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Hip-Hop’s Birthplace to Be Sold  
Published Saturday, September 27, 2008 12:00 PM
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By Ismael AbduSalaam

A Bronx apartment recognized as the birthplace of Hip-Hop culture is expected to be sold next week.

 

Located at 1520 Sedgwick Avenue, the building’s landlord group plans to withdraw the property from the city’s moderate housing program, allowing the owners to pay off the building’s $5 million dollar balance.

 

The property will then be sold to high-profile real estate developer Mark Karasick, putting the future of the 100 families living there in doubt.

 

The tenants and partnered housing advocates attempted to block the sale by filing a lawsuit in the State Supreme Court.

 

Yesterday (September 26), the courts ruled against the groups and dismissed the suit. In the early 1970s, Kingston, Jamaica native and Hip-Hop founder Clive Campbell moved into the building.

 

There he quickly constructed a graffiti crew dubbed the Ex-Vandals, and took on his famous DJ moniker Kool Herc.

 

Exasperated by the gang violence that plagued the neighborhood, Herc and his sister Cindy began hosting parties in the building’s recreation room.

 

Utilizing two turntables and a guitar amp, Herc revolutionized music by isolating “the breaks” of popular records like James Brown’s “Give It Up or Turn It Loose,” Booker T and the MG’s “Melting Pot,” Babe Ruth’s “The Mexican,” and The Incredible Bongo Band’s “Apache.”

 

This style of musical arrangement grew exponentially, attracting dancers (B-Boys and B-Girls) and fellow DJs and future Hip-Hop luminaries Afrika Bambaataa and Grandmaster Flash.

 

Last year, New York officially christened the building “the birthplace of Hip-Hop” and declared it eligible for national and state registrars.

 

At the press time, the bank financing the sale on the property is unknown. According to reports, 1520 Sedgwick Avenue is estimated to be sold for $7.5 million.


Comments

 

MAINE MAN said:

Hell naw!!! These rappers should put up some money for that building...Damn shame!
September 27, 2008 12:05 PM
 

HaitianSavvy said:

Capitalism has transformed human relations into mere business transactions.
September 27, 2008 12:06 PM
 

STEVEN318 said:

damn dats 2 bad i wonder why any of these rappers out 2day could stand up and buy the building this is history!
September 27, 2008 12:08 PM
 

TheyCallMeJim said:

and why is this news?
September 27, 2008 12:08 PM
 

Tommy K. said:

*sigh*....
September 27, 2008 12:10 PM
 

WILLY KILLEM? said:

@MAINE MAN-COSIGN.
These rappers buyin all this stupid lookin, circus jewelry..they should put they money toward situations like THIS.
September 27, 2008 12:10 PM
 

MissDallasTx214 said:

How is this apt the birthplace of hip hop?!?
September 27, 2008 12:12 PM
 

shortnsimple said:

That should be a historical site. you know the developer is gonna tear it down. Hip hop can't keep shit man. freakin tragedy.
September 27, 2008 12:15 PM
 

Eight Mile Road Music News » Hip-Hop???s Birthplace to Be Sold said:

September 27, 2008 12:16 PM
 

HipHopIS Love said:

it just makes me sad everytime i read about this...

and TheyCallMeJim whta u mean why is this news?

So what happens if they sell it? i heard they were gonna knock it down
September 27, 2008 12:17 PM
 

Tommy K. said:

I tried to tell niggas but noooo, now look what happened. (almost slams laptop on ground but remembers how much it cost so slams mouse instead)
September 27, 2008 12:20 PM
 

Deeper Than Rap said:

September 27, 2008 12:20 PM
 

MAINE MAN said:

Why is this news? Its only the birthplace of a culture you and I love...Just like Willey Killem said: "Are favorite rappers are buying all this circus jewelry", but cant put that good money to something that in a way helped them get to where they are today... I mean lets be real...Rappers are buying customized charms of; Bart Simpson, Transformer, Newport Ciggarette Box, Candy Canes, Interstate Exits, There own face etc..Sensless shit just to show they can throw away money like its nothing....Every other rapper claims to be hustlers and dope boys and they do it for the streets....It gets no street than that project building ... Now you going to have tenants who have no place to go....Niggas could of easily bought that building....
September 27, 2008 12:21 PM
 

MAINE MAN said:

@MissDallas...You have to read it the article sweety!!!
September 27, 2008 12:22 PM
 

Asher "Black Bomb" Sommer said:

Where are:

Jay-Z
Dr.Dre
Eminem
50Cent
Russel Simmons
Diddy
P-Miller
Ice Cube
Cash Money
Jimmy Iovine
Steve Rifkind
etc.

and all others who have
been cashing in  100mil
plus on what
emerged from that place.

I think the only 1 I saw
reaching out to Herc was
the Game. I respect dude
for that.
September 27, 2008 12:25 PM
 

WILLY KILLEM? said:

ATTN: ALL RAPPERS, PRODUCERS & LABEL OWNERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Put together a donation/fund raiser to save this building....and...TAKE THAT MONKEY ASS JEWELRY back to the jeweler..YALL EMBARRASSIN US WIT THAT MONKEY SHIT!!!!!!

-CHAD BUTLER
September 27, 2008 12:37 PM
 

shortnsimple said:

@theycallmejim... cmon man.

2 turntables and a mic. We have legends because of that building, too bad rappers couldn't buy it but hiphop and alotta of Us in general are all free agents in this world. No team players to get together and do something as simple as save a building to land developers.

@maineman who is the one with newport diamond lecklace? I saw that and was speechless on how dumb that shit looked.
September 27, 2008 12:52 PM
 

tippydickumdown said:

MAINE MAN said:
Hell naw!!! These rappers should put up some money for that building...Damn shame!
September 27, 2008 12:05 PM

my 1st official cosign,like a mufucka..just imagine if all the rappers just contributed a little..what a statement that would show not only those lames,but the world...who would manage the property tho?


TheyCallMeJim said:
and why is this news?
September 27, 2008 12:08 PM

..you've got to be white.
September 27, 2008 12:55 PM
 

HipHopIS Love said:

@ shortnsimple

N.O.R.E. has the newport chain but it says noreports  ;] i think thtas a hot chain but thats cuz im a newport smoker
September 27, 2008 1:06 PM
 

MAINE MAN said:

@shortnsimple....It was Noreaga from the group Capone N Noreaga....And get this shit nigga...The Newport charm opens up like a cigarette box it has enough room to store his cigarettes in there....That fat nigga Sean Kingston...has a crayon box...Shit is tight as hell, but still a waste
September 27, 2008 1:11 PM
 

AreRaY said:

Just one of the last few remenants left of Hip-Hop
It's already went corporate and mainstream
they taking everything from us..
September 27, 2008 1:12 PM
 

HipHopIS Love said:

@  tippydickumdown

for that you've got to be white comment that made tords theycallmejim just shows your level of IGNORANCE. people always preachin bout racism on this page but somea u are more racist than the people u complain about goddamn is everything about skin color?

i'm whiter than white can be polish german french frenchcanadian russianjew and irish (imma mutt) and i know more about hip-hop than most black people and thats the truth
September 27, 2008 1:16 PM
 

HipHopIS Love said:

@ Maineman

shiiittt i didnt know that it opened! i want it
September 27, 2008 1:17 PM
 

Hoop Seven said:

In the words of the great Bernie Mac "That's some bullshit!"......Somebody, with deep pockets in hip-hop, please step the fuck up and buy this property from Mark Karasick.  If you don't know why this story is making headlines, please go to another website that doesn't use the words hip-hop in it and join.
September 27, 2008 1:18 PM
 

Mr. Dimes said:

I understand the importance and the buliding's relevance to Hip Hop, but we should be saving for the folks that will be displaced from where they are living. Not because of the "birthplace" of hip hop. Hip Hop is such a movement that it would've been born regardless of 1520 Sedgewick, not because of it.

rappers won't save the building, the normal citizens of that district must.
September 27, 2008 1:20 PM
 

DJ TEKNISION said:

THIS IS A SHAME.. SEDWICK IS WERE IT ALL BEGAN.. PEOPLE ASK WHY IS THIS NEWS, BECAUSE WE HAVE BECOME DICONNECTED FROM THE HISTORY OF HIP HOP. I GUESS IT DOESNT MATTER ANYMORE, CAUSE BALLERS AIN'T STEPPIN UP TO THE PLATE TO HELP, BUT WHAT THEY DON''T REALIZE IS THAT IF IT WASN'T FOR SEDWICK APT ALL OF THEM WOULD BE BROKE AND HOMELESS IN THE HOOD!!! THIS HIP HOP SAVED A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVES AND GAVE THEM OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE.

http://djteknision.podOmatic.com
MIXES 4 EVERYONE!!!
September 27, 2008 1:20 PM
 

Nauticadon said:

@ Black Bomb- Those names you listed are well over a billion dollars of net worth combined. You mean to tell me these fools can buy 30 million dollar houses in the Hamptons around white people who don't even want them there but can't drop 5 million to save a hip hop landmark? Disgusting
September 27, 2008 1:21 PM
 

Entiel said:

Black folks have no honor. . .
September 27, 2008 1:22 PM
 

El Terrible said:

In Britain, that would have got a Blue Plaque. http://www.blueplaque.com/

Even the fictional address of Sherlock Holmes has one out here, so a place where such an influential genre was crafted should be recognised so that Tourists can go visit and help pump money back into the community.

