Going Rock: What the Recent Rock & Roll Frenzy Says About Hip-Hop's Future 
Published Monday, October 19, 2009 9:07 AM
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    By Tolu Olorunda
    “All things come to an end. … Now, the spirit of Hip-hop will always be alive… as long as there’s inner cities, there’s ghettoes, and there’s poor people.”

    —Nas[1]


    Last week BBC News featured a report couched in questioning: “Has hip-hop grown up?”[2] Besides the obvious condescension, we learned next to nothing (!) about what musical maturity truly means or how it might relate to Hip-Hop. The scantily clad article did very little to examine the dexterity and virtuosity that has sustained Hip-Hop for three decades, and kept it in a permanent state of reinvention. 


    Big wheel keep on turning.


    Maturity, it seemed BBC was trying to tell us, is achieved when privileged suburban students (a la Yale) find an art-form valid enough to study, and “think critically about,” it. Hip-Hop has indeed come of age because, now, “tourists visit inner city ghettos and Ivy-league students study street culture.” No mention of how this didactic experiment with Black artistry, of how this fetishization, and trivialization, of Black culture is a practice as ancient as colonialism. For, as Ralph Ellison wrote brilliantly a half-century ago, “it is the crime of reducing the humanity of others to that of a mere convenience, a counter in a barrel game which involves no apparent risk to ourselves. With us Negroes it started with the appropriation of our freedom and our labor; then it was our music, our speech, our dance.”[3]


    Sara Baartman knew a thing or two about that.[4]


    To say I was surprised would be disingenuous. The whiff of ignorance-infused elitism was pervasive from start to finish, so it seemed only right that it would end with a slight nod to the much-hyped, but discredited, generational division between the younger and older Hip-Hop family. 


    Somewhere in the shallow depths of my mind, I can hear Toni Morrison reminding: “the subject of the dream is the dreamer.”[5]


    * * *


    The recent wave of Rock-influenced Hip-Hop is worth exploring.


    It all seemed to start when Damon Dash, a much underrated mind I should add, collaborated with Blues-Rock sensation The Black Keys to formulate “a good business model… that kind of protects the artistry, it’s lucrative, but where a lot of people can get [into] it without compromising the brand.” Out of this, Blak Roc sprung, and the rest, as is often said, is history.[6] The project, recorded in 11 days and due November 27 (“Black Friday”), is to feature Mos Def, Jim Jones, Billy Danze (M.O.P), Pharoahe Monch, Q-Tip, Raekwon, ODB (R.I.P.), among others, lacing their vocals onto instrumentals built with the signature sound of The Black Keys.[7]


    Then surfaced a video promo clip late last month in which Onyx, the ever-energized New York Hip-Hop group, expressed displeasure about Blak Roc, as they considered the concept essentially a rip-off of their soon-to-be released album, The Black Rock. Group member Fredro Starr described the instrumental feel to be expected on their album—“mad guitars, hard drums.” Sticky Fingaz also promised to deliver “an hybrid album of Hip-Hop and Rock & Roll.” 


    They contend the potency of their idea was so strong that, now, “everybody and they mother want to do a Rock & Roll album!” In a stark-raving-mad interview on Sirius Radio, Fedro Starr and Sticky Fingaz went so far as leaving open the option for violent confrontation with anyone involved in “biting” their concept.Music


    Besides the obviously exaggerated outburst (meltdown?), they have every right to express righteous indignation at the recent Rock & Roll frenzy brewing in the Hip-Hop community. Seeing as Jay-Z now wants a Rock project of his own, they might have a point.[9] And, of course, within the last 3 years, unexpected artists like Lil’ Wayne and Shop Boyz have found the initiative irresistible—even if they lack the artistic sophistication to do something worthwhile with it.


    But if would be wrong for Onyx to assume, or ordain, themselves the originators of Rock-Hip-Hop mash-up. Run DMC’s pioneering role with “Walk This Way” (Raising Hell, 1986) should never be forgotten. And neither should the Beastie Boys’ unabashed maintenance, and development, of a Rock-reflected sound their whole career.


