Michael Vick, Hip-Hop, and the Politics of Punishment

re: Michael Vick, Hip-Hop, and the Politics of Punishment

theillseed — Mon, 25 May 2009 16:19:33 GMT

"they" are going to go at vick for the rest of his days...smh. all he needs to focus on is getting on that field and doing his thing.

re: Michael Vick, Hip-Hop, and the Politics of Punishment

DelicateBeats — Mon, 25 May 2009 16:20:32 GMT

The guy was torturing and killing dogs. He's a f*ckin monster. I can't believe some people are backng him up. He deserves to die, like those dogs he killed for fun.

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mainwun — Mon, 25 May 2009 16:29:56 GMT

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Divine12th — Mon, 25 May 2009 16:50:45 GMT

1st and foremost EXCELLENT piece Tolu!

DelicateBeats said:
The guy was torturing and killing dogs. He's a f*ckin monster. I can't believe some people are backng him up. He deserves to die, like those dogs he killed for fun.

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Um DelicateBeats, Vick has paid his debt! He served his time. I believe he should publicly apologize to society, family, friends, and fellow NFLers etc. But honestly he dont have to. He did what he had to do, which was that 19 months. BUT, IF he wants to play on the field again he just might have to kiss some ass. Yes, he did do something foolish, and as bad as it sounds it all boils down to racism! This article hit everything right on the nose! Now what if Peyton was Vick? I guarentee Peyton WOULD NOT have done a single day of time! And the world knows this. I do believe he'll be reinstated for this coming season, he has too many supporters within the league. I started spot? Now thats another story. BUT ONE DAY IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE, VICK WILL ONCE AGAIN BE A STARTING QB IN THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE...BELIEVE DAT! He's better than ANY QB in S.F., Minn., Den., and no disrespect to Matt Hasselback, but he might look good in Sea with Housmanzadeh!

Divine, PEACE!

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bigzoo — Mon, 25 May 2009 16:55:25 GMT

This is why I always thought that intergration is bad for black people we try to assimilate with white people who have more power than us in this country and we end up just being whipping boys all over again.
If we would of kept our own leauges we would of had more black businesses and better athletes than those white leauges, yeah they would not be making as much but at least we would not have to coon and hold our tounges for these crackas

Oh yeah, screw them pitbulls you crackas need mental evaluations to see why you'll think a dogs life is more valuable than a black mans

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re: Michael Vick, Hip-Hop, and the Politics of Punishment

Prenz — Mon, 25 May 2009 16:58:37 GMT

All Vick needed was to get a license and he could kill any animal he wanted as long as he was using the appropriate weapon and dressed accordingly.

Admit it or don't, but the legal system has targeted Afro-descented people since the early documents caliming them to be one-third of a man. The punishments are often more harsh, more stringent and tend to have longer lasting affects than those lighter complectioned individuals in America. When a man pays his dues to society (by incarceration or what have you) he should not have to pay any other debts. What would be fair is saying that he is not allowed to own a dog as they tell convicted felons they cannot own a weapon. I am an animal lover to the heart and what he did was unfortunate whether he did it intentionally or by mistake, but he has paid for it and the transaction is completed. He should be allowed to go back to his normal life. (minus owning pets) That is what the justice system is for.

re: Michael Vick, Hip-Hop, and the Politics of Punishment

MR.100STACKZ — Mon, 25 May 2009 17:19:05 GMT

LEAVE A BLACK MAN ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF HE SERVED HIS FUCKING TIME, AND PAID HIS DEBT TO SOCIETY WITH ITS CURROPT LAWS THAT'S DESIGNED TO KEEP THE BLACK MAN DOWN, THEN LET HIM ROCK!!!!!!!!!!

BROOKLYN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE FIGHT DOGS ALL THE TIME IN THE HOOD SMH

HOP OFF THE BLACK MAN DICK!!!!!!!!!

re: Michael Vick, Hip-Hop, and the Politics of Punishment

KOSGOD — Mon, 25 May 2009 17:23:28 GMT

@Delicatebeats,

How would he have to do to earn your forgiveness?

re: Michael Vick, Hip-Hop, and the Politics of Punishment

KOSGOD — Mon, 25 May 2009 17:27:49 GMT

Prenz said:

"All Vick needed was to get a license and he could kill any animal he wanted as long as he was using the appropriate weapon and dressed accordingly.

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True true. As if keeping animals in a zoo or hunting deer, duck, etc would be any different. People want to protect animals, then protect them all, not just a few. Stop eating animals, ya hypocrites.

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KOSGOD — Mon, 25 May 2009 17:31:41 GMT

@Bigzoo said:

"Oh yeah, screw them pitbulls you crackas need mental evaluations to see why you'll think a dogs life is more valuable than a black mans"

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Sorry but ALL life should be respected...period.

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therealist209 — Mon, 25 May 2009 18:00:53 GMT

MR.100STACKZ said:
LEAVE A BLACK MAN ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF HE SERVED HIS FUCKING TIME, AND PAID HIS DEBT TO SOCIETY WITH ITS CURROPT LAWS THAT'S DESIGNED TO KEEP THE BLACK MAN DOWN, THEN LET HIM ROCK!!!!!!!!!!

BROOKLYN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE FIGHT DOGS ALL THE TIME IN THE HOOD SMH

HOP OFF THE BLACK MAN DICK!!!!!!!!!

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Man bruh bruh

Every cat in every hood done seen pits fight or even fought they pit..It is what it is

On some real shit Vick rather right or wrong kept it solid trust me he could have told on hella cats..because hella pro athletes involved in that shit for real.

