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FISCAL FALLOUT: How Did We Get Here?

Monday, September 29, 2008 3:00 PM | 71 comments
By Jermaine Spradley

Over the past week, the landscape of American Finance has been changed forever.  We’ve all been reading about the impending recession and the failures of major financial institutions, but many of us here in the Hip-Hop nation still do not have a full understanding of how we got to this point. 

 

With our Government finally reaching an agreement on a plan to use more than 700 Billion of our tax dollars to get Wall Street out of this mess, it’s important that the Hip-Hop Nation be ahead of the curve in understanding exactly what they’re doing with our money. Before we talk about getting out the current crisis we should be on the same page in understanding how we got here.  Let’s go behind the numbers and discuss the financial principles that set the stage for all of this.

 

For decades, as Americans, we’ve been told that the key to building wealth and financial security is home ownership.  Historically, purchasing a home provides better returns, over the long haul, than any other investment one can make – better than a 401k, better than any savings, better than any stock.  Additionally, there’s the added security that in times of need, you can borrow against appreciation of the home’s value.  After years of prosperity during the Clinton administration – from the late 1990’s through the early part of this decade, more Americans began getting their piece of the American Dream by purchasing homes.  Cities like Atlanta, North Carolina and New York saw their property values double and sometimes triple in less than a decade.  Banks and Mortgage companies all profited from lending money.  Home values steadily increased and it was seemingly a win for everyone involved.

 

When you purchase a home, normally, you take out a long term loan with a bank or mortgage lender.  That loan creates a steady source of income – through your monthly payments - for the lender.  With so many houses being bought, the lenders began selling those loans - for cash to give out more loans - to Investment Banks. 

 

For example, you get a 30 year Home Loan from HSBC.  Bear Sterns, an Investment Bank, might go to HSBC, Washington Mutual, and Bank of America and purchase your loan, and loans just like it, at a discount.  HSBC and the other banks get the cash, which they can use to give out more loans or invest in other markets. 

 

Bear Sterns would then take all the loans they purchased and package them into what’s called a Collateralized Debt Obligation – or a CDO.  What they are essentially doing is creating a single asset out of  many loans just like yours.  This is Securitization.   Bear Sterns can then sell all of those loans, as one item, to another investment bank or Hedge Fund.  Again, the seller gets the cash to do other stuff with, and the buyer gets your monthly payment – for 30 years.

 

The problem with securitization is that it eliminates responsibility.  If I’m HSBC, and you come to me for a loan – and I know I’m going to sell your loan to an investment bank – I’m not going to take all the necessary steps to insure that you will be able to pay your loan.  Good Credit, Bad Credit, No Credit? – No problem. None of that matters because HSBC is not going to be on the hook if you default on your loan.

 

And that’s exactly what happened.  For the first time in years, home prices stopped rising and in some parts of the country, they actually began to fall.  At the same time, people began to default on the loans they’d taken out.  Some of these were no money down loans with adjustable interest rates that rose after the first couple of years (known as ARMS). Some of the loans were given with only stated, not verified sources of income.  As these loans began to default, the value of the CDO’s discussed above began to decrease dramatically. 

 

Remember the thousands of loans just like yours that Bear Sterns bought and packaged - imagine if 10% of the people who are paying those loans ended up going into foreclosure.  That CDO loses millions of dollars in value.  Investment Banks and Hedge funds were buying, literally billions of dollars of these types of investments, and often, they were borrowing money to do so.  

 

When the number of people defaulting started to increase, and homeowners could no longer borrow against their equity, or sell their homes for a profit, those investments lost value and the billions of dollars in subsequent losses led to the disaster we’re in now.


Comments

 

getmoney2 said:

HOW DID WE GET HERE ? LOL I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN BROKE..

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September 29, 2008 3:11 PM
 

Tommy K. said:

I Want Another Rebate Check!
September 29, 2008 3:14 PM
 

bigwigsplitter said:

Great overview of how we got to the current situation. I appluad your effort to educate those who may not understand the complexities of the current crisis we are in.

Just to add a little to the article, the above events led to a freeze in the credit markets because with banks taking larger and larger losses, they stopped lending money to one another and consumers in an effort to hoard their cash in case of future crises. Without access to capital, banks and corporations and have no where to look for loans that help facilitate business activity.
September 29, 2008 3:17 PM
 

hotrock11 said:

We got here because of sub-prime loans.

