FISCAL FALLOUT: Bailout Blunder 
Published Wednesday, October 01, 2008 3:00 PM
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    By Jermaine Spradley

    Last time,we talked about how we got into this financial crisis – (link to yesterday’s editorial) today, let’s take a look at what our Federal Government is doing (or not doing) about it.

     

    Almost two weeks ago Henry Paulson – the current Secretary of the Treasury (a cabinet position – appointed by George W. Bush) proposed a bill that would give the Treasury  700 Billion dollars to lift Wall Street out of the gridlock it’s been in of late.  Since the plan was introduced, The White house, the Treasury, and Congress have been fighting  tooth and nail to hammer out the details of the proposal.  On Monday, the proposal finally came to a vote… and failed.  Subsequently, we saw the largest drop in the Dow in  history.  Most Americans aren’t sure whether they should be happy the “bailout bill” failed, or worried about what the failure means to our financial markets.  How about we – as the Hip-Hop Nation – look at all angles and figure out our own opinions.

     

    So we all got to the same page previously in understanding that the root of the problem is the massive amount of foreclosures that are, in large part, caused by the packaging home loans into Collateralized Debt Obligations (CDO’s).  As people began to foreclose, the value of those CDO’s began to fall dramatically to the point where they were almost worthless. 


    Banks, Investment Banks and Hedge Funds who were heavily invested in these CDOs lost billions of dollars – their stock prices and value subsequently falling.   As they fell, banks – fearing the worst - began holding on to more of their cash. In doing so the country's economic system screeched to a grinding halt.  When banks begin losing value, and investors lose confidence, they begin charging more interest to lend money to each other, and to American businesses, and eventually they stop lending all together. 

     

    Millions of Americans are employed by small, medium, and large businesses that rely on loans - from these Wall Street Banks - to meet their everyday operating expenses. Take, for example a company like Caterpillar (the company that makes all those tractors and lawn mowers).  Two weeks ago they could borrow money to cover operating expenses at 3%.  This week they’re paying close to 8%.  That may not seem like a big jump, but when you’re talking about a medium sized company employing thousands of people, you’re talking about a difference of millions of dollars.  If it becomes too expensive for them to borrow, they can’t make payroll.  If they can’t make payroll – they go out of business and all those jobs are lost. 

     

    Seeing this begin to happen, Treasury Secretary Paulson, with the backing of President Bush, proposed a plan to take 700 Billion Dollars of tax payer money and use it to buy the toxic CDOs that are bogging down these Wall Street firms.  That, essentially, is the bailout plan - 700 Billion Dollars, to be used at the discretion of the Treasury to buy CDOs.  Central to the theory that this is a good idea are two principles:

     

    1. We can’t let these institutions fail because in doing so; we jeopardize thousands of business that rely on them everyday for loans, which in turn, jeopardizes millions of American jobs.
    2. These CDOs are worth more then their current market value.

     

    We already discussed the relationship between the Wall Street banks and the businesses that employ most Americans – now, let’s look at the other important piece of this plan – valuing Collateralized Debt Obligations.

     

    The theory that these CDOs are worth more than their current value has everything to do with stopping foreclosures.  Every time someone goes into foreclosure the value of some CDO at some Wall Street bank or fund takes a hit.  Right now, no one on Wall Street knows when the foreclosures are going to stop and because of that, the Market price for these securities linked to home loans is next to nothing. When the foreclosures stop however, the value of the CDO’s may increase tremendously. 

     

    Think of it this way:

     

    Say you have a CDO that consists of 100 thirty-year mortgages.  So far, since housing prices started decreasing about 14 months ago, 5 out of those 100 homes attached to those mortgages have gone into foreclosure.  That CDO has then lost 5% of its value.  That’s where we are right now.  We don’t know whether 5, 10, 15, or even 20 more homes out of that 100 are going to go into foreclosure – and because we don’t know that, we don’t know how to value that CDO.  The goal of the Treasury is plan is to use tax payer money to buy that CDO for below it’s current market value, stop the foreclosures in it, then sell it back to Wall Street - as a stable entity - for a nice profit.