    It would be just as wrong for Jasiri X, the highly skilled Pittsburgh MC, to pronounce himself the first Hip-Hop artist with an inextinguishable dedication to fusing intelligent rhyme schemes with social advocacy. He might be the finest example of our time, but he’s a legatee of the Gill Scott-Herons, Muhammad Alis, Fela Kutis, Miriam Makebaas, Public Enemys, and X-Clans that laid the foundation upon which he has built a legacy of his own.


    Hip-Hop artists must always remember, no matter how convenient—and oft times lucrative—it is to forget, that our musical tradition is but an extension of that which came before us. From the West-African folklore, to the North-American Plantation Gospel, to the Blues, to Rock & Roll, to Jazz, to Reggae, to Afro-beat, to Latin Jazz, to Opera, to Funk, to Soul, to R&B, the peculiarity of Hip-Hop is only overshadowed by its strict reinterpretation of those elements. Through sampling, one of Hip-Hop’s greatest contributions to humanity, this truth is set free.  


    It’s much too easy to condemn modern-day Hip-Hop production, and use it as proof positive of an innate defect Hip-Hop artistry harbors, but anyone lucky enough to have been exposed to the eclectic creations of Afrika Bambaataa, J Dilla, Outkast, Madlib, Questlove, Black Milk, or 9th Wonder, can attest to the wide-ranging rhythms Hip-Hop is capable of producing.


    No other art-form in the history of modern music is able to boast of exposing so extensively its younger demographic to the sounds of old as Hip-Hop has demonstrated these last 30 years. The regeneration of George Clinton and James Brown are two great examples of Hip-Hop’s philanthropic possibilities.  


    In The New Beats, a slept-on classic written by Hip-Hop critic S.H. Fernando Jr., George Clinton applauds Hip-Hop for making his “job easier”—the job of sustaining that critical creation of Funk that is both unique and unnerving.


    “I never knew that I would be sampled,” he said, referring to the rampant recycling of old P-Funk records which gave rise to West Coast Hip-Hop—particularly the G-Funk genre. “But once it started working, we wasn’t gonna get on the radio no other way. And when people started bootlegging, I was glad. All of that was part of keeping the funk… alive.”


    “Rap is that new, edgy sh**,” Clinton is quoted saying. “It’s gonna be around and, like I said, the funk is gonna be in it, the jazz is gonna be in it. It’s starting all over again.”[10]


    Rebirth.


    “No idea’s original, there’s nothing new under the sun,” Nas once informed us. “It’s never what you do, but how it's done.”[11]


    And The Teacher KRS-One instructs new, neophytic artists to “Go online, look up Kraftwerk/ Everything we doing is past work/ We already wore that hat, those pants, and that shirt/ So do you, man—if that works/.”[12]


    In “Rock is Black Music, Too,” an op-ed posted on TheRoot.com, writer Rob Fields declares: “Hip-Hop has run out of ideas.”[13] Like the BBC piece, he provides absolutely no critical insight to corroborate such blatantly misinformed conjecture. The sole evidence cited is that “[t]he best-selling rapper of 2008—Lil Wayne—is doing a rock album.” 


    “We need artists who have the courage to explore new sounds and ideas,” he pompously proposes. In the next breadth, though, condescension reigns supreme: “But there's no way today's artists can do that if their grasp of music history only extends to the latest ‘80s record Diddy sampled.”


    Thus, Fields wants the Hip-Hop community to examine critically his clarion call, even if the only valuable, however unremarkable, revelation in his piece is that Rock & Roll, before the MTV takeover, was as Black as night—and, in many ways, still is. 


    But this isn’t Hip-Hop running out of ideas or things to say. Rather, this is Hip-Hop reinventing itself, re-imagining itself, recreating itself. This is Hip-Hop, like it or not, stepping into destiny.


    Journalists of all stripes have always found desperate and unpleasant ways to describe Hip-Hop. Early as 1990, Newsweek had condemned it—“the thumping, clattering, scratching assault of rap”—as “music so postindustrial it’s mostly not even played, but pieced together out of pre-recorded soundbites.”


    This laziness, this “biased and uninformed reporting,” as S.H. Fernando puts it, would also be picked up by Time Magazine, which described Hip-Hop lyrical content as “a raucous stew of street corner bravado and racial boosterism… often salted with profanity, and sometimes… demeaning remarks about whites, women, and gays.”[14]


    Of course, not everyone lacked so bitterly foresight. Princeton professor and renowned philosopher Cornel West understood, as far back as 1982, that Hip-Hop’s core intention was to serve as an extension of the great, rich, soulful musical traditions that had made its rise possible—to begin with.