He keep his mouth closed though

he keep it 100

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FloydBAYweather — Mon, 25 May 2009 18:04:56 GMT

@DelicateBeats

if tom brady did what Vick did and had the same sentence (which would never happen) would Brady be a monster.

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anyway. yea i m rootin for Vick to get back in the league. everything about professional sports rules is meant to kep black folk in check. frm the nba's new sidelines dress code...meant for black athletes so they cant dress like "rappers"....to the nfl's touchdown dance penalty. cuz niggaz got too much rhythm & peyton manning cant dance so niggas get penalized for pleasin the crowd!
Vicks case is different than pacman jones and any other athlete under scrutiny right now becuz he has served time. alot of time at that for what he "did." these other players didnt so thats where roger goodell feels its up to him to punish these players..almost like he thinks he the police of some sort....but to further humiliate Vick by making him apologize and work with the same ppl who massacred his character is ridiculous. Now if they made him do this before his conviction to lesson his "sentence" from roger goodell then thats different. but the man went to federal prison, not county jail to be booked the nget out on bail. almost 2 years of his life and playing days are gone becuz of it & people have the audacity to think more punishment & embarassment is needed. RACIST COWARDS. thats what the league commisioners are. i cant wait for the "barack obama of the nfl" to come and change the ways of "punishment on black athletes" cuz like i said before the white athletes arent inoocent. they've done crimes to but the nfl networks choose not to talk about them & what they did, let alone any further punishment from good ol' boy...i mean goodell.

re: Michael Vick, Hip-Hop, and the Politics of Punishment

FloydBAYweather — Mon, 25 May 2009 18:19:30 GMT

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canipost? — Mon, 25 May 2009 18:25:13 GMT

@bigzoo

They love anything that they consider a pet...including us until we fall from there good graces; (O.J. Simpson, Micheal Jackson)...they love MMA too wich is kind of an odd contradiction...if you speak with one of these people they will twist and spin this "respect for all life ideolagy" so that anything that they desire is alright but if it is to the contrary of their warped belief system then it is morally wrong...similar to how they manipulate religion and "law" to suite their wicked ways and to reduce everyone elses existance
...seperation would be the most logical thing to do for our own prosperity...I wish MV all the best

re: Michael Vick, Hip-Hop, and the Politics of Punishment

CRANSTONJULIANI — Mon, 25 May 2009 18:31:22 GMT

LET MIKE LIVE THE ONLY REASON HE DID TIME WAS OVER THE TAX FREE MONEY HE WAS GETTING OVER THE DOGFIGHTS, NOT THE ACTUAL ACT OF DOGFIGHTING...R.I.P DOLLA ....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb7d8pHtKpA

re: Michael Vick, Hip-Hop, and the Politics of Punishment

ColdDistrict202 — Mon, 25 May 2009 18:57:51 GMT

@Floydbayweather I agree with you homie!

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Water Ur Seeds — Mon, 25 May 2009 19:09:02 GMT

fighting dogs is wrong... but he didnt deserve that kinda time... hope he come back strong...

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smackabitch — Mon, 25 May 2009 19:55:05 GMT

I DONT CONDONE WHAT HE DID BUT WE ALL KNOW IF THAT WAS A
KKKRACKER HE WOULD HAD GOT A SLAP ON THE WRIST! YES IM BEING RACIST ON THIS ONE!!

re: Michael Vick, Hip-Hop, and the Politics of Punishment

Jay322 — Mon, 25 May 2009 20:00:01 GMT

The thing about all this is I dont honestly dont believe that Vick was fighting dogs. Yea I know it was his crib and what not but I honestly believe that Vick just reeped the benefits of the whole business. He gave them the house to basically do whatever they wanted to do. See the thing people dont understand is Vick was smart cause damn near everybody else who was involved in this case got the same time as Vick. Only because Vick is a pro athlete. See no matter what since he is an active member of the NFL they had no choice but to send him to jail. If he was a successful retired player I bet everything they would have just gave him a slap on the wrist but since he is more in the public eye they had no choice but to give him the least amout of time they could give him which was 18 months. With Vick payin all the money to the laweyers which means the prosecutors are getting paid which means the judge is gettin paid helps everybody else get off easy. You just Vick as the bait. It was all set up. He'll be back in the NFL after he meets wit Goodell he wont play in the CFL and he will return to Michael Vick again just in another jersey.

On another note I really cant compare the Vick situation and the Adam "Pacman" Jones situation. Reason being Pacman really has a pattern of doing dumb ignorant shit that warrents his punishment. Vick was clean up until this incident came about. Yea he lied to Roger at first but once the deal was on the table then he said fuck it Ill tell the truth. He did everything he was suppose to do. Pacman is a knucklehead who is jus goin to continue to do ignorant shit. I mean did anybody see his episode on Pros vs Joes? I think Goodell has been rather cool about this whole situation. I mean what do people expect him to do he his dealing wit a guy who a part of a dog fighting ring one way or another. So there is alot of politics that they have to deal with. Yea the NFL has money back the government runs these leagues. They showing you by what they doing with the MLB and now they want to fuck with College Football. I mean at the end of the day the media and politics control this control and when you are in the public eye and you work for a major American business and you are one of the names the promote and you fuck up you have to deal with the punishment.

re: Michael Vick, Hip-Hop, and the Politics of Punishment

poe — Mon, 25 May 2009 20:45:32 GMT

I hope u redeem yourself Vick. prove the haters WRONG!

