Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

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blackrome — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:39:57 GMT

Hip hop isn't dead. Well it's dead if your looking for it on your radio.
It's still alive on the underground. You just have to search for good hip hop. Stat Quo has been releasing classic material almost monthly.

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Breed500 — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:41:25 GMT

Co sign...i just don´t think SB needs the attention right now...lick your wounds young man..come up with a new game plan..your `fans`are growing up fast and a novel dance and using your age as an common thread will not do for the 09 homeslice..grow up or get behind a desk...

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Tommy K. — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:44:55 GMT

What the hell ever...

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Huey vs Riley — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:45:08 GMT

"until Soulja Boy is actually welcome in the Hip-Hop Nation, which will probably be the 1st of never, he really is in no position to mock the brethren."

Fuck that shit. All the hate for soulja boy is extremely gay.

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Ms_JoiBella — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:48:29 GMT

wow...nas did what he wanted. he made everybody take a look at hip-hop and think about where its going and how its gonna get there. there is a method to the madness. nas made everbody step there game up by those four words. like he said 10yrs in the game then maybe we can have a conversation...or something to the effect. sb didn't kill hiphop but he didn't help it much.

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DJ TEKNISION — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:54:31 GMT

IS SOULJA BOY A REAL EMCEE?????

THINK ABOUT IT FOR A MOMENT......

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kingbaba1 — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:55:39 GMT

Like Curtis Blow said back in the days, "These are the breaks!" There are so many who would do anything to have the opportunity to get where Soulja Boy is at right now. Even Nas has a couple of flops under his belt. Nastradamus ring a bell? To appreciate success, one has to fail. Even 50 has a flop under his belt. "Curtisssssssss"!!!! Jay-Z "Kingdom Come." Your homies V.I.C. was done before his album even came out. Bizarre from D-12 had an album that his own momma didn't even buy. Drag-On had "opposite of H2O," which sat on the shelf like doo doo on the corner. Last but not least, Ja Rule came out with "Blood on my eye," and that was was a 15 dollar frisby. I made a CD last year, and most thought it was trash. I just had to go back to the drawing board.

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OnDeckMeno — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:57:15 GMT

Hip hop ain't never going to die. Yeah right, so far it don't look like it but I like soulja boy, he's living proof of pure hate by old people of the younger generation. It's so sad, he's doing his thang his way and people felt him and he's hated on like this. Hey he's young with a lot of growing to do. I like that he still have the courage to fight for a art that ain't worth fighting for anymore. Keep it up soulja boy. there's enuff room for you too on the pop tart charts.

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kingbaba1 — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:12:51 GMT

I know people don't want to admit it, but hip-hop ain't the same anymore. We the people lost control of it. Like disco, the genre is dying. Unless we the people go back to the underground and search for the new king there, not what these media giants force feed us. We are like sheep, being told what is good and what's not. I like different things. Like Common's Universal Mind Control, but the regular head would look at that type of music as weird or crazy, because it don't have that snap, crackle and pop crap. When N.E.R.D. came out with the first album, I was bumping that everyday!!!!!! People have a narrow thinking pattern nowadays. Before Kanye lost his damn mind, I loved his unique style. We've been force fed crap for so long, that we think it's good for us. It's like Uncle Rucker on the Boondocks that think slavery was good for Blacks. Think about this for a second, if Public Enemy were to come out today with their style, would anyone even give them a chance?

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animal_mother — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:17:33 GMT

@ OnDeckMeno... You are right in the sense of hip hop never dying...
However as far as your "he's proof of pure hate by old people of the younger generation" is fucking retarded. Soljaboy is wack as fuck, silly ringtone rapper... Maybe if the people who knew anything about real hip hop, as in the four elements were saying hip hop was dead then this would be an issue, but frankly yes Rap (one of the four elements) is dying. Please name someone that is under 25 that is really lyrical right now?

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icewood44 — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:18:22 GMT

SB made his loot but he is trash. He has to be one of the worst MC's of all time(Is he a MC???). Hope he saved his loot and go get a education.

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Brainstorm Records — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:19:31 GMT

LONG LIVE HIP HOP!!!!

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EA Da Gucci Wizard — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:20:52 GMT

it shows you the maturity level of people hating on a young kid that does music for the people in the clubs to dance to i never brought a soulja boy cd cause my taste in music is different

but to see people fucking slander a young kid for Voicing his opnion of how he feels shows the level of stupidity that you muthafuckers is on that like a grown man slapping the shit out of a kid that fighting his nephew or son

Yall need to grow up real talk and to be quite honest i been going to hip hop shows for years and i will tell you some of the most lamest muthafuckers is real hip hop fans

The type of Underground fans that would say jedi mind tricks Is the greatest of all time and slander a nigga like jay-z Or 50 cent they a bunch of fucking geeks

i do real music for real people cause i don't want them people as fans im sorry them Niggas is fucking corny a bunch of geeks hating on a lil kid on the computer fucking lame ass niggas

At the End of the day what is the satisfaction yall get out of it??? Not a Damn Thing and everybody is entitled to there opnion of how they feel so again what is yall really saying?

NOTHING

Leave that little nigga alone

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SuperGangster — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:27:48 GMT

Hip Hop IS dead...

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thaman1010 — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:33:04 GMT

Stat quo is hot garbage just like soulja boy and this editorial. Hip hop was better when numbers and sound scan didn't affect the kind of music being put out. Can we go back to the early 90's? Standards in music are so low right now.

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Hoodgrown — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:49:10 GMT

@animal_mother,
"Please name someone that is under 25 that is really lyrical right now?"

You have a point.... and I bet you a lot of these younger niggas is going to completely ignore this question because of that...

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TeflonDonKCK — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:55:27 GMT

KingBaba

dog get outta here, what's you're definition of Hip Hop "Dying"
there are plenty of albums that are topping charts "Paper Trail" "Heartbreaks" and there is plenty of lyrical albums lighting up the internet "Niggertape" "Halfway House" "Johnson & Johnson"....

so wtf do ya'll mean?
when did super lyrical shit ever rule the billboards?

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DJ TEKNISION — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:56:36 GMT

THE QUALITY OF HIP HOP IS DYING!! WE NOW HAVE MORE RAPPERS THAN FANS. EVERYONE'S A RAPPER NOW A DAYZ. THEY GET THEMSELVES A LIITLE CPU PUT REASONS ON IT USE ALL THE PRE SET SOUNDS AND BAM!!!!! I AM NOW A HOT RAPPER.( OH YEAH I ALMOST FORGOT THE YES MAN THAT SAYS ALL YOUR WACK SHIT IS DOPE)!!! I ALMOST MISS THE REAL A&R JOBS THAT ACTUALLY WEED OUT ALL THIS WACK MATERIAL.. I KNOW ALL YALL SEE TONS OF MYSPACE PAGES OF SOME OF THESE GARBAGE RAPPERS. EVERYONE RAPS, EVERYONE DO BEATS. MUSIC IS THE NEW DOPE GAME AND JUST LIKE THE DOPE GAME EVERYONE PRODUCT AIN'T THE SH*T.

REAL HIP HOP IS OUT THERE PLEASE SEARCH FOR IT!!!

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mu$h da great — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:02:33 GMT

a lot of mufuckers don't like soulja boy for whatever reason, but does that discredit what he's saying?
dude didn't say shit bout his album sales nor did he discredit nas as a emcee.

the majority of mainstream america that buy ..... buy...... rap albums are followers, not free thinkers. & will show allegiance to any trend or hang on to any slogan that there favorite artist creates or says.case & point look @ how many mufuckers jay-z had wearing blazers & jeans simply because he promoted it by wearing it.......niggas that didn't even dress nothing like that talking bout they "getting there grown man on".... look @ how many confused mufuckers is runnin round here wearing skinny jeans cause they seen some mufuckers on tv doin it. I could go on.....

you say soulja boy is not hip hop or say he's wack but the nigga put his thoughts out there just like nas did.truth be told with an oppinion based statement like I said a few days ago on the new years rumors ....some times it depends on who is delivering the message for people to get behind it or embrace it.

killer mike said hip hop was dead on "monster"way before nas came out with hhid ..... not to take anything away from killa kill cause monster was my shit but @ the time he probably wasn't carrying the same type of fanbase nas was carrying when he put out hip hop is dead.... I listen to both of them faithfully but I don't believe in that notion.you could say mainstream hip hop is not what it should be right now ....... but when was it ever honestly? about 90 percent of the cats I like don't get airplay, they don't have no videos on mtv playing constantly....
they don't go triple platinum when they release albums.....in light of that I still respect there work because I am a listerner....i would love for them to be embraced on that level but if they aren't fuck it they still put out a album or albums that I bought & enjoyed.

when the right person comes out & says hip hop isn't dead then maybe people will listen .....

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mu$h da great — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:02:58 GMT

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Hoodgrown — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:09:34 GMT

"when did super lyrical shit ever rule the billboards?"

I personally don't think shit has to be that "super lyrical outerspace shit"

But at least if you're going to RAP, have some type of way with words. SHit is too dumb down now.

And no niggas can't blame it on the south cause the south have given us the likes of Scarface, Mr. Mike, 8Ball & MGJ, Young Buck, Outkast, Goodie Mob, Ludacris, T.I., UGK and a bunch of other niggas who I know i'm forgetting who truly have skill...

i think it's more of a youth thing. NIggas just seem happy with shit that ain't saying nothing...

down the line... what album is gonna get more play in the ride.. that old Outkast album or that old Ace Hood joint....

A good rapper is like the movie Scarface.. you never get tired of seeing it...

The average rapper nowadays is more like Belly 2... entertaining when you first watch.. but not enough substance to it to make you watch it again....

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chocolaterain — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:10:38 GMT

I think when people did away with the concept of the "wack MC" that really did a disservice to hiphop. the wack MC concept was an internal regulation that kept the quality at a high level, now any old rapper that has one club hit is considered a respectable and legit hiphop artist.

People lost the love for the art and now accept any old bullsh*t.

Its a wonder Soulja boy has lasted this long. Hopefully his sales r a sign that hiphop is coming back to its senses.

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Marky Breeze — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:11:13 GMT

Man... there is so much hate on the young lad.. and I personally will go on record... no disrespect... but this editorial is bullshit... thanks for throwing lil man under the bus!

If anyone has seen the video... his point was that... Nas saying Hip Hop is Dead was the starting point of the whole movement. Simply stating Nas spoke it into existence... while Nas clarified himself saying the hip hop he knew was dead... as soon as the notion hip hop being dead came from one of the greats, every site, magazine, old school rapper and all embraced and started pointing fingers at the new generation. Nobody threw the Boogie Boys, Biz Markie "picking boogers", the wack ass Pee Wee Herman dance under the bus... they got P's for being creative and having fun in hip hop... why cant we give these young boys the same respect???

In my opinion... and argue this if you will... SB is probably the truest form of hip hop today!!!! He's a young boy who went from nothing to something and he rejoices the fact that he has made it and thats wht his music embodies! He's talking about what he does, at least he's not a fictional cocaine rapper like most! I mean all these guys doing records and aren't living what they say... hell even Hov is talking about being a D-boy and we know he aint slanging shit!

Give the kid his P's... put that effort of hate into something positive, offer hip hop awareness classes, educate the young, instead of writing articles to bash these young boys for being successful...

Dispute if you will... we can do this... and remember I'm not a lil rap dude... I AM HIP HOP!!!!!!!

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IRONMAN81 — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:13:18 GMT

People lets just ignore Soulja Boy he just sold a little bit over 40,000 copies of his last album. He wants the attention so that it may put the spotlight on his album which underperformed. I compare what Soulja Boy did to 50 Cent starting beefs with a different artist every time his album comes out. When people started to ignore 50 and his attempts at beefs his sales started to fall.

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mu$h da great — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:15:28 GMT

hopefully mufuckers review the situation & come to there own conclusions.

niggas say record sells....be fareal fareal cause you sell records does that really justify you being a qaulity artist or just popular? cause the radio plays the same fucking songs every 20 fucking mins does that make the songs live ? don't be fooled by the fuckery.

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Hoodgrown — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:16:42 GMT

@mu$h da great,

What up Fam!!! Now i'm not a Soulja Boy fan... my daughter loves him.. that her. I don't want to see the little dude fail or get robbed or any of that dumb shit. I personally, want something with more substance so I wouldn't buy his shit.

In a perfect world (or the way it used to be)... Lil Wayne, Soulja Boy and Little Brother, Talib Kweli could all do huge numbers.. with the fanbases overlapping. Nowadays, the average fan is just stuck in one mode. As you stated "no freethinkers" just followers.

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Hoodgrown — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:20:42 GMT

"Nobody threw the Boogie Boys, Biz Markie "picking boogers", the wack ass Pee Wee Herman dance under the bus... they got P's for being creative and having fun in hip hop... why cant we give these young boys the same respect??? "

Cause shit was done in clever ways....

and niggas always want to talk about REALITY... "Picking Boogers is Real shit".... lmao....

Niggas act like reality is only selling drugs, getting cash and fucking hoes....

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therealist209 — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:25:28 GMT

CHECK ME OUT ON THIS PEOPLES. RAP AND HIP HOP IS NOT THE SAMETHING
Soulja Boy is a young cat so he gets a pass for some of the dumb s**t he says. He needs to educate hisself more it's obvious. Hip hop on certain levels is dead. Rap is alive. I'm from the west coast born and raised. But lets be real we killed hip hop and made it rap. We brought the guns and gang signs and the dis-respect of women in the game. The drug tales and the pimpin to the game. The east coast had rappers that rapped the streets like Kool G rap and some other cats back in the day but they still laced it in a lyrical fashion. The west put melodic beats and simple flows so it reached the masses. You can see the west coast influence in every region of new generaion rappers. Nas was right hip hop is dead to the masses. Its in peoples hearts and its a way of life so it will never die out completely. But Rap has taken over and is here to stay. For the most part rap is ignorant and money driven. It has no consciousness and if it does it is not pushed. You see in our culture (black america) we celebrate ignorance

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Hoodgrown — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:31:12 GMT

"The west put melodic beats and simple flows so it reached the masses."

I don't know if I agree with this line. A lot of the west coast niggas brought skills to the plate as well man and they were just as diverse as the east. From gangsta shit to the Hiero's....

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mu$h da great — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:31:32 GMT

@hoodgrown - waz up wit it? lol I totally feel you, alotta that shit isn't for me either...but I've accepted that...some of the cats costantly go @ dude haven't.its completely okay for people not to like his music but I just feel like he's being scapegoated solely on the fact that he's popular....

@marky breeze - I feel like you feel.atleast he's not lying bout how many niggas he killed or bricks he flipped....... or he was before he started rapping.

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mu$h da great — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:37:35 GMT

somebody who shares nasir's oppinion........ why is hip hop dead?

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Hoodgrown — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:38:53 GMT

"some of the cats costantly go @ dude haven't.its completely okay for people not to like his music but I just feel like he's being scapegoated solely on the fact that he's popular...."

Well you know there's alway been a ton of crabs in the barrel when it comes to hip hop. Lmao...

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therealist209 — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:40:45 GMT

@ Hoodgrown

Of course many west artist brought ryhmes but is you llok at the ones who had the most impact and fame they didn't.

With exception of Cube who really showed his skills on his first solo when he wrote for NWA THEY WERE SIMPLE RYHMES

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mu$h da great — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:55:47 GMT

lmao...... off topic as fuck .....i love dogs, but why is it a picture of 1 of the pits from mike vicks property on the cover of sports illustrateds december issue?