    Part-time working as American correspondent for the French journal Le Monde Diplomatique, he wrote:


     [B]lack rap music indeed Africanizes Afro-American popular music—accenting syncopated polyrhythms, kinetic orality, and sensual energy in a refined form of raw expressiveness—while its virtuosity lies not in technical facility but rather street-talk quickness and linguistic versatility. In short, black rap music recuperates and revises elements of black rhetorical style—some from our preaching—and black rhythmic drumming. It combines the two major organic artistic traditions in black America—black rhetoric and black music.[15]


    What Dr. West was aware of, which so many of his peers lacked the insight to see, was that Hip-Hop could have never taken flesh without the existence of those great sources of musical depth that collectively breathed the breadth of life into it.


    E pluribus unum—“Out of many, one.”


    Yes, it is true that “Hip-Hop has stood the test of time as one of the only artistic developments, throughout the history of humanity, to come to life without the help, supervision, or even awareness of an adult population.”[16] But it is also true that without a reference point to which the culture was able to refer, this musical phenomenon might have never come to be.


    Without a Louis Armstrong to look up to, or a John Coltrane to admire; without a Cab Calloway to imitate, or a Mahalia Jackson to emulate; without a Bob Marley to draw strength from, or an Aretha Franklin to respect; without a Machito to be inspired by, or a Celia Cruz to take cues from; without a B.B. King to learn life’s lessons from, or a Hector Lavoe to pay dues to; without a James Brown to get down with, or a Teddy Pendergrass to uncover the art of seduction through; without a Fela Kuti to develop political audacity from, or a, yes, Gladys Knight to be moved deeply through, Hip-Hop is less likely to have broken out the shell of misery that enclosed the lives of many Black and Brown youth.


    And though I would like to see Rap music retain its organic, street-toned, unattenuated quality and sound, if a Rock-inspired theme is the next turn of the wheel, then the selfishness of my preferences would have to succumb to a greater desire—its preservation.


    Tolu Olorunda is a cultural critic and a columnist for BlackCommentator.com. He can be reached at Tolu.Olorunda@gmail.com.




    [3] Ellison, Ralph. Shadow and Act. New York: Random House, 1964, p. 124.

    [5] Morrison, Toni. Playing in the Dark: Whiteness in the Literary Imagination. Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1992, p. 17.

    [10] Fernando Jr., S. H. The New Beats: Exploring the Music, Culture, and Attitudes of Hip-Hop. New York: Anchor Books/Doubleday, 1994, p. 71.

    [11] Reference from: Nas, “No Idea’s Original,” The Lost Tapes, 2002.

    [12] Reference from: KRS-One & Buckshot, “Robot,” Survival Skills, 2009.

    [14] Ibid. The New Beats, p. xxii.

    [15] West, Cornel. Brother West: Living and Loving Out Loud, A Memoir. New York: Smiley Books, 2009, p. 149.


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    JUDAH NAZURA said:

    this is all buffoonery.. the real shet is done by unknowns like judah nazura, Muthadon, j .ritoc,netic..Dope Mc Kenyatta..and others who dont get know shine..

    since we are the real shet..pure unadulterated..hungry..and full of ideas we trying to get out..

    and the established artist are compromised..

    where else are u gonna get that raw?

    fans are so discombobulated from 8 straight years of brainwash dumb it down.. they dont know what they want..

    when real hiphop comes.. they front on it

    when dumb it down retard rap comes.. they dont want to hear that either

    new artist comes.. they dont wanna hear it

    old school artist or Now school artist drop... they dont want to hear it..dont support it

    aint interested..



    see, HipHop is dead..let it go..

    HipHop is a business..50 cent and jay z and every single rapper (Boule) that made millions made it virtually impossible for real artist and real hiphop..


    we have cats saying real hiphop...again, they so discombobulated..

    when they hear hiphop.. they say.."this aint hiphop"

    no this aint your hiphop...Hiphop cantr remain in the same place artistically and survive..its impossible..



