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Curtis Scoon: Hollis To Hollywood 
Published Monday, October 13, 2008 10:45 AM
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By "Grouchy" Greg Watkins
"Manhattan keeps on making it, Brooklyn keeps on taking it, Bronx keeps creating it,  and Queens keeps on faking it…" - KRS-One, "The Bridge is Over."


You can make up your own mind about KRS' statement. While directed at MC Shan's Juice Crew, it implicated the entire borough. Back then, Hip-Hop was a little more "real" than it is now. America had yet to zero in on the nascent culture as a mainstream art form and the actual records were its main form of communication, via late-night and weekend mix shows rather than TV and the Internet.


Hip-Hop, and Queens in particular, was experiencing a golden age in the music from 1986-1989. The Q-Boro housed superstar rappers like Run-DMC, LL Cool J, Young M.C. (yes, Young M.C.), Kool G. Rap and future stars like Nas, Mobb Deep, Ja Rule and Irv Gotti. That same period was a time of chaos in the streets of Queens, where drug lords like Kenneth "Supreme" McGriff, Pappy Mason and Lorenzo "Fat Cat" Nichols earned millions of dollars by controlling the borough's illegal drug trade through extreme terror, sheer brutality and limitless violence.


Many young black men and women survived the concrete jungles of the 1980's and early 1990's, but even when you reject that lifestyle, it's nearly impossible to escape. Queens was very notable,particularly because of the brazen murder of rookie officer Edward Byrne, an NYPD officer who was shot to death by associates of Pappy Mason.


Byrne's murder set in motion a chain of events, which eventually led to the passage of The National Crime Bill in 1989.


So imagine this: You made it through and have left those days behind you, but one day, your life changes after being accused of murder. And not just any murder, one of the most grizzly, unsolved murders in the history of the music business. Only it's not a screenplay, it's a true story. A story of reaching a dream against all odds. The story of Curtis Scoon.



AllHipHop.com: The thing people remember you for the most at the moment surrounds your implication in the murder of Jam Master Jay. What are your thoughts on the case and where it's at now?


Scoon: I don't think I am a suspect, but I was never really considered a suspect. I was once labeled a person of interest wanted for questioning. When presented with the opportunity to question me, the NYPD declined. A lot of people read into that and labeled me a suspect. I was never to my knowledge "officially" labeled a suspect, although behind the scenes that may have been the case.


AllHipHop.com: Well the police never implicated you but your name was all over the media. You have a memorable last name and from my vantage point, for a long time you and Tinard Washington [serving 17 years for robbery and admitted to being present during JMJ's murder] were the only names floated. That's not good company to be in.


Scoon: Here's the thing, It's correct that my name was perhaps the preeminent name when Jay first died. Most people in the entertainment business will recall there were all sorts of rumors and scandals at the time of Jay's death. I remember Ed Lover accusing Murder Inc. of complicity in Jay's death and there were a lot of other things going on. And I don't believe for a minute that Murder Inc. had anything to do with it. But I want to clarify: Everybody in Queens got blamed for Jam Master Jay's death. His death set in motion a lot of things that effected a lot of people. My name was in the media, but Supreme was picked up because of rumors associated with Jay's death, The Inc. was subsequently raided, and The Inc. has essentially been decimated, because of rumors and people talking recklessly about Jay's death.


"Everybody in Queens got blamed for Jam Master Jay's death... The Inc. was subsequently raided, and The Inc. has essentially been decimated, because of rumors and people talking recklessly about Jay's death."


Tah-Tah (Editors note: Tyran "Tah-Tah" Moore, a Queens street figure who has a child with rapper Sandy "Pepa" Denton of Salt-N-Pepa) was targeted by the police and he's been in prison for the last five years because of pressure about the Jam Master Jay death. Although my name was in the papers, Queens, at least South East Queens where I come from, caught a lot of heat behind Jay's death. There's a misconception that the police didn't do anything. That's easy to say for the people who didn't feel the pressure and the heat for that.


AllHipHop.com: Jay's death is going to be featured on an upcoming episode of America's Most Wanted. Like Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls, Jay's murder has become an unsolved legend. Do you think the upcoming episode of America's Most Wanted will help solve Jay's case at some point?


