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SICK SUNDAYS: Luda Stakes His Claim, Guru Returns, Greatest Female Songs Ever & More 
Published Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:46 PM
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By Odeisel

Good morning and welcome to another edition of Sick Sundays.  It’s been a long week my dudes but once again it’s on.  A bunch of mixtapes dropped most notably Dedication 3. 

 

Word on the street is it's dripping with wack juice, except for the Young Money cats, but I’ll let you be the judge of that a bit later.  We’re going for a little double OT today as I fulfill a promise to Miss Dallas and hit you with some of the greatest songs of all time featuring Female MC’s.  Let’s get it in.

 

 

Jay-Z- History

I can say I’m one of the biggest Jigga fans but I’m not moved at all by this.  It’s disjointed, the execution is weak and there is no aggression on it at all.  Certainly closer in feel to Kingdom Come than American Gangster. I know the stans will say he’s above our heads and all that nonsense but this song is weak and if this and the mediocre “Dope Boy Fresh” are what BP3 is going to be about, I may pass on that. So far Kanye on the beats is a let down. Is it too late to call Timbo?

 

 

JD Era Feat.  Donny Goines-9-5

I gotta say XXL probably should have looked a little further north with their freshman issue.  Maybe we go back and do it the right way.  Both MC’s go in hard on this.  The subject ain’t exactly original but the passion and the delivery is there and this is definitely bumpable and the execution is definitely above par.  I would say we could use more of this.

 

 

Sedrew Price-Price Is Right

I remember when cats were rapping over Super Mario brothers and the NFL theme song and it was cute for a while then it was like post Das Efx with everyone saturating the game with the same s**t. Well they stopped that but now we have Sedrew rapping over the theme song to the game show The Price Is Right.  The beat is actually executed fairly well. 

 

You can’t escape the novelty of it but it’s not a wtf moment when you hear it. I’m still on the fence about this kid.  He has presence, he has an above average delivery, but you’ve heard this song and many of his songs before.  It’s not new.  I think if he got a bit more creative he can go somewhere in this. Cute track, but I can’t see myself bumping it constantly.

 

 

Cashis-On Decc

Another guy with potential that you just can’t ride with all the way because his material is pedestrian. I think if these guys spent maybe a month not listening to rap music and listening to other forms of music and other sources of inspiration it would really do so much for their music.  This is a Seinfeldian song about nothing but it’s enough to hold your attention. It’s at least worth a couple listens.  Nothing more nothing less.

 

 

Paul Wall Feat. Webbie –Bizzy Body

This song is made for the poles…or so I’ve heard.  Sheree can invite her girlfriends over and get upside down on this.  Seriously though the song bumps.  It’s catchy on the hook, heavy on the bass, and fast enough to get that ass boppin.  I think it’s gonna get some traction.  Once you accept the song for what it is (yeah I’m talking to you boom bap Jedi’s) then you can enjoy it.  G-strings in strip clubs across America was going to get stuffed to this.

 

 

Guru Feat.  Lord Tariq –Knowledge

Guru and Lord Tariq ditch their more famous partnerships to come together on this gem.  A throwback short and sweet joint that I f**s with.  Hard to lose over the “Know The Ledge” beat but and they get ferocious with it.  Throwback factor, dope rhyme factor, plus we haven’t really heard from either one of these guys in a minute so it’s all gravy.

 

 

 

Chamillionaire-Swagger Like Us Freestyle

Incorporating a few bits from each of the original emcees rapping on this beat, Chamilitary goes for broke over the freestyle beat of the moment.  It’s dope.  He gets busy on this and looks like he’s on the comeback from his underwhelming last album.  Homie goes in on rappers rhyming about dough but nothing else, rappers who get over on swag but no lyrical might, and the game in general.  It’s a worthy joint. Get ready for that Mixtape Messiah part 5.

 

 

Ludacris, Nas, & Jay-z –I Do It For Hip-Hop

This in one of the better collaborative tracks to come out in recent weeks.  This has Ludacris going seriously staking his place among the true heavyweights of MC’ing.  He has the sales he has the talent.  This is how powerful he can be when he takes himself seriously. I really would like to see more of this from him. 