     

    This is where the haggling began between Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, President Bush, Democratic Congressmen, Republican Congressmen, Barack Obama and John McCain.

     

    Let’s go through each side of the debate and try and understand what they’re fighting for.

     

    Henry Paulson and George Bush

     

    Paulson and Bush are the architects of this plan (really, just Paulson).  It should be noted that Paulson is the former HNIC of The (former)Investment Bank - Goldman Sachs, he left Goldman to become Treasury Secretary for Bush in 2007 – His package upon leaving… over 160 Million dollars.  Both Paulson and Bush seem to be, in this case, primarily concerned with doing whatever they can to pass this proposal to prevent the bleeding on Wall Street from trickling further in the lives of average Americans.  They believe the country is on the brink of disaster, and that this is the best way to avert that disaster.

     

    Democratic Congressmen

     

    The Democrats in Congress primary concern is making sure that this bailout plan doesn’t come off as if the government is rewarding Wall Street its failures.  They want to limit the power of Secretary Paulson in overseeing the plan; his original proposal, called for him to have sole authority over how the $700 Billion is spent, without any oversight by congress or any court in the nation.  Democrats also wanted to limit the compensation of Wall Street executives make use of the plan by getting rid of their companies bad CDOs.  Again, they don’t want folks to be rewarded for failure.  Most importantly, Democrats wanted the ability to re-work mortgages in the securities they purchase in order to prevent people from going into foreclosure as this is the central cause of the crisis

     

     

    Republicans, typically, are against Government intervention into the Financial Markets.  They believe the markets will regulate themselves, and that banks, just like anything else, should be allowed to fail.  Some Republicans in congress favor a plan that, instead of purchasing CDO’s, lends Wall Street banks money to remove some of the burden caused by mortgage backed securities. 

     

     

    Caught in the middle of all this are the two Presidential candidates, Senators Barack Obama and John McCain.  Both candidates are trying to juggle their knowledge that the government has to do something to stop this crisis, with their knowledge that the average American is against the bailing out Wall Street.  John McCain has the unique task of calling for the kind of regulation needed to prevent problems like this from happening again, despite the fact that he’s fought against this kind of regulation in the past.

     

    When the final details of this proposal are finally agreed (or not agreed) to, we’ll take a look at how everything we talked about above gets worked out… stay tuned!


    Comments

     

    Jayles101 said:

    give us another rebate check! f*&^ IT!
    October 1, 2008 3:03 PM
     

    ppplild said:

    Man can not help man... we need the intervention of GOD.

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    October 1, 2008 3:25 PM
     

    Bizar Mindz Inc said:

    a buddie of mine, fwrd this to me, b4 they decliened the bill... but peep it out... cuz it makes mad sence... but ofcourse, itll kick up sum shit up 4 the people wit "habbits"...

    Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a 'We Deserve It Dividend'.

    To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bonifide U.S. Citizens 18+.

    Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up.

    So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.

    My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a 'We Deserve It Dividend'.

    Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.

    Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,50000 in taxes. That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.

    But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A husband and wife has $595,000.00.

    What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?

    Pay off your mortgage, housing crisis solved.
    Repay college loans, what a great boost to new grads
    Put away money for college, it'll be there
    Save in a bank, create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
    Buy a new car, create jobs
    Invest in the market , capital drives growth
    Pay for your parent's medical insurance, health care improves
    Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean, or else

    Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+  including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.

    If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it..instead of trickling out a puny $1000.00 (vote buy) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.

    If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!

    As for AIG liquidate it. Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American General. Sell off the real estate. Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.

    Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.

    Sure it's a crazy idea that can never work. Maybe???

    But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!

    How do you spell Economic Boom?

    I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion 'We Deserve It Dividend' more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC.