Instead of insisting on a fixed loan with an average montly interest rate, consumers fell for the LOW rate.

With poor financial planning, instead of paying extra on those monthly payments, consumers spent that money elsewhere like towards bills they had, or things they needed (or just wanted)

When that adjusted rate finally kicked in (due to terms or because of late payments) consumers were in shell-shock. They weren't told about it! They didn't prepare! The 800 a month payment turned into 1300. The 3% rate jumped to 7%.

And without throwing blame/reflecting blame....guess which race was mainly targeted for sub-prime loans! Yep! Blacks were the easiest to get, and the first to succumb. It's saddening because I have family members affected by this crunch.
September 29, 2008 3:18 PM
 

NOSouljah said:

Peace,

whoever you are I must say you explained this issue EXTREMELY WELL. You made it real simple. Good job!
September 29, 2008 3:23 PM
 

NewWest-310 said:



I hope you keep putting articles like this up on AHH cuz the hip hop community needs to understand what exactly is going on w/ their money - and for better or worse if its not on a site like this they might not ever know. Good lookin Jermaine Spradley!!

@Tommy K
I agree. But when they first gave those checks out it was because they knew that we'd be paying for it in the end. That shit wasnt free. We got $600 but now will end up paying about $1800 a piece for it. Shit is fucked up.


IF YOU HAVE A JOB KEEP IT!!! EVEN IF YOU HATE THAT SHIT!!! YOU MIGHT NOT GET ANOTHER ONE.

September 29, 2008 3:26 PM
 

StreetzRUS said:

you guys have given the common man reason for the crisis.
September 29, 2008 3:30 PM
 

StreetzRUS said:

you guys have given the common man reason for the crisis. Don't be fooled the American People and defaulting on the loans had nothing to do with this It was set up from the Beginning ...
September 29, 2008 3:31 PM
 

NightFall914 said:

I'm not going to over complicate this issue because in spite of many issues it comes down to one thing.The few people with all the power and finances do not want to give that up.

People don't act until crisis hits and even then they try to do just enough to recover while never loosen their grip on their money.
September 29, 2008 3:44 PM
 

ra-mes7 said:

Good breakdown....just one minor change, Mr. Spradley--when since when is North Carolina a city? lol

"Cities like Atlanta, North Carolina and New York saw their property values double and sometimes triple in less than a decade."

But you get a pass for trying to teach the masses.  Thanks for the effort....and since when do write for AHH? What don't you do? (S.91#4)
September 29, 2008 3:53 PM
 

HJD said:

you guys have given the common man reason for the crisis. Don't be fooled the American People and defaulting on the loans had nothing to do with this It was set up from the Beginning ...

Bingo.....couldn't have said it better oh yeah I also blame REPUBLICANS
September 29, 2008 4:00 PM
 

HELLRAISER said:

im going to throw a curve ball in this thread. this is my personal opinion on everything thats going on. i feel this started with 9/11 "yes i said it" 9/11 because we took the speech bush gave us about going to war and ran with it. at a time when america were angry and sad at the same time. the government went to war not realizing how much it would cost us "or maybe they did know how much it would cost the tax payers". everyone thought it would be quick and easy. that we would go in for about a month and get out.

some years went by and the government were forced to pay for this endless war. they had to get supplies after supplies to our troops so that they can "protect the oil" in iraq. trust me when i say this "if there wernt any oil in iraq we would not be there to this day". the cost of us being there is over a few billion a week so at the end of the day that stuff adds up. years later you do the math on the cost of this war on oil.

so if the government is taking money from the people thru taxes to pay for this war then the amount of countries the u.s. still owe like china. i think its starting to take its toll on how much money the u.s. has left in its greedy pockets. now you have all these banks not able to loan out any more money because the government took it all to fund this war that no one wants anymore. you see the government taking over these banks and businesses. that gives the government more control over the banks, homes, lands, and so on. now with them owning more of this shit who are they going to sell it to just to have money or pay off their debt?

side note "do you know theres a law that states the government can take over any type of land they want to build business or do what they want with it"? that means they can take any number of homes against the home owners will just to build shit where they home sits? hmmmmmmmmm i guess that is what happened in katrina..........

hmmmmm china already owns alot of shit that we buy so were steady feeding their economy. china owns alot of companies inside the u.s. and some land. china spends billions on the oylmpics to show the world that they can be a great nation at any means. china sends people into space and present the world a space walk. so i asked myself with all this going on are the government going to sale these homes to china as part of the money they owe them since they are trying to take over the banks?

either way it goes were fucked, the government is going to get more ruthless and the u.s. will owe china money forever..............................

