY THAT LOST HIS LIFE...NIGGA ON BLOOD FUCK BUSTA! SHIT, THAT AINT SNITCHIN, HIS FRIEND GOT GUNNED DOWN!!! IF HE PLANNED IT AND WAS IN ON IT THEN HE TESTIFY THE MAYBE....BITCH ASS NIGGAS TALKIN THIS STREET CODE SHIT...U DUMB FUC THERE IS NOOOOOOOOO STREET CODE!!!! THATS T.V. YOU WATCHNIN...YOU WATCHIN TO MANY SMACK DVD'S...TOO MANY MAFIA MOVIES...THIS REALITY YOU FAG ASS NIGGA...AINT NO RULES IN THE STREETS....YOU KNOW HOW MANY OF OUR NATIONS MOST DANGEROUS GANGS DUN TESTIFIED AMONG OTHERS???THEM SAME MUFUCKAS THAT TESTIFIED WOULD HAVE YOU SCRUBBING THEY SHIT STAIN UNDER WEAR YOU LAME ASS NIGGA....ANYONE KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE NEED TO BE LOCKED THE FUCK UP..NOT OUT HERE HAVING A BALL AND JACKING OFF TO PORN...YOU LAME ASS NIGGA, MOST YOU NIGGAS TALKIN THAT "DONT SNITCH" SHIT PROBABLY ARE COLLEGE KIDS OR FORMER COLLEGE BOYS THAT USED TO HAVE YA MOMMA SEND YOU CARE PACKAGES....FUCK OUTTA HERE..
    November 26, 2008 9:07 PM
     

    Daily Recap - 11/26/08 at SNICKA.com said:

    November 26, 2008 9:15 PM
     

    thaman1010 said:

    I keep trying tell you niggas t.i. is not a snitch just a bitch. When shit popped off t.i.(aka mr. rubberband man, the same a-town g that tries to go hardbody all the damn time), ran his scary ass to the stand to testify as soon as his partna got blown off the map ASAP.
    November 26, 2008 9:21 PM
     

    baynig4sho said:

    @SAGNASTY

    DID YOU SAY A SNITCH WOULD HAVE NIGGAS WASHING THEY DRAWERS IN PRISON?

    YOUVE NEVER BEEN LOCKED UP IN YOUR LIFE HAVE YOU?

    MAYBE YOU JUST FROM A BITCH ASS PLACE AND IT AINT YOUR FAULT BECAUSE IN MOST GHETTOS IF A NIGGA EVEN TALK TO THE POLICE AND THAT SHIT LOOKS WRONG IT COULD PUT YOU IN A FUCKED UP SITUATION.

    YOU AINT STREET OR YOUD KNOW BETTER. FUCK OUTTA HERE.
    November 26, 2008 9:23 PM
     

    sm0ked0ut said:

    Smh @ All these niggas tryna justify snitchin, yall outta be ashamed of yourselves.......
    November 26, 2008 9:24 PM
     

    thaman1010 said:

    What was t.i. doing with all of those guns if he really believed that justice could be served in court? If he really thought justice could be served in court then he wouldn't have been caught trying to buy more firearms in the first place. Him testifying, even though his case is unrelated, was done so that he could look good in the eyes of the law and society after the fact.
    November 26, 2008 9:35 PM
     

    Molotov-4 said:

    I dunno what to think about this . Sometime i think we should not snitch and sometime i think the NO Snitching Iz dumb . But if a friend of mine get killed , i would testify if i can't get revenge .
    November 26, 2008 9:40 PM
     

    thaman1010 said:

    To all of you T.I. defenders and snitch lovers...allhiphop should donate a bottle of lotion to you niggas so ya'll can jack off to the video of T.I's testimony.
    November 26, 2008 9:40 PM
     

    SagNasty989 said:

    MIYAYO MAN IF YOU DONT SHUT YO LAME ASS FANTASY MAFIOSO WANNA BE STREET ASS UP....GO TAKE A NAP...YOU SOUND LIKE A DAMN FOOL....LIKE I SAID BEFO ITS MUFUCKAS TAKIN THE STAND EVERYDAY..BLOODS...CRIPS...SURENOS...LATIN KINGS...GD'S...ETC...ETC...TESTIMONY IN LIGHT OF GETTING IGNANT NIGGAS WHAT THEY DESERVE FA KILLING YO BEST FRIEND AINT SNITCHIN UNLESS T.I. AND HOSEA PLANNED THIS TOGETHER...NIGGAS BE WATCHIN TOO MUCH SMACK DVD'S AND TOO MUCH T.V....AINT NO STREET CODE!!! AINT NO FUCKIN CODES OR RULES IN THE STREET DUMB ASS NIGGA....ITS MANY VIOLENT CRIMINAL ASS NOTORIOUS THUG ASS MUFUCKAS THAT TOOK THE STAND THAT WOULD HAVE U SCRUBING THE SHIT STAIN FROM THEY DRAWS IN THE PEN U LAME ASS NIGGA...GO TO A COMMUNITY CENTER THAT HAS PICTURES OF 100'S OF VICTIMS ON THE WALL RANGING FROM CHILDREN TO OTHER INNOCENT VICTIMS...FROM BEING MURDERED,ABDUCTED,SEXUALLY ABUSED THEN MURDERED,GANG VIOLENCE CROSS FIRE...GO TO THOSE COMMUNITY CENTERS AND PREACH TO THE YOUTH THEIR HOW HONORABLE YOU ARE FOR BEING THE STREET CODE GOD FEARING MAN YOU ARE...GO TO THEIR FAMILIES AND SHARE YOUR TRIUPMHANT TESTIMONY HOW YOU NEVER WOULD TAKE THE STAND..SURE THAT'LL EASE THEIR PAIN....FAG ASS NIGGA
    November 26, 2008 9:43 PM
     

    SagNasty989 said:

    MIYAYO MAN IF YOU DONT SHUT YO LAME ASS FANTASY MAFIOSO WANNA BE STREET ASS UP....GO TAKE A NAP...YOU SOUND LIKE A DAMN FOOL....LIKE I SAID BEFO ITS MUFUCKAS TAKIN THE STAND EVERYDAY..BLOODS...CRIPS...SURENOS...LATIN KINGS...GD'S...ETC...ETC...TESTIMONY IN LIGHT OF GETTING IGNANT NIGGAS WHAT THEY DESERVE FA KILLING YO BEST FRIEND AINT SNITCHIN UNLESS T.I. AND HOSEA PLANNED THIS TOGETHER...NIGGAS BE WATCHIN TOO MUCH SMACK DVD'S AND TOO MUCH T.V....AINT NO STREET CODE!!! AINT NO FUCKIN CODES OR RULES IN THE STREET DUMB ASS NIGGA....ITS MANY VIOLENT CRIMINAL ASS NOTORIOUS THUG ASS MUFUCKAS THAT TOOK THE STAND THAT WOULD HAVE U SCRUBING THE SHIT STAIN FROM THEY DRAWS IN THE PEN U LAME ASS NIGGA...GO TO A COMMUNITY CENTER THAT HAS PICTURES OF 100'S OF VICTIMS ON THE WALL RANGING FROM CHILDREN TO OTHER INNOCENT VICTIMS...FROM BEING MURDERED,ABDUCTED,SEXUALLY ABUSED THEN MURDERED,GANG VIOLENCE CROSS FIRE...GO TO THOSE COMMUNITY CENTERS AND PREACH TO THE YOUTH THEIR HOW HONORABLE YOU ARE FOR BEING THE STREET CODE GOD FEARING MAN YOU ARE...GO TO THEIR FAMILIES AND SHARE YOUR TRIUPMHANT TESTIMONY HOW YOU NEVER WOULD TAKE THE STAND..SURE THAT'LL EASE THEIR PAIN....FAG ASS NIGGA
    November 26, 2008 9:43 PM
     