    SUMBODY PLEASE COME ALONG AND OPEN A RADIO STATION WHICH PLAYS NUTHIN BUT UNDERGROUND AND SO CALLED ALTERNATIVE HIPHOP AND OTHER MUSIC..


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    Prof_X said:

    what the recent rock and roll frenzy says is that those same folks aren't hip hop.. never were and still aren't.. cats are getting exposed now, both directly and indirectly... plain and simple..

    never was a fan of Onyx, and now i see why.. posed as gangsters, then one dude went hollywood after getting his ass whipped by a skateboarder on live national television and the other, well... i hope young Fredro doesnt think people forgot about Dance 360 (i think that was the name of the show)... how many thugs do you know that host dance shows?

    and before i get hate, i know, i know.. they were getting money, so that overrules everything...

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    October 19, 2009 10:06 AM
     

    Prof_X said:

    and shout out to Virginia's own N.E.R.D. and Philly natives, The Roots, for being some of the true pioneers to make it "cool" to know how to play instruments in hip hop.. give credit where credit is due..
    October 19, 2009 10:11 AM
     

    Saint_Sinatra said:

    @ Prof_X

    WTF are you talkin about? Not many thugs may host dance shows these days, but back in the 80s, dancin was mostly done by the thugs (remember break-dancing?), so you need to kill it with all that misdirectional talk. Hip-hop IS rock and roll, just as rock and roll is hip-hop.  Hip-hop and heavy metal share a lot of the same characteristics: energy, social commentary, making your head nod. In a way, an emcee's mouth is his guitar. Wordplay is on the level with how fast and well you can play a guitar. Onyx is hip-hop. I don't know where you came to that conclusion that they aren't. It's just that rock and roll and hip-hop are starting to realize how close they are. They are starting to realize all of the avenues that they share and that is what's leading to more people experimenting. What you are doing is the same thing as looking at someone with a messed up knee or arm with a basketball and saying that they aren't atheletes cuz they can't be with one arm or leg. Your narrow-minded thinking will bite you often, homey. I shi.t you not...
    October 19, 2009 10:42 AM
     

    Tupacfan said:

    interesting editorial.

    Who is to judge how hip hop is today? Rock N Roll has its own issues as well. So really were even.. The hell what other folks think.

    Dont like it dont listen to it, talk about, b***h about it.. Stay in ur own lane and generes of music is my opinion for the perceptiors..
    October 19, 2009 10:42 AM
     

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    October 19, 2009 11:26 AM
     

    Hoodgrown said:

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    Prof_X said:

    talk about taking something and running with it...

    the 80's were different than the 90's and today.. true, back in the day, break-dancing was a staple of hip hop.. but those same rappers weren't running around talking about 'wave your guns in the air' and all of that fake-gangsta shit... plus, the dance show that Fredro hosted wasnt just a break-dancing show.. it had ballet, krumping, etc..

    check ya facts before u try to jump down someone's throat, old heads..
    October 19, 2009 12:09 PM
     

    Prof_X said:

    and wtf do u mean rock n roll is hip hop? if that was the case, im sure there wouldnt be two genres, now would it? it's that same dumbass logic that had these kids running around talking about "party like a rockstar"

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    October 19, 2009 12:11 PM
     

    liquidswords95 said:

    I wouldn't listen to no Hip Hop fused with Rock, i heard a couple hip hop fused with rock tracks, that was okay, but they few and far between. I just like pure creative street level sprinkled with conscious awareness hip hop.
    October 19, 2009 12:11 PM
     

    liquidswords95 said:

    And Hip Hop and Rock is two different forms of Music, but both was invented by Black folks. Rock n Roll is a form of Blues, it's just Blues sped up.
    October 19, 2009 12:13 PM
     

    JACKIEMACC said:

    This is nothing new to hip hop - it's just alot of people that don't know hip hops history!!! The early mega groups all sample James brown and rock. Take P.E. for example then go down to N.W.A. and a host of others that all sample rock n roll and before hip hop came in to my life I was a die hard rock n roller.