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stevenyayo — Mon, 25 May 2009 21:01:31 GMT

I personally dont think he should have spent 19 months in jail and ruin his career and go into bankruptcy. I would have gave him 6months and 6months probation and a fine. Shit I know its animal cruelty but they always talk about Pitbulls are a danger to society but then when you fight them its wrong too? What are you suppose to do with them then!? He was jsut the guy the house belonged to and I guess they got money from but he wasnt the ones actually hands on doing it to my knowledge. Id say fuck PETA and I did my time and im gonna come back and prove yall wrong and win a championship. Do people get in trouble for roadkill? I see plenty of dogs on the road run over and dead but I bet the person who ran it over didnt get a ticket or go to jail.

@canipost?

They if you speak of all white people or the government do not like MMA. Its not sanctioned in all States and still is looked at as a barbaric human cockfight to some. Which it isnt its a pure sport with different techniques. Look at Hockey its a sport and they allow fighting. You got Boxing, Wrestling, Judo, and other martial arts in the Olympics but why cant MMA which is Mixed Martial Arts! Check out UFC 98 if you missed it. Rashad Evans(black Guy) who was the Champ and undefeated got his ass whooped by Lyoto Machida.

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sekouthegod — Mon, 25 May 2009 22:01:54 GMT

@Delicatebeats, you need a reality check. Your comment proves that "Society"(White) believes that a dogs life is more important than a black mans. This man served 19 months in jail for dog fighting. WTF? Vick, Hold your head King. You've paid you debt to society, now make them reimburse you. Peace to the Gods and Earths.

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re: Michael Vick, Hip-Hop, and the Politics of Punishment

james64 — Mon, 25 May 2009 23:02:28 GMT

@theillseed you said: "all he needs to focus on is getting on that field and doing his thing."

run nigga run, huh...

life is more important than a game, fam...

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tbirdandkoolaid — Mon, 25 May 2009 23:41:30 GMT

@209

I agree.

he took responsibility. he couldv'e easlily snitched on nfl players, people who came to his spot, people who betted. anything. i know the FEDS was like tell us this and that. and i bet if he did, he wouldv;'e got probation, suspended for like 3 games, etc.

he had every right to be a RAT, too. millions lost, his own people snichted on him. the sad part in all this is he's vilified for being a MAN. while RATS are still looked at as being MEN. this is truly a new world.

REMEMBER ray lewis. he had TWO bodies. he took the stand even though the alleged people beat the case. lewis got probaation and the nlf fined him.

Vick was worth an easy 150 million, and since almost everyone on here thinks you can buy the FEDS, makes me wonder why the fu*k he didn';t buy his case. well maybe becasue only currency the feds trade in is INFO

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canipost? — Mon, 25 May 2009 23:49:34 GMT

@stevenyayo

No I didn't see UFC 98...I prefer dog fighting...maybe next year it will be part of the Superbowl halftime show

we've been getting our asses kicked by White people since day one...that was my whole point... but thank you anyway for pointing out that another (Black Guy) got his ass whooped

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Illmatic T — Tue, 26 May 2009 00:12:14 GMT

MY QUATERBACK IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!! MIKE VICK WE LOVE YOU, KEEP YA HEAD UP.

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stevenyayo — Tue, 26 May 2009 00:26:21 GMT

@ canipost?

HAHA nah man I didnt mean it like that. I just stated he was black cuz it seems that people who dont watch or like MMA only care if it has to do with a black guy. I was rooting for Rashad but the Lyoto guy is just unstoppable. Also Lyoto is half Japanese Half Bazilian and looks like Ryu off of Street Fighter. But Rampage Jackson will fight him next so hoepfully he will knock his ass out cuz Rampage is my fav fighter. Mike Tyson was there and said if MMA was popular when he was younger he would have done it. So to all the people who say MMA sucks and Boxing is better alot of athletes dont agree.

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Canadiana101 — Tue, 26 May 2009 00:51:53 GMT

Alright....first of all, I don't know how everyone still resorts to racism. It doesn't matter that Michael Vick is black. He served his time. If Peyton had of been caught dogfighting, the media would have just as quickly ripped the shirt of his back too. Anyone that is in the spotlight as much as they are has a pretty damn good chance of getting caught if there running an illegal outfit in their basement. As for getting back into the NFL, it's a privelage to be a professional athlete. The fact that Mike had 150 million of whatever someone else said, would show me that he doesnt need to be making ne goddamn money off a dog fighting ring.
another note, dog fighting may look really bad to the general public, but the fact is a lot of people grow up in a commmunity where its a regular event, people cant help the way they are brought up.
So as for getting back into the NFL, he should apologise and take a pay cut. But hes a great f***in quarterback....better than peyton

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Ziplok — Tue, 26 May 2009 03:56:00 GMT

2009 OJ. when will it be over.???!!! yawn.

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PeoplePlease — Tue, 26 May 2009 05:01:06 GMT

Excuses, Excuses, Excuses, Black man commits a crime, Black people come up with all sorts of historical , astronomical, chemical, pop psychology reasons to justify their foolish behavior. You can't commit a crime as a Black man and have it be your fault.

These poisonous columnists will never acknowledge the role that Black men play in the destruction of the Black community through rape, assault, murder, theft, etc... They will conveniently ignore the Tiger Woods, Lebron James, and other Black athletes who manage to stay out of trouble. They ignore the fact that some minority youth prey on innocent people. Basically they ignore the fact that ni**ers exist and are a threat to the well being of African Americans and others... Excuses..

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EDOGZ818 — Tue, 26 May 2009 05:01:55 GMT

G.T.F.O.H. @P.E.T.A!

How many pitbulls did P.E.T.A. kill while Vick was in jail? If they were rich Blkmen, they would have a jail built ontop of them , but the are white, so they get $$$$$ for the same thing!

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keithyutica — Tue, 26 May 2009 05:02:57 GMT

Good topic 'D R Y' article! Wow ! Started off sprinting ended in a comma of info!