    And remember, The Birk plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.
    October 1, 2008 3:28 PM
     

    HELLRAISER said:

    na we need to stop going to wars that we cant fund. stop spending money on pointless things. also stop getting into other peoples problems and let them solve it themselves.
    October 1, 2008 3:30 PM
     

    NewWest-310 said:

    Thanks again for the article Jermaine. These are very informative and put complex issues into lamens terms for us all to understand. Its important for everybody to know exaclty what is going on, the different ways being proposed to fix it, and where each candidate stands on the solution. I hope people are reading these articles as much as they read the Rumors because an informed public is whats needed to get Barak into the White House.
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    Jayles101 said:
    give us another rebate check! f*&^ IT!

    @Jayles101

    I understand its a facetious statement, but the reason we got those rebates is because they KNEW this shit was going to happen. In the end that $600 will cost us a lot more than it was worth.



    October 1, 2008 3:35 PM
     

    aaxnapalm1 said:

    I'm in favor of government intervention AND allowing the banks to fail. The reality is these banks aren't as broke as they claim to be. They're rich people broke. These banks don't want to operate at a loss like most small business occasionally have to do. The banks can tough it out. But rich folks don't like to struggle. I don't think government regulation in financial markets is a bad thing. As long as the banks maintain a good deal of control i think govt intervention is ok. Somebody has to make sure that these banks can't just do whatever they want. Especially since their greed is what got us into this mess in the first place. If there was govt regulation to prevent mortgages from being used in CDOs then we might be in a slightly better position. There also needs to be govt intervention/investigation into predatory lending. I know a lot of people who wouldn't have otherwise  gotten houses were able to get them with these subprime mortgages but the banks were just setting these people up for failure.  So really there are a bunch of folks to blame for this big mess. And the taxpayers have to take the blame too. If you know you can only afford a 100k house don't buy a 200k house no matter how good that interest rate looks. I learned this the hard way, I got a beautiful BMW last year for a relatively cheap price. I knew i couldn't afford a BMW but it was cheap so i got it. So a few months later when the car started having problems I couldn't afford the expensive ass repairs. But you know what they say hindsight is 20/20. Bottom line: Don't buy shit you know you can't afford. And greed will ultimately lead to your downfall.
    October 1, 2008 3:37 PM
     

    raynestizzy said:

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    October 1, 2008 3:41 PM
     

    NewWest-310 said:

    @Bizar Mindz Inc

    I got that same e-mail homie. I mean it looks nice but who really knows how that math would work. Only in a perfect world....
    October 1, 2008 3:45 PM
     

    aaxnapalm1 said:

    @ raynestizzy

    the election is november 4th!

    @bizar

    Man that deal sounds nicer than reparations. And we know good and damn well we'll never get reparations. The govt ain't ever shelling out that kinda dough even if they could tax it at 40%.  I'm 23 years old I'd lose my damn mind with 400k.  but I'd sure be able to pay off my student loans and save the rest for when I finish my PhD in 2012-13.  But here's the thing with that deal.  If the govt gave the people that kinda dough it'd cause massive inflation. The money supply would increase and drive the price level up. So your 3 dollar loaf of wonder bread gonna be like 9 bucks.  The difference between giving the money to people and the bailout plan is that the bailout doesn't use "real" money. It uses the idea of money. Naturally the treasury isn't going to deliver billions of dollars cash to various banks. One thing a lot of people don't understand is that money isn't real. It's really just a green piece of paper. The only reason is has value is because we believe it does. Now it might sound crazy but the dollar isn't backed by anything. It's called fiat money. It used to be backed by the gold in fort knox. But the govt realized that they could grow the economy more by not backing it with gold. So it's based on the strength of the US economy. And that's why prices go up when we're in a recession. Because people believe that the US economy is down so the value of the dollar goes down.  Bottom line is that the American people would want their money in actual cash so the increase in cash on the street would cause massive inflation. It'd stimulate the economy but with  huge negative effects. It's called stagflation, the price level would go up but we wouldn't really be growing the economy. But I will tell you that people would be a lot happier, until the money's spent and we're all stuck with high ass prices. Then the govt can buy the cash back in the form of bonds but it'd cost them in terms of the interest they'd have to pay. But it sure sounds nice as first. Sorry if i ruined it for everyone, lol i'm an economist I analyze everything.
    October 1, 2008 4:00 PM
     