Scoon: Well first I want to say that my heart goes out to Jay's mother and his children. I hope the show gives them some sort of closure. Unlike Tupac and Biggie, Jay's murder is a very solvable murder. He was murdered in a studio, one block from the 103rd precinct, in the company of people he loved and trusted. To me, the investigation should have always started at the crime scene. Not in rumors of drug deals gone bad 10 years earlier, or scandals of infidelities and things of that nature.


There was a definite concerted attempt to shift focus from where it needed to be. Hopefully America's Most Wanted will play a role in putting this thing back on the right track. If you Google my name, it's just a bunch of stuff about being accused of murder and that's not a good thing. It follows me for the rest of my life. I am not a rapper or a celebrity, but my life counts too. I need closure myself.


AllHipHop.com: Well then why did you decline to be featured on America's Most Wanted?


Scoon: I spoke with a producer from America's Most Wanted and I didn't see a need to be on their program. I respect their show, but for me to be on their program does nothing for me. I am trying to distance myself from the death of Jay.


AllHipHop.com: Well how did you even get this reputation and how are you recovering from the incident?


Scoon: I live my life by this. A blessing and a curse are one and the same, the difference being in the application. So no matter what life sends my way, I am going to find a silver lining and make it work to my advantage. My knees aren't going to bend or buckle. My reputation goes back over two decades. I have to admit my role in that.


It has a lot to do with the company I have kept in the past. I have been associated and affiliated with people who maybe aren't that good. But that was then and this is now. Even around the time that Jay was murdered, I had been distancing myself from those types of people and that lifestyle in particular. It's like the old adage goes: If you lay down with dogs, you come up with fleas. As a young man, I just didn't pay attention to who I kept in my circle.


AllHipHop.com: It's interesting you say the company that you keep. Because six years later, most of the theories now center around the people he kept in his circle. Whether or not they were complicit, I don't know. I do know Jay's close associate Tinard has admitted to having played a role in Jay's murder . Now he could be lying, but he's known for putting in work on the street.


Scoon: The last thing I want to do is make an accusation. But I will say this. His entire circle—I won't mention anyone by name—they are all pretty much cut from the same cloth. They were not the kind of people that I would consort with. They weren't killers or anything like that. Whatever they are, you can put "petty" in front of it. Jay was a different kind of guy. These are people he knew his entire life, and maybe he didn't know how to cut the strings.


Whether they hurt him physically or not, they were all living off that man, every last one of them. If you were from Hollis and you wanted to gain access to the music business, Jay was the one you would approach. He got people jobs, he got people record deals. He was the benevolent one out of the group. I know why people hung around him, they were waiting for him to do something for them.

 

AllHipHop.com: And someone repaid him by killing him. That's crazy. What have you been involved in since Jam Master Jay's death?


Scoon: Well first, I had written two screenplays before this. In 2002, I was approached by Fat Cat's family after my first screenplay was optioned, but nothing ever happened of it. Then I was sidetracked by the Jam Master Jay implication. But in a strange twist, the attention from Jay's death expedited the process. My story was featured in Playboy and that led to the book Queens Reigns Supreme.


I worked very closely with author Ethan Brown. And now I am producing on television. I was a consultant on the Fat Cat Nichols episode season one of American Gangster, I actually co-produced the Supreme episode of American Gangster in season two and this season I'm the lead producer on The Shower Posse episode that's going to be featured in the upcoming episode of American Gangster.


AllHipHop.com: So twenty years later, with Fat Cat in particular, he's almost 50 years old and has spent most of his life in prison and will never, ever be a free man. No normal person would aspire to go on that path. But rappers seem infatuated with the gangster lifestyle. You said you were trying to shed that image, but aren't those American Gangster's helping to perpetuate this?


Scoon: Well the difference between what I do and what rappers do is this. In rap, the bad guys always run off with saddle bags of money, cases of champagne and beautiful women. That's not the reality, that's entertainment. I show the tragedy of what that lifestyle is. When you watch American Gangster on BET, you don't see a lot of lavish lifestyle or French Riviera trips. You see a lot of struggle. A lot of wasted talent, a lot of misery. Hip-Hop has redefined the term "gangster." Now gangster means "cool." Your rims are "gangster," your watch is "gangster." I always knew "gangster" to mean being able to impose your will, through the use or threat of violence. Gangsterism is violence at the core. And no matter what, it always ends up the same.


AllHipHop.com: Death or jail.


