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50 Cent’s Ultimate Challenge: How To Market Beanie Sigel (Part 2)

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:30 AM | 51 comments
By Cedric Muhammad

Editor's note: The views expressed inside this editorial aren't necessarily the views of AllHipHop.com or its employees.


Before getting back to where we left off, I must say for the record, of the three tracks that Beanie Sigel has released (‘I Go Off,’ ‘How I Could Kill Jigga Man,’ and ‘Think Big’) since his announced affiliation with 50 Cent I like what I’m feeling and hearing in terms of energy, track selection, and flow. Sigel is on some ‘Protect Ya Neck’ and ‘Pac-like stuff.


The only problem is the subject matter: Jay-Z.



Now, I understand the game plan – to draw the new Frank Sinatra into a Philly street fight. But Jay – with the # 1 song in America - is executing the conservative playbook of Live Nation and business manager John Meneilly which calls for no risk-taking or negative press capable of scaring Corporate America, or jeopardizing the bidding war underway to license ‘Empire State of Mind,’ for commercials and public relations campaigns.



No, as my man E From Queens (a 50 supporter and Jay respecter) tells me - looking to execute the ‘rope-a-dope’ fighting style that Muhammad Ali used against George Foreman, Jay-Z will wait for Sigel and 50 to tire out.


We saw this silent-but-deadly approach to how Jay responded to Cam’ron’s attacks on him a few years ago.


To focus on a big target like Jay-Z is tempting and I understand why 50 and Beans would go there but its time for Beanie Sigel to focus on the hottest rapper out right now…Beanie Sigel.


In response to the first part of this two-part series (my debut at AllhipHop.com) I received the following in a thoughtful email:



Cedric…In light of the lack of success of 50’s latest projects (Mobb Deep, MOP, ‘Curtis,’ ‘Terminate on Site’, ‘Before I Self Destruct’), I’m not sure 50’s going to have the same creative freedom or more importantly - resources at his disposal to put any kind of real push behind Sigel. Particularly with the extremely poor predictions for his current album, and with it being his last contracted album for Interscope. The last thing Beanie needs to get caught up in is a label switch.”


Great points on the surface but I actually think there may be no more dangerous artist in the world than a 50 Cent who has his back against the wall, with critics predicting his demise, and with resources scarce.


In the introduction to my book, The Entrepreneurial Secret, using the example of the circumstances that 50 was in when he made the riskiest record in rap history, ‘How To Rob,’ I explain that some people are at their best when most people think they are at their worst. For them, necessity is the mother of invention and having to make something happen when there is no plan B forces them to be more creative than ever.


Therefore, I actually think a hungry 50 Cent who more and more people are starting to count out, is exactly the kind of person Beanie Sigel needs right now.



To me, 50 Cent is a great rapper but he’s an even better arranger. Perhaps the best Hip-Hop has had since Marley Marl (by the way he produced LL Cool J’s masterpiece ‘Mama Said Knock You Out’ when folks were counting him and LL out) and Puffy. An arranger is not a producer (a subject for another day). If you want to understand what the difference is, just listen to Game’s first album and look at what 50 was able to do through him and a great producer (Dr. Dre). I believe he should take a similar approach here. 50 Cent doesn’t need to be all over Beanie Sigel’s tracks as much as he needs to be all over the project quarterbacking the concepts and hooks, bringing in only a handful of musicians and producers that bring the best out of Sigel.



He can give to Sigel what Quincy Jones gave to Michael Jackson, not just through a direct collaboration but through surrounding and coordinating others (like how Quincy Jones brought in the Brothers Johnson, jazz musicians, and Rod Temperton of Heatwave in to work with Michael on ‘Off The Wall’) around the Philadelphia artist.



The question that reportedly haunted Beanie Sigel’s Roc-A-Fella days was ‘Can Beanie Sigel Ever Become A Platinum Artist?’ Reportedly, Jay-Z once told Nas that Beanie Sigel would never sell more than 600,000 records. To me, if true, that question and answer shows some of what was wrong with the Beanie-Sigel-Roc-A-Fella relationship. While record sales must always be in view, you don’t develop someone with the talent and capacities of Beanie Sigel according to current industry standards of success.


The way you market someone like Sigel is from the inside out. You place him in a creative and conceptual environment where he can make theme songs and albums (a lost art in Hip-Hop). You find a pattern or formula of sounds and subject matter and you let Sigel feel, think and write into it. Then, you assemble an inner circle and strategic team of advisers. You mix an inner circle who know music with political strategists, business consultants, spiritual advisers, power brokers, publicists and marketers who can take Beans places he has never gone before and form them into a Mastermind to discuss what they are hearing, interpret it, and figure out how to position Sigel in the marketplace.