Think of the infulence Hip Hop muic has had globally, even people who ridicule it will borrow from the cultureto sell their goods.

So why shouldn't it be a tourist attraction, just like the Statue of Liberty or the Empire State building?

People who question the significance of it need to wake up, erase that building and you erase a piece of history that eventually wil be re-written in order to remove the pioneers and place someone of a lighter complexion in their place as the founder.
September 27, 2008 1:23 PM
 

slimhermano said:

**SHAKING MY HEAD IN DISGUST**


shortnsimple said:
That should be a historical site. you know the developer is gonna tear it down. Hip hop can't keep shit man. freakin tragedy.

CO-SIGN. SAD BUT TRUE


Chico Clemente Bonilla Music (ASCAP)
September 27, 2008 1:25 PM
 

DaWildchild said:

Rappers are too selfish to give. Materialistic goods are too precious to their image for them to let loose some of the cash. Five rappers could pay that shit off and help upgrade the building if you look at what your top five rappers supposedly pull in.
September 27, 2008 1:26 PM
 

scoobyscan said:

I guess Nas, 50cent, Jay-z, Fat Joe, Foxy Brown and Lil Kim don't have $5 Million between them.

Let the families pan handle on the side of the street I guess. Cause Hip-Hop Millionaires are dead.
September 27, 2008 1:27 PM
 

Katalyst said:

Naw ya'll, for real that joint KRS has with Marley Marl, KRS says: "TALKIN TO DEVELOPERS ABOUT THE CITY WE PLANIN" ??????
All respect due but
You mean you planin to build a whole city and you cant help bail out the birthplace of Hip Hop????????
To me the city you planin should be built around this building my dude.
I would love to hear your response Kris.
September 27, 2008 1:27 PM
 

Bill_Blass74! said:

Who said why is this news? SO IGNORANT! You'll think they would've made it a historical place by now but DAMN! I just watched "BEAT STREET" the other day,I miss the essence of true hip hop.

Are we surprised though? It's sad but these guys rather go see Jacob and buy these Rolls Royce's instead of paying homage to their craft. Also, its the same with our Historically Black Colleges. How many Black millionaires sit back and watch the universities struggle? Lots!

Niggas always want to mafia this/that. At least them Italians stuck together,PEACE.
September 27, 2008 1:27 PM
 

Dank1 said:

I dont think we need to be holding some building up as "the birthplace of hip hop" what the fuck do we need some alter to go stand next to and pray?  Fuck that every time some kid walks by whatever they put in that spot with some earphones on playing some public enemy or something thats memorial enough.  
September 27, 2008 1:33 PM
 

wild100vet said:

@Maine Man

co-sign my dude.  everybody made valid points, but if all these rappers did put up something and save the building, then that's good business.  but that just goes to show you that rappers these days don't respect the culture no more, it's all about the dollar to these niggas.  it is a damn shame for real.  
September 27, 2008 1:34 PM
 

MAINE MAN said:

EL Terrible said: People who question the significance of it need to wake up, erase that building and you erase a piece of history that eventually wil be re-written in order to remove the pioneers and place someone of a lighter complexion in their place as the founder.

co-sign.... Black people are quick to forget about our history as a whole...Hip Hop and Black History...Shit is really disgusting... But we claim we keep it so real..."Don't forget where you come from"...Obviously we did......
September 27, 2008 1:35 PM
 

MissDallasTx214 said:

  MAINE MAN said:
@MissDallas...You have to read it the article sweety!!!
September 27, 2008 12:22 PM  
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I did! Im not one of those people that's eager to post a comment saying Im first!!! I read about how Herc and his sister Cindy began hosting parties in the building’s recreation room and that supposedly started groups like Afrika Bambaataa and Grandmaster Flash...I just wanted to know if maybe the Ahh readers knew something they might've left off in the interview...me and my cousin were having an arguement about the 1st rap song ever to hit the airwaves. I think it was by a white girl named Blondie with a song called Rapture and then came Kurtis Blow with The Brakes but she said it was Rappers Delight and I think it came out in the 80s also but she was 1st......then again I could be wrong, I was born in '81 so maybe I am wrong, lol.....
September 27, 2008 1:41 PM
 

shortnsimple said:

@maineman I didn't know it was nore, and didn't know it opens up. If i was a rapper id have a microwave oven chain so i can get my warm up a bowl of greens or some popcorn.

@miss dallas Rapture was played on the radio I dont know if it was first though could be. I remember teena marie rapping on square biz. damn i was in 1st grade in 81 so I could be wrong.
September 27, 2008 1:54 PM
 

MAINE MAN said:

MissDallasTx214 said:
How is this apt the birthplace of hip hop

@MissDallas...To answer your question....This is the place where it all began...Nuff said....

I believe Rappers Delight was the first cross over hit...The breaks came out in the early 80's and Rappers Delight came out in the mid to late 70's...
September 27, 2008 1:57 PM
 

HipHopIS Love said:

@MissDallas

U know that show on mtv super sweet sixteen? well darnell i think his name was is the son of one of th sugar hill gang and he said that that was the first hip hop song (rappers delight) but he could just be sayin that cuz he the son. Wikipedia says that rappers delight is the first song that  'popularized' rap music so u could be right wit blondie but i never heard the song
September 27, 2008 1:58 PM
 

MAINE MAN said:

Rapture is a tight song though...I remember when the Blastmaster KRS-ONE remade it....in the mid 90`s...
September 27, 2008 2:02 PM
 

absurdproductions said:

so where all the rappers at with the big bucks???? it could be a museum, don't let them turn it into yuppie bungalows, shit like this is what ruined a lot of neighborhoods in chicago, from the city's point of view its a wonderful development cuz hoods that used to be hoods are being colonized by rich yuppies, once enough of them get in there the property values go up and they clean up on the property tax, but then all the prices for everything else goes up and poor people are forced out, suburban crime rates go up after the mass exodus out of the city, then the mayor plays hero and says look what i did for this city, crime is down and population density is less, in the meantime the yuppies go broke keeping up with the jones and ten years later they're financially wiped out and get swept aside by richer folk, the rich get richer and the poor gotta take that shit elsewhere, the "american way"

myspace.com/braids21stcenturyh2

myspace.com/aztecdinero21stcenturyhiphop

myspace.com/blaccrage21stcenturyhiphop
September 27, 2008 2:05 PM
 

Asher "Black Bomb" Sommer said:

Rappers Delight was first. That was 78 baby.

I was born that year.

That was the first rap song ever to hit the airwaves

Everything else was freestyles at block parties.

Basically people started recording after Sugarhill

and furious five.

For everybody here I strongly recommend

watching Wildstyle the movie.

A great capture of the early days.
September 27, 2008 2:07 PM
 

DJ TEKNISION said:

MissDallasTx214 said:
did! Im not one of those people that's eager to post a comment saying Im first!!! I read about how Herc and his sister Cindy began hosting parties in the building’s recreation room and that supposedly started groups like Afrika Bambaataa and Grandmaster Flash...I just wanted to know if maybe the Ahh readers knew something they might've left off in the interview...me and my cousin were having an arguement about the 1st rap song ever to hit the airwaves. I think it was by a white girl named Blondie with a song called Rapture and then came Kurtis Blow with The Brakes but she said it was Rappers Delight and I think it came out in the 80s also but she was 1st......then again I could be wrong, I was born in '81 so maybe I am wrong, lol.....
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THE FIRST OFFICAL RAP SONG IS KING TIM III BY THE FATBACK BAND.  BLONDIE RAPTURE WAS A RIP OFF OF RAPPING ONLY THING THAT GAVE IT CRED WAS BECAUSE FAB 5 FREDDY WAS IN THE VIDEO. WHEN RAP FIRST GOT RADIO PLAY THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS VIDEOS. WITH ALL THIS TALK ABOUT HISTORY THIS GAVE ME AN IDEA TO PUT A PODCAST FOR ALL THOSE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THE REAL HISTORY OF HIP HOP!!

http://djteknision.podOmatic.com
MIXES 4 EVERYONE!!!