    SagNasty989 said:

    MIYAYO MAN IF YOU DONT SHUT YO LAME ASS FANTASY MAFIOSO WANNA BE STREET ASS UP....GO TAKE A NAP...YOU SOUND LIKE A DAMN FOOL....LIKE I SAID BEFO ITS MUFUCKAS TAKIN THE STAND EVERYDAY..BLOODS...CRIPS...SURENOS...LATIN KINGS...GD'S...ETC...ETC...TESTIMONY IN LIGHT OF GETTING IGNANT NIGGAS WHAT THEY DESERVE FA KILLING YO BEST FRIEND AINT SNITCHIN UNLESS T.I. AND HOSEA PLANNED THIS TOGETHER...NIGGAS BE WATCHIN TOO MUCH SMACK DVD'S AND TOO MUCH T.V....AINT NO STREET CODE!!! AINT NO FUCKIN CODES OR RULES IN THE STREET DUMB ASS NIGGA....ITS MANY VIOLENT CRIMINAL ASS NOTORIOUS THUG ASS MUFUCKAS THAT TOOK THE STAND THAT WOULD HAVE U SCRUBING THE SHIT STAIN FROM THEY DRAWS IN THE PEN U LAME ASS NIGGA...GO TO A COMMUNITY CENTER THAT HAS PICTURES OF 100'S OF VICTIMS ON THE WALL RANGING FROM CHILDREN TO OTHER INNOCENT VICTIMS...FROM BEING MURDERED,ABDUCTED,SEXUALLY ABUSED THEN MURDERED,GANG VIOLENCE CROSS FIRE...GO TO THOSE COMMUNITY CENTERS AND PREACH TO THE YOUTH THEIR HOW HONORABLE YOU ARE FOR BEING THE STREET CODE GOD FEARING MAN YOU ARE...GO TO THEIR FAMILIES AND SHARE YOUR TRIUPMHANT TESTIMONY HOW YOU NEVER WOULD TAKE THE STAND..SURE THAT'LL EASE THEIR PAIN....FAG ASS NIGGA
    November 26, 2008 9:43 PM
     

    Six6SoCaliGuy said:

    BOTTOM LINE T.I. IS A SNITCH! I DONT CARE WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES WERE! IF HE WAS A REAL STREET DUDE HE WOULD HAVE NEVER TOOK THE STAND OR SAID A WORD, HE WOULD HAVE DONE IT ANOTHER WAY CALLED STREET JUSTICE!!

    SEE, I GREW UP IN COMPTON AND SOUTH CENTRAL LOS ANGELES DURING THE MENACE TO SOCIETY DAYS!

    THESE RAPPERS GO AROUND TALKING ABOUT HOW HARD THEY ARE BUT CANT BACK THAT SHIT UP! IF HE WAS A G LIKE HE SAYS HE IS IN HIS RECORDS HE WOULD HAVE ROLLED ON THEM CAT'S!
    I KNOW, I KNOW IM GONNA GET BACKLASH FOR THIS BUT I DONT GIVE A DAMN!
    I WENT TO COLLEGE AND HAVE TRAVELED THE WORLD PLAYING BALL AND SEEN A LOT OF SHIT.
    IM SO TIRED OF THESE STUDIO THUGS WITH ALL THE BARK BUT NO BITE!
    NOW HIS CREW IS FIGHTING WITH SHAWTY LO'S!! WHAT THE FUCK IS THESE NIGGAS THINKING! GET YO MONEY AND KEEP IT MOVIN!
    P.S.
    REAL TALK THE ONLY RAP CAT I EVER SEEN IN L.A. BY HIMSELF WITH NO POSSE IS THE GAME.

    November 26, 2008 9:44 PM
     

    elflaks said:

    alot of people talk down on snitchin because of what they've been told.so they form an opinion based on peer preasure.you dont know who will do what until the time calls for people to play the cards they are dealt.then we see whose who.Busta rhymes is a bitch ass nigga,so is swizz,fuck that shitty rat race code you live by someone kills my life long freind,im out for justice no matter what.that takes more balls than what might most think it does.before you open your mouth,think of your mother crying over your casket askin"why".
    November 26, 2008 9:50 PM
     

    SagNasty989 said:

    @baynigfasho...man shut yo bitch ass up..pussy mufucka...i know  a nigga from gangsta desciples that snitched on a few niggas and he aint in no p.c...dumb ass nigga...thats t.v you watchin..its some rat ass niggas that be out in the yard..lot be in p.c too...nigga get up off the computer supa thug...go committ a crime and see what its like yaself bitch ass nigga...yo pussy ass probably dun washed a few draws or two that's why you offended n upset you pussy...
    November 26, 2008 9:51 PM
     

    mr.201973 said:

    November 26, 2008 9:55 PM
     

    Power_wisdom said:

    It's a different from testifing about an event and snitching.  The state of Ohio did not need TI to snitch.  They already had an eye witness.  THe dude brother.  What I seen in the video was TI discribe the event that took place. (To paint the dude as an upset cold blood killer) What was the chances that TI knew or remember or even saw the man who was shooting at him.  It was 2 years ago.  WHat the court probably told TI was you will not be held liable for an thing you tell us.  DId you peep how TI said that gun fire was return from his car?  As for his gun case, how can TI snitch on the shooter to get off on that case?  THink about it.  If you went out of state and got in a fight with someone you didn't know and your man got shot up, how much infor could you give the cops about the dude 2 years later?  Do you think the state of Georgia care about what happen in Ohio and cut someone a deal to testify in another state?  TI had all those guns not to go after the guy(WHats he going to do drive all the way to Ohio to shot the dude that he don't know cause he is not from up there?)  It was to make sure another esipode like that didn't happen again. If a mask man robs a bank that you are in and you are called to testify about the event, do that make you a snitch?  No because you can't id the man.  You can just talk about the event that took place. People wake up.
    November 26, 2008 9:56 PM
     

    abgtypenigga504 said:

    convicted.....LMFAO! i smella RAT BRUH! LOLOLOL LMFAO DAMN HOMIE LOL LMFAO!!! this shit funny as hell it makes my day everyfuckin day i see this story lmfao...
    November 26, 2008 9:59 PM
     