    Hard Liquor said:

    @ Bizar Mindz Inc:
    Thats a great plan.....but it will never happen. Our politicians are corrupt. That idea of yours will eliminate the whole middle class, and make the rich richer.
    Not to mention, sudden wealth without education equals disaster, it would look like an episode of Chappelle Show. Our government doesnt even own its own assets anymore, much less the will to boost our economy.
    Throwing us a bone with stimilus checks was a sign of things to come. Im not in panic mode, but it sure is looking like even politicians arent in charge anymore.
    October 1, 2008 4:02 PM
     

    WaketheFup said:

    WHOEVER GAVE YOU THAT IDEA needs to spend more time in math class and less time trying to come up with a plan ( that if his math was correct, would ruin the economy due to inflation)  If everyone has the same amount of money then the dollar is worth nothing bc everyone can afford a new car everyone can aforrd a new house...etc..etc.....

    THE CORRECT MATH IS $425 dollars...not 425K....SMH
    October 1, 2008 4:21 PM
     

    bionicman said:

    @ bizar mindz
    Would any of u americans ever work again?
    I actually would like to see the tragic comedy of what that would bring.

    vote democrats. obama08, please!
                                    - Itä-HKI, Finland. stand up!
    October 1, 2008 4:26 PM
     

    sillyme said:

    inflation isnt real......
    October 1, 2008 5:09 PM
     

    AZtheVisualiza said:

    pure democratic propaganda
    October 1, 2008 5:27 PM
     

    makavalias said:

    If you really want to know some real talk on how we got into this mess watch the following documentaries....it will scare you....

    Freedom to Facism
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

    Zeitgeist
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197
    October 1, 2008 5:44 PM
     

    Savy_Da_Boss said:

    @ Bizar Mindz Inc

    Yeah I posted that in the rumors section yesterday and niggas went nuts!! LOL

    But its all about power & greed when you bust it down to basics. All this shit could easily be fixed but none of the powers that be want to relinquish the power over the people. They want to control the world and dont want to make it an even playing field.

    The way they have it set up as far as the whole Federal System Reserve(money) is like coming into a basketball game down by 40 points playing 5 against 3....
    October 1, 2008 6:25 PM
     

    CESS said:

    yall need to DEAD the federal reserve yo... they BEEN doin shit like this and its a good thing that the bailout didnt happen...

    i mean, are yall aware that for every hundred dollar bill in your country, your gov't BUYS it for 100$, and still PAYS INTEREST on that very bill they bought? haha

    your economy has been gettin pimped by them since 1913...

    who do u think woulda saw that 700 billion?

    all of this shit... the housing crisis... all of it, is caused at will by the federal reserve... and to anyone who knows anything, bush's fam connects with the fed reserve runs DEEP... why the hell do u think he pushed to get it passed SO BAD and SO URGENTLY without explainin how it the 700 billion help n where it'd go?
    October 1, 2008 7:23 PM
     

    CESS said:

    also, yall gotta see the movie "Recount" with dennis leary and kevin spacey, about the gore - bush election...
    anyone who knows about the Bilderbergers and all that shit will easily see how real that shit was in 2000... gore got fuckin ROBBED... even he realized he couldnt beat what he was up against at the end... "even if i win, i cant win...."
    crazy...
    October 1, 2008 7:28 PM
     

    Musiclover79 said:

    This is terrible and all a sham. The election, the economy, notice has they are starting to call it a "relief package" versus bailout, trying to sweeten the words. Bottom line is that it's affecting credit and that the banks are lending money to each other as they have more liabilities than assets. Still, we SHOULD NOT bail them or ourselves out. We've turned into a selfish group of "every time this new phone comes out I have to get it" type of people, what happened to making due with what you had? Sure folks will suffering, but that will add to the suffering. Do you guys realize that when he first asked for the money (Paulson) He LITERALLY stated without ANY OVERSIGHT or ANY QUESTIONS ASKED?
    You do the math.
    October 1, 2008 7:38 PM
     

    Yung MFN R.I.C. said:

    @ aaxnapalm1 :

    I THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT TO THE OBLIVIOUS...PEOPLE DONT REALIZE THAT WAAAY BACC IN THA DAY THESE DOLLARS WERE ONLY RECEIPTS THAT YOU USED IN ORDER TO REDEEM GOLD WHICH HAD THE REAL VALUE...THATZ WHAT KEPT INFLATION FROM HAPPENING BECAUSE U CANT PRINT TOO MUCH GOLD WHENEVER YOU LIKE BUT THESE PAPER DOLLARZ AINT SHIT TO PRINT AND REPRINT...

    AND @ SILLYME:
    INFLATION IS VERY REAL,,, WHEN U HAVE A SURPLUS (WHICH IN THIS CASE WOULD BE DOLLARS) THE VALUE OF THAT GOES DOWN WHICH (EVENTUALLY) CAUSES INFLATION:
                                     Quantity Theory of Money, MV = PT... learn it, live it, love it.
    October 1, 2008 7:44 PM
     

    T-ROC said:

    As always  I read the whole post. As someone who has been following this whole economic crisis from DAY ONE.

    I will say this: I am not saying the writer is wrong. But, one of the reason we got into this mess are as follows:

    Banks sold bad mortgages to anyone whether you can afford them or not. The banks then took those bad mortgages traded them on WALLSTREET knowing they were bad. BUT, before they could sell them on WALLSTREET. They got lobbyist to go to CONGRESS and tell the politicians "look we have some "investments" we know their bad but, let us put it on WALLSTREET." what does CONGRESS say? of course, they say "yes." of course, after family vacations have been paid for, courtesy of the specific bank. So, in turn WALLSTREET  begin investing those bad mortgages, when person after person began defaulting on their mortgages (foreclosure). Those "investment" became worthless to trade with or invest.
    So, banks stop taking/giving/lending. You get a economic freeze, where we are at the current moment.

    Now comes the "bailout." Congress will say "we need 700 billion dollars" which is really an ESTIMATE. When its all said and done this will cost us (the taxpayers) well over 1 trillion dollars. I am saying in my own opinion,  i think this so called "bailout" will cost 1.7 trillion dollars (of course, my estimate as well).

    So, I read the comments on here and many of you don't like what's going on. I am guessing you are asking yourself what can I do. For one we need to get rid of the lobbyist (yes, they ARE  a problem). So, first you educate yourself on how to get a rid of them. I offer some reading material.

    The Fair Tax Book: Saying Goodbye to the Income Tax and the IRS By Neal Boortz. http://www.amazon.com/Fair-Tax-Book-Saying-Goodbye/dp/0060875496/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1222910799&sr=8-2

    Trust me. I was skeptic until i read that book. It opens alot of the problems government namely the IRS gets us into. By simply, keep using our money at their own leisure.

    Alright, folks they say knowledge is power. So, get some power on this issue.
    October 1, 2008 9:30 PM
     

    MOB4L said:

    @aaxnapalm1

    Yeah man thanks, I like the way you broke it down.

    @AHH

    Thanks for posting these articles, they've been very informative! It's one thing to learn about economics, its another thing to see it in work! Learning is fun!

    PEACE
    October 1, 2008 9:38 PM
     

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    October 1, 2008 11:26 PM
     

    MOB4L said:

    @makavalias

    Thanks for those links. I've been reading up on things like this for quite some time. It's definitely not some conspiracy. This stuff is happening as we speak or has happened already.
    October 2, 2008 12:29 AM
     

    Ripryde said:

    Yo...cuzzin'z Math killed me...hahaha...had me spittin up my brew.