Nas drops a Nas –x verse, which is to say it’s dope but no new ground here.  This level of rhyming is expected from Nas and he delivers. Jay –Z goes in a totally different direction with the old MC Shan from “The Bridge” cadence. Goes over a bit of Hip-Hop history and still flosses.  Kind of similar to what he tried on “Blue Magic” but I don’t think this is the song to try that on because it’s a stylistic departure from the other two verses.  It makes him sound out of place.  Overall though, I’d be inclined to listen to this for many spins.

 

That’s all for now, onto the OT

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Bump It or Blow It: The Dedication 3

It’s out and it’s hit the streets, but the word is not coming back too positive.  Shout to Drake we got that interview coming soon and the rest of those Young Money cats who it seems have performed admirably. I won’t color your opinions on this one. Vote in the poll and find out what the Ill Community thinks.

 

DJ Drama & Lil Wayne - Dedication 3

 


Poll Answers

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DOUBLE OT-LADIES TAKEOVER

 

I promised Miss Dallas a couple weeks ago and I’m a dude of my word so here are some of the greatest tracks featuring female emcees.

 

 

She may have gotten deaded for being a liar and all that but her album in myopinion was one of the top 5 female albums of all time bar none.

 

 

MC Lyte over  a smoothed out track. All the swagger, All that Brooklyn Flavor.  At that point no one could touch her.

 

 

If not for a Kurupt explosion, we would be talking about how Rage owned this track.  As it is, it's one of the most brutal performances on a track by a female emcee ever. No need for affirmative action on this. Lady of Rage was a killer

 

 

I don't really care how cats feel about Kim, she's basically had the best career by a female emcee and on this record she bodied Prodigy, who at the time was still one of the lyrical heavyweights. You can't say enough about her performance on this.

 

Aw man, the rugged ragga flow, the knowledge she dropped, the feeling that this song was aimed at someone specific (which added some drama) the lack of candy and the ill sung chorus.  This was just the perfect song.  Assertive delivery, clear diction, ill references.  This song was just the total package. AND it was a hit.  Hold that.

 

 

Bahamadia is one of the truly great tragedies of Hip-Hop.  If she were a man, or if she were a hot chick, people would be all over her.  Instead she gets to have the dreaded critically acclaimed, underrated moral victories.  Dope flow with the sultry raspy voice.  Lyrical execution. On this joint there's no fluff. Hold your heads.

 

 

You can't really mention a list of female songs without metioning this.  I know it's a lazy pick but it is what it is. Monie comes with the rapid fire flow and of course the Queen gets it in.

 

Foxy delivers her own version of "Where I'm From." I could have picked some of her other songs but I didnt feel like it.  This is nice and gully without her rapping about sucking d**ks or any of that crap.

 

Jean Grae to me is the most consistently ill female lyricist of all time. Sorry Lauryn fans one album just can't cut it.  I hope she's really not retiring. Jean has a ton of material but here she goes toe to toe with one of the best MC of the now school. I f**ks with this hard. Prolly not all time I suppose but so what.

 

Of course with a limited list there are tons of songs I missed or left out or you feel should have been included.  You already know what to do.  Peace out Brussel Sprouts.


Comments

 

DJ TEKNISION said:

LYTE IS THE QUEEN AND JEAN GRAE IS A LYRICAL BEAST!!  WE CAN'T FORGET MS HILL, WHEN SHE WAS ON HER GAME SHE WAS ON POINT.

GOOD MUSIC FOR GOOD PEOPLE..
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COME GET SOME HISTORY!!!
November 16, 2008 3:58 PM
 

poe said:

Luda needs to make a vid for that "I Do It For Hip-Hop"


http://www.myspace.com/musiqjunkyproductions
November 16, 2008 4:04 PM
 

DABIZ said:

BEYONCE ON SNL VIDEO & PICTURES HERE http://www.atlnightspots.com/2008/11/16/beyonce-on-snl/
November 16, 2008 4:12 PM
 

OaklandsOwn said:

Lil' Kim - Queen Bitch.....




.....The hardest verses from a female EVER (eventhough Biggie most likely wrote it).