    MR.100STACKZ said:

    YEP DATZ A MUTHAFUKKIN FACT DAT T.I SNITCHED DEM NIGGAZ AINT EVEN HAV ALOT OF EVIDENCE UNTIL DA BROTHA SNITCHED IF T.I AINT TAK DA STAND DEY CUDA WALKED
    November 26, 2008 10:07 PM
     

    Crenshaw_Mafia said:

    U cats got the game fucked up. If you get a called upon to testify by the court then you have to cooperate if you lie about what happen or tell the truth. I called upon to testify against my cousin on a murda that I did not even see. They were hoping that I would talk negative about him but when told the court that he does good things in the community they(50) harrased me everyday threatening  to put dope me,following my every move and even roughin up every now and then. Bottom line if he snitched then it is documented and open to the public and it would have surfaced by now.    
    November 26, 2008 10:22 PM
     

    DuBoiz said:

    For all you cats who don't know who "Hosea Williams" is peep this.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosea_Williams

    Hosea Williams Feed The Hungry Event...Know your history!  That goes to the author, Ace Cannon too.  You're a writer man...all you have to do is a little research which you should be used to...
    November 26, 2008 10:27 PM
     

    KingIan said:

    TI didn't snitch. The real snitch is the defendant's brother. How can you snitch on your own brother to get your sentence reduced? Now that's f*cked up
    November 26, 2008 10:32 PM
     

    drewhood said:

    YoungG757NGE said:
    I can tell by the comments that half of yall niggas aint in the streets at all. To be considered a snitch u have to benefit from the information that u givin up. Snitchin is not testifyin what u saw cuz ya boy got merked. Snitchin is tellin on a nigga when u facin time to reduce or eliminate your sentence plain & simp. In other words if u aint the defendant or states evidence then that does not constitute snitchin. TI's other case dont have nothin to do wit this 1 they're in 2 completely different jurisdictions(different states for u dumb mufuckas) so they dont correlate(dont got shit to do wit each otha again for u dumb mufuckas). Holla at ya nigga


    THAT SHIT WAS FUNNY AND TRUE. I COSIGN
    November 26, 2008 10:48 PM
     

    Blackexpo said:

    You niggas crack me up. Niggas snitch everyday who cares if the nigga snitched or not. I sure would like to see what one of you "no snitching" niggas do if you are facing 40+ years and the only way to lighten your sentence is to turn state on niggas you don't know. I hope I'm never in that situation because I prolly would turn state. I have kids to raise fuck another nigga.
    November 26, 2008 11:16 PM
     

    DatBoyFresh said:

    Meatwad Da Great

    You're true colors are shown. you remind me of an expression a friend told me. "You know JUST enough to be ignorant." Basically you know a small amount of a situation so when you speak it makes you look dumb. I asked you before what did he say on the stand that says hes snitching. You said you didnt say he was snitching. Now you are. Lol You sounded fairly intelligent on the other post and now look at you.We all have seen punked. There was no snitching in the episode, he didnt blame it on his friend, he was told "these are you're bullets,"  TI said "those arent mine." Then the guy says "He says they are yours". pointing to his friend. Ti looks at his friend suprised, turns back to the Punk Agent and says "those arent mine." We joke about that episode at work all the time. So dont pull this BS that you keep pulling.Tell me,  how does it feel to hate so much? Did he miss an autograpgh date?
    November 26, 2008 11:32 PM
     

    DatBoyFresh said:

    @ Everyone who thinks they know a snitch heres a thought that ill post AGAIN


    Grow up, read the law, and know the streets. For one thing this is a state case, not a fed case, it has nothing to do with cutting time from the fed case because it cannot do that.
    First you need to know that.

    Second his "cooperation" in this case can only go so far as T.I. lets it go, meaning he can only say what he saw from his eyes... If he said he saw nothing but Phil die, which he basically did the whole time on the stand, then no one can say otherwise. Because that is what he claims to have seen from HIS OWN eyes, than he can say he saw nothing at all...again, he did this.

    Third
    Snitching means you are pointing the finger at someones actions, or describing that person in a situation to make it seem that He/She is definately guilty of some sort of crime. If you analyze the video,  T.I. did not point out anyone at all, nor did he even identify the color of the shooters car, the men that tried to get in vip, or even what group "made it rain" which took Yung Joc out of the situation completely.

    Period Point Blank....this is the total opposite of snitching and an almost genius move for a 28 yr old to even accomplish, with no flaws in how he explained the story. And what did anyone in that court room get from what T.I. said on the stand??? Absolutely NOTHING. Can you accomplish that?

    Dont let love for a genre of music blur you're sense of reality.

    @ THOSE DEFENDING T.I. for the fact he has family, and he has to do what he has to do.

    Thats not really helping any point what so ever. A family man goes the smart way about getting things done. There are other ways to do it other than telling everything for you're families sake. This is exactly what he did. Because if in fact he did break down and "snitch" then the repercussions could be even worse for his family. Think about it. Hes famous, and his 4 kids go to school. Don't you think the kids would have some backlash from other kids? Also he would lose money, even if it isnt all of his income, his hip hop credibility would be over.So be happy for the route that he did take and learn from it. should the situation arise you may be in the same predicament.

    @ALL THOSE WHO KNOWS WHAT SNITCHING IS, HERES A HARD QUESTION? CAN YOU ANSWER IT?

    Biggie Smalls and Tupac are dead. And for us to find out who killed them like we have been wanting for years. There has to be someone pointing the finger at who did it. That would involve some level of snitching right? Now ask yourself, are you one of the ones that want these cases solved? Does it make you a snitch if you could bring the killers to justice?
    November 26, 2008 11:34 PM
     

    grouchy_greg said:

    RIP Philant. Much respect
    November 27, 2008 12:33 AM
     

    BIG GUSTER said:

    Boy Boy boy its been more interesting reading everybody comments than the actual story. It's some real tough guys on this site.
    November 27, 2008 12:40 AM
     

    IndustryExec said:

    @Duboiz...Thx for mentioning it, I was smh at how dudes was laughing about the annual feed the hungry and homeless by Hosea Williams... and this is an event that goes on year after year. Hosea Williams is a civil rights icon. Instead learning street cred, brothas need to learn black history?
    November 27, 2008 1:36 AM
     

    Butta Banks said:

    Oh Man, you dudes give me a headache!! Yo i use to believe the same things ya'll young cats or whoever believe in. Yo so if your relative got shot after ya'll had an incident you wouldnt want someone to tell find out who did it? Thats what got us all messed up now, the dumb shit!! Its a difference between snitching and helping, T.I just was telling the people what he witness, he wasnt was just taking a part into justifying justice. Yo i'm not saying work with the cops or to  not work with the cops, i'm just saying its nothing wrong with helping out the community. If its a killer in the hood nearby you, you would rather take that risk of getting shot by this dude or have a relative shot and kill by this dude. After someone pop somebody and get a way with it, he's probably gonna do it again. Yo we have to get our selves together and stop the bullshit. Yeah your homeboys say they would never snitch, but when shit hit the fan, they snitching..i done seen it happen and i seen alot of people behind bars for not saying nothing!!! I got a life to live and a kid...FUCK YOU!!!

    http://www.myspace.com/buttabanks1
    http://www.myspace.com/buttabanks1

    I done been there and done that and all the cats i looked up to when i was younger doing time in the fedz cause a person or few who they thought was they homeboy or partner snitched on them...this is the game...lets see how you play!!!
    November 27, 2008 1:46 AM
     

    Davy da prince said:

    @ Datboyfresh

                        Cosighn 100% This must be the realest post i've seen here. Alot of people goin on abt this situation dont even kno nuthing abt a street situation jus a bunch of my space gangsta rappers and e-thugs who have watched a whole lot of smack DVD's and mafia movies and spend they time fantasizing abt the street life.
    November 27, 2008 2:09 AM
     

    dicedabney said:

    YAL NIGGAS CRACK ME UP!come on now.if your in a club and t.i was talkin a whole bunch of fly shit to u.(you no t.i was in there deep wit all his niggas).so there no way in hell u can just hit him on the 1 on 1's.So you protect ya self by pulling out ya gun and start blaming.With the end result of t.i 's man getting killed.SO WHAT DOES TI DO TO GET HIM BACK.......TESTIFY N COURT.Instead of doing none of that fly shit was sayin in the club.TELL ME HOW DA FUCK WOULD U FEEL???

    hold ya head Hosea Thomas (in jail for shootin his gun protecting him and his brothers life from t.i and 100 of his niggas talkin fly in the club)its a said day
    November 27, 2008 2:14 AM
     

    dicedabney said:

    HOLD YA HEAD UP REMY MA.IT SNITCHES LIKE T.I THAT PUT U IN JAIL
    November 27, 2008 2:18 AM
     

    THA VIDDLES said:

    From what we seen in the video, HE DIDNT SNITCH, all he said was he seen his assistant get shot in the head, and blood gushin outta hole. DATS IT

    BUT, we aint see the whole court session, we dont know if he point fingers or said names before or after the vid.
    November 27, 2008 2:45 AM
     

    MRGODBYROAD said:

    GREAT JOB TIP! CASE CLOSED! NOW BIG PHIL CAN REST IN PEACE!
    November 27, 2008 2:51 AM
     

    Davy da prince said:

    Dont drop the soap Hosea!!!!!!!!!
    November 27, 2008 3:02 AM
     

    DETROITHUSTLER said:

    they are everywhere internet thugs what yall goin go do next go and buy saggy keyboards

    smh @you fake gangters_______________________
    November 27, 2008 4:18 AM
     

    Water Ur Seeds said:

    RIP BIG PHIL


    WHEREDAHATERSAT said:
    all because of the snitch t.i. the nigga that killed t.i.'s friend didn't get caught until after t.i. caught them gun charges in 2008 the shooting happend in 2006 smh t.i. fuck you you rat face bastard

    TI SAID NUFFIN INCRIMINATING FOR GOD SAKE...

    THE SHOOTERS OWN BROTHER SNITCHED ON HIM.... TI NEVER NAMED ANY NAMES, PEOPLE SAYIN HES A SNITCH ARE JUST A BUNCH OF JEALOUS WANNABES. WAKE UP SMH





    DICKHEADS WHO ARE CALLING PEOPLE SNITCHES ARE NOT REALLY 'HOOD' AS U FRAUDS CALL IT, CAH YOU SHOULD KNOW INLESS YOU KNOW THE DUDE, OR KNOW 100% HE SNITCHED YOU NEVER LABLE SOME1 THAT FOR OBLIVIOUS REASONS, SO SHUT UR MOUTHS
    November 27, 2008 4:24 AM
     

    pleet said:

    takes situations like this to get people to change
    you'd think all the money hes got, movie deals, endorsements and shit he got, he's smarten the fuck up earlier, then he wouldnt have to worry about his 'street cred' [dumbest thing in the world, thank god im not from the projects]
    November 27, 2008 5:00 AM
     

    Napoleon Solo said:

    Cutting deals to testify or not, T.I DID NOT SNITCH!

    He gave an accurate depiction of what happened from his point of view. He didn't name ONE PERSON! NOT ONE!

    For the record, I would have snitched THE MOMENT a bullet hit my van. I would have snitched BEFORE I EVEN GOT TO THE CLUB THAT NIGHT, but what Tip is doing is not regarded as snitching BY ANY MEANS!

    "A wise man told me don't argue with fools, 'coz people from a distance can't tell who is who." - © Jay-Z
    November 27, 2008 5:44 AM
     

    FRESH-SHAUN said:

    good for him

    myspace.com/freshaunizback
    November 27, 2008 8:35 AM
     

    SagNasty989 said:

    LMAO@DETROITHUSTLA!!!!!!!! "SAGGYKEYBOARDS".....MAN THATS THE POST OF THE MONTH!!! DAMN BRO....LOL!!! SAID E-THUGS GONE START SAGGIN THEIR KEY BOARDS!!! LOL
    November 27, 2008 8:46 AM
     

    SagNasty989 said:

    LMAO@DETROITHUSTLA!!!!!!!! "SAGGYKEYBOARDS".....MAN THATS THE POST OF THE MONTH!!! DAMN BRO....LOL!!! SAID E-THUGS GONE START SAGGIN THEIR KEY BOARDS!!! LOL
    November 27, 2008 8:46 AM
     

    v4vendetta said:

    Ok ya'll. I've been following this story for like a week and I must say that 60% of posters say it's not snitching and the remaining 40% of yall say it is. So there seems to be a major paradigm shift in our thinking about what the word snitch means. I have to applaud the majority here for growth and development. And even though I've used the term e thugs, digital thugs too, I do realize that the 'Net is THE PRIMARY VEHICLE FOR MODERN COMMUNICATION. So you do have real and riffraff types that drop by. They use Myspace and Youtube just like any nerd. And yes, would shoot you if you violated them. Having said that, most though couldn't fight their way outta wet paper bag and would run like a bat outta hell with a load of do-do in their saggy drawers when real Gremlins set it.

    RIP to Philant. Justice served. Salute TI. Now make more good, inspiring music.

    We out!