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Hoodgrown — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:57:01 GMT

@therealist209

you have a point... they were simple but he had presence and delivery... not "swag".....

lmao... "swag".. these niggas kill me....

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loch121 — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:03:11 GMT

OLDER DUDES DON'T HATE SB FOR BEING YOUNG.THEY DON'T FUCK WITH HIM CUZ HE'S WACK AS FUCK.BACK IN THE DAY ALL THE RAPPERS WERE YOUNG.LL COOL J WAS SB AGE WHEN HE DROPPED BUT,WAS DOPE AND HAD LYRICS.THIS NIGGA IS A ONE HIT WONDER WHO'S TRYING TO DO ANYTHING TO SALE THIS WACK ASS ALBUM.WHAT HAS SB DONE FOR HIP HOP?IT'S NOT HATE IT'S THE TRUTH AND AFTER THIS ALBUM HE'LL BE A WRAP.I COULD MAKE A LOOOOONG LIST OF NIGGAS WHO WERE HOT 2 YEARS AGO THAT YOU DON'T EVEN REMEMBER NOW.

WHAT NAS WAS SAYING WAS HIP HOP IS DEAD IN THE SINCE OF BEING HOMEGROWN AND CONTROLLED BY US INSTEAD OF THE COMPANIES TELLING US WHAT TO DO AND EVERYBODY HAVING THEIR HAND OUT WITH NO LOVE FOR THE ART OF HIP HOP.IT'S WACK WHEN SOMEBODY LIKE SB IS A TOP SELLER WITH NO TALENT.REAL NIGGA RAP IZ BACK

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poe — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:10:49 GMT

will the real emcees please take over the mic? thanks

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loch121 — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:12:05 GMT

FOR THE NIGGAS THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY NAS SAID HIP HOP IS DEAD YOU ARE WHY HE SAID IT.THEIR WAS A TIME WHEN ALL THIS WACK SHIT NIGGAS IS DOING NOW WAS AGAINST THE RULES. NO WACK RHYMES IS THE 1ST RULE,NO BITING, HAVE CREATIVITY AND ORIGINALITY.

NIGGAS IS MAD CUZ THE WACKEST NIGGAS BLOW WHILE DOPE NIGGAS GET NO LOVE.

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mu$h da great — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:21:46 GMT

when did true listeners start gauging qaulity of music by how many records a artist sells?

@loch121 - so your saying more from a control business standpoint "hip hop is dead" because its so commercialized & manufactured to generate revenue who really only are concerned with lining there pockets? intern putting out anything that will make a quick buck?

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T-ROC — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:24:38 GMT

But, you know what though. I read most of the comments above.

It amazes me, i say it over and over again. People really need to READ & COMPREHEND. The writer Shelby Powell NEVER said SD was WACK as a rapper. Her points were basically, SD wasn't saying HHID a year and a half ago when he was popping. NOW, his record sales have taken a DOOM. He is ready to start a firing squad against Hip-Hop and it's veteran.

This type of behavior separates men from boys. A real man would have said to himself "Hmmm, you know what i need to go back to the drwaing board." Since, his second effort wasn't as strong as his first.

Personally, I started saying over 6 months ago. leave SD he will choose to sefl-destruct his own career. No one will help him do it. He will do it on his own. First, off there is a thing in life called MATURITY and no man is going to go through his adult male life wearing sunglasses with his name on it. That's why when i talk HIP-HOP with anyone and they bring him out saying "oh, he did, oh he that." whether it's negtive or positive i tell them exclude him. Why? SIMPLE, he did not choose this path. it was selected for him (Mr. College Park ring a bell?).

You see, for the folks who have a difficult time READING & COMPREHENDING. There is a reason Shelby Powell ended the article with the quote:

"If you really think it's dead n*cca, then revive it. You feel me? Do something. Bring it back to life."

This was an effort to provoke thought. FOLLOW THE CONVERSATION.

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Ackenaten — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:28:44 GMT

This article is interesting, and has created a couple of issues that needs to be addressed...

Hip Hop is a culture and all cultures have rules. The level of disrespect that the pioneers in hip hop recieve only seems to be exclusive to this music form...which is self destructive. Can you imagine Cold play saying or even mentioning The Rollingstone in a negative way...Of course not. Would Greenday ever call U2 the "Golden Girls" and say that they are too old to continue singing...Never...Yet we have artist like Jim Jones attacking Jay and Nas...We had T.I. dismiss Nas's music as "Egyptian History Rap" We have many artist saying that Jay Z should retire and make way for new artist...Did the Rollingstone ever retire? Doesnt Kiss still make music? Isn't Aretha Franklin still making music? What these new artist dont understand is that they are really killing their own careers...If they say that a rapper that is 36 should not be rapping, then what will happen when they get 36? That is essentially cutting their own career. It is this shortsighted mindset that is indeed killing Hip Hop...It makes artist like Rakim seem too old to keep making records, thus prematurely ending the career of a pioneer and artist that are still nice. I believe that this is why Nas consistently gives credit to artist like Kool G rap, Slick Rick and mentions artist like DNice and Def Jeff...he understands that by giving their careers life, he in essence promoting the continuation of his own career.

There is a clear divide and conquer situation that is occuring and it is being created by the media. In the same way that they created the East vs West War which led to the death of two of our cultures best, they are up to their old tricks again. I have never heard of a rapper from the East or North or the West say that Southern rap is wack. What i have heard is an artist diss a specific artist for specific reasons. When D4L was being dissed, it was because their lyrics and beats were inferior, not because they were from ATL. When Soulja Boy is attacked, it is because his lyrics and beats are wack. They say that when an animal feels backed into a corner, he will attack. Soulja Boy has felt attacked because of his style of music and because Nas is considered the posterboy for creating the percieved backlash that his form of music is recieving, he attacked. It seems that everyone, including Soulja Boy himself has forgotten that Nas has never attacked his music and actually defended Soulja Boy in the past. Nas said that the music is cool for his age group humerously stated that he coldnt do the "supaman" dance. That being said, I dont think people really understand what Nas meant when he said that HHID. It wasnt an attack on the Southern style music, or even lyrics. It was an attack on the way that Hip Hop overall has been co-opted by corporate America....Let me explain...If before an artist creates his art, he is thinking about what music will enable him to sell more records or get signed first, and the person who decides who should get signed or decides the direction that music should go is a music exec tnhat has never written a rap or lived the culture, then who is actually in control of the art....The execs. Think about it...would an artist like Nas get signed in todays climate? What about Sliuck Rick? Rakim? Wutang? Probably not because an executive at a label decides that those type of artist arent commercially viable. When new artist are creating their music now, they realize that only a certain type of artist will get signed or played on the radio, so they cater their music to that sound...And this is the problem...This is why HHID...the artist are so influenced by what currently exist that the same sound and style continues to get recycled over and over because corporate execs arent artist...their bottom line is to make money, not to assist in the maintenance of a culture. As much as we like artist like Crooked I and Joel Ortiz, they will probably NEVER get heard on the radio...and because artist know that radio dictates who will get album sales or created enough of a buzz for them to make money doing shows, they make music that will get played on the radio...So...whoever controls the radio and who gets signed, essentially controls the art...Imagine if Picasso went to a studio and asked what was selling BEFORE he created the art? Would he have created the art that we call masterpieces...probably not. He would have recycled the style of what art was already successful, thus influencing all future artist to do the same...which is why HHID....Holla black family...let me know what you think?

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mu$h da great — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:34:40 GMT

loch121 said:

FOR THE NIGGAS THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY NAS SAID HIP HOP IS DEAD YOU ARE WHY HE SAID IT.THEIR WAS A TIME WHEN ALL THIS WACK SHIT NIGGAS IS DOING NOW WAS AGAINST THE RULES. NO WACK RHYMES IS THE 1ST RULE,NO BITING, HAVE CREATIVITY AND ORIGINALITY.

NIGGAS IS MAD CUZ THE WACKEST NIGGAS BLOW WHILE DOPE NIGGAS GET NO LOVE.
January 2, 2009 3:12 PM

lmao..... when was there really ever a time in hip hop when notable artist received the recognition they were supposed? when was there ever a time when it wasn't some corny, trendy, fly by nite shit saturating the airwaves or tv screens soley because it was popular? if its 10 mufuuckers out of a million makeing qaulity shit musically is hip hop dead? if its 1 mufucker doing his thing is hip hop dead? I say no. regardless of mainstream america measureing ones success or dimise on album sales or video plays or radio spins ......the basis for good artist is his actual album & not the units he moves.

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Hoodgrown — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:45:13 GMT

@Ackenaten

Well stated.....

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therealist209 — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:50:47 GMT

@ Hoodgrown

Your right that word should be banished in 09. Swag..get the fuck outa here. Made up characters is more like it.

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SPATE Magazine All Day — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:53:15 GMT

Hip hop has gotten so big that people are just bored with it. Its everywhere, when hip hop was the underdog and few people liked it there was a sense of excitement. Now everyone listens to it including little kids on sesame street. Its just gotten a bit corny. The solution is to further separate different types of hip hop and make genres. Thats where it will go in the future. If you like gangsta hip hop then buy that genre, if you like pink shirts and techno buy that genre. Lets break it up and separate the music so gangsta doesn't have to compete with metrosexual.

SPATE MAGAZINE WAS HERE
http://www.spatemag.com

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BAHIR ALLAH — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:53:33 GMT

HOOD GROWN YOU CALLED BIZ MARKIE WACK YO YOU GOT YOUR OWN POINON BUT THAT COMMENT ALONE KILLS EVERY POINT YOU TRY TO MAKE . THAT MAN MADE CLASSICS AND BEEN ON CLASSIC JOINTS SON AND HE DJ'S HE WAS KNOWN FOR HIS RYHMES AND BEAT BOXING SON AND WAS CRAZY TO BOOT. NAME A CLASSIC SOULA BOY ALBUM NO RECORD HE HAS MADE NO POSITIVE IMPACT TO THE CULTURE EVEN THOUGH HE NEW TO THE GAME BACK IN THE DAY IF YOU WAS WACK A NIGGA COULD BE LIKE YOU WACK PERIOD AND THEY BATTLE AND ITS NIGHTY NIGHT TO YOUR CAREER NOT TO PROTECT EVERYBODY FEELINGS YOU HATING ON HIM FOR STATING THAT A NIGGA WACK. IF HE BEST AT MAKING BEATS THEN LET HIM STICK TO THAT.

NOW I DON'T THINK HE ALONE IS THE CAUSE OF THE STATE OF HIPHOP IF THE LABELS AND MOSTLY THE FANS WHO KILLED THE DJ'S FROM BACK IN THE DAY WHERE ARE THEY IN THE WORLD OF HIP HOP WHERE ARE THE GRAF ARTIST WE STILL GOT B-BOYS BUT MC'S ARE GETTING DUMBER WITH THE LYRICS AND EVERYBODY BITES. BITING USED TO GET YO FUCKED UP NOT ITS WELCOMED. THE RULES OF HIP HOP IS ALL FUCKED UP AND IF THE RULES CHANGE THEN HIP HOP WILL BE CORRUPTED FOREVER. BRING BACK ORINGINALITY AND SEE WHO'D LAST IN THIS GAME. I HATE THE FACT THAT THE RULES HAVE CHANGED AND NOBODY ADDRESSED IT EXCEPT THE WU, PAYOLLA IS A BITCH FUCK RADIO DJ'S

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Pro-Vurb — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:57:49 GMT

I don't think hip-hop is dead or dieing. But I do think that the machine behind hiphop is dead or on life support. There are mad ways to market yourself and so many features you could drop but you won't sell nothing. I mean the guys who are selling are the ones who are big names and have respect. Lupe, Kanye, Jayz, and very few others who stick to the same formula or try something new with their art are selling. We need to the machine aka the record labels to get behind true hip-hop artists and fine good ways to create what they put out. Because essentially they control what we will hear. If record labels were strongly behind cats like Elzhi, Black Milk, Royce Da 5'9, Edan, Jay Electronica, Blu,the music would be really different because cats like SB would have to make music that can compete. But when SB got his buzz what was hot at the time? The whole south music dominance at the time. So he put out what he thought was hot and it had the formula of that style and he blew up. You can't knock him for following the trend and running with it. We can't change what's hot even by not buying music. The Artist have to change what the put out, Kanye did it 808's and heartbreaks. He was successful, the game is shifting again if you don't see but it's extra slow. But cats like Asher Roth, Cool Kids, Kid Cudi, and that whole let's be fresh with dope metaphors movement is gonna take over for a time.... Just watch....

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Savoy East — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:58:47 GMT

@ACKENATEN..............................

I RESPECT YOUR THOUGHTS, BUT BOTTOM LINE IS THAT ALL THESE SO CALLED RICH NIGGAZ NEED TO SIGN TALENT TO THEIR OWN LABEL AND RUN THIS SHIT OURSELVES, AND JUST USE THE MAJORS FOR DISTRIBUTION PURPOSES ONLY!!!!!!!!! OLD WHIT PEOPLE OWN EVERYTHING INCLUDING RAP, WHY THE FUCK AREN'T THERE ANY BLACK OWNED MAJORS, EVEN RUSSEL SOLD DEF JAM, AND HE WAS LIKE THE ONLY HOPE, MASTA P DID IT THE BEST WAY, BUT WE ALL KNEW THAT WASN'T GOING TO LAST LIKE A COLUMBIA OR AN INTERSCOPE, CAUSE THE FEDS EVENTUALLY CAME DOWN ON HIM, AND MADE HIM CHANGE HIS LABELS NAME AND ALL THAT SHIT, MURDA INC GOT CAUGHT UP, RAP A LOT WENT THROUGH YEARS OF TURMOIL, CASH MONEY GOT ONE ARTIST, AND PUFFY KEEP FUCKING NIGGAZ OUT THEY GUAP............... THAT'S THE REAL PROBLEM, OUR BLACK BILLIONAIRES PUT DOWN HIP HOP EXCEPT BOB JOHNSON, SO YOU KNOW THEY AREN'T HELPING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO THE ONLY SOLUTION IS TO COME TOGETHER, AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THAT BLACK PEOPLE HAVE, SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.......... SOULJA BOY IS COOL, BUT HE SAY DUMB ASS SHIT LIKE THAT, BUT THAT'S HIS OPINION........ NAS ACTUALLY TOOK UP FOR THE LITTLE SNOTTY NOSE FUCK, AND LOOK WHERE IT GOT HIM, AND BACKLASHING FROM ONE OF THE WORST RELEVANT RAPPERS....... THIS GENERATION HAS SOME FAGGY AS SHIT GOING ON AND THE DAYS OF HOODIES,TIM BOOTS, AND REAL LYRICS AND ORIGINALITY ARE GONE, YOU HAVE TIP, LUPE, KANYE, WEEZY, GAME, CROOKED I, RANSOM, JOE BUDDENS, JOELL ORTIZ, IMMORTAL TECHNIQUE, JEEZY, GUCCI, RICK ROSS, BOOSIE & WEBBIE, ROYCE, PLIES, FREEWAY,YOUNG CHRIS, AND MAYBE 2 OR 3 MORE DUDES I'M FORGETTING THAT'S LEADING THIS GENERATION, NOW THINK ABOUT THE TWO GENERATIONS BEFORE THIS ONE(2000-2009) COMPARED TO 92 TO 2000 AND 85 TO 92.................. AND YOU GET BACK AT ME........................