Please believe it.
November 16, 2008 4:14 PM
 

MissDallasTx214 said:

Thanks O.D. : )
Good lookin out on the Boss track, I remember that song and she was on the radio station here for a min...what happened, what did she lie about?!?......
Yea Kim will always be the notorious K.I.M. in my book, even if she did rap about sexual innuendos on 90% of her tracks, at least she was creative with it, these knock-offs are just a watered down imitation and that sh*t aint good enough to get any play on my radio.....
I agree with you Jean Grae is an ill female lyricist and she doesn't get the props she deserves...I have yet to see her on BET, smh, they need to just pull the plug on BET already.
November 16, 2008 4:44 PM
 

odeisel said:

it's sad that Kweli aint really bring her out the way she wanted to be out.

As far as kim goes you can say BIG wrote whatever, but treach was writing for Latifah, Milk and Giz wrote for Lyte, Del wrote for YoYo. Lauren Hill Lost in court over her album so most of them at somepoint had some help.

As far as Boss it seems so stupid not but when the keep it real crew was at its strongest she made the mistake of coming out as a gangster rapper when she was in college and not from the hood. Kinda dumb looking back at it considering how these guys now lie about everything
November 16, 2008 4:56 PM
 

adopefemalemc said:

MC Lyte did a show in the Bay yesterday in Oakland

--love the hook of that Cha-Cha---ironically, I got a song w/ that beat on my page, on the song Bay Boys.



And, yeah, Miss Dallas, I agree w/ u on Jean Grae.


November 16, 2008 5:17 PM
 

shelz said:

bahamadia's cover of paper thin is one of my favorite songs ever!!! a shame that it never happened for her.

and yeah, boss seemed to fall off the face of the earth....i preferred progress of elimination tho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bCc0epw1LM
November 16, 2008 5:17 PM
 

DOC JAM said:

I have yet to explore the depths of Jean Grae...But shit man..Learn to spell mufucka! LaurYn!!! And LaurYn Hill has 2 albums with the Fugees, and 2 Solo albums (Unplugged 2.0 is ALL original material and is undeniably brilliant lyrically)...

So while I repsect your punk ass opinion...

LAURYN HILL is THE GREATEST!!!!!!!
November 16, 2008 5:32 PM
 

odeisel said:

Hey groupie the unplugged album was trash. she only rapped on 4 songs on miseducation. You dont have a real opinion cause you haven't even heard Jean Grae to a real extent. The first fugee album was asscheeks too.

No disrespect to Lauryn but Jean Grae has 4 albums and a shitload of mixtapes and she goes in on every one. Before you drop some prayers and the Lauryn Hill altar give Grae a chance.  Saying Lauren is the greatest with such a limited body of meterial is like saying biggie smalls is the greatest with two albums.  I SOUNDS good but nope.

November 16, 2008 5:56 PM
 

stlouisda1st said:

@ DOC JAM said:
I have yet to explore the depths of Jean Grae...But shit man..Learn to spell mufucka! LaurYn!!! And LaurYn Hill has 2 albums with the Fugees, and 2 Solo albums (Unplugged 2.0 is ALL original material and is undeniably brilliant lyrically)...

So while I repsect your punk ass opinion...

LAURYN HILL is THE GREATEST!!!!!!!
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In 1998, four beatmaker-songwriters - Vada Nobles, Rasheem Pugh, Tejumold and Johari Newton - filed a fifty-page lawsuit against Hill, her management, and her record label, stating that Hill "used their songs and production skills but failed to properly credit them for the work. Known as New Ark, the musicians claimed that they either wrote or produced 13 of 14 tracks on Miseducation, despite the liner notes of the album claiming that it was "produced, written, arranged and performed by Lauryn Hill." New Ark requested partial writing credits and monetary reimbursement. The suit was settled out of court in February of 2001, over two years after it was filed.

New Ark's lawyer, Peter C. Harvey, scoffed at Hill's new image as a prolific songwriter. “She is not a musician, she is not a producer...I dare say if you put Lauryn Hill in a studio alone, she couldn’t do it again.
If she is so brilliant what was the settlement for. She was nothing but a whore anyway ask WYCLEF.