    November 27, 2008 9:21 AM
     

    RunAmuck said:

    Snitching is pointing out and telling on someone in paticular fuck niggas....when a nigga gets up there and says what happened to his best friend without implicating a paticular person isn't snitching....but i wouldn't expect you solja boy gangstas to understand what the streets already got understood
    November 27, 2008 9:55 AM
     

    Sanctified said:

    I am NOT an advocate of this so-called no snitchin rule but snitchin is when YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH about the situation regardless of the circumstances......
    November 27, 2008 10:07 AM
     

    loch121 said:

    In real life when somebody gets killed the police gone find out what happened thru phone calls,witnesses,and all kinda shit.The truth gone come out.Tip didn't really tell them shit.Would you go to jail for perjury or obstruction for a nigga who popped your man?I wouldn't and I can't get him if he's locked up so what's the difference anyway.If we enemies we enemies.Ain't nothing fair in war this is chess not checkers.The gun case is suspect but,I would say a he's not a snitch in this case cuz police came to him with it.If you go to the cops with info,your a snitch,but telling about your friends murder,when ordered to court is not snitching.That nigga is rich dummies and they are his enemies anyway.This ain't a movie dog.
    November 27, 2008 11:05 AM
     

    J-MILS said:

    I see ppl still goin on about this lol

    @blackrome

    that is the true definition of snitchin of what u wrote earlier...its when a partna of your who did crime with u tells on you! THATS THE REAL DEF OF A SNITCH!!

    @loch121
    You also put out a point and thats what ppl dont understand anymore...

    Yall twistin up the definition of snitching...yall makin it seem like some elementary shit, "if somebody hit you then u tell the teacher on them" type shit....yall watched movies before and ppl who do crime with some one and tell on them because they dont wanna get locked up are OFFICIAL SNITCHES...not if somebody shot up your best friend and then you testify against them...thats not snitching, thats telling what happened...like a witness to something sorta like cuz u saw it

    But im not gonna say more cuz i already wrote a long paragraph earlier this week
    November 27, 2008 11:36 AM
     

    Man Convicted Of Murdering T.I.'s Assistant | The Urban Daily said:

    November 27, 2008 11:40 AM
     

    Loony-T 706 said:

    yall niggas kill me with all this snitch this snitch that shit. Aint non of yall ever did shit but type on blog sites. get a life
    November 27, 2008 12:01 PM
     

    SagNasty989 said:

    COSIGN WITH V4VANDETTA
    November 27, 2008 12:18 PM
     

    honeykisses86 said:

    I'm glad they found this guy guilty. Apparently he didn't go very far in his life. If he's 40 and still in the club tryna play like he's young. Now he has fucked up took an innocent man and a father's life. I hope they throw the book at his ass.


    http://dahoneyhive.blogspot.com
    November 27, 2008 12:18 PM
     

    WHEREDAHATERSAT said:

    mothafuckas talking about in order for you to be a snitch you have to benefit from the information you give what the fuck you think t.i.'s testifying for? for less time he snitching nuff said 7x time felon get's caught with 12 machines guns and only gets 1 year c'mon it's a bunch dick sucking t.i. fans who are denial because clifford harris is rat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    November 27, 2008 1:38 PM
     

    v4vendetta said:

    @wheredahatersat..
    psst..
    Hey homeboy. Your avatar would be a waaaay bigger snitch than TI as he's President of the United Snakes of America. He's got a load of Federales behind him.. teehee.. The globalists are testing him already with the Mombai situation in India. You know, shake him up a little on Turkey day and get him ready to chase bogeyman A-Rub  Terrorists on Day One. Prepare your gangsta butt for the draft. You'll miss talking about how TI is a snitch, because you'll be trying to avoid those roadside bombs.

    We out.
    November 27, 2008 4:10 PM
     

    cocacolaclassic said:

    cosign v 4vendetta.
    end is coming. once a global war starts we all gon' be drafted to go out and die in some horrible shit
    November 27, 2008 5:18 PM
     

    Big Slim said:

    So my question is practically the same question  60 minutes guy asked Cam'Ron. . If this nigga was livin in the community an killin nigga's in your community for not gettin into VIP what exactly would u do? Please 1 of you guys that says T.I. is a snitch what would u do?

    November 27, 2008 5:48 PM
     

    Six6SoCaliGuy said:

    One question: I seen T.I. on that crime stoppers commercial! What do you call that?
    He was supposedly a dopeman in the hood so what if someone would have called crime stoppers on him?
    Hmmm
    Personally I dont give a shit what he does, every man and woman canm do what they want!
    But if you a gangsta rapper and claim to be this little big fella you need to live up to it dat all!
    Or just stop with the tough guy scarface act!!
    November 27, 2008 6:24 PM
     

    TRUTHFROMDABOOT said:

    Last Track on Paper Trail explains were T.I. is at right now.  He admitted that part of him is DEAD AND GONE, he is about making his cheddar and taking care of his family.  Sure the guns was to ride or get some lil soldiers to ride in Ohio, but he know in order to breathe God's free air with his family he had to Kill that street dude and become a family man.  I for one don't blame him.  It's better for Hosea to rot in a 6x6 than him, "him right by counsel in the grey suit is the one who did it your honor, now can I go back on this tour bus and make these chips before I have to lay it down for a year" LMAO.  Man as a 31 year old attorney who grew up in a gang drug infested nieghborhood who did some of this same stupid shit, sports gave me an avenue to college and open my eyes to the world, I love the hood, I mean I love it, never a dull moment but would I move my family back there, hell no!  Can I write a verse about some gangsta shit that I have lived and seen, YES!  Is it credible nigga go ask about me at 17-21, would I do or take a penitentiary chance today @ 31 HELL TO THE NAWH, NO WAY.  Will one on you rent-a-thugs run up on me and still get it, HELL YEAH.  Am I going to your neighborhood looking for trouble HELL NO.  Living in poverty or in that hood death or Jail to maintain that live style isn't such a big price to pay compared to the alternative which is poverty.  But when you make it out and don't have to make that illegal money death or jail is to big of a price to pay when you have a family.  Big ups to T.I. FOR FINALLY GETTING THAT!  You call it whatever you want I call it his best decision to date, and big ups for him doing that crimestoppers spot.  It's time we take the hood back. I would love for my kids to grow up around other kids that look like them but taking them to a place where a nigga can come by on some dumb shit and kill one on them innocently and everybody on the block stick to some ignorant code of silence, HELL NO.
    November 27, 2008 8:09 PM
     

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    November 27, 2008 9:42 PM
     

    MIYAYO305_786 said:

    @ SagNasty989

    Who sounds like the e-thug me or u...I'm not gonna sit here and talk the shit u did to me on the net because that easy...Hommie u dont know my background..Stop e-thuggin because I'm from the Beans (Pork-N-Beans Projects) so therefore I dont need to watch a smack dvd...As a matter of fact i dont watch any of those dvds u name hommie..I was raised in Miami during the 80's when Miami average @ least 500 murder a year...Get ur facts right hommie before u judge me...Am I saying everything in the streets that goes on is right NO but u gotta survive if u cant get a fair second chance..Like Trick said "My holiday will be da day they jobs away to ex-con who really tryin to move on". The way shit set up once u in the system its a rap for u...Thats why niggaz do what they gotta do to feed their family to eat so u gotta play the game by the rules...