Scoon: That's right. I show it for what it is, and it's ugly and it's violent. And no one was as violent as The Shower Posse (Ed's Note: Shower Posse hailed from Tivoli Gardens in West Kingston, Jamaica and along with the Spangler Posse, controlled Jamaica's drug trade before expanding into the United States.)


AllHipHop.com: Right, you said you were featuring The Shower Posse on the next season of American Gangster. Just saying that name makes people worry. Is their rep how and why you selected them the focus of the episode?


Scoon: Man they were the most gangster outfit in the true sense of the word. Being a gangster isn't about popping bottles and driving Bentley's. It's about using violence to impose your will. The Shower Posse was a group out of Jamaica, West Indies, who through political connections, rose to power. They were headed by Jim Brown in Jamaica and Vivian Blake in America.


They've been accused of over 1400 murders, while making millions of dollars shipping narcotics into the country and sending money and guns out. It's important so people can see the raw brutality of it. Maybe if people see what means to be a gangster, maybe kids won't aspire to be one.


AllHipHop.com: Now that you have these credits what's next?


Scoon: I've received many serious inquires about the Fat Cat script. It's titled 10-13 which is NYPD code for "officer down." When I first started writing the script, I wrote it with Ice Cube in mind to play Fat Cat, because he looks like Cat. But when I discussed that with Cat, he told me immediately, that his preference was for 50 Cent to play him. And his reasoning for this is because 50 Cent is from South Jamaica, just like Cat. Cat also knew 50's mother Sabrina. And more importantly, he remembers 50 as a little boy.


That role would be much more closer to who 50 Cent really is, much more than anyone suspects. From his standpoint, 50 has the proper pedigree to play the part. From my standpoint, 50 would bring a continuity to the story that no one else could do. I am currently in talks with a number of parties and I fully expect this movie to get green lighted soon. People who have a problem with me are going to have to get over it. I am here to stay. I am not going away and I am getting stronger every minute.


American Gangster's Shower Posse special airs November 13. 


Comments

 

BIG GUSTER said:

ok
October 13, 2008 10:49 AM
 

Topchoice_1 said:

R.I.P. JMJ...I saw him live once, and he was amazing.....

I'm gonna check back on this....I know they about rip Scoon a new one regardless of the interview or facts or lies.....they love to rip anybody.....so yall do what ya love.

http://www.SouthernRapNews.com
October 13, 2008 10:51 AM
 

MAINE MAN said:

Sounds like a humble dude!

Fat Cat wants 50 to play him? hmm.

Co-sign on his theory of gangster
October 13, 2008 10:54 AM
 

BIG GUSTER said:

He prolly know what happen. My opinion
October 13, 2008 11:00 AM
 

Quiseebaby said:

Im glad a nigga finally explained what "Gangster" is. Its too many niggas talking that Ima G shit and aint one. Like he said Gangsters are violent, shrude about business and cold. Gangsters isnt concerned with the dumb shit niggas is now. Out of all the people focused on AG this season the Shower Posse is who I want to watch the most. Ive heard of them I just never knew they story and I would check out a movie about Pappy and Fat Cat......Maybe Yayo should play Pappy. Yayo seems kinda trigger happy
October 13, 2008 11:15 AM
 

Neven said:

Your rims are "gangster," your watch is "gangster." LOL   LOL  LOL

funny cause it's true the youth have taking a term that was a threat and turned into a fashion statement ....


" YO look at my gangsta outfit  G"



REST IN PEACE    Jason "Jam Master Jay"  Mizell
October 13, 2008 11:58 AM
 

Tommy K. said:

Queens, Queens nigga! Queens Village stand up!
October 13, 2008 12:24 PM
 

poe said:

October 13, 2008 12:39 PM
 

strykah.com said:

This is a message to Mr Scoon.What do you really know about the shower posse?I'm a cousin of Kirk Bruce.Kirk was the main shooter for the shower,He did most of that crazy mess.Right now he's on death row for killing five people in a maryland apartment.Vivian snitched on him which add another life sentence on his bid.Anyway there is a movie in production right now  about the whole story.www.strykah.com this story has the blessing from the don in TG.along with other members who's doing life.Dont spoil it.Kirk wouldnt like it if you did that.If you read this holla at me
October 13, 2008 12:47 PM
 

doobie-ashtray said:

nice interview.  they need to do an american gangster on me.
October 13, 2008 12:48 PM
 

strykah.com said:

check out the real shower posse story.www.strykah.com
October 13, 2008 12:50 PM
 

jase9 said:

I remember shower posse very well.. had the whole east coast shook. People form the Islands was scared to tell you they were Jamaicans cause the assumption was all Jamaicans were a part of Shower.. sorta like how I thought EVERYBODY in Cali was a gangbanger.