In Volume 2 of The Entrepreneurial Secret I describe the 9 personality types in business that can often form this mastermind. They are the Hustler, Gangster, Salesperson, Ideologue, Coordinator, Professional, Businessperson, Engineer and Entrepreneur.


50 could easily build this team of advisers around Beanie Sigel’s album.


You don’t think of Beans like an artist, you think of him like a leader on a political and military campaign -what are the territories, niches, and market segments he and his content can appeal to? - You ask. How can we bring things in his personality and life story out through carefully crafted media, public relations and media campaign that touches not just rap and music media but social, political, racial, religious, and street dimensions.


You don’t just sell albums, you build a catalog that makes him a legend and has new fans begging for his older material.


To this end, free of charge, I offer 50 Cent some advice. He and I can build privately for more details (smile).


Sigel already has the streets (it was good for 50 to re-establish this with the three tracks they’ve released in the past two weeks). But the streets are his current demand. His emerging demand are those people who have never heard of him (which the association of 50 is going to help take care of) and those who have heard him but never understood or appreciated his true introspective impact.


Manufacturing a ‘beef’ with Jay-Z isn’t going to expand his appeal beyond the streets and tap into new markets that would love Sigel if they got to know him.


The three emerging markets for Sigel are the political progressive movement, mainstream Black professionals and entrepreneurs, and key power centers and markets outside of America (many of whom have an immigrant population here).


Here are three concept songs he can make to attract each.



‘What Your Life Like III.’ The streets are political and any artist with street credibility can cross over into the political category by combining introspection, reality, knowledge (facts and stats) and provocative edgy social commentary. Jadakiss tapped into this with ‘Why?’ in 2004, but again, lacked the team infrastructure and strategic game plan to link Jada with the organizations, opinion leaders and events that would have allowed him to translate the song’s popularity into commercial success among the more politically-inclined. ‘What Your Life Like,’ off the ‘The Truth’ album released in 2000 is the definitive track on the realities of incarceration. Anyone who hears it knows that prison life is nothing to glorify, nothing nice. Had Roc-A-Fella had the capacity and strategic insight, they would have reached out to all organizations who work on the issues of prisoner’s rights (to deal with the horrible conditions Beanie describes in the song) and felon disenfranchisement (when those convicted lose their right to vote). 50 and Beans should conceptually discuss a third version of this song (the second appeared on ‘The Reason’ album) that would deal with the issue of prisoner re-entry – what ex offenders go through when they come home, in terms of finding work, dealing with their families, and the struggle not to go back to a life of crime. Once the track is made, 50 and the Mastermind circle should privately call in a few leaders on the issue and discuss ways to position Sigel as the leader on the issues of felon disenfranchisement, and the re-entry of previously incarcerated individuals. Philadelphia already has the reputation for trying innovative things on the issue, so why haven’t we heard Sigel’s voice on the matter? Sigel should also do a prison tour, speaking and performing at certain correctional facilities throughout America. Not only with this endear Beanie Sigel to the progressive political movement but it will cross him over into key power centers of the Black community and inner city political leadership that have the ability to generate positive publicity for him and open opportunities for him outside of the music business.



‘The 50th Law.’ On the opening track to his second album, ‘Nothing Like It,’ Beanie Sigel mentions ‘…Now the Qur’an and 48 Laws polish my flaws…’ the latter reference is to Robert Greene’s book, The 48 Laws of Power. 50 Cent has just collaborated with Robert Greene on a new book The 50th Law. Here is the book’s description,” In The 50th Law, hip hop and pop culture icon 50 Cent (aka Curtis Jackson) joins forces with Robert Greene, bestselling author of The 48 Laws of Power, to write a ‘bible’ for success in life and work based on a single principle: fear nothing. With intimate stories from 50 Cent’s life on the streets and in the boardroom as he rose to fame after the release of his album Get Rich or Die Tryin’, as well as examples of others who have overcome adversity through understanding and practicing the 50th Law, this deeply inspirational book is perfect for entrepreneurs as well as anyone interested in the extraordinary life of Curtis Jackson.”


The book is relevant to what all Americans but especially Black professionals are going through now – layoffs and terminations. With Black unemployment at 16% they are now being forced to consider entrepreneurship. In addition young college students are increasingly nervous about finding jobs and getting degrees in fields that are unstable or dying. With Black teenage unemployment at 42% they are ripe for the message of this book. 50 and Sigel should do a track called, ‘The 50th Law’ and the marketing of it to media and events aimed at these groups. Performances, speaking and book tours at Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) could be arranged and a few special events can be planned where the price of admission is a receipt showing a purchase of The 50th Law, Sigel’s new album, or even an unemployment benefits check. They could have a lot of fun with it and if they make the song an anthem, it will cross over to White professionals and struggling entrepreneurs.