But anyway hers's some of the good ponts! Vick is a non-comformist(Remember:Jesus instructed his followers not to conform to this world)! He didnt fit in the good ol boy network especially in Ga! To sit and watch him be lynched and now burned shows the true mentality of some 'Owners'! Also 'Tear and feathering'...

You have people killing there wives(pregnant,honeymooning,atleast 3 or more),mothers killing there own children(lying and blaming over vick type people),Husbands coming home slaughtering thier entire family over being unemployeed!

And to see people come on TV condeming 'Vick' as the worst person in the world is totally insane to me! An animals life is not equal to an human life(Youtube slaughter house's(chickens&cattle in general) and see legal butchery of animals') ! But to many minority life especially a blackman(etc,tupc,Biggie,Sean Bell,and on and on) dont seem to get the same out cry and damnation! ??????

To Vick- learn from this experience u are potential hall a FAME QB if giving the chance without being under a microscope to feed media frenzy! Stay out of the public and get some fish my brother nobody cares what you do to them(rip thier guts out behead them alive who cares)! Or take up hunting kill innocent deer with a high powered riffle for sport nobody cares! The rules do not apply to all animals! SMILE!

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NEAUXLUV — Tue, 26 May 2009 09:10:43 GMT

YO ZIPLOC SHUT YO KKKRACKER ASS UP BITCH!

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GreasySurpreme — Tue, 26 May 2009 13:45:35 GMT

Well I love mike vick I think he got sent up on some trumped up charges and I also believe if he believes that GOD will let him play football again because he can win. Go mike. Much love to you and your family!!!!

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Outlaw76 — Tue, 26 May 2009 14:21:55 GMT

People forget about Danny Heatley, an Atlanta Thrasher Hockey player who killed hi OWN TEAMATE, driving recklessly in Buckhead. He wasn't drunk or anything, he was just driving 90 in a 35. He totalled his car and killed his teamate (A HUMAN BEING) and got no time whatsoever. He was admitted back in the league and on the same team with no problems at all. The community service he got he was allowed to complete in Canada. Vick is an animal for killing a dog and Danny Heatley gets a free pass for killing a man. Both these guys played professional sports in Atlanta. One was welcomed back with open arms and one is basically an outcast. If you don't think this is about the color of his skin then you are a dumb muthafukka point plank period. That's a shout out to you delicate beats

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Outlaw76 — Tue, 26 May 2009 14:24:23 GMT

@PeoplePlease

You are either white, an uncle tom, or just dumb as shit if u don't think this is about color

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IAMTHAT — Tue, 26 May 2009 15:18:42 GMT

Peta don't are haven't ( not to my knowledge) have ever came out when dogs violently attacked children. He was bankrolling it from my understanding. Yeah it was wrong ok I get it. But let's be real for a moment. Some of the whites in Virginia were on the sidelines with their rhetoric early on. Animals were sacrificed in the Old Testament and eaten throughout the age (Bible) and even now. "It is not what goes in a man's mouth that defiles him. It is what comes out of his mouth." Just another avenue for some of white america to say they hate niggas.

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TreDH — Tue, 26 May 2009 15:32:54 GMT

For the few people that forgot Mike Vick did tell on other people. It has been stated many articles published on his situation that he cooperated and that is fact. In the beginning that house was raided for drugs and when they got there is when all the dog fighting shit was found out. Mick Vick told on people and he has to live with that plain and simple.

Regardless whether Mike Vick told or not the way he has been dragged through the mud and made to be an example is unfair and wrong.

Race is envolved in how Mick Vick was treated. Its not that some black people condone other black people doing wrong. Its just that if you know a white person caught in the same situation would be treated differently you want that for the black person also. Fair is fair and wrong is wrong!!!!!!!!!!

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BLUNTBLAZER — Tue, 26 May 2009 15:46:47 GMT

JADA IS HELLA REAL IF PEYTON OR BRADY GOT CAUGHT UP IN DOG FIGHTING THEY WOULDA SWEPT IT UNDER THE RUG KINDA ALA WHA THEY DOIN TO T.I. THEY GOT VICK BECAUSE HE WAS THE RICHEST DUDE IN THE NFL -YEA VICK MADE MORE BREAD THAN ANYONE

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WHO SHOT NEMESIS? — Tue, 26 May 2009 16:29:30 GMT

I didn't even read past the first paragraph and I can already see where this is going.Vick is NOT a victim nor is his ridicule and punishment based on race.Even if it was based on race,Vick was a fool to incriminate himself to begin with.This man is a fool,but not more foolish than those who choose to defend him after he pleaded guilty.Those quotes used in the beginning are irrelevant because Vick was guilty and Peyton would not have fared better to the extremist of animal rights.We all know that ESPN has an agenda,but as I stated before,Vick brought all of this on himself.

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Outlaw76 — Tue, 26 May 2009 16:34:25 GMT

@WHO SHOT NEMESIS?

Tell me then, how did Danny Heatley get away with killing a human being then? Why didn't he get any jail time for vehicular homicide? Where were the protestors? What about the people that defended his actions calling him "young" and that it was a "mistake". He was doing 90 on Peachtree. I live in Atlanta and I know how busy that Street is. He is lucky only one peron died. Explain this to me. I would like to hear your reasoning

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WHO SHOT NEMESIS? — Tue, 26 May 2009 16:53:04 GMT

@ outlaw

I don't know the facts for the case on Danny Heatley so I can not give an opinion.Besides if there are no witnesses or he was no drunk then anything could have cause the accident.That is unrelated to Vick,whom of which not only pleaded guilty to the crime,but police found the dogs buried at his house.If Danny was guilty of a crime,then at least he was smart enough to cover it up unlike Michael.