    Do I take this turn seriously - hell no. REally half of these artist wouldn't know rock n roll if it pissed in their faces. Friday night videos was the s**tto me - especailly when wolf man jack use to host it. Also MTV , even though quite prejudice back in the 80's use to show my number ones all the time. Van Halen, ZZ Top, Billy Idol, Bananarama, heart, madonna, cindy lauper, pat benatar, adam ant, the stray cats, etc, etc. Oh yeah how can I forget twisted sister, def leopard, alice cooper. even kiss
    all these guys were my favorite - then came run dmc and whoodini and I left rock for a while but if rap will destroy this genre of music I will leave rock again.
    does anyone know the "devil wears prada"?
    Also not to long ago diddy had a hit sampling rob zombie( he's too much for me though) with special guess the foo fighters.
    this is nothing new in the world of real hip hop - it's just new to those that don't know music. hip hop aside.
    October 19, 2009 12:35 PM
     

    JACKIEMACC said:

    Okay - ll cool j was doing bands before they were popular - getting busy on the mic.

    yes the real break dancers back in the day are either - hiding, in jail or dead and yes they were true gangstas with versa til ity .

    most of yall have been listening to n igg a do fuse hip hop and rock for quite some time maybe you don't read your inlays or maybe you didn't pay attention.

    the set with onyx was TERRIBLE - i thought somebody had change the channel till I found out I was the only one in the room. Horrible.

    Hip hop is really lost and yeah I bet it is some real emcees still left but it's hard to find. Where's murder dog when you need it.
    October 19, 2009 12:46 PM
     

    JACKIEMACC said:

    All music was invented by black folks - but this world don't want us to have NO CREDIT for shit. NOTHING - NADA.
    October 19, 2009 12:47 PM
     

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    UrbanRebel88 said:

    ervrybody seems to be sayin it right on here, alotta ppl dont know this been goin on, want sum more history check mos def on black on both sides rock n roll, the lyrics hes drops basically says we r(as in black ppl) rock n roll, no disrespect to white ppl, but when you got ppl like John Coltrane, John Lee Hooker (his music was played in amercian ganster), Nina Simone, thats rock, their black artists and they did this way back, dont mean to give a history, but do ya research in fact look up the names i just mentioned, if you dont know them you missed out, we got a lot of founders for music and alot of black ppl dont even know the history of black music, open them minds
    October 19, 2009 1:14 PM
     

    EST said:

    Hip hop has always had rock influences from the very beginning. When Afrika Bam helped birth this culture it was heavily supported by NYC's punk, rock and disco cultures, many of the first hip hop events took place in traditionally punk and rock clubs like The Peppermint Lounge, Danceteria and Negril so the influence has always been there. Anyone believing that somehow rock influenced hip hop isn't authentic hip hop doesn't know the complete history of this very diverse culture. It's one thing to say a person doesn't like to hear rock influenced hip hop which of course is all about personal preference but to say that it isn't real hip hop just speaks to their lack of knowledge regarding this culture.
    October 19, 2009 1:24 PM
     

    Prof_X said:

    people are misunderstanding what im saying... you have hip hop and rock and roll..

    im aware that rock and roll was started by blacks and some whites back in the day took it and ran with it..

    im also aware that hip hop is a separate genre of music, with the same "i dont give a f*ck" attitude..

    the story was about this rock n roll frenzy thats invading hip hop, and my point was a lot of people are starting to dickride the latest rock n roll trend, instead of making better HIP HOP..

    i never was a fan of Onyx, and although i may have been wrong about them originally being hip hop, i can honestly say that not a lot of people are checking for the music today (except for original fans)..
    October 19, 2009 1:28 PM
     

    JACKIEMACC said:

    This laziness, this “biased and uninformed reporting,” as S.H. Fernando puts it, would also be picked up by Time Magazine, which described Hip-Hop lyrical content as “a raucous stew of street corner bravado and racial boosterism… often salted with profanity, and sometimes… demeaning remarks about whites, women, and gays.”[14]




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    i CARE  about what the men on the mic has to say about women but women helped them call them bi t ches and hoes because they present themselves like that and they are b it ches and who res. The truth is the truth
    and I don't want to hear no one talke love to a colon f uc king wanna be p u ssy - sorry I don't think they have any civil rights. I haven't seen dogs get sict on them nor have I see the police string them up on a tree - a law put in affect to give them multiple life sentences for knowing how to supply and demand. When they get fatal they fund them with support of new studies for a cure but it will never be one as long as they are humping the colon.