(BODYMORE MURDALAND)

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smupreacher — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:00:44 GMT

This is a very interesting editorial and a very interesting discussion. Where I stand on this is that right now as we speak, hip-hop is dying in the mainstream. My argument is strictly on the musical level at this point. If you listen to your local "urban" radio station what do you hear? If you listen to XM/Sirius on the "urban" stations, what do you hear? Radio venues, this is including SAT and internet, DJ's and the consumer are the gatekeepers of Hip-Hop musically. WE have allowed the toxins of allowing non-talented, no message having, no production skills toting and all in all clown acts seep into the music. Musically, the purpose is gone. Show me the value, musically or artistically in many of the acts now, SB included? This can be debated from the sides of rhyme flow, content, beats or what have you. The music is cookie cutter and most of the jabronis that are out, no one knows who did the production. For Hip-Hop to musically recover from the stroke that she took, artists are going to have to constantly improve their skills and their game IN the studio. A nice hook, cheesy dance or flowing about some rims or shoes just isn't going to cut it. Let me ask this as a question to everyone and I would like to hear opinions on this. At this point in our country, shouldn't hip-hop move and grow up? The election of Obama has put the Hip-Hop Nation on notice and musically we better grow up and get back musically to the pulse of the culture and the community. Flowing about rims and partying in our bad economic times are the same as John McCain saying that the fundamental of the economy is strong on the same day the stock market practically tanked.

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Cmacjb — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:01:22 GMT

Soulja Boy Lost nigga needs to take his L and just try again and make some real music instead of putting the blame on Nas for his whack ass album sales. Hip Hop anit dead but whack niggas like him is making it harder for people to see what true Hip Hop music is.

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BAHIR ALLAH — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:03:29 GMT

ACKENATEN YO AND I MUST HAVE BEEN WRITING AT THE SAME TIME SON GOOD INSIGHT.

GO PEEP NAS NEW VIDEO QUEENS GET MONEY ON THIS SIGHT AND THEN PEEP ANY OF SOULA BOY'S VIDEOS AND TELL ME IF THIS YOUNG NIGGA DON'T NEED THOSE GLASSES SMACKED OFF HIS FACE.

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mu$h da great — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:04:53 GMT

akanaten said:

What these new artist dont understand is that they are really killing their own careers...If they say that a rapper that is 36 should not be rapping, then what will happen when they get 36? That is essentially cutting their own career.

I agree with a lot of what you said in your entire post.but saying what I qouted you on I think you should understand what sb is saying about adding a stigma to something that people began to believe because of a artist influence & affecct on his listerners. soulja boy never attacked nas music or nas as a artist ether. he questioned what nas said?

some people might not like it but there is a shelf life on telling mufuckers you standing on the corner pushin rock stone for stone. you can't be a millionaire c.e.o. & expect for niggas to believe you still doing that... so of course mufuckers is gone be like I'm tired of hearing you lie to me. that's one specifc artist I'm referenceing ....but like I said I do hear what your saying.

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mu$h da great — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:13:03 GMT

@t-roc - that was a soulja boy qoute though....

when did the nigga ever blame nas for his poor album sales.....nigga just addressed what was said.....

so if you disagree with somebody you don't have the right to question what was said ....... you supposed to just keep your mouth closed & turn the other cheek?

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Deuce53 — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:15:15 GMT

the more he opens his mouth, the deeper grave he digs himself for him ever to be even mentioned as a true MC...he could come out a year from now droppin hot fire, but how deep in the shitter is his career gona be by that time? be humble, shrug off the haters, and dont believe ur own motherfuckin hype. respect him for bein young and stackin paper?fuck no! how bout i respect him if he stops flaunting his shit to hungry ppl all over the world on youtube? its a recession, and ur saying and doin a whole bunch of bs for wat?! u cant honestly say its to promote u and ur album, cuz last tiem i checked it didnt work! soulja boy, to me, is a gimmick, created by ppl lookin for a quick buck and to exploit a dumbass who knows how to create some bullshit dance...

hip hop aint dead, but its in the same state as this economy...good music and artists are hard to come by, and the more attention we pay to these dumb fucks, the worse its gonna get...record execs and ppl of importance see how "successful" this kid is, or how much buzz he has on the internet, and they automatically think they can find somebody just like him, give him a deal, some stupid lookin gimmicks (cmon dog, y in THEEEE fuck wud u write on some sunglasses? hahaha shits corny) and start lining their pockets. but u know wats fucked up the most bout this whole thing? everytime he, or lil waynes goofy ass gets mentioned (and these two are two of the biggest reasons why hip hop is desperate rite now) on this site, or datpiff.com or wherever im at, u get responses up the fuckin ass!!! why? do yall realize that no press is bad press, and by talkin about him, or wayne, or anybody else we can all agree is watering down music, u ppl are actually helpin and endorsing wat they r doing? wake the fuck up! im callin for a boycott on lending ppl like this any kind of attention, cuz even by hating, u are, in fact, endorsing them....1

p.s. im not hating on wayne, he was good up til his shit after C3...listen to "ransom" with drake on it...dus he really rap the entire abc's? no talent is needed to do that

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Illmatic T — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:18:02 GMT

soulja boy gonna get MOBBED by Bravehearts
QB's Finest
Soulja watch out that ether pt 2 is commin 4 yooouuuuuuu youuuuuuuu

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mu$h da great — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:18:43 GMT

to those of you that have a problem with soulja boy saying hip hop aint dead (addressing nas statement......ask yourself do you really have a problem with what he said or just have a problem with him.......

if jay-z said hip hop aint dead would he have caught such of a backlash from people?

if krs said it would you have felt the same way?

some people might genuinely disagree but I think a lot folks just have a problem with who delivered the message.....

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mu$h da great — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:24:23 GMT

@illmatic t - we bout to play yall next week I believe, ima have to check the schedule......regardless of when we play boston got a loss comeing..lol.........

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Freddie Kincaid — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:24:31 GMT

it seems we won't let this issue die. I agree with kingbaba1. if public enemy, whom can definitely be considered hip, came out with an album who would buy it. nas statement did exactly what is was supposed to do, make u think. why sb decided to blame nas for hip hop being dead, I dnt't know. maybe it all the stress of the hate he is getting. fortunately, I am old school, but I can't deny that that sb made u wanna get up and superman that...I do feel the chng from the old school up to now. what I don't understand is who decides what is and what is not hip hop. what's the differnce btween sb and odb shimmy shimmy or kid and play oh la oh la heyyyy. it seems as if there is a double standard set for who is considered an emcee. I have witnessed comment after comment how all these rappers are wack. the only change I have noticed is that the content has changed. there was a time when fresh prince and de la soul could release an album and get love. now a days conscience music is shunned. Kanye is criticized while plies is held in high esteem. instead of posting all these hate comments maybe we should hold these media outlets accountable for what they are reporting or how they are reporting. it is so much easier to support negative and hate. as a member of the older generation, I am used to content. radio is not geared towrds me because I am no longer considered a consumer. we no longer hold emcees respnsible for there content so therefore is slowly became less of a factor as the generations past. sb did not ask anybody to buy his music but we know someone did. no artist has put a gun to anyone's head and forced them to buy. if you were around when public enemy, nwa were doing it, then u understand that hip hop was a platform used to express all types of emotions and spoke out about life ills and societal. hip hop was the voice of a people looking for change. this has been replced with self grandstanding and hate which the media and radio gladly push to the younger generation. there was a time when everyone's style be it gansta, conscious, dance, it didn't matter. now that other regions are enjoying the spoils of their label it has become a problem.

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TROOPER74 — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:28:22 GMT

MANN, FUCK THIS "HE'S YOUNG AND LOTS OF GROWING TO DO" CRAP! USING HIS AGE AS A SHIELD AND SHIT. NAS EVEN SAID HE'S PART OF THE PROBLEM ALSO ON THAT HIP HOP DEAD CD ABOUT COMMERCIALIZING THE GAME. STOP USING HIS AGE AS A REASON FOR HIS ACTIONS. LL COOL J CAME IN THE GAME JUST LIKE HIM. MAKING BEATS, RHYMES ETC. AND TOOK NO PRISONERS. HE DIDN'T CRY LIKE A BABY WHEN OLDER CATS CAME AT HIM HE JUST WROTE A RHYME AND DESTROYED THEM. (ICE-T RING A BELL) SOULJABOY IS NOT DOING NOTHING NEW. PPL KEEP SAYING HE'S DOING HIS WAY. HE'S MAKING HIS BEATS, WRITE HIS OWN SONGS ETC. SHIT I HOPE HE WRITE HIS OWN SONGS CUZ THERE EASY TO WRITE. HE'S MAKING BEATS WITH READY MADE BEATS ON A COMPUTER OR LAPTOP. IT'S NOT LIKE HE'S HIT'N THE TRINITY OR DRUM MACHINES AND SHIT. HE'S JUST SALTY THAT NO ONE PURCHASE THAT SHIT AND NOW HE'S LOOKING FOR A BUZZ WITH THIS FAKE ASS AK-47'S POINTED AT MY FACE, KIDNAPPING CRAP.

STOP IT HOMEBOY CUZ U LOOKIN LIKE A FOOL.

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TROOPER74 — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:33:54 GMT

NAS DID WHAT HE WANTED TO DO. AND THAT MAKE THE MEDIA OR SO CALL HIP HOP MEDIA PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IS GOING ON AND TO WEED OUT THESE BUSTERS. PLIES IS THE FUTURE OF HIP HOP?????? PLEASE, GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE! PLIES, ROSS, SB, V.I.C. , SHAWTY LO ALL OF THEM TO ME IS KILLING HIP HOP. JAM MASTER JAY LOOKING DOWN ON HIP HOP LIKE "WHERE'S THE DJ, THE TRUE DJ THAT SUPPOSE TO MAKE SURE HIP HOP DON'T DIE" JMJ SHAKIN HIS HEAD LIKE DAMNNNNNN AT LEAST MY MAN RUN KEEPING IT ALIVE.

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TROOPER74 — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:38:07 GMT

I THINK SOULJABOY GOT SALTY WHEN NAS SAID "HE GOT REAL PLATINUM SHITS OFF ALBUM SELLS AND YOURS OFF RINGTONES" HAHAHA IT'S THE TRUTH. NOTHING WRONG IN GETTING MONEY BY WAY OF RINGTONES BUT HE'S JUST SHOWING HE'S NOT IN IT FOR THE LOVE OF THE GAME BUT JUST TO GET A DOLLAR AND WHEN HE'S NOT ACCEPTED HE STARTS BITCHIN.

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T-ROC — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:41:38 GMT

mu$h da great said:
@t-roc - that was a soulja boy qoute though....
----------------------------------------------------

See I am getting fustrated, because negroes really don't know how to READ & COMPREHEND. that is why i said Shelby Powell "eneded the quote with."

Don't you think if i copy & paste the quote, obviously i see SB name at the bottom of the quote. Therefore, referring to the author.

SMH.

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RudePeruano — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:42:26 GMT

Soulja boy was only hot because of that stupid ass dance he got !!! If he just did that vieo without the dance it would have never gone platnium !! Hopefully soulja boy can recover as not being a ringtone rapper ?? We'll just wait and see .............

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mu$h da great — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:03:47 GMT

@t-roc - lmao you got me....i half ass read what you said...

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mr.201973 — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:07:55 GMT

it ain't nuttin like hip hop music!!!!

http://www.amalgamdigital.com/artist-details.aspx?id=2119

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loch121 — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:09:23 GMT

@MU$H DA GREAT YEAH THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING CUZ NOW WE CATER TO WHAT A 13 YEAR OLD WHITE GIRL IN THE BURBS LIKES CUZ THAT'S WHAT THE COMPANY TARGETS.

THERE WAS A TIME WHEN SKILLED MCS MOSTLY SOLD RECORDS AND WACK SHIT THAT BLEW WAS FAR AND IN BETWEEN.NOW IT'S THE OPPOSITE.RAKIM,RUN DMC,KANE,KRS 1,NWA,AND EPMD WERE ALL IN THE SAME TIME PERIOD.

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TROOPER74 — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:10:07 GMT

FYI....

The sales figures are in and Kanye West remains ahead of the pack, bringing home his fourth platinum plaque just one day before ‘09.

After 7 weeks, the Chi-Town mega rapper/producer’s latest record, 808s & Heartbreak, has officially moved 1,023,900 units according to Nielsen’s SoundScan. Ye sold 165,100 discs this week, landing him at the number 5 spot on the Billboard 200, 6 spots up from last week.
After 7 weeks, the Chi-Town mega rapper/producer’s latest record, 808s & Heartbreak, has officially moved 1,023,900 units according to Nielsen’s SoundScan. Ye sold 165,100 discs this week, landing him at the number 5 spot on the Billboard 200, 6 spots up from last week.

At number 15 is ATL giant T.I., who sold 78,300 copies of Paper Trail this week. After 13 weeks on the charts Tip has sold an impressive 1,522,100 CDs. 16 spots down is fellow ATLien, Ludacris, who rang up 58,300 units this week. Luda’s 6th solo album, Theater of the Mind, is slowing reaching gold status with 439,200 discs sold after 5 weeks.

Right behind Chris is self-proclaimed “greatest rapper alive” Lil’ Wayne, sitting pretty at number 32. The chart king has managed to sell and additional 57,800 copies of Tha Carter III, bringing his sales total to a whopping 2,874,400.

Further down the list is Florida rapper Plies at number 36. In its second week on the charts, Da Realist, has sold 52,700 units – making his total stand at 167,400. Controversial rapper Soulja Boy, who earlier this week said that Nas was responsible for killing hip-hop, fell 4 spots to number 47. SB’s iSouljaboytellem sold 34, 700 albums in his sophomore week making his total stand at 79,900. – Elan Mancini

PPL KEEP SAYING SB WENT PLATINUM HIS FIRST CD. HE DIDN'T THAT ONE SONG DID WITH RINGTONES THIS IS THE LATEST SALES ON HIS FIRST CD.

The lead single "Crank That (Soulja Boy)" reached #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 before the release of the album in September 2007. In its first week, souljaboytellem.com sold 117,000 copies and debuted at number 4 on the Billboard 200. As of December 16, 2008 the album has sold 957,781 copies.

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T-ROC — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:10:29 GMT

mu$h da great said:
@t-roc - lmao you got me....i half ass read what you said...

---------------------------------

I knew you did. oh ok.

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Gemini205 — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:28:34 GMT

I see the word hater is still overused. SMH. Anyway,Soulja Boy released that video because his album flopped, so his opinion is invalid to me. He didn't think hip hop was dying when his debut went platinum in 2007, did he? Nope! He said it was alive because of his success back then. I like that quote the author put at the end of the editorial. That proves he's just salty about his current sales. Otherwise, that video wouldn't have existed. He was a fluke with a big hit like (Dem Franchize Boyz, Chicken Noodle Soup kids, Mims, etc.) Also, people were saying hip hop was dead long before HHID came out, and I'm pretty sure if Nas never had that album title, people would still be saying it.

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BAHIR ALLAH — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:38:54 GMT

SAVOY EAST WHAT UP SON I SEE THE WAY YOU SLID IN GUCCI, BOOSIE, WEBBIE AND PLIES THEY ON SOULJA BOY LEVEL ARTISTICALLY TO ME. YOU FUNNY MY NIGGA

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Cabana da Don — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:03:22 GMT

Whoever wrote this made the article so confusing that in the end it contradicted itself.This nigga falls in the line nas said "If you're asking why hip hop is dead you're probably the one killing it"

Basicly shit thats out those not relate to hip hop no more.It's no longer original it's genetic.

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younghap — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:04:35 GMT

He is actually dropping science. On the real word sound power! Remember in the bible it all started with the word! What you say has power and if you say it with enough intent it will manifest. Its all mind over matter, thoughts are things.