September 27, 2008 2:08 PM
 

MissDallasTx214 said:

@ Maine Man Rappers Delight came out in '79 and Rapture came out in Jan. 81 so you are right, however, Rapture was the first rap inspired track to top the charts, then The Brakes which was the second to be certified gold....I am assuming Rapture is labeled as the first rap song because it was the first to go gold.....back to the subject at hand, maybe many artists aren't contributing because they don't know about it?!? The first time I heard about this apt was on Ahh so maybe they're distracted, it's a lot going on these days, cities running out of gas, a historic election that's making history, hurricanes, robberies (rapper chain jackin has reached an all time high)...hell I could go on and on, it's no excuse Im just saying, some people may not know about this!
September 27, 2008 2:08 PM
 

Haughville said:

MissDallasTx214 said:
  MissDallasTx214 said:
 MAINE MAN said:
@MissDallas...You have to read it the article sweety!!!
September 27, 2008 12:22 PM  
-----------------------------------------------------------
I did! Im not one of those people that's eager to post a comment saying Im first!!! I read about how Herc and his sister Cindy began hosting parties in the building’s recreation room and that supposedly started groups like Afrika Bambaataa and Grandmaster Flash...I just wanted to know if maybe the Ahh readers knew something they might've left off in the interview...me and my cousin were having an arguement about the 1st rap song ever to hit the airwaves. I think it was by a white girl named Blondie with a song called Rapture and then came Kurtis Blow with The Brakes but she said it was Rappers Delight and I think it came out in the 80s also but she was 1st......then again I could be wrong, I was born in '81 so maybe I am wrong, lol.....
______________________________________________________
@missdallas
let me break you off a piece of game home girl, sorry but you loose that bet shawty, gon' pay cuz..lol
the first credited recorded rap songs were king tim III by the fatback band and the rappers delite by the sugar hill gang, both dropped two years before you were born in '79.
you know old skool hip hop is my thang....shit, when you're a o.g. you bump the oldies...lol
plus i remember when we stopped jammin' the funk and moved to hip hop back in the day.
ya gotta be 30 plus to really be up on ya hip hop history....lol
September 27, 2008 2:11 PM
 

MissDallasTx214 said:

  HipHopIS Love said:
@MissDallas

U know that show on mtv super sweet sixteen? well darnell i think his name was is the son of one of th sugar hill gang and he said that that was the first hip hop song (rappers delight) but he could just be sayin that cuz he the son. Wikipedia says that rappers delight is the first song that  'popularized' rap music so u could be right wit blondie but i never heard the song
September 27, 2008 1:58 PM  
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Im sure u heard it, u just didn't know that's what u were listening to, it's been sampled several times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWRL9NLQqP8
September 27, 2008 2:13 PM
 

Asher "Black Bomb" Sommer said:

Some other good tunes are

Everything started like this:

1. Sugarhill Gand Rappers Delight end 1978

2. Blondie Rapture 1979

3. Malcolm Mc Laren - Buffalo Gals 1980

4. Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5 - The Message 1980

correct me if I'm wrong

September 27, 2008 2:17 PM
 

HHInformant said:

we gotta save hip-hop- all rappers are abt now is money and getting adeal check out http://hiphopinformant.blogspot.com for exclusive interviews on real hip-hop artists.

HipHopInformant- From the Streets to your Laptop!

Peace.
September 27, 2008 2:19 PM
 

DJ TEKNISION said:

EVERYONE PLEASE GOOGLE KING TIM III BY THE FATBACK BAND.. THAT IS THE FIRST OFFICAL RAP SONG NOT RAPPERS DELIGHT THAT CAME A YEAR LATER..

http://djteknision.podOmatic.com
MIXES 4 EVERYONE!!
September 27, 2008 2:30 PM
 

MissDallasTx214 said:

@ Haughville, Im 27 and I was close!!!!!
Thanks for the info tho, @ DJ TEKNISION you too!! Yall have a great day....
September 27, 2008 2:31 PM
 

Hoop Seven said:

Haughville said:
ya gotta be 30 plus to really be up on ya hip hop history....lol

Cosign
September 27, 2008 2:36 PM
 

MACCAPONE said:

DAMN THAT FUCC UP SOMEBODY NEED TO STEP UP AND GET THIS SHIIT CUZZ ALRIGHT......
September 27, 2008 2:38 PM
 

MACCAPONE said:

WOWO CUZZ KEEP THE HIPH OP LEGEND IN MOOD CUZZ
September 27, 2008 2:42 PM
 

Meatwad Get Da Money said:

fuck that apartment. is you dumb ass niggas serious? fuck would a nigga put up money for that shit when tha economy fucked clean up. you tell a nigga who ain't got a job and no stable future in site that tha birthplace of hip hop is bein sold he gon say "so tha fuck what?" niggas sayin all these rappers are about is money now, what tha fuck you about then? hip hop ain't payin no nigga who don't rap bills. smh@yall
September 27, 2008 3:02 PM
 

MRGODBYROAD said:

OK NEW YORK........WHAT YA'LL GONNA DO? YA'LL SO HIP-HOP...........MORE HIP-HOP THAN EVERYBODY ELSE......RIGHT? LOL! YA'LL NIGGAZ ALL TALK!!!!!!!!!
September 27, 2008 3:03 PM
 

El Terrible said:

1 More question ... Anyone know how much Kool Hurc is worth?

See, the Pioneers need to hire Paris and get him to help them put together a business model to purchase the building and regain on their investment.

Even if it means rehousing the resdents and turning it into a hip hop museum.

They really need to think about regenerating the area, and keeping it alive that the residents can benifit from it also.

Think how many stars hip hop has had, how much parafanallia they could collect from od school artists, they could hold workshops/seminars and have walk through time exhibitions with video halls or some shit, where they could see a visual transition of hip hop.

They could also get rappers to authorise the re-print of classic tour T-Shirts each month, so it stays fresh.

Somebody need to fly me out there to talk to these cats, they coud turn that block into one of the must see things in New York.

Damn, throw a reaturant in there too, serving Milky Cereal for breakfast, have a Mr Goodbar Vending Machine and give out Pink Cookies in plastic bags at the Exit ;)
September 27, 2008 3:11 PM
 

Haughville said:

Meatwad Get Da Money said:
fuck that apartment. is you dumb ass niggas serious? fuck would a nigga put up money for that shit when tha economy fucked clean up. you tell a nigga who ain't got a job and no stable future in site that tha birthplace of hip hop is bein sold he gon say "so tha fuck what?" niggas sayin all these rappers are about is money now, what tha fuck you about then? hip hop ain't payin no nigga who don't rap bills. smh@yall
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-Stupid Quote Of The Day-
"fuck that apartment. is you dumb ass niggas serious?"
September 27, 2008 3:14 PM
 

tippydickumdown said:

@ HipHopIS Love-you are right,that statement was a quick ignorant retort towards dude.if you've ever seen my responses,sometimes I make ignorant remarks..but sometimes I also choose to spread what little knowledge I may have,as well as give my opinion,as well as everyone else.if that particular comment offended you,it wasn't meant to nor was it directed towards anyone but that individual,for the dumb shit he stated.we all know in the 21st century,there are a percentage of white people in america that can't be considered "wiggers",that are truly "down" with the blacks in america,their  culture,their lifestyles,them as people.and we all know there's plenty of non blacks across the globe that appreciated what started in that building & has spread to reach them.we also know racism still exists & thrives not just in our lives,but online as well.you being the exotic looking,self proclaimed "mutt" you are & knowing what you know about this hip mhop culture,you'd have to agree-"that was a fucked up statement on dudes part".but in life,you have to have a balance: knowledge has to be balanced with lunacy,positive with negative,vic "get silly" with common "the people".that balance allows separation to be visable.

rethinking my comment,maybe I should've said,"dude you ignorant mufucka!"..then again,I don't feel that was a racist statement on my part by saying what I said.I could've said,"you dirty ass,wet puppydog smellin,tight shirt wearin',trailer park trash,dusty foot,cracker ass cracker"..now that would be considered racist I think..see the difference?

..and the hits just keep comin..
September 27, 2008 3:17 PM
 

Hip-Hop???s Birthplace to Be Sold | 100 BEST RAP SONGS said:

September 27, 2008 3:19 PM
 

TalentedDJ said:

Damn shame. Not one person made mention of the fact that the courts made the decision YESTERDAY. Got damn shame. How can anyone bid or purchase a property that they probably arent aware is on the market already. Black folks (and you white folks on here that wanna be black) always wanna dramatize some shit before the outcome.
September 27, 2008 3:20 PM
 

TalentedDJ said:

And what exactly is wrong with Meatwad Get Da Money's comment???
September 27, 2008 3:22 PM
 

Meatwad Get Da Money said:

and this story is a perfect example that hip hop don't pay no fuckin bills. business savvy does and obviously tha pioneers had absolutely none. fuck is you niggas priorities at? if they tear that muhfucka down and build nicer homes for people would you still consider it a loss? i seen a nigga say turn it into a museum, filled wit what? turntables, microphones, posters, and that ugly shit turbo and ozone used to wear? fuck outta here niggas. diversify ya bonds bitches
September 27, 2008 3:25 PM
 

El Terrible said:

September 27, 2008 3:25 PM
 

Meatwad Get Da Money said:

i bet if i was agreein wit you and had said "WOWO CUZZ KEEP THE HIPH OP LEGEND IN MOOD CUZZ" you wouldn't have a problem wit tha blatant ignorance of my comment.
September 27, 2008 3:26 PM
 

Allahschild said:

Piece of trivia for everyone. There is a mainstream rap track that precedes "Rapper's Delight." It was done by a popular funk band called Fatback. The name of the song is called "King Tim III." It is officially the first time Hip-Hop was ever put on record. It was a released just a few weeks before "Rapper's Delight."