An example of a song with this kind of potential was Cam’ron’s ‘I Hate My Job,’ which should have become the theme song for those working in jobs that make them miserable. All that would have been needed to pull this off is a hot video, massive viral marketing, and a publicist with connections outside of the music industry. Again, Cam’ron (and no artist) doesn’t have the team infrastructure necessary to pull this off. 50 can provide that for Beanie Sigel.



My Spots Are Global.’ Sigel should do a track saluting different cities and their ‘street’ histories and traditions – Toronto, Canada; Kingston, Jamaica; London, England; Johannesburg, South Africa; Nairobi, Kenya; Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia; Tokyo, Japan; and Beijing, China. All 50 and Sigel would need is a researcher and historian who could contact individuals on the ground in these countries (easy because of the fan base) and a few scholars and experts who would be happy to provide details on life on the ground and the culture of the people. Or, they could talk to immigrants living here from all of those hot spots, and get a feel for the culture. Sigel’s grasp of the streets, strategic philosophy and principles could be weaved together with these details. Sigel could speak about local life, connect it to similarities in Philly, New York, Atlanta, New Orleans, Chicago, Houston and Los Angeles. He could make fun of rappers here, who wouldn’t know how to find these places on a map and the 50 could arrange the musical production team to mix in instruments popular or in the tradition to these countries. As advisers, perhaps, 50 could call in Quest Love of the Roots (also from Philly) to work with him on the arrangements. This one track alone could open Beanie Sigel to concerts worldwide, remixes with popular local artists, and international sales abroad in places no other rapper has enjoyed.


Any Hip-Hop artist who is just depending on, or trying to eat off of record sales in America is hustling backward. The real money is overseas and its time for an artist with street credibility here to expand their marketing and go get it.


Beanie Sigel would be perfect for this, and with 50’s insight and network it could be done.


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50 Cent has the potential to do what Roc-A-Fella couldn’t in marketing Beanie Sigel.


He has to resist the temptation to not just promote him as a street credible artist or a ‘shooter’ but as a community boss, entrepreneur, political shot-caller and even an emerging world leader.


People are ready for more, and the time and marketplace demands it.


The reason why I believe Jay-Z did not think Beanie Sigel could go beyond 600,000 in sales is because Roc-A-Fella at that time was operating off of the 1990s typical Northeast approach to marketing a street artist. It was a basic low risk positioning tactic that’s part of a larger marketing strategy, with no growth potential.


It went something like this: a purely political-oriented or conscious artist could typically max out at 250,000 units sold. A purely street artist at best, back then, went gold. An artist that appeals to women and could make anthems, and music geared to heavy radio rotation, and clubs could go platinum. Following this thinking, from last decade, an artist who could reach the political crowd, the streets and women, while appealing to a White audience could sell millions more.



Under this model, Tupac is the ultimate or perfect artist.


I know this thinking well because I observed it and at times utilized some of it when I served as GM of Wu-Tang management in the middle part of the late 90s.


But times have changed. Aside from the obvious explosion of Hip-Hop throughout the South, two wars and a deep recession have blurred lines between what is street and what is political. The rise of the Internet, You Tube, Twitter, Facebook, and iTunes for example, have made the music more mobile and allowed people to become their own news editors and program directors. The lines between consciousness and rigid musical categories and genres are blurring everywhere except in radio formats (that is coming soon).


An artist now has to speak more than one language to become relevant and have a long career.


They also have to start realizing that there is a world full of neighborhoods like their own who can relate to them. In other words, Nairobi, Kenya is feeling Beanie Sigel because South Philadelphia has a little bit of Nairobi in it.


The skill set and insights that artists need today go well beyond the typical team infrastructure of a manager, lawyer, agent, and publicist. In fact, these professionals are the ones - maybe more than the artists - who need greater insights into a changing world. They have to do more to incorporate economics, politics, culture, technology and population changes into the strategy and services they provide their talented clients, and to keep them relevant.


The time has come for Hip-Hop to take a page from the world of sports, and bring in outside perspectives to support the creative and promotional process, and recognize that an artist can benefit from a Mastermind of individuals who can interpret what they are doing for new audiences and market segments.


A music industry friend sent me these thoughts:


Think about pro football: During the 70’s and 80’s the game was based on athletic ability, but as the 90’s approached, teams developed the concept of players being more specialized in skill sets and eye-hand coordination. This lead to lineman being taught martial arts techniques with their hands and learning more about their center or gravity; linebackers practicing with track coaches to help with their outside blitz; running backs, receivers and corners working with choreographers to get better foot work and hip movement.