Here are a some other examples

Biggie said: He was ready to die and he died

Tupac always spoke of an early death in So Many Tears he said: "My every move is a calculated step to bring me closer to embrace an early death" and he did

Puffy and Jay usually rap about a rich life style look at what manifested

50 Cent said he was going to get rich or die trying... and he got rich but he almost died in the process

KRS called him self the teacher and now he makes more money lecturing then rapping.

C Murder is know doing time for Murder, even though he claims to be innocent. He claimed it!

The point solja boy is making if he knows it or not is, if you CLAIM it, it will MANIFEST! So be careful.

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gorgan — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:08:53 GMT

Soulja Boy is mad wack But ask me if he should retire because of poor album sales? HELL NO THIS IS CAREER THIS IS MY ADVICE TO SOULJA BOY [A] either develop a thickskin and make your bullshit music [just my opinion] and sell it to the morons who actually like it [b] heed the critisism suck it up [no homosexuality intented] and buy a dictionary an encyclopedia and STEP YOUR RAP GAME THE FUCK UP Because one thing hip hop heads wont stand for is you bitching and blaming people for your obvious inadequacies , it ain't fresh I'm mad old skool but in would love to see Cassidy [minus some of the exaagerated crack selling stories] and Corey Gunz really step to it and give the younger generation some much needed credibility in the emcee stakes Young niggas like Soulja boy should have consulted a veteran emcee with credibility from his hood like Big Boi , 3ooo , Luda as soon as he got a recording contract they would or could have warned him what happens when the hip hop consumer gets sick of gimmicky nonsensical rap Then again he seems to be friends with Jibbs who had one corny song that bombed just as quick as it blew up he should have learned from that

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TerrazonaHood — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:20:19 GMT

I just think the music game in general is dying but not dead. How many folks here miss the Luther Vandross days, the Anita Bakers, when R&B artists weren’t trying to rap, and rap artist weren’t trying to sing. A lot of the music now is more focused on dances and hooks, rather than lyrical content. Most of us grew up listening to music "underground" so to speak and were not hooked on BET and MTV like the younger generation. The older generation grew up looking up to the older generation, nowadays the younger generation don't really look up to shit, they already did it, when they haven't. The stuff that is coming out now honestly is geared toward the other since they the main buyers than it is for the niggas that been bumping they stuff. For example Kanye, i been bumping his last CD's like crazy, then you come out with Heartbreak. OK i can see one two songs maybe you singing, but the whole album??? Snoop had one song Sexual Eruption and he was clownin, but a whole CD and you supposed to be a hip hop artist. Sorry. Lil Wayne, i give props for selling, but it really shows me what the music is turning into. Folks say Wayne is the best, so lyrical, freestyles when he raps. OK, so if i see that same nigga SIZZURPED out all the time and he free styling, doesn't that turn into a SIZZURPED out freestyle song? It's hard to get into the new shit cuz all of it sounds the same, to me there is no originality to it, how three folks have a lollipop song out in the same 2 months, makes no sense. Nas album didn't sell that much because it was an album for the thinkers, the GROWN FOLKS.

Baby Momma Beef Victim, fried chicken murderer, Roach sympathizer, and last but not least we are not Alone

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drewhood — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:30:18 GMT

hip hop aint dead, its comin back strong in 09, people aint buying bullshit albums anymore, thats y all these wack artists are floppin. U got a bunch of real emcess (crooked,royce,buddens,freeway,dre) droppin in 09. People are truly fed up with the bullshit so make way for the real mc's.

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mu$h da great — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:31:51 GMT

for the record savage life is live ass album ......the 1st one

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Katalyst — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:35:11 GMT

Whats crazy is back in the day we could call something WHACK, and explain why we thought that. Now we do it and were labeled a HATER?

Nas can say HHID and explain why, but that dont mean Hip Hop is really dead. SB can say Nas Killed Hip Hop, then give his reason, but that dont mean its gospel.

Hip Hop is what it was when we first started doin it in the park, or in the bathroom at school or tha block or wherever the F*ck you did it, "An ongoing conversation"

What fucks me up is the media now has their nose all up in it, thinking that listening to it and critiquing it is living it(????????)
You are a f*cking journalist!!! and if people depend on you to give the news fair and balanced, then why are you taking sides??? Another topic altogether "yes yes yall"
But keepin it movin I'll say this, the original movement was always against a sellout. The old school labeled you whack when you had no allegiance and you tried to cross over and gain that pop appeal.
Now the problem today is the disconnect. Todays artist dont give a F8ck about what the foundation did to get them where they are.
So when artist drop their albums they have no allegiance to anything but album sales, and now Hip Hop is a divided sinking ship in terms of what it represents.

Look at it like this: Hip Hop will always have its SB's, they wont have follow up albums that do well, some might say im speculating but the likelihood of SB comin out with a new dance and song to match is slim.
Pee Wee's dance is classic in Hip Hop, But it was what it was jus some more entertainment to pass the time.
Nas however is lyrical and represent the movement of the people, or at least some people.

Somebody say you understand or dont understand, and guess what?, Hip Hops conversation will continue........

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D-block 4life — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:38:02 GMT

First off...Good article

This remind me of fresh prince of bel-air episode,when ashley became a big time singer & quickly her fans 4got about her after her one little hit.LOL naww but seriously,all them souljah boy fans rode that wave wit the superman BS.now its pretty much played out, he trying 2 put nas in his failure this time around.Didnt he brag about him being poor b4 superman came out? Well tell the lil niggA 2 brag about take'n a L.those who want to compare him 2 jay,50 etc.they both may have that cd that didn't get approved by hip hop fans,but they was quick to blame themselves.just like that dance yall was running around doing,souljah boy is a joke.

But that's what you get when you have young kids trying 2 get in the game...know matter how old they get,we still see that young child they started as.look @ bow wow,no matter that he droped the lil & just call himself bow wow,or talk about a gun or putting iced out grillz in his mouth.he always going to be LiL bow wow.& souljah boy always going to be remember'd as the young boy who had that superman song.

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D-block 4life — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:38:04 GMT

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Sovietnam — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:02:02 GMT

I loved that fresh prince episode. i like when will and carlton was dancing and carlton started feeling it more and more until he busted out the big moves!

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chuckwaters — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:07:17 GMT

This kid is the 2000 version of Skee Lo

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Cunique — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 01:00:44 GMT

as a man in 30 age bracket crowd i can honestly say souljah boy is wack because i been around long enough to appreciate this art form and seen where it came from to what it is now....watered down,carbon copy ass rappers!!!!
i don't hate on him tho because he's making music for his generation which is the youth.most of us grew up so we can't relate to what he's saying because we alot older than him and we not in the kiddie clubs no more.you go to a club in any city where the crowd is between 18 -26 if souljah boy come on or bow wow and omarion for that reason...shit is going to be bananas.he's too young to appreciate where this music came from and we might be too old to appreciate where it's going.
like i said this nigga is wack and maybe he might need to be put in his place but my kids love his music like i krs-1 and brand nubian back in the day.
he's the voice of this generation like it or not...it's time we stop putting an age limit on rap and start supporting our legends in the game becaus ekrs has been putting out albums damn near every year and you niggas ain't running out to buy it because you feel he's too old.
R&B artist from the 70's are still putting out albums that are selling because thier audience grew up with them....why can't we do the same for hip hop???

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Haughville — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 01:14:44 GMT

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JUDAH NAZURA — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:02:51 GMT

for all you fake ass hiphop posuers...stop sticking up for soulja boy...he made his bed......NOW SLEEP! im tired of comin on here and reading some cornball posuer talking about throwing little sambo under the bus!.....and some buffoon tried to dis the REASON SOFTWARE!.....listen,all you fake ass DILLA wannabe s are lame and your some posuers! anyone can load a soul record in a MPC,chop it up and throw some generic ass drums underneath..its bullshit...and it s wack! everytime i hear someone who makes beats with the MPC..the shit always sounds like the next mans shit....i know i know...yall wanna make some gritty underground shit...LAME!....what kinda talent is that? I use REASON and ill guarenDAMNtee you my beats are smashing yall wack MPC user niggaz.....like swizz said to kanye...ok you can sample other ppls shit...where is your original material?.....Reason can be used by artist who are artistically inclined...like I play bass guitar and drums..so my shit sounds orchestrated....not a soul sample repeating itself over and over and over....how many damn 9th wonders,black milks,and premiers do we need? the so called hiphop purist also contributed to HHID. check new york niggaz....evry time i hear a new york MC spit...the nigga talking about thug,gangsta,keys,gats,mac 11 s,hoes,bentleys etc...etc...how many of yall have q tips album?...are you telling me STAT QUO is more HIPHOP than Q tip? New york lost its identity,the south is remedial rap,west coast trying to revive gangsta rap...and my home the MIDWEST..yall can front..but we bringing in the new shit! dont make me name the midwest artist! We gonna be running this shit..seems we have more to talk about and bring a refreshing change in the climate of HIPHOP....go ahead and disagree....but watch and see how the so called HIPSTER,NERD,ALTERNATIVE,ELECTRO shit which is the MIDWEST SWING TAKES OVER! so niggaz,SB included...step your game up! stop comin with that stale ass shit that nobody wants to hear!....THUG SHIT,GANGSTA,SNAP and all these fuckin gimmicks are not HIPHOP! MIDWEST STAND UP! lets show these niggaz how to do it!.....oh and REASON is the REASON!...stop runnin up on niggaz with that wack shit....get creative.

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xFlipZx — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:46:09 GMT

this nigga is biggest fucking clown....my nigga SONIC was right lmao...you were gonna flop and sell like 4 records

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budnlean — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:50:08 GMT

HIP HOP is not dead! RAP is dead and will never get bacc to wut it wuz.
too many dumb fuccs dont know the difference between HIP HOP and RAP. RAP is only an element of HH. so for one to say HIP HOP is dead is absurd.
even Nas is an idiot! his album should have been called RAP IS DEAD. all real RAP lovaz might as well pull out our old cd collection and get to jammin! cuz it really aint no new good shit.
my niccaz Chamillionaire & Bun B the only niccaz doin their thang. dont get me wrong tho...im still waitin for Em to drop and for dat new Jigga. oh well all good things must cum to an end.

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hubcity129 — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 04:17:23 GMT

ITS SIMPLE!!!! FUQ DA INDUSTRY!!!!!!!
HIPHOP was created by and for us, not sold to us. but we sold it to coperate america wit no type of buy it baq clause in the contract...BLAQ BLAQ NO TRADIN BAQ!!! now we stuq on the underground(not wit mixtapes cuz thats now commercial 2) wit niggas that got heat only for download cuz it aint no r n b artist on the hook, no super producer on the traq, no hellafied ass guest appearence, and no promotion at all except links in the all hiphop fourms and comment sections. 2MUCH OF ANYTHING IS BAD AND HIPHOP GOT TO MUCH ON THE BUISNESS SIDE AND LOST ITS DAMN MIND!!!! WHAT ONCE WAS USED AS A TOOL FOR PRESSURE RELIEF FROM THE DAILY STRUGGLES AND THE HARSH REALITY OF GHETTO LIFE HAS BECOME THE DAILY STRUGGLE WIT SO MUCH PRESSURE TO FAKE THE HARSH REALITIES OF GHETTO LIFE.... FUQ DA INDUSTRY!!!!!!!!!

(STINKMEINER) FUQ DA INDUSTRY!!! FUQ - DA - IN-DUS-TRY NIGGA!!!!! but get yo paper...lol!!!!! now how symbolic is that for yo ass?!!!!

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KingCap — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 04:23:55 GMT

@mu$h da great

Damn, man. Why are you even on this blog arguing everyone's point?

First off, no ones really mad that Soulja Boy is speaking the truth. It's the way he went about doing it.

He was speaking the truth about people following and repeating what their favorite rappers say.

HOWEVER, he said that "NAS KILLED HIP HOP". How exactly was he speaking the truth on that?

Although he had some good points, he lost for that comment, and that's people are going at him. When will you Soulja Boy protectors understand that?

To compare someone like Nas to someone like Bush is reaching. No one had a problem with him making a valid point, so stop missing the point at why so many Hip Hop heads are disgusted by his comments. People like to defend Soulja Boy because he's a KID, but when you make stupid claims like that on videotape, then expect for people to retaliate.

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DaWildchild — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 04:31:33 GMT

What I wanna know is who sits around and watches a Soulja Boy Tellem Blog? This nigga is illiterate as fuck and should have stayed in school or got a tutor and got his education.Everyone knows that first hit was a fluke and yeah he got mad exposure and got money but he should have put his work in and up his rap skills. THe nigga is not an emcee and never will be. Toss that nigga in there with other wankstas and cancel his credit cards cause this dude is on the way to bankruptcy.

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KingCap — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 04:42:58 GMT

When will people realize that Soulja Boy and his music are just fads? We had them all this decade (Dem Franchize Boyz, Young Dro, Yung Joc, D4L, Crime Mob, Huey, UNK, Shop Boyz, Young B). They all had huge hits, now where are they?

Soulja Boy is a pest. If you ignore him, then he'll go away. This is his way at getting attention.

I don't want any thinking I hate him. I do dislike his music and attitude, but I hate his arrogant immature ways.

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D.I.C.E. — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:25:53 GMT

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mrbell — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:41:18 GMT

I've read this article and I'm thinking to myself how the hell Solja boy can even think about dissing Nas??? And why does everyone think that because SB is 'young' that there's this hate thing going? The problem nowadays is that none of the new skool cats take pointers from the 'old skool' cats. No one is into artist development or mentoring like they used to. Bottom line, all new rappers today got great big shoes to fill. The cats that put it down in the 80s and 90s set the tone for what was supposed to contine. I don't hate SB I just think that his music needs more direction. How do you think you can diss cats that created a lane for you to succeed when you wasn't even around to understand it yet?? SB was born right around the time when hip-hop peaked in my opinion. Nas and Ice T put the seeds in the ground for this new cat. The least he could do was say thank you and take notes. Making money don't make you smart or wise. Learn about the game before you play the game

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ReppinVer2.0 — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:45:03 GMT

Why are yall still talking about this nigga. Let the kid do the club music while you go back and listen to your washed up Nas in your basement. Nas said hiphop was dead for publicity and yall know it, stop. lol at "Ether part 2" Nas can't ether anybody anymore, even Soulja Boy. Tell that nigga to go scramble Jay's eggs. Light on the cheese.

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dalethebarber — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:58:37 GMT

Souljah boi sucks big tyme.That nigga hurt my ears.

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PERFECT WORLD — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 06:14:42 GMT

When Soulja Boy was another broke, young black man in America people could give a fuck about him. Now that he's got money, ho's, car's and clothes people hatin.. Diddy said it best, They Gone Hate Regardless. In the mean time GET MONEY! Fuck everybody else...

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MOSSHADYESCO — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 06:37:11 GMT

lol @ people not reading the aritcle and commenting just by looking at the title

man i guess this guys 15 minutes is up... i had no idea he had another album out....guess this rap thing isnt as easy as it loooks....Nas album was titled "nigger" and he outsold SB....i think the new generation of artist dont think FUTURE....they dont think what ima gonna do for my sophmore joint? where do i want to be in this rap game 5 years from now??? a year from now??? so they get lazy in the studio and make garbage recyled music...

its pretty said though cause 50 is strugglin hard too and we was a superstar 5 years ago...but he got lazy too...Jay-z and Nas were in the game in the early 90's and were in 2009 and both can easily go platinum (worldwide)...this is why these guys are the GOATS and need to be studied if your up incoming....