Hands down, LYTE or LATIFAH

CHI-TOWN STAND UP!
November 16, 2008 6:19 PM
 

everybodyisasnitch said:

I HAVE ALL FIVE ALBUMS OF JEAN GRAE, ALL I CAN SAY IS YOU WILL NEVER CATCH HER LYRICALLY SLIPPING. PLUS I HAD THE PLEASURE OF SEEING HER PERFORM. SHE KEEPS THE GEMS COMING. JUST WISH THE RADIO WASN'T CONTROLLED BY THE MAN, IF YOU INTO HIPHOP YOU WOULD LOVE HER MUSIC....TRUST.  
JEAN CATALOG:
Attack of the Attacking Things (2002)
The Bootleg of the Bootleg EP (2003)
This Week (2004)
The Orchestral Files (2007)
Jeanius with 9th Wonder (2008)

P.S WISH RAGE WOULD HAVE CAME OUT WITH AN ALBUM.
November 16, 2008 7:36 PM
 

Davy da prince said:

I agree wit O.D,Lauryn hill cant be the greatest femcee cuz she jus hasnt released enuf material sadly she just wasting away her talent. But Jean Grae is in at anotha level.
November 17, 2008 2:01 AM
 

DOC JAM said:

@stlouisda1st

My stating that Lauryn Hill was the greatest was in no way meant to diminish the contributions of Vada Nobles, Rasheem Pugh or Newton Twins to the overall brilliance of The Miseducation......All of those brothers are extremely talented in their own right, and while I was disappointed when this story was released to mainstream media, I knew from first listen that Lauryn PROBABLY didn't do the "Prince" on that project and that the LABEL probably wanted it to look like that, for marketing purposes......Whatever the case, Miseducation is undeniably excellent, and I appreciated all of the minds that contributed to it's greatness..........BUT ESPECIALLY LAURYN HILL...
She was definitely the core of that bunch....

November 17, 2008 3:25 AM
 

DOC JAM said:

@    
odeisel said:
Hey groupie the unplugged album was trash. she only rapped on 4 songs on miseducation. You dont have a real opinion cause you haven't even heard Jean Grae to a real extent. The first fugee album was asscheeks too.

No disrespect to Lauryn but Jean Grae has 4 albums and a shitload of mixtapes and she goes in on every one. Before you drop some prayers and the Lauryn Hill altar give Grae a chance.  Saying Lauren is the greatest with such a limited body of meterial is like saying biggie smalls is the greatest with two albums.  I SOUNDS good but nope.
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Lauryn Hill's Unplugged 2.0 gets overlooked tremendously because of it's presentation, however I felt every song...

and you make a valid point....Lauryn Hill didn't rap much on Unplugged nor did she rap much on The Miseduction.....and even with The Fugees, the group as a whole shined it's brightest and reached more people when she would sing.....So I say all that to say that Lauryn Hill transcended the traditional boundaries often placed on hip hop...
but regardless of whatever mainstream success she attained...LAURYN HILL IS AND WILL FOREVER BE HIP HOP....

But as it pertains to 2.0....It doesn't matter whether she rapped or sang.....WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LYRICIST!!!! I.E. LYRICS!!!
Lauryn's Lyrics on 2.0 are as deep as the abyss...pure unadulterated truth....And while she didn't have the benefit of having a great producer (9th Wonder) to solidify the backdrop for such powerful lyricism, for me, the message got across so clear....

However in all fairness...I haven't listened to Jean Grae in depth, and while I have heard nothing but positive words of her talent, I normally would brush her music off for one reason or another.....But in this case, seeing how so many people feel that she is more LYRICALLY talented than the great Lauryn Hill, I will make it my business to get all 4 Jean Grae ALBUMS, listen to them in depth...and then I will re-assess my stance...