    Whites well - read history - look around you - it speaks for itself.
    October 19, 2009 1:32 PM
     

    JACKIEMACC said:

    black people are smart but they rather be dumb. What about breakin 1 and 2 all punk - all mixed and rock was in it to win it. It was just underground.
    October 19, 2009 1:34 PM
     

    Google Dating Online » Editorial : Going Rock: What the Recent Rock & Roll Frenzy Says … said:

    October 19, 2009 2:19 PM
     

    tyrone1ALLAH said:

    "Before Hip Hop culture's uncritical assimilation of capitalist values, an eMCee could be commercially successful and sell millions and still not get any artistic respect from the grassroots, as long as he didn't measure up lyrically to the Hip Hop intellectual standard bearers.  It is through the monopolistic control of mainstream media channels that the interests of the of advanced neo-liberal capitalism eventually trumped the Hip Hop intellectual standards of the ghetto streets."

    -A. Shahid Stover

    Hip Hop Intellectual Resistance, p.29

    October 19, 2009 3:07 PM
     

    tyrone1ALLAH said:

    my bad I misquoted, it should read

    "that the interests of advanced neo-liberal capitalism eventually trumped the Hip Hop intellectual standards of the postmodern lumpenproletariat."

    if y'all don't know what he means by "lumpenproletariat" then either read his book or get up on BLACK PANTHER PARTY terminology.

    peace,
    Ty
    October 19, 2009 3:14 PM
     

    djcbz said:

    Music is music!
    Hip hop is like the BLOB!
    Everthing it touches it becomes just like black people!lol!
    No matter what nationality a black man has a baby by that baby is black!

    White man made that rule not black people!

    So sit back and enjoy the ride black people we gonna rule the world again it's just is unavoidable!
    October 19, 2009 4:04 PM
     

    JACKIEMACC said:

    well homie I don't get down with the black panther party they fucked up too much shit. Not only have I read most of their materials but most of those low life n***as was trouble makers not problem solvers. I don't know about how anyone else feel but the only thing I could get with them on is the guns other than that they can get the duck sick.
    October 19, 2009 4:51 PM
     

    Hoeyuno said:

    Rock n Roll and hip hop have always been similar. And lots of MC's have done rock songs in the past but its hard for rappers these days so why not try something different. If yu go on soulassassins.com DJ muggs has a couple mixtapes with mashups hes done over the years(rappers over rock beats) and most of them are dope.

    http://soulassassins.com/?page_id=465
    October 19, 2009 4:53 PM
     

    UrbanRebel88 said:

    theres no limit to hip hop regardless if they wana do rock let em, if u dont like it thats a personal problem, to be honest i didnt like wen j z mashed up wit linken park, good group and collab, but not my thing, but hip hop has no limits, there should be more stress on how its goin pop, its a ? when niggaz start wearing fruity colors and do remix of that song just dance, and u posed to b from west 4th street,lol, ima jus keep jammin pac
    October 19, 2009 6:52 PM
     

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    WHO GIVE A f**k WHAT YOU LIKE YOU AINT INVESTING IN THIS s**tWHEN n***as STOP BUYING RIMS AND STUPID s**tWITH THEY MONEY THEN THEY COULD INVETS IN THE HIP HOP THEY LIKE UNTIL THEN DONT SPEAK ON SOMETHING YA AINT GO NO KNOWLEDGE OF AND I DONT SEE MOST OF THEM UNEDUCATED ASSS  n***as ON HERE EITHER CAUSE THIS TYPE OF s**tOUTTA THEY LEAGUE CAUSE THEY AINT GOT NOBOGDY TO HATE ON DIRECTLY  STUPID DUMB ASS N-WORDS!!!!!!!
    October 19, 2009 7:55 PM
     

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    October 19, 2009 10:10 PM
     

    Grumpy said:

    HipHop is like HS: A bunch of different cliques with different styles and different philosophies.