Every player now has a private nutritionist who plans diets based on their weight and strength requirements (even NBA players like Chris Paul now have personal chefs).


It went from Lynn Swann being the only guy in the league learning ballet to an entire cottage industry springing up to teach players techniques and conditioning methods. This concept changed the game! It revolutionized what a player is expected to know and do when he enters the league.



Now, Chad Ocho Cinco brags about how training as a boxer helps him get off of the line of scrimmage better to run his routes as a wide receiver.


What the players do isn’t football related, but it contributes to making the player better and increasing the profits of the team.”


The idea of bringing in others to assist in writing, producing and marketing songs may make some in Hip-Hop uncomfortable because the culture rightfully prides itself on individual originality. But true wisdom manifests through a crowd. There is a way to support the individual song-writing process without getting into ‘ghost-writing.’


Still we should all keep in mind that the greatest songs have been written by individuals other than the performer. Michael Jackson is the best example of all.


What this culture and industry needs are arrangers (not just rappers or producers) who understand this.


There is no one better in Hip-Hop than 50 Cent to take us into the new era - the era of the Hip-Hoppreneur ™. Beanie Sigel could be the prototype.


‘Dumbing down’ Beanie Sigel; following the old Northeast model for promoting street artists; or emphasizing only his most obvious personality traits would not only be a mistake, it would be a tragedy and bad business move – leaving money on the table, which 50 hates.


By helping Sigel make an album that could even lend itself to a movie soundtrack where Beans can be at his introspective best, and by bringing in a second layer of advisers and specialists to give strategic advice to the project, Beanie Sigel could not only take himself places he has never been before, but Hip-Hop and all of Philly as well.


Only 50 Cent can fulfill Jay-Z’s vision of Beanie Sigel as that special artist that will go down in history like a Scarface or Tupac.


But it maybe his ultimate challenge.


With the industry counting him out, 2009 looks a lot like 1999 for 50 Cent.



He couldn’t be in a better place to make history with Beanie Sigel.


Last Week: “50 Cent’s Ultimate Challenge: How To Market Beanie Sigel (Part 1)”


http://allhiphop.com/stories/editorial/archive/2009/11/18/22031325.aspx


Also, enjoy The Abridged Version of This Hip-Hoppreneur ™ Commentary by clicking here.


Cedric Muhammad is a business consultant, political strategist and monetary economist. He is a former General Manager of Wu Tang Management and the author of The Entrepreneurial Secret: Starting A Business Without A Bank Loan, Collateral or Revenue (http://www.theEsecret.com/). His weekly talk show can be heard each Wednesday from 12 to 5 PM (est) at Cedricmuhammad.com. Cedric can be contacted by email at cedric(at)cmcap.com


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November 24, 2009 10:38 AM
 

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November 24, 2009 11:14 AM
 

Deadeye said:

None of that means anything in today's market if the music isn't right.
November 24, 2009 11:23 AM
 

gorgan said:

When Diddy signed BIG . BIG was just spitting that underground new york rap

Diddy kept elements of that but smoothed out some of the grooves and bought BIG to the world stage as a well rounded artist

So far 50 has signed the Game and got rid of him because he wouldn't ride for him when the lyrical beefs was on

Signed MOP they released a couple of mixtapes but no official LP

SIGNED MOBB DEEP released one album so for which was alright but no where near "The Infamous" or "Murda Muzik" or any of there previous releases for that matter

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THIS IS NOT A FLUKE DIDDY'S SKILL TO MAXIMISE HIS ARTISTS POTENTIAL IS SOMETHING 50 DOESN'T HAVE

If Fif can prove me wrong and blow Sigel up I will fess up and admit I was wrong . BUT I HAVE A STRONG FEELING THAT WILL NOT BE NECESSARY
November 24, 2009 11:29 AM
 

maino22 said:

@Cedric Muhammad

I understand your concept and the way you would market beenie, but he really needs to do one thing before doing anything you say.  Stop beefin with Jay-Z.  You have to understand a lot of fans herd beanie sigel through Jay meaning they were Jay fans before Sigels.  If you beefin with an artist thats about to go double plat with the number one song in the country then you have to realize at least 90% of those people will not hear Sigel out anymore.  

Beanie is a good artist but there are more Stans than fans these days and you rarely see a person a fan of an artist that they favorite artist have beef with.

For Example, several of my friends are die hard young Jeezy fans so they dont mess with Gucci mane at all.

Another example Camron.. with the ROC he went platinum made beef with jay z and next two albums flop...