@ Tommy K...
my fam. lived in Queens Village, those are some nice co-ops son..lol

Fam. out in Mt. Vernon, Rockaway, Elizabeth (Jersey) and of course Philly.. always hated what dope did to the block, the addicts and the murderous dealers.
October 13, 2008 1:29 PM
 

strykah.com said:

them Jamaican kats laid the murder game down.i remember in miami they use to put it on the cubans.in new york the Dominicans use to say no business after 11pm cause thats when the Jamaica man come out.alot of the murders you saw in cocaine cowboys was done by The shower posse
October 13, 2008 2:07 PM
 

strykah.com said:

the godmother did about 200 the shower posse did 1400.Now thats gangsta
October 13, 2008 2:08 PM
 

strykah.com said:

everytime they show black gangstas they alway water it down.they try to make it like some italian mess.they never give us the credit.the jamaican posse was way more wicked than the mob
October 13, 2008 2:12 PM
 

strykah.com said:

everytime they show black gangstas they alway water it down.they try to make it like some italian mess.they never give us the credit.the jamaican posse was way more wicked than the mob
October 13, 2008 2:12 PM
 

strykah.com said:

http://ci.ftlaud.fl.us/police/reljul01.html         read about kirk bruce top shatta for the shower posse this dude murk almost 200 people alone
October 13, 2008 2:18 PM
 

Tommy K. said:

@ jase9

Yea my dude I was born in Queens and live there until about 3 then I was in the Bridge... later moved to LA and now I'm in Columbia South Carolina... Dope messed up our neighborhoods on allover!
October 13, 2008 2:18 PM
 

strykah.com said:

SHOWER POSSE  A TRUE GHETTO STORY
October 13, 2008 2:32 PM
 

strykah.com said:

TIME FOR CHANGE.TIME TO HEAL
October 13, 2008 2:35 PM
 

Ausar said:

Well I'm Tinard Washington's cousin and I don't know what he did or didn't do becuase he's been in and out of jail for most of my life and if he walked past me right now I probably wouldn't know him beyond the fact that he resembeles his father, but that's still my cousin. So when you talk about the Washingtons you're talking about my family and I really don't appreciate all this sensationalism because I have yet to see him charged, must less convicted of anything in regards to this murder.

In that sense, I feel where Scoon is coming from. People have families and lives and it's unjust to drag them and their family's name through the mud based on nothing but rumor and suspicion.

Some of our people became gangsta's as a response to conditioning and opression and we should not be glorifying their  tortured past for the sake of the commercialization of our once beautiful Hip Hop culture. These are sad stories about people in our families and communities that have not been fortunate enough to rise above the traps that these devils have set for us and we need to start focusing on more positive role models whose accomplishments eclipse the actions of the misguided few who have fallen victim. Perhaps then our children will  believe in themselves and the fact that there are opportunities for them if they choose a more positive road.

A sobering message, I know, but the truth as I see it nonetheless.

Ausar
October 13, 2008 3:08 PM
 

doobie-ashtray said:

@ausar

i get the sarcasm
October 13, 2008 3:22 PM
 

Ausar said:

Doobie-Asshtray - No sarcasm; it's true to life.
October 13, 2008 3:47 PM
 

Ausar said:

...and before anyone get's it twisted; I LOVED Run-DMC and have nothing but love for Jamaster Jay and sorrow for his passing.

I remember when Tinard's brother (R.I.P. Tony) brought DMC to my grandmother's house back in '87. They was all peoples since back in the days.

I hope Tionard had nothing to do with it, but even if he did what I said still stands.
October 13, 2008 3:51 PM
 

doobie-ashtray said:

@Assstar

i heard your cousin snitched on everyone and didnt even want less time, hes just a snitch ass type..  he just wanted to snitch. . its in his blood..
October 13, 2008 5:21 PM
 

doobie-ashtray said:

@assstar

yeah, i remember that day he came through your house and ate a sandwich and left. that was a classic time....

get the hell out of here.. stop trying to sound down.. you prob werent even there.. they might of told you once you turned 12
October 13, 2008 5:26 PM
 

King High Pimpn said:

I was thinking this was the nigga kissing up to  Mccain at the rally in ohio.  SMH & lol
October 13, 2008 5:44 PM
 

stlouisda1st said:

@Asuar

FUK this SHIT! Aint nobody glorifying shit. if its rumors he should've been spoke on this shit, you don't know your cousin but you got a lot to say about something you nothing about.  
 HOW in the hell you say you got nothin but love 4JMJ, and if your cousin did it the one you know nothing about and say you stand by HIM.  Go shoot yourself!!!