But in another twist, "Rappers Delight" was copyrighted on August 25, 1979, beating out "King Tim III's" date of August 29, 1979.

For those who've never heard it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcTP4cvXSP0

FYI- Kudos to DJ TEKNISION for bringing this up first.
September 27, 2008 3:31 PM
 

shortnsimple said:

@meatwad get da money... Did you just read what u wrote? you basically sayin fuck it, so the fuck what just like the guy that u explain with no job or stable future. are you talking about yourself? Why the negativity? ain't getting no where with comments like that.
September 27, 2008 3:32 PM
 

Asher "Black Bomb" Sommer said:

@Meatwad Get Da Money

Get the fuck outta here. Your comments are straight ass.

That time there was no money in Hip-Hop fool.

Call it development era. The parties in Sedgewick were

free. All that money thing didn't happen before mid 80s

So don't the fuck talk about business savy.


They pioneers were no 17 year old Soulja boy millionaires

They scratched their money together to make it happen.

Dudes like Flash, built in the crossfaders in his mixers

and most of his equipment by himself. They didn't have

Vestaxes or Numarks' back then.
September 27, 2008 3:41 PM
 

Meatwad Get Da Money said:

nigga ain't no basically to it, i'm outright sayin fuck it. and yes i'm talkin about me but i'm talkin about you, you best friend, his best friend, tha nigga in tha comments above you and everybody else in this country. watch tha news nigga. what tha fuck a rapper look like bailin out a building when tha WHOLE COUNTRY ITSELF needs a $700 BILLION WIT A B bailout. i just don't understand where you niggas is comin from real talk. yo ass could get fired monday is you still gon be screamin "save the birthplace of hip hop"? i majorly doubt it my dude. and i don't mean to come off negative but ain't shit sweet about whats happenin in this country. like jeezy say "ain't no work, no jobs.......but you still got bills nigga"
September 27, 2008 3:42 PM
 

Haughville said:

 Meatwad Get Da Money said:
i bet if i was agreein wit you and had said "WOWO CUZZ KEEP THE HIPH OP LEGEND IN MOOD CUZZ" you wouldn't have a problem wit tha blatant ignorance of my comment.  
______________________________________________________
i dont do unfair debates shawty, you first need to get your arsenal up, and get out ya' feelings.....but i will do the knowledge with you...every genre of music has an environment that dispay its historical impact on american culture (a museum) "except" hip hop...our music has had the biggest global impact of any genre of music in HISTORY! 1520 Sedgwick Avenue is not just the home of hip hop, but it provides affordable, housing in a city that has one of the most expensive real estate markets in the world...now i say that to say this, if its not just about hip hop, do you really think its cool to kick people out of their homes, that some have resided in for decades, so that a greedy landlord can rent the same apartment at a higher rate? if your family lived in this building i think you'd have a different prespective...do the knowledge on the entire sedgwick situation before you drop that do do......have you been to Harlem since the make over? smh

Delta Blues
http://www.deltabluesmuseum.org/
Stax Museum (R & B)
http://www.soulsvilleusa.com/
Motown Museum (R & B)
http://www.motownmuseum.com/
Rock & Roll Hall of Fame & Museum (Rock & Roll)
http://www.rockhall.com/
I refuse to link Elvis' house as an example...lol
www.fuckelvis.com
September 27, 2008 3:47 PM
 

MissDallasTx214 said:

TalentedDJ said:
Damn shame. Not one person made mention of the fact that the courts made the decision YESTERDAY. Got damn shame. How can anyone bid or purchase a property that they probably arent aware is on the market already. Black folks (and you white folks on here that wanna be black) always wanna dramatize some shit before the outcome.
September 27, 2008 3:20 PM
---------------------------------------------------------
That's the same thing I said, maybe the rappers aint stepped up because they don't know about this?!? Im guessing this aint been reported on BET News and CNN so how would they know this is going down?!? Not everyone reads Ahh.....
September 27, 2008 3:50 PM
 

n.e.n.o.s. said:

@meatwad your ass could get fired monday is you gon be still screamin save the birthplace of hip hop?

that shit was funny as hell but so true.

niggas need to get over the fact that hip hop aint the same,nothing stays the same,hell the nba aint the same from 1980.
September 27, 2008 3:50 PM
 

HipHopIS Love said:

tippydickumdown said:
@ HipHopIS Love-you are right,that statement was a quick ignorant retort towards dude.if you've ever seen my responses,sometimes I make ignorant remarks..but sometimes I also choose to spread what little knowledge I may have,as well as give my opinion,as well as everyone else.if that particular comment offended you,it wasn't meant to nor was it directed towards anyone but that individual,for the dumb shit he stated.we all know in the 21st century,there are a percentage of white people in america that can't be considered "wiggers",that are truly "down" with the blacks in america,their  culture,their lifestyles,them as people.and we all know there's plenty of non blacks across the globe that appreciated what started in that building & has spread to reach them.we also know racism still exists & thrives not just in our lives,but online as well.you being the exotic looking,self proclaimed "mutt" you are & knowing what you know about this hip mhop culture,you'd have to agree-"that was a fucked up statement on dudes part".but in life,you have to have a balance: knowledge has to be balanced with lunacy,positive with negative,vic "get silly" with common "the people".that balance allows separation to be visable.

rethinking my comment,maybe I should've said,"dude you ignorant mufucka!"..then again,I don't feel that was a racist statement on my part by saying what I said.I could've said,"you dirty ass,wet puppydog smellin,tight shirt wearin',trailer park trash,dusty foot,cracker ass cracker"..now that would be considered racist I think..see the difference?
________________________________________________
you did pretty well until ur last paragraph when u tried to throw an undercover blow with insulting white people while pretending ur not thats like me sayin " "yea i coulda said "shut the fuck up u ignorant mutherfucker" then again, i dont feel that woulda been a racist statement on my part by saying that because i could have said you "charcoal ass, musty smellin, pants to ur knees wearing, hoodrat, ashy elbowed bootlip" now that would be considered racist... see the difference?" " fuckin moron

September 27, 2008 3:51 PM
 

Haughville said:

@Allahschild

what it is aught....damn, i dont get no props for droppin' that shit 3 post before ya favorite dj? lol
September 27, 2008 3:51 PM
 

HipHopIS Love said:

@ Haughville

AMEN
September 27, 2008 3:52 PM
 

Asher "Black Bomb" Sommer said:

That place should be our Graceland

And also Herc should finally get his

official status as our cultures father.


I kno enough heads, who never heard

of him.

I bet with you. in 20 years we will see

a Hip-Hop museum on 8 Mile road.

It's the same with rock.


We niggaz are too

underdeveloped and stupid.


Fats Domino and even Lil Richard are

still alive, but nobody cares about their

legacy.

When James Brown dies I saw mostly

whites honoring his work. But I don't

know what is wrong with us.



We are too stupid to preserve our culture!!!

We don't even know that Hip-Hop is global,

we just ass rape this culture, that's all.
September 27, 2008 3:55 PM
 

Meatwad Get Da Money said:

so what you sayin, first you want it to be a museum then you screamin folks gon get kicked out and if that was family blah blah blah. make ya mind up. is these folks gon live in a museum? and then why put a museum in tha hood? when that muhfucka get robbed folks gon be screamin "they shoulda neva gave you niggas money!" maybe they shouldn't tear it down just relocate it. i mean really its not even the building or tha history of the building that irks me about niggas comments its that niggas want another nigga to come out they pocket and try to save some shit that most folks don't know or care about. if you get off ya computer and ask a nigga my age where hip hop started he might say down tha street from his fuckin house. my whole thing is its more fucked up shit happening to us as a people than this. step ya priorities up.
September 27, 2008 3:55 PM
 

vega_diamond said:

its just a place.... is that so bad? hip hop is not a place so lets keep it moving. you want to have something to remember it... remember the coordinates....
September 27, 2008 4:01 PM
 

HipHopIS Love said:

Meatwad Get Da Money said:
so what you sayin, first you want it to be a museum then you screamin folks gon get kicked out and if that was family blah blah blah. make ya mind up. is these folks gon live in a museum? and then why put a museum in tha hood? when that muhfucka get robbed folks gon be screamin "they shoulda neva gave you niggas money!" maybe they shouldn't tear it down just relocate it. i mean really its not even the building or tha history of the building that irks me about niggas comments its that niggas want another nigga to come out they pocket and try to save some shit that most folks don't know or care about. if you get off ya computer and ask a nigga my age where hip hop started he might say down tha street from his fuckin house. my whole thing is its more fucked up shit happening to us as a people than this. step ya priorities up.