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WHO SHOT NEMESIS? — Tue, 26 May 2009 16:59:45 GMT

The thing is though,I actually had Vick's back -despite me thinking that he was overrated and a RB at the QB position- until he pleaded guilty.I wanted to believe that this man was NOT dumb enough to get caught up in something illegal.Just like I wanted to believe that my lil' cousin was defending himself when he shot and killed someone only to find out the truth was that he committed murder.I know that there is still racial bias towards blacks when it comes to the this country,but not all are victims of it.I still believe that OJ is innocent (he was proven not guilty) and that whole case stuck of racism.

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Outlaw76 — Tue, 26 May 2009 17:04:14 GMT

@ WHO SHOT NEMESIS

First of all the only people that covered it up was the media. EVERYBODY here in Atlanta knew about that. He ADMITTED to driving recklessly. He ADMITTED that his actions killed his teamate. Do some research on it. HE DIDNT EVEN GET ANY JAILTIME. They are related because these are two sports figures in the same town who both commited crimes but were treated totally differently by the media as well as the white people here in Atlanta. They were easier to forgive and forget the murder of a human being but not the murder of a dog. Stop making excuses, it is what it is.

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Outlaw76 — Tue, 26 May 2009 17:09:52 GMT

and don't get me wrong I feel like anybody needs to pay fo a crime that they commited but please, Vick has to be like the first person in history to got to jail for dog fighting.

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ILuvAtlanta — Tue, 26 May 2009 17:27:35 GMT

I don't condone what Vick did at all. I'm a animal lover. I have a couple of dogs. One of which is a pit bull. I would never want to see my dog hurt.

With that said, I believe Vick should be allowed back in the league and be allowed to play. Why not? He served his time. Which was too much to begin with for a first time ever Federal conviction especially dogfighting. So they were making a point out of him from the beginning. He shouldn't have to "prove" anything to anybody.

LMAO @ How strategic that was for Delicate Beats to show up with that comment. LOL Good work using a "troll" AHH.

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Outlaw76 — Tue, 26 May 2009 17:38:04 GMT

And people talking about Peyton Manning being treated the same are crazy. Lets see, do any of you all remember years ago when a femail trainer at Tennessee came out and sued Peyton for sexual harrassment? He sat on her face or something like that. Anyway, they talked about it for a week and then we never heard it again. How long did they run that story about a fuckin water bottle that vick had at the airport. Exactly.

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ILuvAtlanta — Tue, 26 May 2009 17:50:15 GMT

And have we forgotten about Leonard Little. He was driving drunk and killed a lady. Not long after that while out on bond he was arrested again for DUI. He played for the St. Louis Rams, defensive end. That was human life and he was allowed to play again.

I believe people deserve another chance. If you got yourself into a situation you would want a second chance too right?

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vancitykilla09 — Tue, 26 May 2009 20:07:57 GMT

i hate michael vick i think he should have been treated like those dogs he is scum and should never play football agian he is a punk bitch fuck um !!

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bjc1221 — Tue, 26 May 2009 21:17:10 GMT

Many of the comments I have read sadly display the abundance of ignorance that encompasses allhiphop.com. For those who believe that Mike Vick got more time then Peyton Manning would had he committed the same asinine crime you are simply stupid. White people abide to the same laws as black people but it's sad that some of you underachiever's feel the need to constantly pull the race card! Get a life and make use of it stop blaming the white man for all of your misfortunes. As for the article I thought it was rather disappointing, Tolu makes some very bad points. First off, Vick was never unstoppable, he was a decent quarterback who revolutionized the game for a time being. He could scramble and make some plays that we've never seen before and that's why I loved to watch him BUT his style would never win a Superbowl. Let's face the truth, he couldn't pass consistently and you don't see scramblers like Vick anymore. McNabb used to scramble a lot but realized he'd never win thinking run first all the time. Now you see McNabb (who can pass with the best) in Superbowl after Superbowl. Also the last point I'd like to make is for those who think because he did his time he should be given his pass right back into the NFL. I completely disagree, imagine if you were charged with the same crimes as Vick, it would ruin your life. We would never get a decent paying job, probably be right around minimum wage the rest of our lives. The very least Vick should do is "kiss some ass", in fact he should give a public apology, maybe do some commercials warning idiots like Mr.100STACKS about the dangers of dog fighting. The bottom line is Vick is a monster and killed dogs, 19 months will never replace those tortured dogs lives and for those who condone his actions I think are monsters as well. Stop pulling the race card, a.k.a an excuse and live your life to it's fullest potential.

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youngwon — Tue, 26 May 2009 21:31:02 GMT

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vancitykilla09 — Tue, 26 May 2009 22:03:32 GMT

how do you have someone in your prayers thats evil and a scumbag!!!! thats fucked up man your a goof youngwon!!!

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Outlaw76 — Tue, 26 May 2009 22:20:07 GMT

@bjc1221

Your whole argument is off on so many levels its ridiculous but I'm just gonna stick to a few points. First off, I'm not trying to disrespect or offend you in any way. Everybody doesnt view the world the same way and the blinders you wear may be because of the background you have. Also, as far as being an underachiever, I own 2 houses, drive a pretty nice car and have two degrees from Tuskegee University so I may not be an over achiever, but I've done alright for myself. I don't think anyone disputes the fact that what Vick did was wrong and he got what he deserved, what we are saying is be fair. I posted a comment above about Danny Heatley (see above) who killed his teamate and got no time. Do you actually think that if that was Vick, he would have gotten off? Peyton Manning and the whole Tennessee mess (also see above), that just disappeared. Shit Pacman Jones gets pulled over for a busted tail light and it makes news. I'm not gonna even try to explain to you because I have things to do and this would take all night but you are a fucking fool if you don't think there is a difference in the way blacks and whites are treated in general (also my latino brothas). We can take it to broadcasting, Marv Albert and Tim Hardaway. Do the research and open your eyes.