    But everyone going to school should be getting their education.
    October 20, 2009 6:50 AM
     

    UrbanRebel88 said:

    @melphomeneking

    i fill wut u sayin, dont get me twisted, im all for wut hip hop is going to bring, but i like wut i like, i wanna c onyx do somthin major, and yes they aint enuff uneducated catz on here tryna get knowledge lol
    October 20, 2009 9:08 AM
     

    gorgan said:

    Hip Hop is a bastard music anyway developed from funk , soul  predominantly but also jazz , classical , pop , even some country and reggae in fact the hip hop module is based on Jamaican sound system culture Kool Herc like me is a Yard man

    but the break that most old skool heads associate with is "Apache" a song made by White Instrumental group called The Shadows  

    a lot of drum loops used by hip hop producers are from ROCK acts

    Rock is black music

    Run Dmc , PE , BDP's "Dope Beat" , Ice T more artists than i remember have used Rock music in there hip hop format from years back . so whats new

    In the U.K they have morphed 1st Jungle by speeding up breakbeats to 155 to 160 bpms and now they have made
    GRIME MUSIC out of hip hop , dance and dancehall culture

    In Ghana my homeboy Reggie Rockstone spearheaded the "Hip Life" movement which basically there take on hip hop using there own sounds

    Its impossible to predict the future sound of hip hop , there will always be cats like
    Ced Gee
    Paul C
    Bambaata
    Kool Herc
    The Bomb Squad
    Rick Rubin
    Marley Marl
    Timberland
    Primo Teddy
    Rhiley
    Dr Dre
    Pete Rock
    Lil John
    Wycliff
    Luke Skywalker

    That will turn the genre on its head just when you think or thought the music was getting stale or stagnating
    October 20, 2009 4:37 PM
     

    Going Rock: What the Recent Rock & Roll Frenzy Says About Hip-Hop’s Future « dreysay said:

    October 20, 2009 7:31 PM
     

    adopefemalemc said:

    JACKIEMACC said:
    well homie I don't get down with the black panther party they fucked up too much shit. Not only have I read most of their materials but most of those low life n***as was trouble makers not problem solvers. I don't know about how anyone else feel but the only thing I could get with them on is the guns other than that they can get the duck sick.
    -----------------------------------------------------

    Eff the Panthers b/c their members weren't perfect Ivy League members of society?


    Not "eff the streets who made them that way."


    Not "eff Oakland police" who brutalized and murdered Blacks in Oakland before it started.


    Eff the PANTHERS??


    What, cuz somebody mighta been involved in petty theft or drugs???

    MAYBE???

    Because it wasn't like CoIntelPro didn't set them up.





    They died and went to prison so ppl like you wouldn't even HAVE to fight police brutality..they took that on themselves.

    Policing the Police.




    U really need to figure out what u value more:


    Squeaky clean image in the media for your taste


    versus


    Someone not afraid to stand up for impovershed Blacks in America.




    They had a program feeding kids in the hood breakfast everyday and u wanna complain bout some punk ass "what does your criminal record look like?"


    u no different than them fat white men in business suits who wont give a Black man a chance to work @ his punk ass business b/c he think he may steal the intercom system @ work.



    Brainwashed knee-grows. Damn
    October 21, 2009 6:42 AM
     

    gorgan said:

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                                           adopefemalemc


    adopefemalemc said:
    JACKIEMACC said:
    well homie I don't get down with the black panther party they fucked up too much shit. Not only have I read most of their materials but most of those low life n***as was trouble makers not problem solvers. I don't know about how anyone else feel but the only thing I could get with them on is the guns other than that they can get the duck sick.
    -----------------------------------------------------

    Eff the Panthers b/c their members weren't perfect Ivy League members of society?


    Not "eff the streets who made them that way."


    Not "eff Oakland police" who brutalized and murdered Blacks in Oakland before it started.


    Eff the PANTHERS??


    What, cuz somebody mighta been involved in petty theft or drugs???

    MAYBE???

    Because it wasn't like CoIntelPro didn't set them up.





    They died and went to prison so ppl like you wouldn't even HAVE to fight police brutality..they took that on themselves.

    Policing the Police.




    U really need to figure out what u value more:


    Squeaky clean image in the media for your taste


    versus


    Someone not afraid to stand up for impovershed Blacks in America.




    They had a program feeding kids in the hood breakfast everyday and u wanna complain bout some punk ass "what does your criminal record look like?"


    u no different than them fat white men in business suits who wont give a Black man a chance to work @ his punk ass business b/c he think he may steal the intercom system @ work.

    October 21, 2009 10:59 PM
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