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canipost? — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 06:50:36 GMT

Hip hop is not dead...*yet*...it just moved to the south to retire.

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sl8roc — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 06:52:33 GMT

Honestly, FUCK Soulja Boy and his stupid-ass comments. I respect his utilization of the internet to get his career going. BUT, the lil' bastard lacks what so many of the younger generation lack: PERSPECTIVE. Know the history and know the ledge when it comes to Hip-Hop and think before you speak on shit. Right now, commercial rap is horrible because these mothafuckin corporate entities are involved. Independent, underground, Old -school cats and some of the new up and comers is where the talent and skills are. The rap game is alive and well, but the rest of hip-hop could very well be considered dead because it isn't acknowledged, recognized and revered by alot of these young cats. DJin', Breakin', Graffiti and MCin are the four cornerstones of Hip-Hop. Hip-Hop is a lifestyle and it's all about intelligence and knowledge; not the ignorant shit that saturates the media. It's supposed to uplift and enlighten.

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fhutch — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 06:58:02 GMT

Hear we go again!!! HipHop is not dead. I look at it like this, HipHop has always had variations of styles for the masses. That's what made it ours. We had everything from Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, Gang Starr, Awesome Two, Magic Mike, to Rakim, Public Enemy, NWA, and Nemesis. We often forget HipHop is a Culture. And our culture is like a Gumbo. You have all of these things some may or may not like in a pot. But they are still in the gumbo. That's why different people fix their gumbo differently. You may have to search a little for your type of HipHop but it is out there. Unfortunately, the radio media outlets are only gonna push what makes them money. So, what's being played on the radio may not be your flavor of Gumbo. That's why the internet is such a huge music outlet. That's why we appreciate AHH because the have a little something for everybody.

-fhutch

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shelz — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:27:45 GMT

lol.... this is hardly a condemnation of soulja boys music. and for the people who keep sayin im one sided or biased....thats what editorial is for; the biased eye. if you want fair and balanced, read the news section.

i understand sb is entitiled to his opinion, but with opinion comes dissent. the whole point is the timing of the release of the video. no, he didnt say, nas is the reason my album didnt sell. but considering the fact that HHID came out almost 3 years ago and sb has been around for almost 2, i question why he now wants to jump on the bus.

as far as me trying to determine what is real hip hop and what isnt, thats something for you to decide. i dont synch your i-pod. you do that. so if you like sb great. but at some point everyone has to be accountable for what they say. hes entitiled to his opinion as much as i am.

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pbfreak — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 12:20:45 GMT

...pah! Soulja Boy? Who cares what he says? But there's a general tendency that people use the word hip-hop for a certain kind of music, that has absolutely nothing to do with the original meaning of hip-hop. Is Soulya Boy hip-hop? No! Is Lil' Wayne hip-hop? Hell, no! This RnB/ new-soul music. It would be a shame to call Soulja or Wayne a lyricist! They just rhyme to make money and try to be ´street` or as we call it ´gangster`(like Rick Ross;). Hip Hop still lives as long as records of true lyricist such as NAS, KRS, Jay Z, Guru, Freddie Fox ...and all those cats that produce their stuff in the underground, are bought.

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Replay917 — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:27:54 GMT

I got no hate for Soulja or his fans, they're doing their thing.

I do agree that the rest of hip hop fandom is under no obligation at all to get on Soulja's nuts at any point...most heads really aren't feeling him. Everyone BUT SB's hardcore fanbase got sick of that single by about the second or third time they listened to it. He's got talented delivery and a great stage presence but the lyrical content and also the beatmaking have to come a ways before I can cosign on that as a fan myself and I think a lot of other people feel the same way.

Honestly, I feel like both Hurricane Chris and Soulja Boy are local artists who obviously thrive at that level and would be doing way better trying to keep their respective cities pumped up than trying to break wide the way they did. I saw them double up on 106 and Park and it was clear that it was just publicity and that the audience didn't give a shit. The same week Young Lloyd was on and the audience clearly actually DID give a shit and the diff was plain to see.

If anything we all ought to be pissed at Mr. Collipark for pushing them up to the nationals before they were ready. Dude needs to put down the Red Bull and get some good weed and mellow out.

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IRONMAN81 — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:11:40 GMT

Wonder why so many people gang up on Soulja Boy he isn't the first mediocre rapper to come along and besides he's just 18 he could always gets better maybe!?!? You know who is the wackest rapper to come out in the last ten years Nelly!!!!!!!!!! That nigga is in his 30's and he spits pure shit out his mouth every time. Seems like when Nelly came out some years back he didn't face this much hate and he was a grown ass man whom was literately saying nursery rhymes and the niggga beats were wack. Soulja Boy on the other hand does have some decent beats.

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EST — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:13:54 GMT

For me this highlights one of the biggest contradictions in hip hop and it's been going on since the very beginning, are sales a true refection of quality? Some would argue that just because you sell a lot doesn't mean your music is hot, some feel if a lot of people like it it's hot no matter what and others would argue that some of the best artists putting out quality material barely see gold. See I think sometimes the mainstream gets it right (Outkast) and they get it very very wrong (Vanilla Ice). Think about EPMD who used to proudly talk about their string of gold records in interviews and in their records meanwhile you could hear Redman spit "I want the gold then after that the platinum...", even Common has quotables alluding to his sales so its something that all artists think about. What SB needs to understand is that Nas is not the reason why his fans aren't supporting his record the way he would like them to, when you start blaming other people for what you are in complete control of namely your talent, you expose your lack of creativity. See I'm not knocking him I just think he caught lightning in a bottle like many other artists before him. 69 Boyz, 95 South, Quad City DJs, Tag Team and the list goes on of artists that had records that were hot to enough people to make them relevant to the hip hop discussion but I think Homegrown said something like who are you going to be listening to 20 years from now. I remember when 69 Boyz dropped that "Tootsie Roll" joint, it was a big record and knocked in every club but those of us that were around then should also remember something else that dropped that same year in 1994, Illmatic. I think its safe to say there are more people today listening to Illmatic than 69 Boyz even though they out-sold Nas that year. So no matter what happens with sales quality will always rise to the top because it has staying power proven over time.

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will rap 4 food — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 17:12:50 GMT

hip-hop isnt dead,its really close though.....hip-hop is in the hospital in a comma,and we just dont know when its going to wake up

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TonyMalibu — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:37:20 GMT

I agree with Soulja Boy that Nas is the one who killed Hip Hop. I been saying that no one knew that Hip Hop was dead until Nas pointed it out.

Everything has it's ups and downs...and it is without doubt that Hip Hop has been down lately. But is that a reason to kill it off? I never heard Willie Nelson get in the studio and say "Country Music Is Dead." I never heard Michael Jackson get in the studio and say "Pop Music Is Dead." I never heard Aretha Franklin get in the studio and say "R&B Music Is Dead." Each of these singers may have complained about the quality of music at some time or another, but they never killed their genre off.

Of all the Hip Hop greats...Jay-Z, LL Cool J, Tupac Shakur, The Notorious B.I.G., Ice Cube...no of them ever killed Hip Hop off. But along comes Nas, who's place in Hip Hop has oftentimes been questionable...and he declares Hip Hop Is Dead. WTF??????

To me, Nas is just a glorified version of Soulja Boy. They both suck. They both make the same kind of music, except Nas is a lot more clever and wittier with his lyrics. Before Nas claimed that Hip Hop was dead, he was on some Oochie Wally Wally, Owe Me Back, and Money Is My Bitch shit.

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KingCap — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:00:14 GMT

@
TonyMalibu

You sound STUPID!
"To me, Nas is just a glorified version of Soulja Boy"

GET OUT OF HERE!

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Rhymes2breathe — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:22:49 GMT

Nas didnt kill hip hop he exposed what was happening by giving it a face. If left up to all those other artists they would have been sitting around the table collectively dying, but when Nas said HHID a few ppl started getting there act together. A lot of the nay sayers were just pounding their chest to dis agree just to dis agree because at the time they had semi successful ventures jumping off.

But understand you cant hide from the truth this I remeber when albums poing gold and platnum was standard, 3mil 5mil the biggest monsters were shooting for diamond(10 million) you dont even hear that no more Lil Wayne did 2.5 million and that the most for hip hop this year thats sad.

The problem with hip hop is that it doesnt talk to the ppl no more it makes marketing slogans, it sells the artist but it doesnt say anything, and the companies are to scared to swing for the fences. Every song is some clubby sex love song, I have nothing against clubby sex love songs, but when thats all they make it dries out the relevance of the music.

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KingCap — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:26:41 GMT

"shelz said:
lol.... this is hardly a condemnation of soulja boys music. and for the people who keep sayin im one sided or biased....thats what editorial is for; the biased eye. if you want fair and balanced, read the news section.

i understand sb is entitiled to his opinion, but with opinion comes dissent. the whole point is the timing of the release of the video. no, he didnt say, nas is the reason my album didnt sell. but considering the fact that HHID came out almost 3 years ago and sb has been around for almost 2, i question why he now wants to jump on the bus.

as far as me trying to determine what is real hip hop and what isnt, thats something for you to decide. i dont synch your i-pod. you do that. so if you like sb great. but at some point everyone has to be accountable for what they say. hes entitiled to his opinion as much as i am."

Shelz, your article was good. And you are right. You are entitled to your opinion just like Soulja Boy is.

It's quite funny that people think Nas is "attacking" Soulja Boy just because he put out a track called "Hip Hop is Dead". Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't "Hip Hop is Dead" come out in 2006 and "Crank That" come out in 2007? So, how exactly did Nas direct that towards Soulja Boy? How did "Hip Hop is Dead" fuck up everyone's money, when "Crank That" sold 3 million downloads, Kanye and Lil Wayne had mega success with their albums, etc? There's a bit of contradiction in everything Soulja Boy said. Nas never said the South killed Hip Hop either. Hip Hop isn't just the music. It's a movement.

The people who are bigging up Soulja Boy are against Nas, with that "Nas lost" 1995 BS. It's clearly bias.

Everyone puts out some not-so-hot records or club records, but when 95% of your catalog is that, how can anybody take you seriously as an artist? So, to the person(s) who compared Nas to Soulja Boy, please STOP! You lost.

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TonyMalibu — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:49:08 GMT

KingCap said:
@
TonyMalibu

You sound STUPID!
"To me, Nas is just a glorified version of Soulja Boy"

GET OUT OF HERE!

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See...here's the thing with me. I don't mind a good debate...in fact, I welcome it. And if someone proves me wrong...I'll fess up to it (just ask those who have actually put up a strong debate with me). But the problem with 90% of the AHH community is that they don't use their brain. They let other people dictate what they believe, what to say, what to do, who's real and who's not, etc. These are the same dumb asses who feel that when someone brings up Tupac, they have to bring up Biggie even if Biggie has nothing to do with the topic.

@ King Cap...

Of my entire post, the only thing you could comment on was the fact that I said that "Nas was a glorified version of Soulja Boy?" Why don't you actually challenge some of the points I made in my comment and prove me wrong? Else...you get the fuck outta here!

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KingCap — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:06:07 GMT

"KingCap said:
@
TonyMalibu

You sound STUPID!
"To me, Nas is just a glorified version of Soulja Boy"

GET OUT OF HERE!

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See...here's the thing with me. I don't mind a good debate...in fact, I welcome it. And if someone proves me wrong...I'll fess up to it (just ask those who have actually put up a strong debate with me). But the problem with 90% of the AHH community is that they don't use their brain. They let other people dictate what they believe, what to say, what to do, who's real and who's not, etc. These are the same dumb asses who feel that when someone brings up Tupac, they have to bring up Biggie even if Biggie has nothing to do with the topic.

@ King Cap...

Of my entire post, the only thing you could comment on was the fact that I said that "Nas was a glorified version of Soulja Boy?" Why don't you actually challenge some of the points I made in my comment and prove me wrong? Else...you get the fuck outta here!"
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I am willing to have a debate. There's no problem with me doing so.

I don't agree with your post, simply because it's one-sided and biased. It's so transparent that you dislike Nas.

First off, I addressed your post in two different posts. Please double check.

How exactly did Nas destroy Hip Hop by saying that "Hip Hop is Dead"? Can you come up with a complete analysis of that?

People were saying Hip Hop was dead long before Nas even decided to touch up on it. That's another misconception that MFs in the AHH Ill Community and in general have. Never did Nas say that the South or any particular music artist killed Hip Hop. That makes me believe that you nor Soulja Boy anything about Nas or the meaning of what he was trying to say. It seems as if the South took offense to it. Why? That's the question. For Soulja Boy or anyone to say that Nas, a respected pioneer in Hip Hop, caused the state of Hip Hop to decline or die is ludicrous, and that's why many fans of Nas or Hip Hop fans in general took offense to Soulja Boy's remark.

Again, how is Nas a "glorified" version of Soulja Boy? Did Soulja Boy ever put out any material as close to 'Illmatic'? Has any rap legends put Soulja Boy as one of the greatest emcees to ever touch the mic? Has Soulja Boy ever received any praise from critics such as Rolling Stones? Has Soulja Boy been in the industry for 15 years with over 5 albums to his catalog? FUCK NO! So, don't even sit up here and discredit Nas, who has proven to be a respected emcee. DON'T!

Like I said earlier, every artist has some material that they aren't so proud of. Everyone put out club bangers or novelty songs, but when your WHOLE catalog is that way, how in the hell are you going to be taken seriously as an artist?

Sure, Nas has some novelty-type songs. Who the fuck doesn't? But where is Soulja Boy's "It Ain't Hard to Tell," "The World is Yours," "Hate Me Now," "One Mic," "I Can" etc?
Nas' music has been diverse since DAY 1. Soulja Boy's music is one-sided. So, there's no comparison, PERIOD!

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Breadwinnin101 — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:32:44 GMT

hip-hop is alive and well. but that is what happens when new niggas come. like 50 said "No More New Niggas!"

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TXTBOOK93 — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:57:44 GMT

I don't care if SB puts out a fuckin album with public enemy i'll never consider him Hip-Hop he's pop music plain and simple. Stop Trickin' and put some time in your music.

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mu$h da great — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:24:14 GMT

KingCap said:
@mu$h da great

Damn, man. Why are you even on this blog arguing everyone's point?

First off, no ones really mad that Soulja Boy is speaking the truth. It's the way he went about doing it.

He was speaking the truth about people following and repeating what their favorite rappers say.

HOWEVER, he said that "NAS KILLED HIP HOP". How exactly was he speaking the truth on that?

Although he had some good points, he lost for that comment, and that's people are going at him. When will you Soulja Boy protectors understand that?

To compare someone like Nas to someone like Bush is reaching. No one had a problem with him making a valid point, so stop missing the point at why so many Hip Hop heads are disgusted by his comments. People like to defend Soulja Boy because he's a KID, but when you make stupid claims like that on videotape, then expect for people to retaliate.
January 2, 2009 11:23 PM

@kingcap -lmao .....you seem a little intelligent ...really you could have answered your own question.why.....the same reason you felt compelled to address me...... cause you felt like what you thought had some merit nigga...... cause you didnt agree with some of the oppinions i or others gave....

far as somebody trying to defend that nigga, look at it how you want to but i really just defend my thoughts & how i feel it just so happens that i agree with a portion of what he was saying. had i not you might hear me saying something different.

you trying to speak for everybody saying that niggas is just irate cause the way he went about doing it. if you glance at a couple peoples responses that dont agree with what he said dont none of them make any mention of him him speaking the truth but just conflicting with the way he went about doing it but yours lol.

once again hes saying nas mentally killed hip hop because he is the one that pushed a slogan on to a mindless majority. you and i may be free thinkers but think about all of the lost soul mufuckers who are not.... mufuckers that listen to shit and believe that cause they idolize this nigga (by this nigga i mean any rapper that has the power to influence on grand scale, your jays, your tupacs,kanyes etc) that everything he says is the gospel...

look around the shit is evident that its a lot of brainless mufuckers out here......

do you own a pair a skinny jeans? .... did you just all of a sudden decide wearing neon colors was cool, do you rock scarves on top your head when its not even cold outside? is everything swagtastic, swaggerific or some variation of the word swagger to you? ill wait ......

hopefully not but do you see the point im makeing...