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Outlaw76 — Tue, 26 May 2009 22:22:17 GMT

@vancitykilla09

Dude, STFU. He served his time. Who the fuck are you to throw stones?? I'm sure your dumbass has done something. What about that beef and chicken you eat, do you feel sorry for those animals or just dogs. Man just shut the hell up.

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bjc1221 — Tue, 26 May 2009 22:46:39 GMT

Outlaw76, I was not intending to generalize everybody on this site as underachievers rather implying that those who pull the race card are looking for an excuse for their misfortunes. Now I must say you bring up a good point with Danny Heatley but do you truly believe he got no time because he is white?!? My main beef here is the ignorance that is displayed in some of the comments where in fact people are condoning his actions which is sickening. Saying it happens in the hood everyday. Does that make it right? Absolutely not and for somebody to speak of dog fighting in that sense like its not a big deal in a comment about an article of Mike Vick is just stupid. I am white and I don't see it from and african americans angle but I do not believe that black people are treated anymore unfairly then white people are. We cannot use Danny Heatley or Mike Vick to generalize and say this is how things work in our society. I'm sure there are many details about the Heatley incident that you and I don't know about which led to him not being put in prison. Also Dante Stallworth looks like he's going to avoid manslaughter charges, is it because the man he killed was hispanic? Give me a break

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NEAUXLUV — Tue, 26 May 2009 22:57:29 GMT

WHITE PEOPLE OF THIS BOARD WERE NOT SAYING WHAT HE DID
WAS'NT WRONG! WHAT WERE SAYING IS IF THAT WAS TOM BRADY OR PEYTON MANNING IT WOULD'NT BEEN A BIG DEAL! KEEP YOUR HEAD UP VICK!!

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bjc1221 — Tue, 26 May 2009 23:14:10 GMT

@NEAUXLUV
Why is that? Because they're white? Show me where in the US Constitution it says black people are to receive a more harsh penalty then white people for the same crime.

I hate to tell you how I really feel and I don't intend to offend anybody but if Tom Brady or Peyton Manning were convicted of the same crime I believe it would have been a much bigger deal because we tend to see blacks commit more crimes in professional sports. We tend to blow out of proportion the outliers in society.

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NEAUXLUV — Tue, 26 May 2009 23:23:59 GMT

@BJC
SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIT JUST CHECK YOUR LOCAL STATE OR FEDERAL PEN!!

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bjc1221 — Tue, 26 May 2009 23:46:00 GMT

@NEAUXLUV
Okay I just did, it's showing me that there is more black people incarcerated then white people. Pretty cut and dry if you ask me, black people for whatever reason commits more crimes then whites. Do something about it, stop committing crimes! It isn't the white man's fault

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HELLUPINPHILLY — Tue, 26 May 2009 23:48:39 GMT

It's plain & simple that he was convicted of a crime, hit with a sentence
He don't owe nobody shit but his family 4 not being with them for 19 months.fuck animal rights, fuck goodell , & fuck whoever else feel he should go beyond what he been punished for.

None of theses crackers from Yale or harvard & people like madeoff gotta get on
T V & apologize for the crimes they do.

When Vick was 1st exposed about this dog fighten shit the media was quick 2 destroy & say fuck his life/Career. But 19months later they ready 2 build him back up.&

@ Sweet & delicate beats : you sound real dumb.the only thing vick should've did was put you in the middle of the floor with some of them pits for 30 seconds.

@ The board : Anybody no what the deal with vick cousin? The 1 who snitched on him in the 1st place to get him jammed up.

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HELLUPINPHILLY — Tue, 26 May 2009 23:48:41 GMT

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HELLUPINPHILLY — Tue, 26 May 2009 23:50:17 GMT

O Yeah : shout out 2 Tolu for this article

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NEAUXLUV — Tue, 26 May 2009 23:58:42 GMT

YEAH AND WHITES GOT THE DA,JUDGE& JURY ON THEY SIDE!!

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HELLUPINPHILLY — Tue, 26 May 2009 23:59:35 GMT

I See some people on here argue'n with some white people on the board. My advice is don't feed into the shit.cause as long as I can remember, the white people always want what the blacks have 2 a certain degree...Shit!! they even get on AHH 2 Talk about our art form.

I'M JUST SAYING;-/

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bjc1221 — Wed, 27 May 2009 00:20:08 GMT

@HELLUPINPHILLY
Whites always want what blacks have? You my friend are ignorant, did they teach history where you're from?

I'M JUST SAYING

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Outlaw76 — Wed, 27 May 2009 00:22:54 GMT

@bjc1221

Ok you're white. That explains everything. I can give you links to defense lawyers who worked for the DA that will tell you that more police are put into minority neighborhoods and encouraged to pull people over just to see what they can get on them. Man you shouldn't even comment on this because no matter what, you can neva, eva, eva understand what blacks go through on a daily basis. Have you ever been followed by the cops for blocks for no reason? Have you ever been followed in a high end department store by an undercover? Luckily I know my rights so I don't fall for what alot of people fall for. I'm not going to insult you because I believe you truly don't know, but don't insult me by saying that this stuff doesn't happen. Also I gave you more examples than just the Danny Heatley situation.