    85,000,000,000 (85 BILLION) / 200,000,000 (200 MILLION) = 425.

    That'll get every U.S. Citizen over the age of 18 about 1.5 ounces of them Sticky Icky Icky Fruits...

    Burn em!
    October 2, 2008 7:34 AM
     

    Frizzodetroit said:

    It's suspicious to me that Bush supports the bailout. Personaly I adopt the republican pov when it comes to business and government intervention and leaving them seperate is the best option. You go into business, you fail, your problem. We had years of false prosperity coming from credit being thrown around willy nilly and now we're gonna have to tough it out and endure some hard times. Smile now cry later.
    October 2, 2008 7:38 AM
     

    JohnnyACE562 said:

    $700 billion...and guess who they want to pay all that?

    Them crackers got us all into this mess and now expect us to bail them out with our tax money

    We shouldn't pay them SH!T...let them handle that situation themselves; we all know they got the money to do it with all those tax cuts Bush has been giving them

    So pay up Uncle Sam...the Dope Man don't take shortages

    {{-_-}}
    October 2, 2008 8:11 AM
     

    Savy_Da_Boss said:

    For them to even muster up enough strength in attempt to devise a plan that would have the people BELOW them financially, bail them out so they can still live lavishly, while we go back to the same struggle is SOOOOO fucking amazing to me for some reason! I cant believe they would even attempt that.


    AMAZING!!!
    October 2, 2008 8:40 AM
     

    Imlegend said:

    @Frizzodetroit

    What's even more funny is Bush supports the bailout plan and more democrats voted on both versions of the bill than the republicians. Which means to me that this is all BS. The first plan that failed made it look like they were standing up for the people but in all reality, they did it to save face. Basically they can say I tried oh well. Imagine all the calls and emails from the public and the pressure, now they can stand together and say they had no choice but to vote for the bill. You are right laugh now cry later. Tell me why everyone's sounds the same in the campaign now, and why no one can tell you a straight answer on the economy and how to fix it.

    @aaxnapalm1
    Your right also. Imagine if no one would work because we all had money and thought we were to good to work, who would provide services? It would kill the economy. Good luck on the school.
    October 2, 2008 8:57 AM
     

    Hustlinupnorth said:

    The bailout is pretty much passed now. Welcome to your police state! Hand over your rights at the door.
    October 2, 2008 9:34 AM
     

    Imlegend said:

    @Cess

    The Bush family has made billions over the years.
    I believe in 2004 when the G8 held their yearly summer meeting it was off the coast of GA at or around the same place they created the Federal Reserve in 1913. We hold the next meeting in again 2012. Most likely the bailout will pass. I think we will monopolize the banks for the most part. Our problem is the same people we look to for leadership are owned by big business, so how can anyone expect politicians to do anything but be loyal to the same people paying them millions.  The game runs really deep and seriously doubt they they get rid of the Fed. You look at everyone's markets around the world they are unstable. We are moving closer to a global economy and a smaller world.

    @Savy_Da_Boss

    We have always bailed big business out. Look at it like a pyramid, If you flipped it upside down it would be unstable. It's a sad thing, but they figure it's easier to get $1,000 from 300,000,000 people rather than getting $300,000,000 from a 1,000 people. The wealthy will always stay wealthy because the system in place make sure of it. Really sad



    October 2, 2008 9:43 AM
     

    NewWest-310 said:

    @ Imlegend

    Imlegend said:
        "Look at it like a pyramid, If you flipped it upside down it would be unstable. It's a sad thing, but they figure it's easier to get $1,000 from 300,000,000 people rather than getting $300,000,000 from a 1,000 people. The wealthy will always stay wealthy because the system in place make sure of it. Really sad."