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mu$h da great — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:28:25 GMT

oh i forgot .... the midwest invasion will not be televised....its just gone come out of knowhere. mid 2009 2010 up & till who knows when...we got that balance...

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mu$h da great — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:32:11 GMT

maybe hes not the best candiate to deliver the message but the nigga had his thinking cap on when he said it.

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KingCap — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:44:35 GMT

Anybody who believes what someone else says without their own opinion is mindless. POINT BLANK!

Nas NEVER said Hip Hop was dead because Southern Rappers ruined it. But Southern rappers took offense to it for no apparent reason. They want to start an unnecessary beef that's not even worth fighting.

Soulja Boy had some points, but he lost when he said "Nas killed Hip Hop". If Nas so much killed Hip Hop and ruined everyone's money, then how come Soulja Boy made millions of that song, "Crank That"?

People don't even know what Nas meant when he said "Hip Hop is DEAD". That's why Soulja Boy shouldn't have said anything. Bottom _____________!

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mu$h da great — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:47:41 GMT

wahoos on my fitteds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PROeXu5ahh0&feature=related

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mu$h da great — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:57:51 GMT

@kingcap -ask yourself then do you consider crank that hip hop lol?

can you honestly say they took offense for no apparent reason?

okay nas didnt say but others have.... and its funny now cause a lot of these eastcoast cats are so thirsty to jump on some of these southern tracks to make thereselves relevant again.....not that its anything wrong with unity of all regions, cause thats the way it should be but why now....why not early 90's , mid 90's ....cause nigggas is oppurtunist...

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mu$h da great — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:59:45 GMT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tzSjtuMGOQ

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mu$h da great — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:05:27 GMT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxqUsqkPLt8

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mu$h da great — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:08:59 GMT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3EHSlrYEaI

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mu$h da great — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:11:46 GMT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA_vYv_zvX4

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gorgan — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:19:28 GMT

@ IRONMAN81 said:
Wonder why so many people gang up on Soulja Boy he isn't the first mediocre rapper to come along and besides he's just 18 he could always gets better maybe!?!? You know who is the wackest rapper to come out in the last ten years Nelly!!!!!!!!!! That nigga is in his 30's and he spits pure shit out his mouth every time. Seems like when Nelly came out some years back he didn't face this much hate and he was a grown ass man whom was literately saying nursery rhymes and the niggga beats were wack. Soulja Boy on the other hand does have some decent beats. GORGAN SAID: fortunately for Nelly there was no major internet usage like there is now when he was having his glory years . if the conflict he had with krs 1 was being played out now there would be a host of Krs1 fans who might not buy his records no more , but with internet access they could come on AHH.COM or other sites and state there disaproval of Nelly the net has been a double edged blade for Soulja Boy , he was able to manipulate Myspace and Youtube successfully to build his fanbase but now in 09 you can't go on no music related sites without people saying how wack he is @Tony Malibu you said Nas was a glorified Soulja Boy Gorgan said: wow heres a brief summary of Nas's resume Live at the Barbeque , Halftime , New York state of mind , Eye for an eye ft Mobb Deep and WuTang , Thieves Theme , I can , Destroy and rebuild I could go on and on and on but whats the point Nas is a product of Real HipHop A brief summary of Soulja Boy Crank that , Dude its either you hate Hip Hop or your ears are fucked up or you like wack shit THERE IS NOTHING TO DEBATE

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Cunique — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:33:10 GMT

corporate amerikkka killed hip hop....because they watered it down and over-saturated the genre with carbon copy ass rappers...they always looking for the next somebody instead of a new artist period.
souljah boy ran his mouth justa little too much...being young is not an excuse for ignorance.as i said in my last post i don't hate on him...just not feeling his comments or opinion.
he should've left it alone after the ice tee thing...but majority of black youths have a lack of respect for thier elders.just take alook at society and how they act.
for him to say nas killed hip hop was just crazy!!!!
every generation has a 1 hit wonder and he might be this generations.
last thought.....why is it that no one is allowed to disagree or dislike something without being called a hater?

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mu$h da great — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:34:04 GMT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXggOcUibWQ&feature=related

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KingCap — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:16:26 GMT

"@kingcap -ask yourself then do you consider crank that hip hop lol?

can you honestly say they took offense for no apparent reason?

okay nas didnt say but others have.... and its funny now cause a lot of these eastcoast cats are so thirsty to jump on some of these southern tracks to make thereselves relevant again.....not that its anything wrong with unity of all regions, cause thats the way it should be but why now....why not early 90's , mid 90's ....cause nigggas is oppurtunist..."

Do I consider "Crank That"? Easy---- NO, simply because it doesn't represent the TRUE definition of Hip Hop. Is it Hip Hop MUSIC---- YES, but it's not good Hip Hop music, IMO.

See, that's the misconception of the whole thing. People like Soulja Boy think that Hip Hop is just the MUSIC when it's not. That's part of the reason why I personally think today's artists aren't really Hip Hop Hop artists: they don't know the true definition.

Again, Nas never said Hip Hop MUSIC was dead. He never said the South killed Hip Hop, either. Just because someone else said it doesn't mean Nas meant it that way. Ice-T said Soulja Boy and other southern rappers killed Hip Hop. So, that's where their beef should be. PERIOD!

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MC_Scribe — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:18:43 GMT

yeah hip-hop defiantly exists just under the surface. weezy's mix tapes are so sick and a lot of great albums aren't getting credit like Emeritus. I defiantly think we have to look past people like souja boy when searching for hip-hop these days.

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BangKahuna — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 01:08:29 GMT

KingCap said:
When will people realize that Soulja Boy and his music are just fads? We had them all this decade (Dem Franchize Boyz, Young Dro, Yung Joc, D4L, Crime Mob, Huey, UNK, Shop Boyz, Young B). They all had huge hits, now where are they?

Soulja Boy is a pest. If you ignore him, then he'll go away. This is his way at getting attention.

I don't want any thinking I hate him. I do dislike his music and attitude, but I hate his arrogant immature ways.
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well wat it is, is the fact dat the d4l's and the franchizes first of all were completely controlled by the labels. comin from atlanta i kno dese niggas were makin dat kinda music as simply a local thing for the club, like how baltimore got dey club music n dc fuck wit go-go, den dem majors signed em kauze dey saw dey were gettin more attention den intended so dey sign em, put em out dere, den niggas from other regions think dass all we got 2 offer, blame da labels, dass y dese niggas not here now, kauze wen dey git on sum real shit n not dat fuck boi laffy taffy shit da labels dont wanna fuck wit em no mo kauze dey kno dey wont sell as much as if dey remained in dat gimmicky lane n Dro nice my nigg look into it, n dis aint a shot, um juss lettin u kno wat kinda bullshit da labels on down here
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to the nigga dat compared boosie n webbie to soulja boy, u smokin some kind of asteroid rocks kauze dey really really different, dont git em fucked up kauze of wipe me down, once again da label dictates wat comes out as a single n asylum chose dat, if boosie n webbie had an up north accent i guarantee many more niggas would fuck wit em, niggas too quick to not give nobody a chance nowadays

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kingbaba1 — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 01:36:25 GMT

Soulja Boy Tell Em get props from me. At least he made it while some of you clowns are mad that you still typing on this site wishing for a chance to get exposure. Internet geeks is what I called you. Some of you "interent thugs" are the biggest geeks in the world. Talking like you're Tony Soprano when you're actually Steve Urkel. SMH

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ThaFam313 — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 02:13:30 GMT

SOLJA BOY GONNA BE RAPPIN ABOUT TRAP MONEY IN 4 YEARS.. WATCH

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SagNasty989 — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 02:32:15 GMT

@ EA Da Gucci Wizard

CO-SIGN!!!!!!!! NUFF SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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b-girl — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 05:15:10 GMT

Take your hat off and stop shaving your eyebrows you goon-bag.

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prob_limbs — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 05:48:13 GMT

lol@ so called real hip hoppers laughing at soda roy's demise like he really was killing hip hop, yall dumb asses gave him to much credit,he had one song that really hit and muthafuccas made it seem like the music couldn't recover from it,hahaha please what killed soda roy was auto tune,when it became more annoying them him he didn't get mentioned as much anymore,so now auto-tune is the new soda roy,just like he was the new laffy taffy, keep bitching in 2009 hip hop haha yell

www.myspace.com/panhandoelrcorp

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BlackPeople 1 — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 06:22:59 GMT

judah, we gon talk about hip hop production.

maybe tomorrow.
or monday.

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BlackPeople 1 — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 06:53:24 GMT

the only SB i know is

SHAW BROTHERS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dkEHr1KIGY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkYcWQP5aNo

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El Terrible — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:57:15 GMT

@ Ackenaten

You hit on some real interesting points, as did some others on here, and your question regarding whether some of the older rappers would have got signed in todays climate is somewhat is an interesting one, one which is almost comparable to those "who would have won" boxing debates.

Now if you compare KRS-One, Nas, Ice Cube & Scarface, 4 MC's who are often mention in people's lists of GOAT's and look at their careers in terms of when they hit their peak, how long they stayed their and what they've achieved (musically) since, one could argue that KRS-One would probably be regarded as a flop... "Blasphemy" I hear you cry!

Now throw Rakim into that mix!

You see, music sold Hip Hop in 2008 and not Lyrical content, and out of the list above, all great Lyricists, it's the one's who have "moved with the times" as far as beat selection, or those who have found that "safe" niche.

In fact, since P Diddy started Bad Boy, this has been the case ... Just go back and look at how he made it cool for men to dress up and dance instead of dress like a street thug and mean mug.

Hip Hop, as far as the elements go, is in a bad way because every aspect of it has been commercialised and, unfortunately, the conveyor belt from the street to the masses comparable to redesigning the Nike Air Force 1 and calling them Icecream's or Pastries; to the newbie it's a must have, to the older heads it just a variation on a tried and test theme.

Now we have reality Rapper shows, Reality Dance off shows, Celebrity Graf artists and Mark Ronson (every non-hip hop loving person's favourite Hip Hop DJ - in the UK anyhow).

The internet has been Hip Hop's best friend and worst enemy, it's something that us folks over 35 need to accept, it will never be the same again, but we have choices; listen to old stuff, seek out new stuff we like or stop listening, we should never say it's dead though, as long as it's in our veins, as long as we still have appreciation for it, as long as we look at old footage and get nostalgic, as long as it affects the way we go about our daily lives because it is a way of life, whether your jeans are baggy or tight!

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v4vendetta — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:20:01 GMT

It was a bad quarter for him to drop.. He would've done better if he had dropped when Ice T told him to you know.. That's the time to have dropped. Plus the economy and lagging music sales play a role in this. Not to mention the teeny-boppers whose parents have lost their jobs, homes, 401ks and are a little bit poorer than when his first album dropped might've impacted his poor sales too.. See folk don't wanna see you brag and flaunt what little wealth you have, you have to be more humble and even flip it around by making a fly song about how much you are grinding as a result of the economic downturn. How you sold your bentley and jewels to stack properly. Kids and adults would appreciate that.

Salute.

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v4vendetta — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:27:43 GMT

Coming up with new dances put him in constraints..now it's like he has to be the leader of new dances..Too much pressure.

Too gimmicky. He needs to switch it up.

Salute.

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Replay917 — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:39:05 GMT

You all got to know that as far as Nas' "Hip Hop Is Dead" thing goes, whether or not you agree, the debate shot right to center stage as soon as Nas brought it up and has stayed for the last two years. Obviously, there's enough there to fuel the debate.

What Nas did was very brilliant, in my opinion - he exploited the fact that in commercial terms, hip hop is NOT dead and in fact is the world's leading commercial music industry, in order to issue a challenge to what he felt was a declining lyrical and musical quality in hip hop as an art form. Hip hop's sales aren't really hurting any more than anyone else in the music industry - which is really to say, they are hurting substantially due to the Internet, but that in no way implies that anybody is listening to less hip hop music, rather the opposite. Hip hop's exposure is actually unprecedented right now, which means that literally probably hundreds of millions of people had the chance to take that opinion and turn it over for themselves, and to analyze the proposition that all the reality-rapper shows and the publicity and the money and fame for the sake of money and fame are killing the game in some ways.

I personally think hip hop is alive and well, but to find it you have to get outside of just the radio and start going to local clubs where talented local artists are trying to rock that shit. Everyone in America is way focused on fame, being big, being big for the sake of being big. Shit can be cancerous. I went to local clubs all last year and haven't been able to this year and I miss it, because that IS closer to what the real heart and soul of music is IMO, when nothing is sanitized for you and you actually go out and see how people put their shit down and might catch a shitty opening act but might also find music you'd never have found which can become much more a part of your personal experience than some mass-produced lowest-common-denominator major-label play for your dollar.

If you want to "fix" hip hop, screw the overcommercialization and the major-label pissing matches and time-wasting lawsuits and all that shit, get back to the block and the corner and the local spots and start putting positive energy into the local scene instead of spending a lot of time putting negative energy into the national one. Besides, won't nobody be able to sell an album in ten years anyway. Everyone who actually buys most of their music still is gonna be dead in twenty years or so probably anyway, because you know our generation ain't doing it. That means the only good way to make money rapping is GOING to be with live shows (other than shilling and being a corporate whore...I'm conflicted as to how much I feel that would be a "good" way to make money rapping), so we all better bring it back to the real live local game in some ways if we want this culture to thrive.

Get back to the corner. That's what it's all about, really. Hip hop ain't dead, but it might not be in the place you're looking for it.

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BE'N ORIGINAL — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:39:16 GMT

I believe what the writer was expressing is that at the end of the day SB should follow the same advice he is offering Nas. If hiphop is dead then bring it back to life.

Everyone has their own standard on what rap is (the term hip-hop is misused a lot). Much like Dipset's pink shirts, or thugs snapping their fingers like girls at an ATL bus stop, people know gimmicks don't last. Time is the absolute test of where you stand in this BUSINESS. Lil Mama was far more talented and she didn't fare to well in sales. Even Biz Markie and Kane, with all respect due watched their careers fade.

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Sinistah aka Sin Piffcaso — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:32:37 GMT

lmaoooooo!

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ArmyThug — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:48:31 GMT

@ Shelby Powell

I could feel your hate towards SB. Was it really necessary?

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Hoeyuno — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:24:25 GMT

Yall got to listen to a song from tech n9ne called "cry babies". thats where soulja boy got this whole courage and comment about nas from. and i totally agree that not a 17 year old rapper nor a 30 somethin rapper killed hiphop. hiphop is alive and well, i hear new songs from my favourite artists all the time. but the money in hiphop is not the same and how could it be with sources like limewire.......oNe

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KingCap — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:35:23 GMT

So, do you guys actually think Nas is the cause of "Hip Hop dying"?

I ask because Hip Hop has been the same for the past two years, since the album and song dropped. So, I don't see how Nas destroyed Hip Hop. I definitely don't see how he messed up other people's money.