    Shit like this happens all the time & just because he is a celeb....He shouldnt get a pass...if this was anybody else he would be a snitch but since he's TI most of his fan wanna take up for him...If TI really wanted to testify & find his hommie killers he woulda did it from jump street...He already know who the people was and that the reason y he got the guns to get them eye for eye...TI testimony was for the sole purpose to look out for himself because if he was a "stand up citizen" this woulda been done long time ago...I dont know why people surprise he on the stand anyway because he was going snitch on his homeboy on MTV Punk'd....Do yall remember that episode with the bullets...Ya keep it real...He just fold & its plan & simple...

    TI is a snitch because he benefited from his testimony...Here the line sayin he's a snitch...Skip to 1:35

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohp3w7OpY-8
    November 28, 2008 12:00 AM
     

    faithwalk said:

    What a shame. More of our brothers dead in addition to going to jail. Over what?

    http://faithwalkclothing.blogspot.com/
    November 28, 2008 12:06 AM
     

    Meatwad Get Da Money said:

    damn! i ain't hatin on tha nigga cuz he was tellin it on punk'd. shit! you know the nigga life story! tell me how it feel to go so hard on a message for a nigga who ain't gon thank you, pay you, or hell, even send you a postcard? hatin is such a strong word my nigga! if i was hatin i'd say "fuck t.i. i wish he ain't have no money or no bitches!" that's hatin. me sayin he was tellin it on punk'd don't nearly equate to hate. i said and i still say he ain't snitch on the stand, but on that punk'd episode he was ready to cry. i mean shit, you act like you grew up wit tha nigga. dead this vendetta you got against niggas who don't neccessarily give a fuck about yo favorite rapper. goddamn! i said good lookin t.i. on the justice you got for ya friend, what more do you want?
    November 28, 2008 2:15 AM
     

    TRUTHFROMDABOOT said:

    LMFAO @ that punk'd link..... Nigga that aint snitching either in my book... Nigga do some dumb shit, he gotta take his own charge like a man.  Make no sense for all of us getting locked up and letting the jury sort it out...  You know how that will end up, we all doing a bid.... If I didn't have anything to do with packing that bag and you my boy you better be raising your hand to take that.  I would have been mad at you for even having to tell the po-po that you did it.  We get jammed up and you down bad with some dirt, you got to take that.... Not snitchin 'REAL TALK'.  Been in the situation before in my car, got pull over they find the package on the floor board it's my car so if he don't claim it you know I'm gone, like a man he took his charge, of course I kept the book loaded because he could have flipped on me and said he didn't know anything about it.  Episode was funny as hell but was that snitchin hell no, that's making yo homie take his own charge so everyone don't have to serve that shit.  The bitch nigga that wasn't going to claim his shit would have been the bitch.... Once again bad example, You e-thugs will keep tryin though....
    November 28, 2008 3:06 AM
     

    julezamsteisen said:

    it aint clean in these streets, its mean in these streets...
    November 28, 2008 5:31 AM
     

    TROOPER74 said:

    @ MIYAYO305_786
    ------------

    MANNNN SHUT YO ASS UP DAWG! U  SOUND LIKE A ASS. WHAT DO DRIVING DOWN THE HIGHWAY HAVE TO DO WITH THE STREETS??? THIS SHIIT HAVE TO DO WITH DUMB ASS JEALOUS NIGGA THAT'S MAD AT HIS LIFE AND FELT EMBARRASS HE COULDN'T GET IN VIP. FUCK HIM AND DUMB  NIGGAZ LIKE YOU. OH YEAH, THEN U SAY "I'M NOT A E-THUG" UNO WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF U WERE. CUZ IT JUST MEAN U REALLY THIS DUMB IN PERSON. SO IF BUSTA AND SWISS SUCK DICK U GOING TO DO IT TO??? U SOUND DUMB BASING YOUR DECISIONS ON WHAT OTHER NIGGAS DO. FUCK NIGGAZ THAT'S WHY THE BLACK HOODS ARE LIKE IT IS NOW. CAN'T KEEP SAYINT THE GOVT DOING SHIT IT'S NIGGAZ LIKE U RAISING MORE LIL DUMBASSES IN THE WORLD THAT KEEP THIS CYCLE GOING.BLACK PPL WAKE UP PLEASE. DAMN WE HAVE A BLACK PRESIDENT, I MEAN SEE MORE IN YOU, SEE THAT U ARE SOMETHING  MORE THEN A DUMBASS NIGGA ON THE SO-CALL BLOCK U DON'T OWN BUT U SAY "THIS IS MY HOOD OR MY BLOCK" LOL INSTEAD OF BEING ON HERE DEFENDING YOURSELF NOT BEING A E-THUG WANT U GO DEFEND THE NEIGHBORHOOD U LIVE IN FROM DRUG DEALERS AND KILLERS. YEAH I THOUGHT SO....
    November 28, 2008 2:12 PM
     

    C.F.G affiliate said:

    if u aint got money u dont matter, t.i. is rich, he can say what he wants lol i wouldnt wana be locked up either, picture ya self in his shoes
    November 28, 2008 2:55 PM
     

    SEVERE SWAGGA said:

    I DNT KNOW IF T.I REALLY POINTED DA SHOOTA OUT...BUT 1 THINGS 4 SURE NOW DAYZ SNITCHIN IZ AT A ALL TYME HIGH....THIS ERA IZ SOOOOOOOO SOFT .....DAMN HOMIES BROTHER RATTED HIM OUT 2 .....WUT A GRIMMY MUTHAFUCKA...BUT HEY U DO DA CRIME HOPE U COULD DO DA TYME IF THEY CATCH U......
    November 28, 2008 3:00 PM
     

    SEVERE SWAGGA said:

    I DNT KNOW IF T.I REALLY POINTED DA SHOOTA OUT...BUT 1 THINGS 4 SURE NOW DAYZ SNITCHIN IZ AT A ALL TYME HIGH....THIS ERA IZ SOOOOOOOO SOFT .....DAMN HOMIES BROTHER RATTED HIM OUT 2 .....WUT A GRIMMY MUTHAFUCKA...BUT HEY U DO DA CRIME HOPE U COULD DO DA TYME IF THEY CATCH U......
    November 28, 2008 3:00 PM
     

    SEVERE SWAGGA said:

    I DNT KNOW IF T.I REALLY POINTED DA SHOOTA OUT...BUT 1 THINGS 4 SURE NOW DAYZ SNITCHIN IZ AT A ALL TYME HIGH....THIS ERA IZ SOOOOOOOO SOFT .....DAMN HOMIES BROTHER RATTED HIM OUT 2 .....WUT A GRIMMY MUTHAFUCKA...BUT HEY U DO DA CRIME HOPE U COULD DO DA TYME IF THEY CATCH U......
    November 28, 2008 3:00 PM
     

    baynig4sho said:

    @SagNasty989

    bitch ass nigga youz a kid.where you from?cuz if you is from the hood yo hood is straight pussy.you sayin its cool to snitch nigga fuck you and everybody who taught you anything about the streets you fuckin faggot.

    any problems bitch come see me 900 block of porter in south vallejo, ca. ya bitch.
    November 28, 2008 4:49 PM
     

    baynig4sho said:

    @DatBoyFresh

    it didnt seem to you that he was implicating someone in the crime when he said "there was a guy being unruley in the vip?he implicated someone right there and would not need to point out anybody in court if he already identified the party in question in his origional statement.

    you cats on here crack me up defending a snitch.and ima make damn sure that i never say anything even remotely illegal around yall because according to yalll definition of snitchin you could just tell on me and that shit is ok because a.you dont know me b.you dont have anything to gain from tellin on me c.im in a different juristiction lol.

    listen if you a normal citizen like most of the people claiming to be street in here are.i guess for yall snitchin is ok.but in real life if im in a gang or click and we get into it with some other gang or click because of the shit im claimin and they decide to put in work on us you dont go tell.you made a decision to live this life.thats like joinin the military but then you dont want to go to iraq.if you chose some gangsta shit you better have the balls to stand by it.all ti talk about is guns and trappin and bullshit and now that he did some hoe shit everybody want to be possitive and shit like "hes doin whats right" but he wasnt talkin none of that shit in his music so why defend him now?

    all you bitch ass niggas already say "it aint trickin if you got it"
    now yall new one should be "it aint snitchin if you got to"
    November 28, 2008 5:28 PM
     

    MRGODBYROAD said:

    @ ALL YALL FRONTIN ON TIP

    GO GET YA ATM CARD OR GO TO THE BANK....................LOLOLOLOLOLOL I BET THAT FAKE ASS CODE OF THE STREETS SHIT DONT MATTER THEN!!!! FUCK THE FAKE ASS CODE OF THE STREETS............CASH RULES EVERYTHING AROUND ME!!!!
    November 28, 2008 5:49 PM
     

    baynig4sho said:

    @MRGODBYROAD

    ive heard the head of the kkk is a billionaire.

    do you respect him too???
    November 28, 2008 7:01 PM
     

    MIYAYO305_786 said:

    @ TROOPER74

    U funny ass hell...Ur e-thuggin funny as hell...Anybody call somebody somebody a fuck nigga & dumb ass online...Look @ any of my posting & u will see I dont pull that nonsense...I'm from the Beans so its no need for to E-THUG because the streets are a reality I live in day in & day out...The Beans is 80% of First 48.....I'm not saying everything that goes on there is right but niggaz gotta eat since they not gettin a second change because they have a felony...I'm from a follower hommie....I been raised by leaders who these rapper niggaz wanna be lol...Thats y ur comments r funny to me...I'm not glorifying anything but those are facts....If u an alien in a club u cant disrespect niggaz from that area...If a nigga hit u in da head with a bottle what u going do? U gotta respect other people cities no matter where u from...I dont wish death on no one but its more than this story than yall been told by the media...



    For everybody defending TI

    If TI really wanted to be a stand up citizen so he best friend can have justice in the legal system he woulda came away with this info a long time ago...TI only gave this info up to save his ass first because he got catch with them guns...Think about this Michael Vick had no prior record before he got he with them dog charges and he doing 2 1/2 for killing some dogs...Now Vick has more money than TI so if he coulda brought he why out he could have...The thing is u cant buy out the feds and any person how been there the system will tell u that...The gov't anyone works with u, only if u work with them...Thats y the made an example outta Vick & not TI because TI work with the govt...Think about all the drug lords and people from the mafia who would have a chance to do that but they couldnt....One the feds wanted u its a rap because they wont stop until they have u...Tell me another 7 time felony who got caught with 10 guns and 3 siliencers and got 12 months..Not only TI get 12 months but he doing his community service 1st before his sentence...Everybody knows the feds will do anything to solve a cold case...Thats y its sense TI give up the names of the people and then the brother snitch after they got caught...Stop making it seem like oh TI wanted to do the right thing and he really was trying to save his ass...Just keep it real 1000

    RIP PHIL & everyone that lost their lives thru da struggle...

    Here's a link that states take worked with the govt...skip to 1:35 to hear the news reporter state it...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohp3w7OpY-8
    November 29, 2008 12:40 AM
     

    DatBoyFresh said:

    @baynig4sho

    You're argument is still irrelevent...Implicated?.. He said the fight started with a few people ended up around 30. Now at what point did he say "That man there was part of that thirty"? You really don't deserve an answer back from me. Because what you did was reach for the stars on that one. Wow, amazing what people come up with because they dislike a person. Afterwards you say "ima make damn sure that i never say anything even remotely illegal around yall because according to yalll definition of snitchin you could just tell on me"   I'm still asking at what point did he say THAT MAN or even put THAT MAN in a situation? You sir, are the definition of an ethug. Someone who takes the street code all the way to the extreme to make himself look hard, while typing on a computer, in a type 12 font. Don't refer to me unless you have something mind unraveling to say, you cant feed a smart man bullshit.
    November 29, 2008 1:32 PM
     

    DatBoyFresh said:

    @baynig4sho

    "any problems bitch come see me 900 block of porter in south vallejo, ca. ya bitch."

    I know that this wasnt directed towards me, but it made me laugh. Because you said this, sitting in a chair, at a desk, behind a computer, on a website, "reppin your set". Even nerds live in the hood. You reslly prove my point. Please don't throw words at me in a type 12 font again! I don't want to be terroized by all the capital letters you could use to show that you're screaming! Its not going to let me sleep at night!