Also, i highly doubt anybody on G-unit will sell more than 50 and if 50 is declining in sales then....... yea...
November 24, 2009 11:32 AM
 

TOHN007 said:

That's real spit. It makes sense, but even if 50 stategized and put a gameplan like this into effect for Beans, it still could all go south if Beans can't stay out of trouble with the law. Nothing could derail an artist quicker than doing a bid in jail. I know there are artists who have come out of jail more successful than when they went in (Pac,TI) but you see artist like Gucci and Lil Boosie who are hurting themselves when they are at the height of their success. Be careful Beans.
November 24, 2009 11:32 AM
 

Culture said:

watching that show in NYC shows the potenial they have to me. i love how G-Unit knows how to work a crowd and adlib for each other. can't wait to see the next move.
November 24, 2009 11:39 AM
 

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Beans will never be a multi platinum artist but he's a dope emcee. There's not really much more to it. Market all you want to.


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November 24, 2009 11:46 AM
 

HOT97 said:

HOT97 SAYS:We love the drama but beans, is a crackhead...If Jay-z couldnt help this guy stand on his own two feet, then how does 50 think he can do it while his own career is finished?
November 24, 2009 12:00 PM
 

RayStantz said:

I think Beans best days are behind him; he'll down as one of those rappers like Kool G Rap- respected, a legend but very little commercial success. He had the atmosphere to go plat on the Roc at a time when everyone was riding hard with the Roc and the image but couldn't do it, his closes shot he gets locked up and destroys all of that momentum so beefing with Jay now and expecting a different outcome with 50 is not the answer.

"Beef" always hurts records sales when you are beefing with an artist with a large fanbase. That whole Jay/Nas beef cost them both money and fans for which neither has truly recovered from.. Jay just happened to find a new market that knows nothing about that side of him.. He made a new Jay... I don't think Beans has the power to do that because he was never on a that level. He'll always be a gold seller at best.
November 24, 2009 12:03 PM
 

RayStantz said:

... But i do agree that these sorry @ss record labels need to get off thier @ss and get back to artist development.
November 24, 2009 12:04 PM
 

master_mentor said:

The author of the text talks about 50 as he is powerful as he is Will Smith or something. Dude is certainly no rolemodel and i don't see him as a better businessman than Jigga. He had two times big luck..that Jay responded to How to rob and gave him free promotion. And the second was an ongoing beef with Ja Rule, where Em and Dre could use him as a tool in the beef. On the other side this opened him mainstream doors with Em's fan base...nationally and internationally!
Beans is whack, the first decent track was the Jay diss...Average Cat.The rest of his catologue his shit...he is average at best.
There are some artists who cant hit mainstream...just like Kweli or Sigel. And dont mention this cowards 50 and Beans with Tupac in a sentence.
November 24, 2009 12:11 PM
 

RBz said:

I WOULD HAD RESPECT BEANS MORE IF HE GOT ON HIS OWN 2 FEETS, MAD AT YA BOSS MAN UP DONT BE A EMPLOYEE, BE A EMPLOYER. SO MANY RAPPERS DID IT THAT WAY, B.G JUVENILE, GAMES, SANTANA, ROSS ECT... IF JAY DIDNT HELP YOU WHAT MAKE YOU THINK 50 CAN.
November 24, 2009 12:12 PM
 

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November 24, 2009 12:28 PM
 

ZoePian said:

it sounds like a good marketting plan.. tryna turn it into positivity... but it will be ahrd.. cuz already a lot of people hate 50 so it will be hard for them to cosing sigel whther they like his music or not.. the general public isnt as open minded as it used to be.. now its all about choosing sides... like someone said up top, jay fans wont give him a chance cuz he dissin jay..

in my opnion.. instead of jus goin hard at jay.. he should played jay's game.. jus subliminals (maybe jay would respond wit his own and there u would finally have a response everybody is asking for) and they can go back and forth like that..  but i dont thinks itss a smart business move goin at him.. well not too much..i think he should stop now  and continue on other concepts and try to make a few hits.. work on a similar marketting strategy as the article.. he jus need to grow as an artist, in life and his music... 50 has the budget to invest in it.. but wat is 50's vision for sigel? hopefuly a successful black leader... but he need to leave the beef alone n just shoot subliminals so jay stans cat read in between the lines before its too late and they already copped the album... but overall.. if i was 50 i would holla at u and try to get this strategy up and running.. cuz that seems like long term money.. for him and sigel.. plus notoriety.... instead of puttin ur idea on the internet.. e mail 50... post this article on thisis50.com.. he'll be sure to see it...
November 24, 2009 12:29 PM
 