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bjc1221 — Wed, 27 May 2009 00:38:00 GMT

@Outlaw76
Alright you're right I don't know what they go through on a daily basis. But you cannot assume none of this has never happened to me because some of it actually has. Recently I was in a local department store only to be stopped in the store by 2 cops who were called because I looked "suspicious". Now this has only happened once but my point is don't assume it won't happen to me because I happen to be white. And I believe cops should be placed in minority areas if there is more crime, which in most cases there is. But as I write this I admit there could be more crime simply because there is more cops to stop the crime. Its a touchy subject and I hope I haven't offended anybody. I just get frustrated reading many of these comments calling white people crackas because we have different opinions on this subject but let me start dropping the "N" word and I'd probably get removed from the site. What's up with that??

Also the Peyton Manning example you gave me was weak! He sat on a girl's face? Who gives a shit, what are they supposed to blow it up like they did Vick's situation? How about Leonard Little's situation??

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Bear-8 — Wed, 27 May 2009 00:40:01 GMT

@ bjc
--U just don't get it. More white folks commit crimes in america because their are more of them in america. If you check your local jail or pen and there are alot of black folks it's because we are disproportionately policed and jailed by this country. The constitution doesn't differentiate between the color of a person up for commiting a crime, but the judge and jury sure do. Check your facts homie, I am to be judged by a jury of my peers and last time I checked a jury of my peers doesn't consist of a bunch white folks 12 to be exact. Rarely does a black man get a jury of 12 black people. And why is that???? This country has been designed to keep the minority and in our case black person down since the begining. Black people only received the right to vote 40 some years ago. Check with your parents and grandparents, this stuff is new to america and institutionalized rascim doesn't go away in one lifetime. The younger era of people that don't believe racism exists it kidding itself and will be made to repeat the mistakes of their forefathers if they are not careful.
But we would never let that happen in this day and age. HUH?????????? just something to think about.

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Outlaw76 — Wed, 27 May 2009 00:54:00 GMT

bjc1221 said
Also the Peyton Manning example you gave me was weak! He sat on a girl's face? Who gives a shit, what are they supposed to blow it up like they did Vick's situation? How about Leonard Little's situation??
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Are you serious?? Who gives a shit?? Apparently she did since she pressed charges. That's called sexual assault buddy. Also, do you think it would have been a big deal if it had been TO? Or Pacman Jones?? That's my point. Not that it is the equivalent of Vicks crime but that the media chose to ignore it because it was Peyton Manning. Shit they put Kobes business out there for the world to see but who gives a shit right? Dude, you really cannot argue this subject. You see the world a totally different way. Do you think its a coincidence that most blacks say "fuck the police" and dont trust them? No it's not. We say that because we have witnessed things you couldnt even imagine at the hands of the police. You cannot argue this topic. And don't get me wrong, the police fuck with some whites too, I have seen it, so I'm sure it can happen. But it happens to us on a much larger scale. You cannot argue this topic man. I feel like you're a decent dude but you will never understand.

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Outlaw76 — Wed, 27 May 2009 00:55:53 GMT

@ Bear-8

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@ outlaw 76
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Matt Jeezy — Wed, 27 May 2009 03:52:09 GMT

HE DIDNT GO TO JAIL FOR FIGHTING DOGGS.... HE DIDNT SNITCH ON HIS CUZZIN

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JMiGGs74 — Wed, 27 May 2009 09:27:17 GMT

Personally. YES it is wrong for Vick to be dog-fighting for pleasure. Its a sign of ignorance, selfishness and GREED on his behalf, to be a professional football player and a role-model for the younger generation and want to settle for dog-fighting. But on the other-side they aren't slamming people for cock-fighting either! I agree that he should have a stiff penalty, because of his status. And a lot of athletes and entertainers are getting off because of their position in society and how much money they have. Its sad that Micheal Vick had to be made an example of. However, he has paid his debt to society and he should be forgiven, as God forgives us. That is done and over with, let the man live his life.

*MiGGs*

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santoblancoboss — Wed, 27 May 2009 09:52:08 GMT

I dont know about other past cases, but if he has done what he has done (and I think he has done something) there are no excuses, he paid his dept and should apologize, just to show the youth following not to do certain things.

He's in the position to educate and set a positive example for the kids.. instead he f***** up but he can still set things straight...

And man fuck these Dogfights! thats some uncivilized shit!

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Divine12th — Wed, 27 May 2009 11:13:43 GMT

@bjc1221

Thats a bunch of bullshit! They came down on Vick HARD...even with the plea deal. If you or anyone else don't believe they played the "race-card" here, needs a serious reality check! I'm far from a racist, but walk in my shoes for a good year for "that" reality check.

Sad to say, but it seems racism will always exists...

Divine, PEACE!

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keithyutica — Thu, 28 May 2009 21:02:37 GMT

@Outlaw76

Thanx 4 speaking up! I feel most of wut your saying!

Media bias is 'REAL'! Racial profiling is 'REAL'! It is totally 'IGNORANT' to ignore these realities and act like everything is 'fair&balanced' in America!

With Vick achieving the most important position in football he became a target! He had to be 'Tared and feathered' to discourage black youths(braids&du-rags) types from seeking to dominate that postition of QB black youth should only be 'cattle type' looked at as animals or beast of burden 'Run kunta! Run kunta'!

To be a great QB you must have the ability to sense danger and not be constricted to a pocket and just stand and shoot! Youtube 'Fran tarkatan???'.... Vick is that dude in that aspect!

To all these 'fake animal lovers' you only love 'DOGS' not animals and most 'DOG' lovers have developed an human bond with there animals! I respect LIFE all LIFE not just dogs(I'm not biased like that)! I dont wanna have peanut butter sex with my dog!!! lololol!
Or even tongue kiss my dog after I have watched him lick him self clean! lolololololol

That goes back into history of the 'CAVEMAN and his bestfriend' rent 'Quest for fire' it goes into the 'Secret history'!!!