...and before anyone get's it twisted; I LOVED Run-DMC and have nothing but love for Jamaster Jay and sorrow for his passing.

I remember when Tinard's brother (R.I.P. Tony) brought DMC to my grandmother's house back in '87. They was all peoples since back in the days.

I hope Tionard had nothing to do with it, but even if he did what I said still stands.

CHI-TOWN STAND UP!
October 13, 2008 8:13 PM
 

MAINE MAN said:

strykah.com said:
everytime they show black gangstas they alway water it down.they try to make it like some italian mess.they never give us the credit.the jamaican posse was way more wicked than the mob

You talking wreckless saying they never gives us credit...Black People don't want or need that credit...We have too much shit to deal with as is...SMH...You sound ignorant as hell...  Sounding like its competition between the Blacks and the Italians to see who get the most bodies... Im Jamaican myself and I'm nowhere proud of that shit.... Were bout to have a black president and you on here yapping bout this shit...Grow up fuck nigga!
October 13, 2008 8:21 PM
 

MAINE MAN said:

SMH @ disbelief of how niggas get up here and get mad because blacks don't get the credit they deserve for killing people....

Your fucking stupid !!!!
October 13, 2008 8:27 PM
 

strykah.com said:

maine mad.they always make us look like fools in the movies.i would love for you to come to miami and say that shit to my face.you pussy ass nigga.you just like the rest of fools out there.you dont know what the jamaican culture brought to this world you live in.i see you ridin the italians dick made made man,oh sorry it's maine man or you should call yourself gotti
October 13, 2008 9:04 PM
 

Rahbinhood said:

October 13, 2008 10:55 PM
 

elflaks said:

@strykah .strykah.com said:
maine mad.they always make us look like fools in the movies.i would love for you to come to miami and say that shit to my face.you pussy ass nigga.you just like the rest of fools out there.you dont know what the jamaican culture brought to this world you live in.i see you ridin the italians dick made made man,oh sorry it's maine man or you should call yourself gotti
October                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     its a shame what you try to emphasize of Jamaican Culture. im 100%sure that this is not a fact that hardworking Jamaican people would wanna be associated with,but you embrace its perversion.you threaten people over the net"you gangster"like a much softer/dumber version of the idiots you so much idolize.
October 14, 2008 12:11 AM
 

elflaks said:

@Ausar by all acounts your cousins a piece of ish,no disrespect.you say you hardly know this person but you wanna stand up &  champion there cause,F-U.stop being ignorant/naive,your cousin has been a person of interest since day1,already has admitted being there,& is not forthcoming with any viable information,put the pieces together,you are another person who says that they love JMJ but draw the line of your love at the nite of his death,what a shame the people who loved him have bought upon his legacy,the man was killed in front of&by aquaintances,that are now proffiting from his death.the noose will slowly close around you so called friends.the truth will come out& if not things fall apart,you ppls killed a benovelent man,karma catches all!
October 14, 2008 12:24 AM
 

KingDred69 said:

who got fiya...? ima bout to spark  {{{-_-}}}
fightin over who the gulliest again...?
October 14, 2008 12:43 AM
 

Gangster Chronicles. « TCK On Broadway said:

October 14, 2008 2:54 AM
 

Water Ur Seeds said:

Thats gangsta lol

Nah 4 real tho He is right about gangsterism, also 50 playin Cat would Be A good look, people diss Fif for bein fake, but He is realer then 99% of these rappers, if Tinard amited to playin A part in the murder then He knows who done it, theres probly over 300 people who kno who done it, Scoon included

RIP J
October 14, 2008 8:59 AM
 

Water Ur Seeds said:

@ strykah

Get A life you wasteman
October 14, 2008 9:02 AM
 

Allahschild said:

Very good interview. Cube would do Fat Cat way more justice since he's miles beyond 50 in terms of acting but I understand why they'd want a Queens native.
October 16, 2008 12:43 PM
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