TYBO2020 said:


..WELL DONE..ONCE AGAIN..I'LL BE CHECKING FOR THAT BOOK TOO..C.M.
November 24, 2009 12:43 PM
 

Omnipotent-Pimp said:

This article comes across like you are trying to get a part time consultant gig for 50 or something....well written but poorly thought out...let me sum up the problem with Sigel...we're gonna assume you're 100% right on your advice, 50 listens to you and Beanie's career gets a surge..he gets set to drop this so called album that everyone is waiting for .....then "IT "happens..just like b4 jus like it always happens with dumba$$ rappers...he gets a gun case , a drug case or an assault case...since he already has priors, plus an affinity to abuse drugs that would be it for his career and a big waste of time and money for 50...Jay-Z already knows this and this is why he aint even wasting his time with dude...while Beanie is crying bout Jay not co-signing him at his trials why didnt he mention why he cant stay the phuck out of jail to begin with? i'LL TELL YOU WHY ?..because he is a dumba$$ rapper...you have some smart rappers and you have your dumba$$ rappers and Beanie is the latter...you would have to be a dam foolio to invest in him after seeing how he messed up two album releases by doing dumbshyt and going jail ...then again 50 could prolly use Beanie as a tax write off but that's about it...dude is the A.I of Rap ..still has game but no one wants to deal with the headache...

Lil Wayne kissing Baby =gay < Beanie trying to stick his tongue in Peedi's ear =gayer
at least Wayne could say that's his daddy(like that matters..lol)..what's Beanie's excuse?..I had to throw that in ..tired of hearing ya'll worship this disgruntled penitenary punk....and that song Average Cat was average at best..I dont know what ya'll new booty nickaz is listen too but I'm hearing a grown man act like a lil biaatch!.."I could say sh*t to make B look at you different" ? oh for real? so now nickas is telling on nickas to they girlfriends? ...and that's gangsta? that's suppose to be street credible?....this rap shyt isnt even on WWE level...it's more Soap Opera if anything....The Young and the Bitchmade..

"is this what success is all about, a bunch niccas acting like b*itches with big mouths?"
November 24, 2009 1:38 PM
 

JACKIEMACC said:

An example of a song with this kind of potential was Cam’ron’s ‘I Hate My Job,’ which should have become the theme song for those working in jobs that make them miserable. All that would have been needed to pull this off is a hot video, massive viral marketing, and a publicist with connections outside of the music industry. Again, Cam’ron (and no artist) doesn’t have the team infrastructure necessary to pull this off. 50 can provide that for Beanie Sigel.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^I am still going to check for this because I can relate - I also agree with the tupac analogy - that was great for the most part the article is grand - A plus. But beans most be willing.
November 24, 2009 1:40 PM
 

MVPrinciples said:

I 100% agree with your assessment of Beans' talent and I know he has a good shot in him to take this current opportunity to reenergize his career, but I don't think he has the team/foresight to produce the long-term results he seeks.  

By partnering with 50, Beans has traded in one motivation (Jay-Z = money) for another (50 = power).  Jay's identity is built on having more material things than others (which displays a significant amount of insincerity and insecurity), while 50's identity is on having more influence than others. And both seem to make moves to build up there motivators to gain the public's respect.  

Although I like, and from the outside looking in, could trust the spirit of 50 more than Jay (50 couldn't match Jay's artistic skill on his best day.) Beans is still a tool being used to help construct another mans goals, and he'll do it well as evidenced already.  But until he learns to be a craftsman himself and not just a tool, he'll serve as a short-term purpose for 50 and live with a significant amount of frustration due to the gap between his reality and his expectations.  

Beans is a boss by nature, but a worker by nurture and unfortunately it is this divide that will result in his career being left with "potential unfulfilled"  

Both 50 and Jay have maintained their identity's while they journeyed to the top, the difference is Jay's has been revealed by success and while 50's has always been on display.  I think as a street dude, you can smell a soft dude a mile a way and 50 has picked up on Jay's sent and is frustrated that the world doesn't see it the way he sees it.  And 50 knows, that Beans offers him his greatest opportunity to expose the character of Jay, while increasing his influence in the game.  If you look at the beefs that 50 has had with artist with the exception of (Cam and Jada) it has always been about the authenticity of the artist more than anything else.  You can get the feeling that 50 knows that Jay is from the streets, but he doesn't feel like he represents the streets.