____________________________________________
you just proved every rap legends point with that last thing. if u ask a nigga your age? how old is u? cuz im 21 and if someone ask me where it started i know EXACTLEY where it started i couldnt say i was a hip hop head if i didnt know. People are talkin bout legends and people who've changed the game and proclaim themselves as TRUE HIP HOP ARTISTS THAT PRESERVE CARRYING ON TRADITION EXAMPLE NAS people on here is sayin if you rappin bout carrying on tradition and being a true hip hop artist and if they care so much about it and are sayin hip hops dead why dont u buy the building where it started if hip hop means that much its a thought there buddy open up ur mind a little or get off this page if you dont understand the history or at least stop making comments about things you dont understand
September 27, 2008 4:06 PM
 

Haughville said:

DUMB QUOTE #2

"so what you sayin, first you want it to be a museum then you screamin folks gon get kicked out and if that was family blah blah blah. make ya mind up."

every museum i posted is located in the hood fool...minus the rock and roll hall of fame, and fuckin' delta blues museum...even fuckin' GRACELAND is in the middle of the hood....Meatwad, i usually dont dis people on here seriously, but you are one ignorant ass young dude...fa real.

EXAMPLE #1 OF A IGNORANT COMMENT
"if you get off ya computer and ask a nigga my age where hip hop started he might say down tha street from his fuckin house."

GET AN EDUCATION PEOPLE, DONT JUST POST SHIT BECAUSE THE SITE IS FREE AND YOU HAVE ACCESS TO A FREE COMPUTER...
September 27, 2008 4:08 PM
 

Asher "Black Bomb" Sommer said:

@Meatwad Get Da Money, vega_diamond


20 years later y'all regret todays comments.

Believe me.

Call me crazy, but I have too much love for
Hip-Hop to just let it get trashed away like
that.

To me that place is more important than
Bethlehem or Mecca. Tell the Muslims to
move Mecca, because somebody bought the
the land for the sake of oil.

Think about it.

September 27, 2008 4:11 PM
 

Ten $ Shades said:


Hey where's Diddy???
He said he had the key to the city,
tell him to sort this shii out ASAP!
September 27, 2008 4:14 PM
 

shortnsimple said:

I will get off the computer and ask the first youngster i see that and if he give me a dumb ass answer then hiphop is truly dead. We all have opinions i guess so imma leave it alone now. I know one thing though, my kids will know rather they dig it or not.
September 27, 2008 4:21 PM
 

MAINE MAN said:

@Meatwad....You funny as hell....What do you not understand...ITS APART OF BLACK HISTORY......


Saving something that has made not only an impact in our community, but in the world is prioritizing dum dum.... But we can only save our selves...Do you think THEY gon do it.....
September 27, 2008 4:21 PM
 

Meatwad Get Da Money said:

i'm 22 and i'm saying that instead of buying a fuckin building that started hip hop why not sponsor a school. why not open a community center. if nas and people like him wanna carry on the tradition tell them niggas to start scholarship funds in they names or their labels names. so when a young nigga graduate from college he can really say hip hop just saved my life. that building ain't really doin shit for me or u. who gainin what out of its existence? you niggas is bein mad selfish imo. whether they save it or not a week from now you'll be on some more shit and kids will still be wantin jordans more than an education, lil 15 year old girls will still be gettin pregnant and tha economy still gon be fucked. this is like tha don imus thing all over again. its bigger problems in the black community than this building and whats gon happen to it
September 27, 2008 4:21 PM
 

Allahschild said:

@ Haughville

Sup man my bad lol Props to you as well on that...
September 27, 2008 4:23 PM
 

MAINE MAN said:

@MeatWad...yea I think your name describes you and your comments....

.
September 27, 2008 4:27 PM
 

Hip-Hop???s Birthplace To Be Sold « HipHopScholar(Est.1974) said:

September 27, 2008 4:27 PM
 

Haughville said:

shortnsimple said:
I will get off the computer and ask the first youngster i see that and if he give me a dumb ass answer then hiphop is truly dead. We all have opinions i guess so imma leave it alone now. I know one thing though, my kids will know rather they dig it or not.

c/s that's a solid
______________________________________________________
@Allahschild
lol.....good lookin' aught
September 27, 2008 4:28 PM
 

shortnsimple said:

I will get off the computer and ask the first youngster i see that and if he give me a dumb ass answer then hiphop is truly dead. We all have opinions i guess so imma leave it alone now. I know one thing though, my kids will know rather they dig it or not.
September 27, 2008 4:30 PM
 

Meatwad Get Da Money said:

i'm 22 and nobody i know or have ever known knows about the birthplace of hip hop. it seems like you people pick parts of my comments to respond to tho. my whole thing is if nas and other rappers say they wanna carry on the tradition of hip hop sponsor a school, build a community center in tha worst hoods so kids are occupied after school, start a scholarship fund in your name or your label's name. that way when a young nigga graduate college he can really say hip hop saved my life. ain't nothing comin outta that building but memories. that's it. what's so ignorant about believing that there are more important things affecting the black community nah tha black RACE than the birthplace of hip hop? don't read tha part of tha comment you wanna argue wit me about and then catch feelings cuz i ain't agreein wit you. "this shit is bigger than nino brown"
September 27, 2008 4:35 PM
 

HipHopIS Love said:

@ Meatwad

you know why kids want jordans more than an education? cuz they listen to the radio. music has an amazing impact on the youth and people used to be empowered and inspired by their music now all it inspires them to do is get bust it baby's and make it rain its pathetic. and as far as girls getting pregnant at such a young age thats the parents issue little kids shouldnt be running around like lost dogs at night what else are they doin out so late at night? nothing good. being a babymomma aint cool its pathetic and girls should want more for themselves. music nowadays just degrades woman and makes them think they have to act like sluts to get attention look at the videos can we find one without a VIDEO VIXEN?!? like wtf is that? a video vixen? u mean a video whore? i feel sorry for the younger generation of girls growing up because they dont have a chance
September 27, 2008 4:43 PM
 

Asher "Black Bomb" Sommer said:

@Meatwad Get Da Money
you need to learn alot.
Just because you don't know, it doesnt mean
you shouldn't educate yourself. You can google
or wikipedia anything now. The more you under-
stand, the more you will know the value of this
place and why it needs to be preserved.

Why you think Rock is considered white music
nowadays? the people who started Rock were
all black, but people only know about Elvis.

And Fats Domino, Lil Richards and all them
1st generation rockers are still alive.
September 27, 2008 4:45 PM
 

MAINE MAN said:

@Black Bomb...co sign 1000%....hell yea...
September 27, 2008 4:54 PM
 

Meatwad Get Da Money said:

u niggas still don't get it. i don't need to educate myself on hip hop because hip hop is a non-factor to the real world. no1 needs to educate themselves on hip hop because hip hop pays no bills, it doesn't have a 401k plan, no retirement plan, no paid vacations, and no sick days. i'm not saying hip hop is not a good thing, i'm saying there are bigger things to be educated upon other than hip hop. do you think anybody that is going to hire me, u, your sons or your daughters gives a flying fuck where hip hop started, who the first rock n rollers where, or if graceland is in the hood or not. goddammit you people are crazy. i'm not saying that we don't need to know our heritage, who did what first, and why we like the things we like. hell i get upset myself when i hear a 16 year old rappin "you can try me fucka but when i squeeze it hurt/ huh, we'll lose 2 lives, yours and mines/give me any amount of time don't let ms. carter grieve....." and swear up n down that lil wayne came up wit that shit himself. it frustrates me 2, but at a time like this these types of frustrations are frivolous at best. if this was 2000 i'd be all for saving the birthplace of hip hop but its 2008 and niggas is fucked up out here. all i'm saying is: this is the least of our problems right now.
September 27, 2008 4:59 PM
 

MAINE MAN said:

Food for thought:Chuck Berry...Was the guy who invented Rock and Roll....
September 27, 2008 5:02 PM
 

MRGODBYROAD said:

  @Meatwad Get Da Money

DUDE I LIVE IN THE SOUTH.....AND WE GOT ALL KINDS OF CIVIL WAR BATTAL SIGHTS.............WHY IS IT WHEN BLACK/MINORITES WANT SOMETHING 4 OUR OWN THERE IS ALWAYS A FUCKIN PROBLEM! I DO GET YOUR POINT ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SAID....................
IF YOU ARE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER BREAK DANCING ON CARD BOARD ON THE SIDE WALK...............OR DOUBLE DECK BOOM BOXES...................THIS SUBJECT IS NOT FOR YOU!!!!!
September 27, 2008 5:08 PM
 

aj22 said:

umm, yea @ the comments-------smh

i not even going to waste my time---------------ppl feeling themselves, might as well dig a ditch to bury themselves----------
September 27, 2008 5:13 PM
 

K Rock said:

to HipHopislove...

homeboy had a racist comment, but you say YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT HIP HOP THAN MOST BLACK PEOPLE? let's not get too crazy.  

i don't doubt that you may have a deep understanding and appreciation for the culture, but don't discount the knowledge of "most" black people because what you think you know about the culture.in addition to that, Black people have made several major contributions to music PERIOD, and everyone was not raised listening to hip hop.  therefore there are many people who may not know as much about hip hop as others, because they may have been raised listening to reggae, jazz, gospel, etc.  Black people are not limited to hip hop by any means, but HIP HOP is another jewel of Black/Brown culture.  Its style is infectious, as most of our contributions are, and people all over the world love it and appreciate it because of the meaning and lifestlye that it encompasses.  