    That is a great analogy my man. Of course the 300,000,000 people would have a problem with doing it, but since those 1,000 have the power, we literally cannot do shit about it.
    October 2, 2008 12:44 PM
     

    Imlegend said:

    @NewWest-310

    Thanks
    Peep game No one is talking about paying billions for the natural disasters like the hurricanes that tore the US up last month. The banks got all these foreclosed homes no one is making payments on. After you foreclose on a home your credit is messed up for at least 7 yrs, and with at least a 1,000,000 people in foreclosure at an average home price of $250,000. Sounds like $250,000,000,000 Now add that to the war, disaster relief, failed businesses being balied out, we got a mess. Here's a list of home price's by the years

    Median and Average Sales Prices of New Homes Sold in United States
    Dec 2003 $196,000 $253,900
    Jan 2004 $209,500 $262,100
    Feb 2004 $219,600 $264,100
    Mar 2004 $209,600 $261,000
    Apr 2004 $222,300 $269,300
    May 2004 $211,700 $260,400
    Jun 2004 $215,700 $263,200
    Jul 2004 $212,400 $279,200
    Aug 2004 $218,100 $272,200
    Sep 2004 $211,600 $269,200
    Oct 2004 $229,200 $289,600
    Nov 2004 $224,500 $283,200
    Dec 2004 $229,600 $284,300
    Jan 2005 $223,100 $283,000
    Feb 2005 $237,300 $289,100
    Mar 2005 $229,300 $289,600
    Apr 2005 $236,300 $289,100
    May 2005 $228,300 $287,400
    Jun 2005 $226,100 $279,600
    Jul 2005 $229,200 $289,300
    Aug 2005 $240,100 $295,000
    Sep 2005 $240,400 $299,600
    Oct 2005 $243,900 $293,600
    Nov 2005 $237,900 $294,400
    Dec 2005 $238,600 $290,200
    Jan 2006 $244,900 $301,000
    Feb 2006 $250,800 $307,900
    Mar 2006 $238,800 $298,800
    Apr 2006 $257,000 $310,300
    May 2006 $238,200 $293,900
    Jun 2006 $243,200 $305,000
    Jul 2006 $238,100 $311,300
    Aug 2006 $243,900 $317,300
    Sep 2006 $226,700 $296,200
    Oct 2006 $250,400 $306,800
    Nov 2006 $240,100 $291,800
    Dec 2006 $244,700 $301,900
    Jan 2007 $254,400 $314,600
    Feb 2007 $250,800 $321,500
    Mar 2007 $262,600 $329,400
    Apr 2007 $242,500 $311,700
    May 2007 $245,000 $309,700
    Jun 2007 $235,500 $306,500
    Jul 2007 $246,200 $307,100
    Aug 2007 $236,500 $301,300
    Sep 2007 $240,300 $292,200
    Oct 2007 $234,300 $310,100
    Nov 2007 $249,100 $316,800
    Dec 2007 $227,700 $284,400
    Jan 2008 $232,400 $284,600
    Feb 2008 $245,300 $301,200
    Page 11 of 12
    Period Median Average
    Median and Average Sales Prices of New Homes Sold in United States
    Mar 2008 $229,300 $287,600
    Apr 2008 $246,400 $314,300
    May 2008 $229,300 $298,200
    Jun 2008 $231,700 $296,800
    Jul 2008 $234,900 $299,100
    Aug 2008 $221,900 $263,900

    Now think a lot of people took out home equity loans on top of their mortgages. If your home loan was $250,000 at a 6% adjustable rate and you took out $50,000 off the equity of the house, and you lose $75,000 in value off the house, what can you do? A bunch of people are in that spot. That is sad because of lack of education and greedy banks. I fully expect them to introduce new money within a few years.

    The real question we should all be asking is after they do this bailout, how long will it be until our financial system switches over to the Amero?
    October 2, 2008 2:23 PM
     

    JohnnyACE562 said:

    Dope Man's coming...

    {{-_-}}
    October 3, 2008 4:35 AM
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