November 24, 2009 1:41 PM
 

myspace.com/itsjohnp said:

NOt really feelin this editorial... "EVERYBODY KNOW HOW TO DO IT BUT THEY AIN'T DONE IT". -jay

U talkin bout how to market beans? Beans had state property, numerous roc films (that jay was not it), State property clothing line...DUde was marketed good, but since he kept goin to jail and HE NEVER HAD ANY REAL RADIO SINGLES, he never blew up...All this talk about how jay and dame didn't properly market beans...GET THE f**k OUTTA HERE...How bout you write a more meaningful editorial about the NEW BOYS' JEANS or something...
November 24, 2009 2:00 PM
 

Above All said:

I like how people in this forum are trying to tell the dude who wrote the article hes wrong like he doesnt do this for a living.

Like he wasnt GM for the Wu tang at the height of their career.

Like he wasnt sitting in rocafella offices back in the day...

Like he didnt just break down the business reasons why jay aint beefing with anyone thats dissing him while you think hes just ignoring them...

Thats the reason he writes books on the subject and yall write internet posts....
November 24, 2009 2:40 PM
 

HotCharlotte said:

I dont see it in Beans. He too hood to be international
November 24, 2009 3:12 PM
 

ramu said:

Beef triggering record sales is an old strategy that has seen it's time.  The consumer will be entertained for a moment, but will eventually wane. There will start to be a growing fatigue with Sigel unless he focuses more on developing a product and less on beef and Jay disses.  At best, Sigel could move 100,000 if he signed to G-Unit as a artist.  Going that route the label may break-even.  50 should leverage Sigel as an A&R executive or something similar, because he can be a window for new and younger talent which G-Unit definitely needs.  Sigel, as an executive, recruiting and scouting new talent can yield better financials for G-Unit than signing Sigel as an artist.      
November 24, 2009 3:25 PM
 

gorgan said:

@ myspace.com/itsjohnp said:
NOt really feelin this editorial... "EVERYBODY KNOW HOW TO DO IT BUT THEY AIN'T DONE IT". -jay

U talkin bout how to market beans? Beans had state property, numerous roc films (that jay was not it), State property clothing line...DUde was marketed good, but since he kept goin to jail and HE NEVER HAD ANY REAL RADIO SINGLES, he never blew up...All this talk about how jay and dame didn't properly market beans...GET THE f**k OUTTA HERE...How bout you write a more meaningful editorial about the NEW BOYS' JEANS or something...

Gorgan said:
You just about covered all the bases what matter , well observed , well said
November 24, 2009 3:34 PM
 

myspace.com/itsjohnp said:

ALl this to show 50 how to properly market SIGEL...ITs like giving a blueprint as to how to change an 87 cutlass into a Lamborgini..lol A cutlass is still a cutlass nomatter how u paint it or how big of rims you put on it...AN editorial on "jAY shoulda did this instead of that" or "50 would be better for beans cause he can do this"...lol  SIGEL had a CLOTHING LINE, STARRED IN MOVIES, and was featured on some of the best albums by JAY.. Maybe instead of trying to change a cutlass into a lambo, just get a lambo...
November 24, 2009 3:41 PM
 

myspace.com/itsjohnp said:

@gorgan

thanks mane
November 24, 2009 3:43 PM
 

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November 24, 2009 4:24 PM
 

colbert_report said:

I enjoyed the article but would like to give my two cents on Beans...

Beans is caught in a conundrum of sorts...
First the older generation of hip hop listeners, 35 and older, don't really wanna hear an abundance of diss records and a whole lot of shoot em up and crack selling music, Beans is in his mid 30s, he and his music needs to grow-up
Second, the younger generation, 25 and under, all they wanna do is dance and wear tight jeans, they may be amused by the Beans/Jay beef for a minute but its not sustainable...also with the younger generation that prefer that gangster/street music, they wanna hear it from artists from their particular area, cats from the South gonna feel Gucci or Ross, cats from the west gonna feel Game, younger cats from the north don't know what they wanna listen too right...it's whatever is hot

What is comes down to is, Beans needs to make good music, find his niche, ala Jada/Styles P, and make his money...right now its starting look like Jay is the last thing on his mind before he goes to bed and the first thing he thinks about when he wakes and that's not a good look.
November 24, 2009 5:09 PM
 

elcole said:

The highest selling hip hop artists have been able to appeal to the masses...I just don't see that in Beanie Seigel!  I don't think Jay Z or 50 Cent can redefine him!  What is he suppose to be the next 50, by beefing with Hov?  (50 was able to capitalize on his "made-for-tv" beef, cause Ja Rule was vulnerable, and no one knew he would evenutally use Ja Rule's format for hit records R & B type hooks with lots of singing).  Surely, he can't capture the streets, or sole of black folk like Tupac!  He is who he is unfortunately, which currently seems like he is suffering from that dreaded syndrome...ABM as in Angry Black Man!!!