The question is how come Soulja Boy spoke on it two years after the song dropped, when the song and dropped months before his first single was released?

Can someone explain that?

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KOutlawNo1 — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:40:30 GMT

The fact that his 2nd album flopped is a sure sign that Hip Hop is NOT dead. Finally, folks are getting tired of the bull. Let this one hit wonder's career die in piece.

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King Braswell27 — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:37:52 GMT

Im not hating on sb are anything but lets keep it real. Im not gonna say he's not hip hop but he dont talk about $h*t. Anybody with any kind of grind could do what he's doing. The lyrics are cheap. The beats are simple but its not his fault. There is somebody out there bumping that ish. I can understand how a 16 year old would buy that ish but not a grown A$$ man. Im from Macon,ga, an hour away from the Atl. I think that some of the stuff thats comin from the south is dumbing down hip hop. These nigs making these beats down here are just throwing some ish 2gether with some 808's and cheap syths calling it muzik. The fact is that we let these nigs make these cheap @$$ songs and go to the club and snap and shake our @$$ like some h**S. And now all of the so called Best rappers alive are on some dance ish. Im not saying nigs cant have a good time but how u gonna be a trap star and a killa and every video from your album is in a Mf'en club. Somebody talk 2 me.

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King Braswell27 — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:02:35 GMT

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

Is it reallyou — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:08:11 GMT

Neither Soilja Boy nor the other southern rappers killed hip hop. What is killing hip hop is the MAJORITY of the artists themselves. Just look at the greed, obsession with money and materialism that these artists posses. And add that to the fact of their blantant need to show people how rich they are..

Ask your self this. Do you appreciate hearing about a rapper who talks about how much money they got, always makes it rain in the club but never do anything to help the poor and un fortunate people, whom at one time, they once were? The same poor people who support these artist's music are being slapped in the face for the appreciation, by these artist who spend thousands to millions on jewlerly, cars and chicks always talking about how rich they are and how poor others are. Then these same artists got the nerve to complain that its a ressission. Its people spending their last 15 bucks to by a cd and these artist are literally throwing that money away.

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

Is it reallyou — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:24:46 GMT

Hip hop has turned to the millionair boys club where you basically have artists, who are actually bragging to other artists, in their music, about how much money they have.

I have to admitt, when rappers first started talking about getting money it was amusing and entertaining because for so long, rappers were pimped by the major record labels. We cheered these rappers and their accomplishments because we were happy for them, but now, instead of trully giving back to the same poor comminuties that fed them, they are constantly taking away and not giving back.

During Katrina, none of those southern rappers did anything to help those people. Those same rappers from the NO moved to Miami, totally forgetting about the people who got them to where they are. They just redirected the blame on Bush and FEMA, but in reality, THESE WERE YOUR PEOPLE TO. You were once broke but you do not give a fuck about us. And this is just one example out of many.

These "G's" are bleeding the poor neighborhoods dry, just like they were doing when they hustled crack. And we are supposed to feel sorry for them when their album flops or when they complain about a recession. Maybe if you hadn't wasted all of the "little 15 bucks per cd" that you were given you might not have had that problem.

May be if you would have given back to your communities to uplift them, then maybe, people would have the means to buy your music. Putting your crew on with manager jobs and supplying the hood with coke is not giving back to the community. It is another futile attempt to stroke your own ego, in actuality, you're just bleeding the poor neighbor hoods even further.

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

Is it reallyou — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:44:40 GMT

These rappers are worse than any racism that could be applied to the black communities. You are just as bad as the Republican party. You do not care about us. You only care about your money and comfort and you do not care how many people suffer in order for you to get money. And you constantly redirect the blame on white folks but its not the white folks thats doing this. YOU ARE PERPETUATING THE "VIOLENCE AT ALL COSTS" mentality in your music. Instead of teaching another way, you are doing the slave masters job for them.. You are all just a bunch of "House Niggas" holding the whip and the 30/30 rifle, shooting any field nigga that tries to get away or teach others how to be free (mentally). Thats why NAS made the NIGGER album, thats why he said Hip Hop is dead. Hip Hop was supposed to free us and those that got free, turned around and enslaved the rest of us.

Rappers are killing Hip Hop. I'm a 70's baby and I love Hip Hop to my inner core. I was there when "rappin" first started and I hurt when I say this, but I hope Hip Hop dies and all of these "rappers" go down with the ship. I can listen to Jazz and get that same feeling that I got when a Guru produced record came on.

Any rapper that glamorizes violence, selling drugs, reckless spending and any other money getting at all cost, needs to go down. Fuck buying their music and putting another diamond chain around their neck or rims on their whip for them to bragg about what they got and what we dont got. Do they know how many Africans (blacks) died to get those diamonds that they are wearing?

I'm not rich and I probably never will be, but I do not need a hand out from nobody. Im not hating on those "rich" artist, BUT 90% of their listening audience is poor. How long do you think we want to hear about how much money that niggas are getting. Its becoming old.

Let these rappers keep talking. Its alot of special forces trained, ex military types who are in the hood broke, and stalking and hunting down rappers and their weak ass, non shooting straight security. These doods got families to feed and these rappers are easy. It dont matter home many goons you got around you. A trained one shot, one kill person could handle goons easily. Its as easy as taking holloween candy baskets from kids. How long will it be before ever artist and their families become targets? I'm not making threats because Im not what I described, but I got ears and I hear things, ya know!!!

So HIP HOP go ahead and die so that the underground can resurect you back to life. Back to the days it was about the love, not the money.

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

Is it reallyou — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:06:45 GMT

kingbaba1 said:
Soulja Boy Tell Em get props from me. At least he made it while some of you clowns are mad that you still typing on this site wishing for a chance to get exposure. Internet geeks is what I called you. Some of you "interent thugs" are the biggest geeks in the world. Talking like you're Tony Soprano when you're actually Steve Urkel. SMH ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You must be another part of the Soulja Boy media team/ chearing squad. I admit some of these folks on these boards need to get a life. I access this from my Corporate Blackberry. You would be suprised by the people who casually check this site. Im slightly amused by people and the rumors that get started. Soulja Boy made it, true indeed, but its people out here who are checking all of these rappers resumes and these rappers are getting called in for involuntary interviews.

I hope Soulja Boy got a good money manager.. Do any body remember Bel Biv Devo's artist MC. Brains? I do, and I see what a "crank dat Superman" type nigga can be if he aint smart. We'll see where me and a "Soulja Boy type nigga" compare when it comes to money in the long run, like 20 years from now. Being a snap and dance artist don't last forever. What some of us corporate thugs do, will last for ever.

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

jmills2006 — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:27:35 GMT

Mane some of these people be hatin on this guy for no reason. Let that mane get his paper. Nobody payin attention to lyricism in the club and thats what soulja boy make music for. the club. I seen the people talking bout hip hop aint what it was 20 years ago, but back then god damn kid n play and digital underground was making the same non lyrical dance shit and it got people hype. Did hip hop die then too, or are old ass niggas hatin on a young cat gettin paper?

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re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

YoungAli — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:32:11 GMT

I agree with Its really you on most of what he says, but I disagree with him on one point. The south has killed hiphop now there are awesome southern rappers like scarface, outkast, youngbloodz,luda,and the goodie mob (then they were together). Maybe I'm forgetting a one or two more people but after that there is a huge drop in talent.

Like Its really you said I really do pray that soulja boy invested his money well because in 10 years soulja boy might be "soulja broke". Taking that long one hit wonder road that many artists have had over the years.

What soulja boy did for pop music is to show that ANYONE and I do mean ANYONE can come out with a hit song and get over. Soulja boy has given people with no talent hope that they could catch lighting in a bottle and gimmick their way onto the scene. So the so called "Tony Soprano's" of the net as one guy called them on here have a chance to make it big to.

And I have one question? If someone is telling the truth are they hating?? Is telling the truth hating now?

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

Is it reallyou — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 23:02:39 GMT

@ jmills2006

I didn't like that Kid and Play, Digital Underground shit either. SMH

Read my comments, because I do not blame it on a coast or Soulja Boy.. Its rappers as a whole. Soulja Boy has done and said some retarded shit that has made him an easy target. He's like the Sarah Palin of Hip Hop

@YoungAli

I dont believe its the South's fault, they make music that people want to here. Whats killing Hip Hop is the bussiness that has nothing to do with making music. Niggas get some money and they dont know how to act. Like Dave Chappelle's Rick james charater "They should have neva gave you niggas money"

Its just like what gets said when blacks move into the suburbs..... "let them niggers move in and they fuck it all up"- quoted from some racist Whitey

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

MoonchyldTwy — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 23:21:47 GMT

i agree w/Kingbaba. that's the truth right there. isitreallyyou also got a mind. i don't have to comment you both hit the spot in my head

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

BAHIR ALLAH — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:28:46 GMT

FOR ONE THING TAKE MONEY OUT BECAUSE HIP HOP IS NOT ABOUT MONEY SO TAKE THE RECORD INDUSTRY OUT ALL TOGETHER. LIKE I SAID BEFORE THERE ARE RULES TO HIP HOP. IT'S A CULTURE PERIOD. THAT'S WHY WHAT HE SAID MAKES NO SENSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE RICH TO BE IN ANY OTHER CULTURE(DEFINITION OF CULTUREIS: THR IDEAS, CUSTOMS,SKILLS,ARTS,ETC OF A GIVEN PEOPLE IN A GIVEN PERIOD) YOUNG DUDES WHO JUST HOP IN THIS DON'T PRACTICE WHAT THE OLDER HEADS HAVE GROWN TO LOVE AND EMBRACE. TO ALOT OF THEM THEY THINK IT'S ALL ABOUT THE $ OR HOW MANY CHICKS THEY GOT OR HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY KILL OR JUST HOW MUCH THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT NOBODY BUT THEMSELVES AND THATS SAD OF COURSE ITS ALL ON WAX BUT YOUR WORDS SHOULD REP YOU TO THE FULLEST BUT ALOT OF YALL PUT ON A FRONT. BITING IS LEGAL NOW MC'S DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT SHIT.GOD KNOWS WHERE THE REAL DJ,S HAVE GONE WHAT ABOUT GRAFITTI ARTIST IN THE MAINSTREAM ASK A SOUL BOY OR A GUCCI MANE OR A SHWTY LO FAN TO NAME ONE WITHOUT GOOGLEING THEM. YOU LEARN ALL YOUR LIFE ABOUT PEOPLE WHO CAME BEFORE US IN US HISTORY AND FOR OUR OWN CULTURE YOUNG DUDES CAN'T TELL YOU WHO COOL HERC IS OR NAME A BUSY BEE JOINT NEVER SEEN WILD STYLES BEAT STREET KNOW WHO FUNKY 4 PLUS ONE, COLD CRUSH,GRANDMASTER FLASH AND THE FURIOUS 5,BUT THEY KNOW WHO THE FIRST PRESIDENT IS AND WHO WROTE THE STAR SPANGLE BANNER. I WISH HIP HOP WOULD DIE YOU HAVE TO DESTROY IN ORDER TO BUILD.

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

Sean Stylez — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:02:14 GMT

the economy killed hip-hop

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

magicman791 — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:30:14 GMT

Hip Hop ain't dead just creativity and originality

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

MainManMoon — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 03:45:50 GMT

creativity and originality is hip-hop, it's what makes hip-hop so popular...anyway, as long as niggas like nas, jay-z, outkast, dr. dre, eminem, fabolous, cassidy, etc. are still making music then it would hard for hip-hop to die, but without these dudes, and niggas like souljaboy running free with no kinda "substance police" in the game hip-hop WOULD certainly die. Nas is one of the G.O.A.T.s of the game and the fact that he has not moved to the side to make way for all these new "empty emcees" is what is keeping hip-hop alive. I hope SB didn't think he was a heavyweight in the game cuz he ain't and ain't neva gonna be..

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

BeatzGrymm — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 06:07:31 GMT

TonyMalibu....eat a dick!!! I was waiting for your bitch ass to speak on Nas. Nas a glorified SB?! Nigga, you on some kind of drug. That lil nigga could only wish to be Nas. And as for you....keep hatin. Every time I see you comment about anything, I'm gettin atchu!! Pussy!!!!! And I don't usually comment.

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

BeatzGrymm — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 06:12:48 GMT

And you can't debate with a biased idiot like Phony Malibu!!! Get at me bitch!

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

ClaudeBanks — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 06:16:20 GMT

We talking about Souljaboy, not a real emcee, not a real emcee, not a real emcee, but Souljaboy..... I know Souljaboy might be important to some people, but we talking about Souljaboy man, what are we talking about? Souljaboy? We talking about Souljaboy man..... Ya'll get the point!

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

SilentMurder87 — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 06:50:17 GMT

I created an account just to comment on this. First, I'm not going to bash on SB and say the typical "oh he killed hip-hop, he wack" and all that blahzay because I think he just brings a different style to the game. Not all rappers have to have the crazy lyrical wordplay of a Rakim, Nas, Pac etc. in order to be accepted. Yea, SB is def not the greatest rapper but everyone in here tried to do that damn SouljaBoy dance at least once! Every hip-hop generation has a novelty rapper.. and in the current one SB is playing that role and I'm not hating on him for doing his thing.

But... I don't appreciate how he's just going to go at Nas for his album flopping, especially after how Nas (along with Kanye West... who compared him to Nas *not for lyrical play.. but how the drum pan in "Crank Dat" were similar to the ones used in "Silent Murder" but still one heck of a comparison to make) was one of the very few rappers that were defending the kid. Now, I as much as every one else in here would like to see an Ether 2, I really don't think Nas should waste it on SB.. just laugh it off and do like A Tribe Called Quest says "Keep It Moving"

Oh... and who in the blue hell is the dude who said "Nas is a glorified SB".. voicing your discontent for Nas is one thing, you don't have to like him it's your prerogative.. but that is just pure unfounded hating (listing all of Nas' "pop-ish" songs, while somehow overlooking "The World Is Yours", "Nas Is Like", "NY State of Mind" etc, don't feel like naming all of them)and borderline dickriding for whatever rapper you listen to (I really hope it's not 50 or SB.. please say Jay-Z or something) Just saying, even though Silent Murder is one of my favorite songs (hence my name) I enjoy hip-hop from a variety of people from every region (Yes.. I don't hate on the south, garbage music comes from everywhere.. people point at them because they are the ones on top right now.. and I'm proud of them for fulfilling Andre 3000's prophecy of southern hip-hop he made back at the 1995 Source Awards)

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

YoungAli — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:04:24 GMT

If you heard with I said It is really you is that I disagree with you on one point. And that point was, that I think that the south not all of the rappers from their but the majority of them are trying to drive the death nail into hiphop. I'm no "old guy" I'm 23 I've seen house party with kid and play I know who humpy hump is, and they still have more skill than most of new wave of Southern rappers out right now.

Now to the point of Sarah Palin put herself into harms way just like Soulja Boy, she should have boned up on some geography and known that africa was a continent and know some names of some major newspapers. Just like soulja boy should have gotten some talent before he started his pop career. We know Sarah "you betta" Palin didn't lose it for John McCain it was the brand and the message. And just like how the Republicans lost their base that is what hiphop is doing to its fans now.

Soulja boy has made his money and I hope he invested it well. I have no ill will towards the guy I'm just very happy he is starting to go the way of the dodo.