As far as the building goes, beyond it being made into a museum, how about the people who will be forced out because they cant afford the hike in rent that is about to take place?  same thing is happening in Harlem.  but who knows about that?  wish the Clintons would fight for the rights of those being victimized by the greed and bullying by the upper class, being that Bill is the Harlem-ite who started the gentrification movement.
September 27, 2008 5:33 PM
 

aj22 said:

very well written-----------
September 27, 2008 5:51 PM
 

Meatwad Get Da Money said:

u know if them niggas was on top of they shit they might not be living in tha projects in tha first place and wouldn't even have to worry about gettin put out their houses. maybe if when niggas did start gettin in the 80's, as asher so eloquently said, they put that money towards a nice community rebuilding process instead of dookie ropes and closests fulla ugly leather outfits and fuckin adidas it might not be such a thing as projects. at least in new york. maybe niggas need to get on they shit BEFORE shit like this happens so then we won't have to go lookin for a handout when it does. maybe its not the clintons fault, maybe its yours nigga. and while you niggas is commentin callin niggas ignorant i don't see you diggin in ya pockets tryna save that muhfucka. things that make you go hmmm face ass niggas.  
September 27, 2008 6:00 PM
 

slimturk said:

I THOUGHT 50 CENT WAS BUYING THIS PROJECT BUILDING?
September 27, 2008 6:02 PM
 

DonLevon said:

Everyone saying rappers should get together in buy that poperty thats bad business for someone with someting to lose becoues now u have a rapper with a building with 100's of tenants.  everytime something happen in that place they ass will be in court.
September 27, 2008 6:05 PM
 

neworleansuptown said:

man fuck that shit they knock my projects nobody wasnt saying nothin fuck that shit
September 27, 2008 6:50 PM
 

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September 27, 2008 7:13 PM
 

K Rock said:

Meatwad...while you are a HERB in the truest sense, lol, you touch on a few topics that are too deep and exhausting to discuss thoroughly on this platform.

I am no one's nigga, calm yourself with all that.

you never know someone's situation.  kudos to you for being born with a silver spoon, but some of us have had situations that do not lend to being out of the projects as of yet.  Beyond that, you nor anyone else for that matter is any better than someone from the projects.  the children in the pj's/ghettos  didnt ask to be there, so do they deserve to deal with being put out? there are people who are orphans, living in single parent households, or plain and simple werent born with the financial security that others have.  if you are at all a hip hop fan or even a conscious citizen, you would be familiar with the disparities of wealth both globally and nationwide.dont get it twisted, many are grinding to get out, and while some are complacent, most project residents are not there by choice.  like most of the MC's and rappers who have made a name for themselves, some of us were born with rags and aim to gain riches, but that doesnt happen over night. As a moderate(politically), i dont believe in handouts, but definitely believe in human rights, and do not promote people's livelihood being threatened over a buy out. as far as the 80's, thats too deep to get into, you are talking about the climax of the drug trade in our community, EVERYONE was not swimming in dollars, and capitalism has victimized pools of people.

chill with your internet thuggery, apparently you dont know the true grind.  if you are so anti-projects, dont listen to hip hop! side bar...most of the greats in any industry, black/white/other have come from the slum/ghetto/impoverished communities.  as Jay Electronica would say "so what you sayin'?"  
September 27, 2008 7:24 PM
 

InMyDeck said:

I understand where Meatwad coming from with that, you cant ask somebody else to come out they pocket. These are hard times and everybody feeling it in someways. But something should be done. But most of yall are just mentioning the newer artists. Most of them aint start rapper because what they seen back in the days. they aint concerned with that. I from down south and i cant speak for everybody, but i been listening to hip hop since i cant remember, i was born in 1980 but i didnt know it originated there. Why aint nobody mentioning the people that was actually doing something back then, people like Russel Simmons, Run DMC, the Beastie Boys, LL CooL J, ect... they made a big profits back then and still amking them now. Russel simmons can easily clear that 5 mill. I can see if this was like 70 years from the origination and most of them was dead. But them same people still living and if they dont care about it, then why you expect someone who basically just starrted rapping to care?

I think them Old Heads have an obligation more than anything.
They quick to say hip hop is dead now. THEY pulling the plug.

September 27, 2008 7:41 PM
 

MAINE MAN said:

@FreshShaun...I'm a UNC-charlotte alumni...Homey
September 27, 2008 7:58 PM
 

RicoSkills said:

I was raised on Sedgewick Avenue. (birthplace of HIPHOP)
Look out 4 me....But yes they should try 2 keep this place up.
maybe even have a big sign on it saying ''Home of HipHop"
September 27, 2008 8:18 PM
 

HipHopIS Love said:

K Rock said:
to HipHopislove...

homeboy had a racist comment, but you say YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT HIP HOP THAN MOST BLACK PEOPLE? let's not get too crazy.  

i don't doubt that you may have a deep understanding and appreciation for the culture, but don't discount the knowledge of "most" black people because what you think you know about the culture.in addition to that, Black people have made several major contributions to music PERIOD, and everyone was not raised listening to hip hop.  therefore there are many people who may not know as much about hip hop as others, because they may have been raised listening to reggae, jazz, gospel, etc.  Black people are not limited to hip hop by any means, but HIP HOP is another jewel of Black/Brown culture.  Its style is infectious, as most of our contributions are, and people all over the world love it and appreciate it because of the meaning and lifestlye that it encompasses.  

As far as the building goes, beyond it being made into a museum, how about the people who will be forced out because they cant afford the hike in rent that is about to take place?  same thing is happening in Harlem.  but who knows about that?  wish the Clintons would fight for the rights of those being victimized by the greed and bullying by the upper class, being that Bill is the Harlem-ite who started the gentrification movement.

----------------------------
Don't take what im sayin the wrong way im not saying that i'm smarter than black people lol not at all i guess what i mean is i know more about HIP HOP than most black people in MY hood as far as the history and just general knowledge of artists, production etc.. and the reason i said that wasnt cuz "im feeling myself" it was because dude was tryna say basically that dude musta been white since he didnt know what he was talkin bout - was just lettin him know white people know a lot about the music and the culture and its possible for somebody whos white to know more about it if theyre someone who has a passion for it as opposed to someone who may not be so passionate or may be more interested in rock or R&B or WHATEVER. and yes i do have a deep understanding and definatly an appreciation for the CULTURE WHICH OBVIOUSLY BLACK PEOPLE ARE MORE FAMILIAR than me but i do get offended that people seem to think that we couldnt possibly understand the culture and the principles that hip hop was formed on. Me being white doesnt make me a "wigger" as people call it. i grew up in the projects my family was one of like 5 families that were white. Usually people gravitate tords music that they can relate too and thats what i did i grew up on hip hop music i live what they rap about (and i know u all prolly sittin there like i bet that bitch live in the suburbs and dont know what a hard life is). i also have two sisters and both are black how can i not have an understanding of black culture when i have a black family? Some people have religion to turn to i had music. im not a religious person so i cant go ask god for help or go to church and confess my sins so i would go up in my room and listen to music and as life moved forward the music changed to material things i listened to it for the storytelling and the struggle part of it so when the music changed i went backwards to find what i wanted to hear and as it changed i appreciated the history more and more so yea i know an awful lot about hip hop but you say dont discount the knowledge of most black people and that wasnt my intent but dont discount my knowledge either based on skin color alone. i apolgize if my statement offended u that was not my intent  
September 27, 2008 8:35 PM
 

tippydickumdown said:

HipHopIS Love said:you did pretty well until ur last paragraph when u tried to throw an undercover blow with insulting white people while pretending ur not thats like me sayin " "yea i coulda said "shut the fuck up u ignorant mutherfucker" then again, i dont feel that woulda been a racist statement on my part by saying that because i could have said you "charcoal ass, musty smellin, pants to ur knees wearing, hoodrat, ashy elbowed bootlip" now that would be considered racist... see the difference?" " fuckin moron

for 1 uh,that was sarcastic,that last paragraph.2,you feeling like I'm  a moron is a matter of opinion,and you're incorrect.3,you thought you were clever by rewording my last paragraph,but if me saying that makes me a "fucking moron",in your words,you doing it too makes you what?? hahahaha..21.your knowledge of hip hop is limited @ best,and I'm willing to bet on it.case in point-dude told you earlier on this post that fatback band's "king tim III"(personality jock) was the actual 1st rap record right? can YOU tell me what other rap record that rapper,on the fatback's song is known?? for?
now if wanna really be that moron you think I am,I'd say,don't spend your whole life on yo back..
September 27, 2008 9:09 PM
 

tippydickumdown said:

uh since when does white girls getting black dick on a regular basis make them an expert on black culture? NOT DIRECTING THIS TO ANYONE IN PARTICULAR MIND YOU,just saying..
September 27, 2008 9:11 PM
 

Its_BX_NYC_187 said:

There's Not One Rapper With Money That Gives A Fuck About That Building Because If They Did They Would've Been Saved That Building... This Shit Has Been Going On For The Last 3 Years Maybe Longer... If Any One With Money Cared They Would've Did Something... That's A Shame That That Building Is About To Get Sold... That's A Landmark... These Cat's Don't Know How To Give Back To The Community... At 7.5 Million, If Managed Properly Your Going To Get Your Money Back No Problem And More...
September 27, 2008 9:44 PM
 

bigscosha115 said:

NOW YOU SEE DAT NEW YORK RAPPERS DONT STICK TOGETHER...WHATS 5 MILL....TO 50 CENT..JAY-Z...COME ON MANIO...STOP HI HATIN AND PUT UP SOME MONEY.....I THINK IMA CALL T.I AND DA BOYZ TO BUY DIS SHIT......DEF JAM SHOLUD PUTS SOME MONEY UP.....WHERE RUSSELL WHEN YA NEED HIM.....DAMN MANNNNNN.....
September 27, 2008 10:25 PM
 

MRGODBYROAD said:

@ K ROCK!!!!!!