So until then...
LAURYN HILL is THE GREATEST!!!!
November 17, 2008 3:41 AM
 

T-Black 79 said:

Every time I read a list like this they leave off my girl (and Jersey's own) Rah Digga. Go back and get her CD it's one of the best CD's from a female ever! Classic so you gotta add her to thge list!
November 17, 2008 8:31 AM
 

Cholo1510 said:

Yes i agree Rah Digga should be on this list...However, Ya'll crazy to say that Ms. Hill aint the greatest of all time. IN my opinon....her 1 studio album is on my top 3 greatest albums of all time...No one really is F** with Mr. Jone's Illmatic but it came ultra close. Lost ones was a great example but i woulda put her verse from The mask or Fuggee La. She also has a track on the score with rah Digga called Cowboys. Supposesly this was a 2pac diss since he hate the Fuggees and all...idk...Kim has had the best "career" i would never knock that. She's ill. And that fox song is the hardest female track ever. Makes me want to go get shot in brooklyn or some shit lol...Peace let me go before my boss smacks me for spending 2 hours on Allhiphop lol
November 17, 2008 12:41 PM
 

MR-DMV said:

@ Everyone

Please don't ask Nia B to apologize for her comments about Nelly learning the hard way with the death of his sister.  Its funny because she try's to sound so perfect and good but has the nerve to imply that Cornell's sister deserved to die because the his video.  she sounds like a women scorn, with very low self esteem who looks to find joy in other people pain.  Pretty nasty lady and you cant reason with people like that, sound like one of you brothers done messed up her credit and put a rack of miles on her car.  

Nia you need to go out and have a one night stand cause you got alot of built up tension!!!  And don't lie to us and say you got a man cause we aren't buying it.  Come out the bat cave mama.....................
November 17, 2008 1:05 PM
 

gr8-1 said:

I hate when people talk about the greatest female MC's and do not mention Mia X from No Limit. She was wrecking male rappers in the game back then. If you don't believe me go check out her album Unlady Like. Now thats a Classic! BTW have you forgotten about I'm Bout It?
November 17, 2008 1:19 PM
 

raynestizzy said:

Nina B will be on that greatest females list soon...

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November 17, 2008 2:04 PM
 

odeisel said:

I featured Mia X and bout it part 2 on a previous sick sundays.  i never forgets the biggest mama mia but I'm trying to spread some love.  No slight intended.

As far as the apex i dont think many pound for pound can see lauryn at her best on a given night. But she aint rapping all the time. She rapped on a third of her album.  You can't say stevie wonder or prince or michael jackson is the greatest mc cause they got deep lyrics. They not rapping. I'm not shitting on her but i was very specific in my words. "consistently ill female lyricist" I love lauryn as an mc but to me she never mc'd enough. it is what is is. But you should give grae a shot.
November 17, 2008 2:28 PM
 

HOT97 said:

Im glad you stressed the fact that you Had alot of songs to choose from, with Foxy Brown...She is very underrated
November 17, 2008 4:27 PM
 

WhitneynStevie said:

"Jean Grae to me is the most consistently ill female lyricist of all time. Sorry Lauryn fans one album just can't cut it."

Do you forget that she was on one of the best hip hop groups of of all time, called THE (mothafuckin) FUGEES!!?? She not only ripped every track on their CD but she demolished both the dudes she was rapping with. With that being said, I dont think its fair to call Lauryn the best female rapper when she didnt have alot of songs compared to all the rest. But with that being the case, is it really okay for us to say that B.I.G is the greatest rapper of all time?? I think that with 2 group albums and one solo album, L-Boogie was sooo convincing to be called the best! Like if someone had 5 albums and 10 mixtapes and aint considered one of the best but I only had a handful and you even CONSIDER me, ima say give me that! Its not the quanity but the quality.Jean is the truth by the way and just how Black people came together and made it happen for Obama, us women need to come together for the female causes like in hip hop because the game is ridicously lop-sided and overtly sexist.
November 17, 2008 5:24 PM
 

SoulSistaWoo said:

My Favorite Female MC's, in no particular order. These women in my opinion can stand on a stage w/a Mic and a DJ and battle the male MC's Hip Hop has to offer...

Jean Grae
Lauryn Hill
Isis
Bahamadia
Rah Digga

And as far as Lauryn Hill being the best, based on my list I can not choose... but I MUST say that she stands out talen wise...
Lauryn Hill Moves me... if she is rapping I am forced to Rewind... if she is singing I am moved to emotion and her lines are always so real and I am inspired...