I agreed with almost all you said

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

BangKahuna — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:17:49 GMT

i feel wat a lot of people are sayin but i got a question n no i dont fuck wit soulja boi like dat but, why are people expecting a self-proclaimed "club rapper" to be lyrical or to have deep content, its like "nigga techno" lol, aint nobody checkin for his wordplay so for people to b trippin so hard, it aint evn dat serious, he make music for the club n down here (Atlanta, College Park, Zone 3, Ol Nat' Salutations lol) niggas dont evn fuck wit his shit like dat, well besides "Donk" kauze da females b twerkin, n dass wat a lot of rap acts down here do, dey club rappers dat blow up cause da labels choose for them too. The south got so many niggas dat really spit but dey dont get da push for instance:

Texas got niggas like Trae, Ro, Cham, Mookie Jones (Born In NY but been livin n reppin houston),Slim Thug, da obvious like Face, Dev n em ok da Lou got niggas like Boosie n Webbie can actually rap if yall dont pay attention to dey singles dem niggas go hard, Wayne, Gizzle, Currency bama got niggas like Rich Boy, da Mobillionaires. Georgia got B.o.B.,Stat, Luda, Tip, Yung LA, Dro, Da Legends like Kast, Goodie Mob, Bo Hagon n sum mo,Florida got niggas dat spit too, kant forget Ball n G, Yo Gotti n em n dass juss off da dome while eatin my cinnamon toast crunch, but dese niggas dont get no push instead we got niggas dat b on dat laffy taffy shit, we don't control dat

Don't Blame the South, Blame dem ol ass white men pushin dat garbage

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re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

mu$h da great — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 13:22:46 GMT

one artist is not capable of killing a movement .......not with his music, not with his words........no matter what happens it will continue to exist. just cause its not in the forfront does not mean its not there.if your looking for it you will find it.

@kingcap -

why would anybody talk about the long term affects of what nas said right after the single was released? .....key words long term....

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

KingCap — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 14:55:24 GMT

"@kingcap -

why would anybody talk about the long term affects of what nas said right after the single was released? .....key words long term.... "

What long term effects?

I don't see how Hip Hip is any different now than it was when Nas released that statement. So, what are you saying? There are no long term effects. There are simply no changes since it's been said. Just a bunch of her feelings from Southern Rappers.

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

KingCap — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 14:58:55 GMT

EDIT:

"@kingcap -

why would anybody talk about the long term affects of what nas said right after the single was released? .....key words long term.... "

What long term effects?

I don't see how Hip Hip is any different now than it was when Nas released that statement. So, what are you saying? There are no long term effects. There are simply no changes since it's been said. Just a bunch of hurt feelings from Southern Rappers.

How exactly did Nas' "statement" have a long term effect on Hip Hop? Elaborate!

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

mu$h da great — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:07:23 GMT

lol we been on this shit for a minute....

naaw personally I don't think it did ether..... that's what I've been sayin , I don't believe that notion (hhid) other than fact that a bunch of followers decided to take it & run with it nothing has really changed. mainstream rap is still just that, hip hop lives & breaths its just not as broadcasted or embraced by the masses so it might appear to some who aren't looking at the bigger picture that the artform is dead or dying.contrary to me disagreeing with what nas said he is one of my favorite artist, I just have my own oppinion about shit. like everybody should.not to say that if you agree with hhid your a follower but come to your own conclusion, don't be blinded & brainwashed in to thinking something soley because someone you admire or relate to for whatever reason says it..... that goes for anything.

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

KingCap — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:02:05 GMT

I said this a hundred times before and I will say it again. Nas probably didn't even mean what most people thought he meant when he said "Hip Hop is Dead". A lot of rappers thought that way before Nas said it. Once Nas decided to do an actual record about it, that's when people started taking offense to it. I didn't hear anything in that song that said that the rappers of today killed Hip Hop. Southern Rappers or just rappers today took offense to it because their music was on top at the time.

Knowing Nas, he probably thought the government or corporate America "killed" Hip Hop. "Hip Hop is Dead" could have been a figure of speech or whichever way each individual took it. But I don't see how that's any different from people actually believing Soulja Boy saying that "Nas killed Hip Hop". Mentally or physically, Nas didn't kill Hip Hop, so Soulja Boy lost with that statement. I noticed that a lot of Soulja Boy supporters or just plain Nas haters (there are a lot on SOHH and AHH) supported Soulja Boy's point but never really acknowledged the fact that he claimed Nas killed Hip Hop.

To be quite honest with you, I never been a Soulja Boy hater or fan. I did like his dance. I even know how to do it. LOL But I can't really take anything he says seriously, simply because of the "slave master" remark. He also claimed that he would be a better influence on younger kids, yet he's still making videos using vulgarity. Now, since his album flopped or didn't perform as expected, he makes this video trying to blame a Hip Hop legend for the state of Hip Hop. You all could co-sign because I know a lot of you are Nas haters. Y'all are not really Soulja Boy fans.

Nas is actually proving his theory wrong. If Soulja Boy's second album is already struggling on the charts, then that proves that Hip Hop is still alive and that novelty rappers/singers are just for the moment. You can't do the "Crank That" or the "Bird Walk" for your career. Longevity is the key. Get your money while you can. I ain't mad at a black kid getting his cash. I actually promote it. At the end of the day, the "real" Hip Hoppers will be the ones still standing. I actually dare someone to challenge my former statement. I will come up with MANY examples of this happening, and Nas would be part of the equation.

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

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re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

Codac504 — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:28:24 GMT

Let's really think this thru...the talk over the last few years in music is "WHO KILLED HIP HOP?" Everyone seems to quickly point the finger at soulja boy but is he really the assasin? I thought Hip Hop was about change...he changed the game didn't he? Are we all forgetting that arguably one of the "GREATEST RAPPERS OF ALL TIME" was a BACKGROUND DANCER doing the HUMPTY DANCE which was a pretty BIG song during the so called "glory years" of hip hop and nobody questioned how GANGSTER he was either. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of soulja boy but I respect his hustle...shit he rap bout as good as Young Jeezy when he first came out in my opinion...Jeezy jus certified in the streets. Truthfully if you want blame anybody it would be the fans who buy the music that everyone supposedly hates...lastly, if the people who say they love "REAL HIP HOP" (check out my shit) so much purchased the shit, talented artist wouldn't have to make party (bullshit) music...I may be wrong...but if it was only about making good music I WOULD BE THE MOTHA FUCKIN MAN

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

Syndrical — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:46:57 GMT

Hip-Hop ain't dead.
Rap is.

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

mu$h da great — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:14:49 GMT

kingcap said:

Nas is actually proving his theory wrong. If Soulja Boy's second album is already struggling on the charts, then that proves that Hip Hop is still alive and that novelty rappers/singers are just for the moment. You can't do the "Crank That" or the "Bird Walk" for your career.

nas is proving his theory wrong?....hip hop isn't dead now lol?....... I guess man ......you flip flopped on me. if you thought the notion was incorrect why question the oppinions of those who felt the same ? from jump that has been the the main focus of what I've been saying ........ I'm through though.....

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

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re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

riches808 — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:39:46 GMT

oh! souljah infant what to say what to say. thanks god the tens that i know who are into hip hop because of the art and not the shit you on dont listen to crap that you put out. if there is an album that would describe to some one out of ny and wanted to learn about ny hip hop (you guessed it i would direct them to a classic NASTY NAS album ...... people fill in the blanks of the album title i_ _ _ _ _ _ _. ok souljahinfact it's ILLMATIC i know you couldn't get it corny ass niggaaaaaa
rhd808nyc bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

KingCap — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:18:42 GMT

"mu$h da great said:
nas is proving his theory wrong?....hip hop isn't dead now lol?....... I guess man ......you flip flopped on me. if you thought the notion was incorrect why question the oppinions of those who felt the same ? from jump that has been the the main focus of what I've been saying ........ I'm through though....."

What the hell are you talking about? When did I ever say that Hip Hop was dead or wasn't dead? Nas is one who believes that for whatever reason. Not me. I do think Hip Hop is in a low state. Since everyone THINKS Nas is referring to the Southerners when he says Hip Hop is dead, then I think it's safe to say that Hip Hop is no longer dead since all the Southerners are suffering on the charts. Never did I say that I believe Hip Hop was or wasn't dead. READING IS FUNDAMENTAL PEOPLE. And sir, you were done when you started reading things that weren't there. I always stick with my word. I never contradict myself.

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Hotgirl1 — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:52:04 GMT

SB is a perfect example of a young man who got a tremendous amount of success in his youth and is just naive about many things. I personally think he is lashing out because so many rappers target him and insult him all the time. I am not much of a fan of SB's but I do commend him for being on his grind so young. I mean face it people, he would not be popular if people didn't want to hear him.

I think what people need to understand is that there is a new generation and that is what they like to hear. Am I the only one who has noticed that many people who were really popular like 5 years ago are flopping left and right now (Nelly, Ashanti, Usher, Brandy, 50 Cent, etc.). Even Beyonce is not selling like she used to. The tweens and teens want to see SB, Rhihanna, Chris Brown and all these other young acts. It is the cycle of music....we get older and the new stuff sounds like trash and the young kids think it is the best stuff ever. Do you all not recall our parents thinking everything we liked was trash and was "real music"? It's the same type of thing. As long as no one is getting hurt..I really don't care one way or the other.

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BoogiedownGOD — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:56:08 GMT

SOULJAH BOY is a fuckin CLOWN ! Why is HIPHOP measured & judged by these YOUTHS in terms of SALES? WHY is HIPHOP = RAP? NAS NEEDS TO BITCH SMACK that nigga SOULJAH BOY with a copy of ILLMATIC, because that album came out in '94, & ain't
go PLATINUM until the NEW MILLENIUM...& that's AIN'T a dis either, because THAT ALBUM TRANSCENDED IT'S OWN GENERATION ! LMAO ! NAS HAS BEEN THAT NIGGA FOR THAT LONG, BABY ! LET'S SEE TOY SOLDIER DO THAT! The NEXT generation won't have a CLUE as to who the hell HE is, but U BEST BELIEVE THEY'LL KNOW ABOUT NAS !

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

DJ DI — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:28:54 GMT

I can't sit back and let this pass:

This is the real. It's more of the disrespect for Soulja Boy more than anything. Listen, Nas is top five dead or alive. For Soulja Boy to even assume that Nas killed hip-hop is crazy. One hit versus numerous. Lyrics that made dudes want to rap. Name one nigga that wanna rap cause of Soulja Boy? This ain't about record sales cause if that's the case, then ya' might as well put Hammer in the G.O.A.T convo. The respect for the art form is dying. That's what this is about. We had this same discussion when Nelly dissed Krs-One. The younger generation doesn't give a fuck about the elders in the game. Niggaz want the money, the women, and the fame. Kool Herc didn't sacrifice his life so niggaz can abuse this shit, but that's what is happening. Soulja Boy won't last long, especially after this shit.

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

TonyMalibu — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:24:22 GMT

King Cap said:

I am willing to have a debate. There's no problem with me doing so.

I don't agree with your post, simply because it's one-sided and biased. It's so transparent that you dislike Nas.

First off, I addressed your post in two different posts. Please double check.

How exactly did Nas destroy Hip Hop by saying that "Hip Hop is Dead"? Can you come up with a complete analysis of that?

People were saying Hip Hop was dead long before Nas even decided to touch up on it. That's another misconception that MFs in the AHH Ill Community and in general have. Never did Nas say that the South or any particular music artist killed Hip Hop. That makes me believe that you nor Soulja Boy anything about Nas or the meaning of what he was trying to say. It seems as if the South took offense to it. Why? That's the question. For Soulja Boy or anyone to say that Nas, a respected pioneer in Hip Hop, caused the state of Hip Hop to decline or die is ludicrous, and that's why many fans of Nas or Hip Hop fans in general took offense to Soulja Boy's remark.

Again, how is Nas a "glorified" version of Soulja Boy? Did Soulja Boy ever put out any material as close to 'Illmatic'? Has any rap legends put Soulja Boy as one of the greatest emcees to ever touch the mic? Has Soulja Boy ever received any praise from critics such as Rolling Stones? Has Soulja Boy been in the industry for 15 years with over 5 albums to his catalog? FUCK NO! So, don't even sit up here and discredit Nas, who has proven to be a respected emcee. DON'T!

Like I said earlier, every artist has some material that they aren't so proud of. Everyone put out club bangers or novelty songs, but when your WHOLE catalog is that way, how in the hell are you going to be taken seriously as an artist?

Sure, Nas has some novelty-type songs. Who the fuck doesn't? But where is Soulja Boy's "It Ain't Hard to Tell," "The World is Yours," "Hate Me Now," "One Mic," "I Can" etc?
Nas' music has been diverse since DAY 1. Soulja Boy's music is one-sided. So, there's no comparison, PERIOD!

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Damn, I'm late responding! LOL. But maybe you'll get it, maybe you won't.

Yes...I think it's pretty clear that I dislike Nas. I think all of AHH knows this too! I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO LOVE FOR NASIR JONES!! But...

That hasn't stopped me from giving him his props. In fact, EARLY NAS is one of my favorite emcees. It Was Written, Stillmatic, and Lost Tapes are some of my favorite hip hop albums PERIOD (even though I haven't been able to listen to them since HHID). What I don't like is the fact that Nas has clearly traded his mic skills in for shock value. His last two albums were promoted through controversy and hype, and when they came out...it sizzled for a minute then fizzed the fuck out! HHID and Nigger were clearly shock value efforts. Waging war with FAUX News was a shock value effort...how suprising was it that he did this right around the time he changed the name of his album and needed some more controversy to fuel his project? And in the end...what did he accomplish.

Nas has talent...I've never denied that. But Nas got ya'll cats fooled. That bitch ain't no activist! He ain't the GOAT either. He's a washed-up emcee trying to sell records. That's it...nothing more than that.

I have my reasons why I believe Nas killed Hip Hop with the release of HHID. I am not about to go through it again...I've explained over and over again. Unfortunately, Soulja Boy just happened to say something that I've been saying all along so I had to agree with him. HOWEVER, THE REASON SOULJA BOY'S ALBUM FLOPPED HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NAS...HE NEEDS TO STEP HIS GAME UP! But still, he's right that Nas killed Hip Hop.

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

KingCap — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:05:59 GMT

@TonyMalibu....

Your opinion is NULL and VOID simply because you have a bias against Nas. Your opinion and all that shit that you just typed aren't worth much of my time.

At the end of the day...

Nas>>>>>>>>>>>>Soulja Boy, his flopped and YOU

Case Closed!

re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

gorgan — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:47:54 GMT

@ KingCap Gorgan said: Your wasting your time debating with someone who would even attempt to compare Nas to Soulja Boy . He must be Soulja Boy's dad or something . @TonyMalibu You must be the least ill informed rap listener ever If you don't believe that THE LIKES of Nas Ice T Method Man Sean Price voicing there disregard of Soulja Boy non exsistent rap skills didn't have a bearing on his current LP flop Ill say it again you are the most ill informed person listening to rap You say Nas KILLED HIP HOP no , its people like you who tell people your into hiphop then dare to put Nas in the same sentence with Soulja Boy who are killing it , I garauntee you at least 98 percent of the hip hop community even ninjas who don't like Nas will say WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

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re: Hip-Hop-Not Dead, Soulja Boy's Career...?

nhoomiteub — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:08:00 GMT

im sorry to me soulja boy is the new vanilla ice or the new mc hammer but at least mc hammer had something to entertain us with all this dude can come up with is new dances that looks totally stupid when ur out in the club....id rather do the biz mark so soulja boy if ur reading this and ur about to put out a new cd try getting some producers like khrysis,9th wonder,or hell what about e-40 son droopy then i might attempt to buy a cd of urs....well of course ur flows would have to be tight.