VERY WELL PUT!!!!!!!!!!

GA
September 27, 2008 10:57 PM
 

Asher "Black Bomb" Sommer said:

We need something like a hood tax from
execs in the business. There are too many people
who don't give a fuck. Milk the cow for what it's
worth.
Damn, I grew up in the 80s and early 90s.

All this was created out of nothing.

That time nobody in the world had respect of

black people. Hip-Hop has changed the world.

Thanks to that we have this culture even you

"meatwad" got a job. There are people in any

angle of society who love Hip-Hop. You can talk

to a bank executive nowadays who might be

the greatest Snoop Dogg fan ever to give an

example. Who will listen when a black or latin

dude talks. Back in the 80s Michael Jackson

even needed to change his skin and looks in

order to sell better.

I can go to any place in the world. Go to Korea

and you will see people who are in love with

Hip-Hop. India, China, Japan, Spain, Germany, France.

They probably know more about it's background

than the average dude in the hood.


What would we be without our culture.

Sure it doesn't pay our bills in the first way.

Not everybody's job is Hip-Hop related, but

it still opens doors. It brings people together

of all cultural backgrounds. I would say

Hip-Hop has done more against racism, than

any other effort has.


Like Hip-Hop is love said.

I fully cosign that. I also don't give a fuck

about religion. I ain't down with commercial

god, but Hip-Hop is something real, that we

created. No question to it's existence.

So that's the only religion I will ever have.
September 27, 2008 11:04 PM
 

Asher "Black Bomb" Sommer said:

like I said before.

Would anybody break down graceland?

Would Muslims sell Mecca?

Would Jewish built Condos on their holy sites?

Would Chinese break down the chinese wall or Shaolin Temple?

Would british crush Stone Henge, big ben?

They even preserve Sherlock Holmes's house?

Would Egypt break down the pyramids?


But I can bet with anybody here.

ONE DAY THERE WILL BE 8 MILE MUSEUM

AND MOST PPL HERE WILL SHOUT RACISM.

THE SAME THAT CALL SEDGEWICK OBSOLETE.
September 27, 2008 11:26 PM
 

AZ Westsider said:

who was the mother of hip hop? and who delivered it? Dr. Dre?
September 27, 2008 11:27 PM
 

Meatwad Get Da Money said:

k rock, nigga, no internet thuggery here. i was born and raised in the projects of south memphis so i know first hand that a lotta people in the projects would rather buy $160 shoes and pay $8 in rent. i don't need to know any1's situation to comment on shit i've seen first hand. when you get done preaching you know what it is. you know how it go. so don't act like EVERYBODY in the projects is gettin a raw deal. some of em brought that deal on themselves and are quite comfortable wit that deal. my father worked in a warehouse makin about $9 a hour and my mama worked at a rehab center makin about $10 to get us away from the projects. don't talk to me about a silver spoon damn fool. it just still seems to me that you people ain't readin the whole comment once again.
September 27, 2008 11:39 PM
 

Distrakt said:

hmmmm
Guess that's there version of knocking the nose off the sphinx. Why would they want future generations to know what time it is when it comes to.......

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September 27, 2008 11:55 PM
 

AverageJoeMusic said:

Shit turn it into a museum or sumthin...every rapper eatin off the art needs to front sum beat...buncha cheap muthafuckas
September 28, 2008 12:03 AM
 

bigdnolimit said:

a fuckkin charity concert could have solved this issue, but hey what do I know!
September 28, 2008 12:59 AM
 

HipHopIS Love said:

@ Tippydickumdown

"uh" who said i was an expert on black culture? learn how to read before you try to insult somebody. I never in my life dated a black dude nor "got dick" as u say by a black dude like i've said i dont want to be black i dont need to be i'm comfortable in my own skin what i've said is i know a lot about hip hop music and WHAT REAL HIP HOP IS instead of dj unk and yung joc bullshit.  Just because i'm a girl dont think you can insult me by tryna call me a slut or somethin because u dont know me but judging by your own name and avatar you may be tho. not somethin to be proud of either. My sisters are black so im not ignorant to black culture is my point if i have to dumb it down for you that much but nowhere did i say i was an expert nor do i want to be i'll leave that up to you. Also, i know your last paragraph was sarcastic but that doesnt change the fact that ur still using the word cracker and using ignorant stereotypes in the middle of a joke. thats why your a moron i should  have used asshole that would have been more appropriette. My sentence just shows you my point because after reading that i bet you felt insulted at the word bootlip as i do with cracker. And like i stated earlier to MissDallas i think it was that i wasnt sure what the first rap song was i thought it was rappers delight but i've heard of the fatback band and the only song that i can remember with Tim Washington that was popular was "Gotta get my hands on some money"
Gotta go lay on my bac..noo i think my man can be on his back ;]
September 28, 2008 1:05 AM
 

vega_diamond said:

@asher....

if the muslims are worshiping a place rather than God then yea move mecca. and if you love hip hop because of a house that the person who started it lived, then you have your head is in the wrong place. it is an inanimate object! if you are so pro hiphop, then no matter what happens to that location, then you will still hold down your beliefs and your culture.
September 28, 2008 2:39 AM
 

Deeper Than Rap said:

September 28, 2008 3:00 AM
 

Deeper Than Rap said:

September 28, 2008 3:00 AM
 

idongacha said:

NY rappers save this place, collectively, and petition it to be a national treasure
September 28, 2008 3:38 AM
 

Hip-Hop?s Birthplace to Be Sold - The BN Village said:

September 28, 2008 5:59 AM
 

MissDallasTx214 said:

  AZ Westsider said:
who was the mother of hip hop? and who delivered it? Dr. Dre?
September 27, 2008 11:27 PM  
-------------------------------------------------------
MC Lyte?!? Lyte as a Rock came out in '88 and Queen Latifah's came out in '89 so I think it's her........I think she paved the way for other female mc's like YoYo, Boss, J.J. Fad, and Monie Love....I think it's out of MC Lyte or Queen Latifah, Im not sure, somebody tell me who it is if Im wrong!!!!
September 28, 2008 8:28 AM
 

Water Ur Seeds said:

CO-SIGN EVERY1 LOL

I SAID THE SAME THING LAST TIME THIS STORY WAS POSTED UP... Y DONT THE MEGA BUCK RAPPERS BUY IT... THAT WUD GET THEM ALOT OF RESPECT FROM THE COMMUNITY ASWEL... ITS CHUM CHANGE TO THEM

WASNT DIS PLACE SAVED NOT SO LONG AGO, WHAT HAPPENED... YS IT UP FOR SALE AGAIN???
September 28, 2008 8:52 AM
 

MRGODBYROAD said:

 @Meatwad Get Da Money

DUDE, YOU MAKE SOME GOOD POINTS.............HOWEVER I READ YOUR LAST COMMENT AND AN IT MADE SENCE TO A DEGREE......YES SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST OK WITH BYING 150$ SHOES AND PAYING 8$ RENT! BUT HOWEVER SOUNDS LIKE TO ME...YOU THINK YOU'RE BETTER THAN OTHER PEOPLE.........YOU SAID IT "YOU GREW UP IN THE PROJECTS IN SOUTH MEMPHIS" YOU SAID THAT..........SO WHAT GIVES YOU THE ROOM TO BE SO DAMN JUDGEMENTAL!!!!
YOUR PARENTS GOT YOU OUTTA THE PJS.............NOT YOU! LIKE I SAID YOU SAID YOU GREW UP IN THE PJS...................SEEMS LIKE YOU DON'T REMEMBER WHERE YOU STARTED!!!!!!!!!!!
September 28, 2008 9:21 AM
 

Interstate P said:

@ Meatwad:

Seriously, I think alot of you "real Hip-Hop heads" just wanna argue. Meatwad, I think you came a little heavy with the whole "fuck that shit" approach from the jump, but I feel you on basically 99% of your position. We all have a responsibility to Hip-Hop on some level, but if the first place you worked at was going out of business, would you be putting up money to get it out the red? I don't think so. Everything is a progression. Things are bor and things die. This isn't the end of Hip-Hop. I thought Hip-Hop was about evolution? I do feel for those who may be subject to eviction, but they will not be left homeless as so many of you people have conceded. They will be offered and alternative, affordable housing solution or be offered a compensatory package for leaving. In other words, niggas will be caking if they throw them out. The projects, just like all other government-funded assistance programs is intended as a stepping stone to get your money up and move out, not a god damn retirement community! I grew up in the P's too. It's not like people are thirst to stay there. This might be a good look for them in the bigger picture. Call it forced motivation, lol. But seriously, I do think Hip-Hop should set-up a museum in the BX somewhere near 1520 Sedgwick. But placing a museum at the site does not solve the housing isssue, so people making that dual argument are spitting in the wind. Doesn't even come close to making sense with that hogwash. So, don't come down so hard on the young man for making his points because alot of what he's saying makes sense. 'Meatwad, easy on the 'fucks' though, lol
September 28, 2008 9:56 AM
 

INSURGENT187 said:

4 those who wanna kno:it goes in this order................................1st james brown...da big payback,1974...2nd,king tim da3rd,  3rd,grand master flash and the furious five,it was a party night everybody was shakin,the house was screamin n da bass was shakin....forgot da title, but it came out in 78,  then rappers delight dropped....79...i'm sure yall r surprised by that order, but listin 2 da lyrics on da big paybak...n thats y da vintage rap songs were created on alot of james brown traxxxx.....one luv...keep ol skool hiphop alive....
September 28, 2008 11:12 AM
 

Napoleon Solo said:

Calling KRS1:
Go and round up these rich rappers and have them buy the building.
Hova
Ciroc Obama
Fif

And all the others claiming mad loot.
September 28, 2008 11:28 AM
 

Sinistah aka Sin Piffcaso said:

They don't really care about us.........
September 28, 2008 11:42 AM
 

MOB4L said:

Long story short....times have changed and people have more money so now there really isn't a such thing as a  strong "Black community", just rich Blacks and poor ones and a bunch of fuckers who do nothing but talk about change but can't even help themselves. If it was any other race that building would have been bought back already considering its historical value. So much for unity....
September 28, 2008 12:29 PM
 

Sinistah aka Sin Piffcaso said:

agrees with MOB4L, look at all these "historical landmarks" of non hip-hop relevance, that continue to exist despite no occupancy or actual function at all.....

here we have a Building that actually had residents, and is responsible for the birth of the most impactful genre of current world culture, and those who benefitted from it financially would rather spend the money on snatchery/jewelry, than to preserve this historic part of Hip-Hop's ever evolving legacy...

just goes to show how unappreciative people with paper and prestige can be unless it directly affects their financial motive and personal interests......

we all dropped the ball on this as a culture and community....

Peace!
September 28, 2008 1:54 PM
 

vega_diamond said:

I totally agree with meatwad....

preventative measures are always the best thing. now I am all for keeping history and culture alive, but is it that actual house that is hip hop? nope.... if we as a people started handeling our business better then we wouldnt have this problem.

say what you will but keep in mind I wasnt born with a silver spoon, I went through more stuff than most of you could imagine, but there comes a time when you have to look at your past, present and future and realize what are priorities and what things are truly important. a house ... in a time when our countries business are lost is the wrong thing to think about. those who are claiming that we need to hold on to it are in my opinion "time pack rats" holding on to things for what reason ... because of a couple memories? lets be real here.... how many of us knew anything about this house before this article? Im in hip hop and i had no idea that it existed. that house never put one song down, that house never paid my bills, that house never did anything except generate a bll and now more stress for whoever lived in it.



open your minds I see what and why people are wanting to save it, now look around you and see why it doesnt matter. culture is not because f a building is it?

September 28, 2008 2:01 PM
 

vega_diamond said:

I totally agree with meatwad....

preventative measures are always the best thing. now I am all for keeping history and culture alive, but is it that actual house that is hip hop? nope.... if we as a people started handeling our business better then we wouldnt have this problem.

say what you will but keep in mind I wasnt born with a silver spoon, I went through more stuff than most of you could imagine, but there comes a time when you have to look at your past, present and future and realize what are priorities and what things are truly important. a house ... in a time when our countries business are lost is the wrong thing to think about. those who are claiming that we need to hold on to it are in my opinion "time pack rats" holding on to things for what reason ... because of a couple memories? lets be real here.... how many of us knew anything about this house before this article? Im in hip hop and i had no idea that it existed. that house never put one song down, that house never paid my bills, that house never did anything except generate a bll and now more stress for whoever lived in it.



open your minds I see what and why people are wanting to save it, now look around you and see why it doesnt matter. culture is not because f a building is it?

September 28, 2008 2:07 PM
 

Sinistah aka Sin Piffcaso said:

Sedgewick and Cedar?

well i 4get some people know nothing about Black History beyond Malcom, Martin, Rosa Parks, and probably 2 Black Panthers.... so i damn sure ain't expectin em to really care too much about the relevance of Hip-Hop's orgins.......

its just the way shit is...... everyone can rape the game but not respect its orgins...... if those block parties werent held, who knows what we'd be callin hip-hop or if this shit would even have existed to begin with.
September 28, 2008 2:41 PM
 

tippydickumdown said:

hahahahaha..I guess some people  are just a tad bit sensitive..perhaps it's that special time of the month.and the answer to that question I posed is: "the adventures of super rhymes",both by jimmy spicer.
September 28, 2008 3:09 PM
 

tippydickumdown said:

hahahahaha..I guess some people  are just a tad bit sensitive..perhaps it's that special time of the month.and the answer to that question I posed is: "the adventures of super rhymes",both by jimmy spicer.
September 28, 2008 3:14 PM
 

Neven said:

I don't have time to read everyone comments but this some major bullshit what is happening.  yes some or all major artist should get together and buy this historic property and, I don't know maybe put a hall of fame there I'm sure  Kayne would love to cry over why his is on the 3rd floor not the 5th.  but this building will show the weakness in hip hop.  If the fans can't even agree and have a positive discussion on something this important. Then there is no hope for hip hop maybe it is just a fad...............................


September 29, 2008 12:11 AM
 

ChillCurt said:

The city not letting any rapper buy that building!  Damn shame...and I'm a Bronx resident & a hip-hop junky...so I'm hoping something happens to preserve those apartments and its tenants...
September 29, 2008 1:43 AM
 

Grumpy said:

Now if this site were in BK, all the Hate-Z's would be saying "where is Jay, why he can't buy this?"

So where is Fat Joe and T/S?

http://www.1520sedgwick.com/

Fact is, it takes MORE than the asking price to buy this property; it takes additional monies to fund/maintain, etc. no different than any other Historical Site.

And it's not just one home that can be setup as a museum; people still LIVE here. Who funds THEM?

No one rapper is gonna give up their small amount of guap to keep this alive; projects like this require constant funding. The Jimmy Iovine's, the Doug Morris', the David Geffens, etc. wouldn't miss this money.

But it ain't THEIR history now is it?
September 29, 2008 7:37 AM
 

Hip Hop’s Birthplace To Be Sold For $7.5 Million | Hypetrak said:

September 29, 2008 9:01 AM
 

Marc Gunz said:

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September 29, 2008 12:18 PM
 

HOT97 said:

Yeah another case of how Rappers are quick to rep where they are from, but where they are from is still a dump, and not even being taken properly care of...Point is stop shouting out Brooklyn, Queens, Harlem etc; if your not adding to the Community...
September 29, 2008 12:48 PM
 

MOB4L said:

@vega_diamond

"open your minds I see what and why people are wanting to save it, now look around you and see why it doesnt matter. culture is not because f a building is it?"
-------------------------------------------------------------

Ever heard of Ebenezer Baptist Church? Or maybe the SCLC building? Or Auburn Avenue for that matter?

I knew about this place more than half a year ago...they've been talking about it for quite some time. The residents there had their own website where you could make donations to help them buy the building back. The building ain't even worth that much cause some of these hip hop moguls got several times the money that building is only worth ($7.5 million). We could've saved it, but we as a people always have a million and one reasons why NOT to do something productive for our own community...and then wonder why the rest of the world is so quick to NOT take us seriously. It starts with self. In regards to culture, sometimes all you NEED is a crummy old building. We're descendants of slaves and therefore have a history of others telling us that anything related to us is irrelevant to the point where we subconciously agree. Our surroundings can change rapidly but our mentality will take much longer. I guess most of us haven't quite evolved to the point where we are willing to fight for what is ours. This should be a lesson to all of us for the next time something like this happens. But its all good right? Not attacking you, just sayin'.....
September 29, 2008 10:18 PM
 

K Rock said:

2 HOT97

WORD!
October 1, 2008 8:04 PM
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