    I propose that Allhiphop uses a tool that traces the ip address to the city, not the exact address of ethugs, and post it after they comment.It should show the crime rate of that area lol. It should be triggered by the words: hood, guns, nigga, cuz, blood, and gang(sta). Lets see how many get their e thug cards pulled.
    November 29, 2008 1:44 PM
     

    baynig4sho said:

    im a nerd but you know what a size 12 font is lol.

    everybody posting on here are not e thugs real niggas have computers now.

    also i only do this from work.IM NOT A THUG AT ALL.i retired

    but i am from a poor upbringing so i know the streets.if you cooperate with the cops where im from you get killed.and dont take my word for it do your own research.

    by the way that comment of my address was not for you.but thats where yall can find me if you doubt my validity.where are you from?dont want to talk about that huh?

    its easy for you upper middle class niggas to say go ahead and tell ubt you dont have to live by the people you snitchin on.keep that in mind when commenting because you could affect someones well being.

    my whole thing is if you really dont know the ghetto dont comment on the ghetto because your not living under those circumstances.

    i really dont get you nerds if i say something derogatory im an e-thug all of a sudden?maybe you never talked to any real cats so you dont know the difference.
    November 29, 2008 7:19 PM
     

    baynig4sho said:

    by the way ive always liked ti im just not a dick sucker like you.
    November 29, 2008 7:20 PM
     

    baynig4sho said:

    @datboyfresh

    i doubt youve even known a thug before.just because im not on ti dick im an e-thug now?
    im not glorifing shit just tryin to tell you nerds real street rules.

    im from south vallejo look up the stats.no fake shit here bruh.
    November 29, 2008 7:26 PM
     

    Dybyk said:

    Good for TI, if you really look at it, he didn't snitch, but he still took the stand, his homeboy was killed, he did what needed to be done, and if that meant pointing dude out who did, I hope he would have. Half you fools in here would be quick to dime out your own mother to stay out the pen, those who wouldn't are very few in number. The changes our people need will only come when we decide to better ourselves as a whole, not by protecting and glamorizing criminal life and ignorance.
    November 30, 2008 2:50 AM
     

    DatBoyFresh said:

    @baynig4sho

    look at you wasting company money. Arguing the fact that you're from the hood. Thats funny. Yeah im from Atlanta born and raised. Specifically East Point, Cambelton Rd. Yeah, its hood. The middle class statement made me laugh. And i know things because i have a son so i chose to educate myself, rather than have the mind set that you have.All the hooplah about come see about you, you're from a poor neighborhood, it sound good. But for real, people from a poor upbringing don't have to fit the status quo just because they are. Funny you say i never lived under those circumstances. By the time i turned 16 we were evicted 3 times, i've lived in hotels, lost friends, and done a lot of stupid things because i believed in the streets. Nobody thats from the hood, wants to stay there. And i made my choice to get out. I dont have to prove that to you in order to make myself feel better. The fact that i can take my son outside to play and not worry about him getting shot makes me feel better. I didn;t put my life out there to make it look like "hey I from the hood i can kill you." So just because i didn't dont assume you know me, anybody i hang around, or my struggles. You barely know yourself.
    November 30, 2008 9:30 AM
     

    DatBoyFresh said:

    @baynig4sho

    look at you wasting company money. Arguing the fact that you're from the hood. Thats funny. Yeah im from Atlanta born and raised. Specifically East Point, Cambelton Rd. Yeah, its hood. The middle class statement made me laugh. And i know things because i have a son so i chose to educate myself, rather than have the mind set that you have.All the hooplah about come see about you, you're from a poor neighborhood, it sound good. But for real, people from a poor upbringing don't have to fit the status quo just because they are. Funny you say i never lived under those circumstances. By the time i turned 16 we were evicted 3 times, i've lived in hotels, lost friends, and done a lot of stupid things because i believed in the streets. Nobody thats from the hood, wants to stay there. And i made my choice to get out. I dont have to prove that to you in order to make myself feel better. The fact that i can take my son outside to play and not worry about him getting shot makes me feel better. I didn;t put my life out there to make it look like "hey I from the hood i can kill you." So just because i didn't dont assume you know me, anybody i hang around, or my struggles. You barely know yourself.
    November 30, 2008 9:30 AM
     

    baynig4sho said:

    i know myself the problem is you think you know me.im a gown man supporting a family of 4 so dont try to educate me on maturity.i made it out but i sold dope from the age 15 to 23.im now 31 and a good father and husband.so try not to assume anything about me.if your not lying i respect your past struggles ive been there ive been homeless too as a youth so i understand.however,when you say you know the streets i have to question that because anybody from the hood knows YOU DONT TALK TO THE COPS.im now grown and a young buisness owner(part owner)so i have moved on and matured.now i dont know how yall get down in atlanta but here in california if you tell niggas will get at you.and this isnt some bullshit that just started with this "no snitchin"campaign this shit has been like this out here.

    im from the era where niggas dont snitch. your from the era where snitchin is the shit.
                 j.z.  
    November 30, 2008 2:58 PM
     

    baynig4sho said:

    ive never heard anybody black say hooplah ever.
    November 30, 2008 3:02 PM
     

    DatBoyFresh said:

    lol hooplah came from...i dont know where that came from. In Atlanta we dont believe in snitching either.Of course, we are the REALEST city on the map.As far as the TI snitching goes. No one has answered me yet on what he said in the case that was snitching.Im still waiting for someone to tell me SPECIFICALLY, what he said and what effect it would have.Like i said before, pointing out that people got unruly at the club does not count. That cant implicate anything at all. To believe that is exactly what i said is reaching for the stars.Much respect to the family, im a family man myself. Raising kids nowadday is hard in these times huh?
    November 30, 2008 7:53 PM
     

    DatBoyFresh said:

    Didnt snopp and a couple of other niggas have to take the stand at one time? Hmmmm
    November 30, 2008 7:55 PM
     

    baynig4sho said:

    hell yeah its hard.

    i do respect you and your opinion brotha.

    snoop took the stand in his own murder trial.

    my thing is dont be this tough guy talkin all this mess in your music.and then jumpin out the vip to join a fight in which ti and his security probably beat the shit out them brothas.so they come back for revenge yall get into a shoot out you come out on the short end of the stick and now you want to cooperate with the po pos.im wondering if someone in the other car got killed would he tell then?would we even care then?

    ti WAS my favorite rapper out of atlanta along with 3 stacks and jeezy so im not a hater just disapointed.

    maybe im bias because ive been in this same situation and didnt tell.ive also been told on before.when i was like 14 we robbed a pizza man my so called homie got scared and told on everyone involved and guess what?he never had to even take the stand against me because he already incriminated me in his police statement so i ended up locked up for 6 months.know what happened to him?he had to leave the state and not just to avoid me and the other cats involved in the crime but anybody in the town who knew he snitched because once youve got that snitch jacked on it lasts forever if you make it.

    im not condoning it and im not sayin its right but this is our reality here.iy didnt start with this rap shit its been like that here as long as i can remember.

    theres a guy from my town named mac dre r.i.p. this cat was gettin a ride to a chicks house with the wrong people at the time and got 5 years fed for bank roberies that he wasnt even involved in.then when mac dre got killed another cat named mac minister got life for killin the shooters that killed mac dre which he didnt do and he didnt tell he took a life sentence instead.now this may be stupid but it is honorable.

    now i know you wont agree with that but i hope it at least gives you some insight on the way snitchin is frowned on out here.you got to remember this is where the black panthers come from and we have a history of not looking to the police for help because their so abusive with their power.thats why in vallejo weve burned down police sup stations blew up part of the courthouse(no bullshit) and late night if their rolling down our streets well blow they back windshields out.all of which i was not involved in and didnt know the parties involved either.  
    December 1, 2008 7:33 PM
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