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I think all of these artists at the time had a certain energy & appeal that made folks curious, their music felt like you where being invited to a world never witnessed--I don't see that in no way no form with Beanie Seigel, he just seems like a thug looking for a fight!  Where is the creativity with his music?  At the end-of-the-day...it's the music that "moves the crowd"

November 25, 2009 12:54 PM
 

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beans could make an album better then blue print 3 but so could vannila ice
listin tho the b coming and tell me if jay-z has ever put an album out better!!!!!!!!!!!!111
November 25, 2009 2:02 PM
 

jd2010 said:

This post makes no sense because FIRST OFF how about 50 try signing him first? 2nd off with 50’s first week numbers in and his first week numbers are lower than Rick Ross first week numbers 50 needs to worry about trying to market himself with using a gimmick. Beanie Sigel will never sale more than gold he is just not that type of artist so this notion that 50 would market him better than Jay is ludicrous!
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charizma said:

i dunno, beans had his run at roc, couldnt capitalize when the label was at its height. back then we were actually buying cd's and it was easier for an artist to move a mil. now there's the free downloads to contend with, i dont c dude doing a milli. dissing jay is definitely not gonna help him. just go on tour beans and roc live shows from now on. no pun intended on that roc, lmfao, im killin myself..
November 27, 2009 1:17 AM
 

KEEP IT REAL » Blog Archive » 50 Cent???s Ultimate Challenge: How To Market Beanie Sigel said:

November 27, 2009 2:27 AM
 

WhitneynStevie said:

50 is the new age Puff. Anybody that signs with him will never see their maximum level of success because he has to be bigger than everyone around him. The one thing that bewilders me about people is that they dont recognize that by giving other people the opportunity to be bigger than them they will gain more. Dre did it with Em and Em did it with 50 yet 50 seems to have this attitude that alot of "new-breed" Black people of power have. He wants all the attention and wants to be number one. He doesnt want to manage leaders, he'd much rather have a legion of followes like Yayo and Banks. If Beans signs with him he will see that and he will wish he was back with Jay who for the most part didnt want to still anyones shine! 50 is an insecure dude who is using Beans and Beans seems to be desperate enough to sale his soul to the devil.
November 27, 2009 8:58 AM
 

koolhand79 said:

Interesting article and i see where youre coming from on this one. But Beanie is a lost case. Even if he were to turn over a new leaf and stop the constant beefing with Jay and focus on his own career, do u really think that 50 has aligned with him for anything more than some quick promo for his own project. 50 has been trying to bait the biggest in hip hop into a beef for his last 2 LP's and no one has responded(i dont consider Rick Ross as one of the biggest). He has gone at Lil Wayne, Kanye and now all of a sudden Jay-Z. Beanie isnt being brought aboard to be a serious artist. 50 has artist who are much more marketable and that have enjoyed platinum success(Lloyd Banks) and he is currently riding the pine waiting for 50 to once again regain his status as a major artist. Everything this article is saying is based on if and when 50 is able to rebuild his own brand. It obviously isnt gonna happen on this album and one would assume that he wont be releasing another anytime soon.

I actually was a fan of Beans, i have his albums and think he is a good rapper(not an artist at all). He is at his best when he is taking u on a dark journey through his world. Tho that does show that he has the skill to be a beast on the streets, it does absolutely nothing as far as actual record sales. You can put this great marketing team and advisers around him and try to make him up some, but in the end what he does best isnt really something that sells. Especially in todays market. And even if it could sell, who is gonna stop beans from getting arrested when some radio dj, fan, stan or hater says the wrong thing to him and he goes off. He really does look kinda weak in my opinion, whining that Jay wasnt willing to take responsibility for him when the judge asked. Is Jay his daddy or something?? I dont think anyone would take responsibility for a loose cannon when it could cost you millions. Then he whines that Jay and dame didnt really give him all that they make it seem like they did. I think they gave him the biggest and best thing they could. They gave him the only reason we r even half way entertained by his disses to Jay. They gave him a chance and voice. They gave him Beanie Sigel. Honestly thats all u can ask for, because most people will ever get that chance to be known by the masses. Everything that happened to him after he was given that chance is on him. There would be no state property, movies or anything without that chance.
November 27, 2009 8:00 PM
 

USMARIN3 said:

Beans is dope as hell but he just doesn't have the it factor, he doesn't have that thing that will bring in the female consumer like Biggie did. If he couldn't go platinum around the time of Vol 2, he damn sure won't now. Beans need to go indy and market himself to the underground heads. As far as 50 i doubt he will sign Beans because his career is in limbo right now, plus Lloyd Banks is more marketable than Beans.
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