Dogs are totally loyal to their owners and that is the best trait they have and wut I admire most about them! Rent the dvd 'Off the chain' it goes into the cruelity of the so-called sport dog fighting! I would never own a pitbull myself and most(not all) minorities are abusing these dogs like some type of 'animal action figure/pro-wrestler'(smile)!

Much respect 4 VICK! A role model to the under privledged of society! He did his time like a man not a 'weak lil snitch crying at the police station scared to go to jail'! He stands and holds his head despite all the media and right wing hatered! Get back in the GAME now and become the Hall of fame QB that your were born to be! He's potentially in the ranks of a Jim brown or Muhammad Ali if he gets his act together!

'Can't we all just get along' (smile)

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steflitosway — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 04:17:27 GMT

While I personally support Mike Vick's bid to get back into the league and do believe the media & animal right groups have gone overboard in making an example of this guy, I believe this article is a bit biased (see fox news for definition of biased).
First off, Mike Vick did not allegedly take part in anything, he DID take part in fighting and killing dogs; and has admitted to doing so under oath. So debating his guilt seems pointless.
Another thing I take issue with is the Black QB issue. After reading McNabb's statements about blacks being underrepresented in the NFL I decided to do some research; my findings did not surprise me. In 2007 the US Census bureau classified 12.8% of the population as being black, meanwhile in the NFL 8 of the 32 (or 25%) starting QB's were black. According to this blacks are in fact overrepresented in the NFL by nearly double.
Tying all of this together, I don't believe that it is racism that may keep Vick out of the league (although I do concede that some of the pundits are likely racists), but the simple fact that Mike Vick just isn't that good of a QB coupled with the fact that he is a convicted felon. Although maybe not as exciting to watch, Matt Ryan, in his first year was statistically speaking a better QB in almost every measure (total yards, comp. percentage, and passer rating). His win/loss record was pretty good too. (feel free to verify my claims at NFL.com)
With all that said I would love to see Vick back in the league just not as the starting QB on my team.

I welcome your comments/criticisms at Sxsimovic@gmail.com

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vancitykilla09 — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:00:17 GMT

fuck michael vick he a sad loser better not come my way or will never see him play agian!!!!!!!!!

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reign99 — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:03:00 GMT

@ Bear 8:

OK, so the new rule is black people have all black juries, white people all white, hispanic...you get the picture. That's the way you want things run? Juries are chosen from people in the same county, or state, depending on what you are called for. So yes, if you kill someone you may end up with a disproportionate number of some other race on the jury. Excuse me if I don't feel bad for you.

You really truly believe that just as many burglaries, for example, occur in middle class "white" neighborhoods than poorer "black" neighborhoods"? Give me a break. And I put the words in quotes because a neighborhood isn't anything but what the people living in it make it. So sick of this garbage. I'm all for fairness but this is just whiny cry baby shit.

For God sakes man you're defending a sadistic selfish piece of garbage. Don't you see that? This has nothing to do with racism, and if you think Peyton Manning would have been treated differently you're a freaking idiot. I'd be just as disgusted with him. The thing is, HE WOULDN'T DO IT. Why the hell can't you stop living in a world of "what if's" and live in a world of "what is"? The fact is you should be just as disgusted by Michael Vick as the majority of the public. The fact you are making excuses for his scumbag behavior is more divisive than any skin color could ever be. If you think for one second I will ever accept that type of behavior from anyone who lives around me, white or otherwise, you're out of your freaking mind.

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reign99 — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:17:46 GMT

@ keithyutica:

Dude...please go back to pan handling on the street.

Your beliefs would scare me, if you weren't a complete idiot with no means of effecting them in a productive way. There is so much ignorance piled into your one post I almost feel as if it should win some award. Maybe I'll make you one.

Yes, all of this happened to Michael Vick because he achieved the vaunted "QB status". You're right, every little white boy in America was so put off by the fact that another black QB was succeeding. As a full grown white male I must say I felt the pain. It's just so damn threatening to me, ya know? I mean, my football hero, Randall Cunningham, he was OK...but Vick? That's just one to many black QB's.

Luckily the whites colluded with the mainstream media to come up with this brilliant dog fighting scheme, and take Vick down. I mean, who would believe that Vick wasn't fighting dogs? It's such a ghetto stereotype, everyone would just assume it was true. The fact that it actually was true, well that was just bonus!

So here we sit, gearing up for more assaults on Vick because of his skin color. He's just so SCARY! We have to do SOMETHING about it. I mean, if he was a guy who didn't involve himself in wannabe gangsta behavior I would obviously feel the same about him. It has nothing to do with what he does, just the fact that his skin color is different than me. Skin color is a very important deciding factor in my life.

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reign99 — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:56:18 GMT

@Outlaw76:

"Man you shouldn't even comment on this because no matter what, you can neva, eva, eva understand what blacks go through on a daily basis."

Man, STFU. You want to write up some rules on what we are allowed to comment on please? When, exactly, are we allowed to stand up and say we won't put up with a certain type of behavior because it's something we don't want in our lives?

Can't comment because we're white. Yeah, good luck with that. You're going to have to come up with some better ways of getting your point across then racial silencing, because I for one and real sick of it as a point or argument. Where can I go from there once you bring that up? Do I just have to concede from that point forward, regardless of facts and figures, because I'm white and you're black?

What a joke. Talk to someone who gives a shit. You better bring more than the race card to our debate.

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re: Michael Vick, Hip-Hop, and the Politics of Punishment

re: Michael Vick, Hip-Hop, and the Politics of Punishment

re: Michael Vick, Hip-Hop, and the Politics of Punishment

re: Michael Vick, Hip-Hop, and the Politics of Punishment

re: Michael Vick, Hip-Hop, and the Politics of Punishment

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