She was a bring and shining star in the Fugees... the Miseducation of Lauryn Hill is a Classic for all times and age groups, Lauryn Hill MTV Unplugged... was a FAR CRY from garbage if you are able to raise your musical taste and tap into your spirituality... She moves me to tears on Gotta Find Peace of Mind and Rebel.

Each time Lauryn blesses the mic she is inspired and moving… this is her yet to be released joint… you gotta love her and respect the talent…

Please check this ...

WORLD IS A HUSTLE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-A07A8uNmk

And for who ever is toiling in the gutter of her personal past… get over it. Lauryn Hill is no Whore, But Wycliff jean is defiantly a bitch ass male… who disrespects his own wife on all levels… in his quest to disrespect Lauryn Hill he disrespected and humiliated his own wife.
November 17, 2008 7:55 PM
 

odeisel said:

she barely rapped on the fugee album too. but evne if you take the fugee albums thats a third of two albums one of which was wack.  yes when she was on she was dead on.  but how often was she on? (On meaning actually mc'ing)  

if you 100% from the freethrow line but you only getting fouled twice a game then it don't affect the game and the fact of the matter is she had a nation of women in the palm of her hand...and she left them hanging. Abandoned them. Left the game the money and her own advice on the table. I know miseducation means alot to most of the 10 million who bought it.  I bought it.  I'd just rather hear her rap. she can have that singing as far as i can throw it. I won't hold not writing miseducation by herself against her because many of the women on this list including lyte and the queen had writers, but I'm not gonna slight someone devoted to Hip-Hop and rapping for a part time rapper.  Feel how you want it's a free country
November 17, 2008 8:07 PM
 

SoulSistaWoo said:

Lauryn Hill MTV Unplugged...

Mystery of Inquity...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ4xpiYS1fI

Check the MC... doing her thing... make sure you keep ya hand on rewind!  

Possibly written during the whole Miseducation drama... Mia X, Foxy Brown and any other psudo MC can't fade Lauryn Hill!



November 17, 2008 8:27 PM
 

SoulSistaWoo said:

As far a Lauryn leaving us her female fans hanging I disagree...

In this Hip Hop era of Bling, materialism and highly sexual MCing I think Lauryn Hill's ability to walk away and do what she wants when she wants to is a testiment to her as an artist, a person  and MOTHER...

She chose her children at every opportunity... to give her children not only LIFE; but what she had as a child... an on hands MOTHER...

I love and respect the fact that Lauryn Hill is not one of these phony spot light seeking hookers representing black women out here... I love when she drops jewels for us among all the garbage that we are constantly bombarded with...

AND with 5 years away from the game she is STILL listed among the best! you gotta respect it!

November 17, 2008 8:42 PM
 

odeisel said:

in order to shoot down your theory, which i believe to be different, it would be a disservice to ms. hill so i'll just let it ride.  shes certianly one of the greatest and i'll leave it at that.
we can use more female mcs
November 17, 2008 10:04 PM
 

Cholo1510 said:

and where is the GOAT????/ Roxanne Shante??!??!!?!
November 20, 2008 11:50 AM
 

laddertheory7 said:

Lauren is the real deal
November 20, 2008 6:28 PM
 

faithwalk said:

I only wish the best for Hip Hop and that it continues to mature. I miss Lauren Hill.

http://faithwalkclothing.blogspot.com/
November 20, 2008 11:52 PM
 

craigiscool said:

Lil kims queen bitch should be on hear and foxys Ride Down South or Its Hard Being Wifee And i think lauren cant be the greatest cause u get like one rap song for every 20 other kinds from her. now lil kim i think is the top female emcee of all time she adapts to the music she always keeps it real to herself and her hood and there hasnt been a single female to touch her levl yet . also i think Charli baltimore shouldve been on here even though her albums never made it off the shelves she has some of the sickest flows if you all check out ill bitch by charli baltimore or 30 miles form baltimore ull kno what im talking about
November 22, 2008 8:19 AM
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