September 29, 2008 4:04 PM
 

DR.BX said:

BLM IT ALL ON THE DEMS. LOL.  
September 29, 2008 4:05 PM
 

Bizar Mindz Inc said:

im glad to see another article on this... shit looks real (cuz it is), when its put on your favorite site....

@ tommy k & new west-310....
i always look out for yalls comments...
you put it out there...
September 29, 2008 4:07 PM
 

MissDallasTx214 said:

StreetzRUS said:
you guys have given the common man reason for the crisis. Don't be fooled the American People and defaulting on the loans had nothing to do with this It was set up from the Beginning ...
September 29, 2008 3:31 PM
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Yes I don't trust our government and I think this was all planned....the bailout failed because all the people they were trying to help out are the same ones who made money off of this. What about Atlanta and Memphis running out of gas?!? That's bullshit, how can a city that large run out of gas without surrounding locations being effected at all?!? It seems like if gas was that low then some other cities would suffer as well.....
The government is nothing but organized crime!
Thanks so much Ahh for shedding some light on this issue!
September 29, 2008 4:13 PM
 

Bizar Mindz Inc said:

how can these places buy these loans, to make the buck then and there (which is understood)... and the others not worrie about getting fucked in the ass, in the end... do they think people pay shit on time...
September 29, 2008 4:16 PM
 

MRGODBYROAD said:

COMMING SOON THE AMERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 29, 2008 4:17 PM
 

Neven said:

@ Hellraiser  the truth will come out

the funny think is It goes back to the 80's when US and Russia where toe to toe in who was the super heavy weight of the world, the only difference now is Russia is out and China is in their place and like you said the states don't have money to pay them off so they will flip their peoples property to pay off the debt they owe,  so in the end China becomes the super Heavy weight.  


good read  and still glad I'm Canadian
September 29, 2008 4:27 PM
 

Neven said:

@  MRGODBYROAD

so soo true, and sad
September 29, 2008 4:29 PM
 

HELLRAISER said:

Neven said:
@ Hellraiser  the truth will come out

the funny think is It goes back to the 80's when US and Russia where toe to toe in who was the super heavy weight of the world, the only difference now is Russia is out and China is in their place and like you said the states don't have money to pay them off so they will flip their peoples property to pay off the debt they owe,  so in the end China becomes the super Heavy weight.  


good read  and still glad I'm Canadian
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can me and my family stay with you if mccain win? lol i always tell my girl that if he wins we are moving out of the u.s. lol
September 29, 2008 4:34 PM
 

Is it reallyou said:

@ hotrock11

I just wanna add that blacks were not the only ones targeted. I live in Las Vegas and EVERYWHERE there are forclosed homes. People bought houses that was out of their income bracket because the got approved on a loan. People who could trully only afford a $150,000 to $200,000 house bought a $350,000 to $400,000 house just because they got approved. Whites, Blacks, Latinos, Asians, everybody got hit. What happened is that Realtors make friends with Loan officers who will approve any one with STATED income. And Loan officers will send that person to the Realtor friends after approving someone for up to, lets say $400,000, although that person could only afford the Loan for 3 years until the principle and interest payments kick in. They that realtor will show $400,000 houses first, and after seeing that house, well a $150,000 to $200,000 dollar house can not compare. So that person jumps out their, figuring that things will get better and they will be ok when the principle kicks it, then bam, reality hits. The Loan Officer and the realtor gets their commission while the buyer gets fucked..
September 29, 2008 4:36 PM
 

MRGODBYROAD said:

MOST PEOPLE.AND I DO MEAN MOST PEOPLE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHATS REALLY GOING DOWN.......IE.....THE AMERO AND THE FACT...YEA I SAID FACT...... THAT THE US, CANADA AND MEXICO WILL ERASE ALL BORDERS AND BECOME 1 COUNTRY.............IT'S ALREADY HAPPINING!!!!!
September 29, 2008 4:43 PM
 

My Black Nation said:

Nice article wodie!!!




www.myblacknation.com
September 29, 2008 4:43 PM
 

HELLRAISER said:

@Is it reallyou - i feel you on that because here in san diego if you drive around long enough you will see more homes with signs on the front yards than liquor stores in the low income areas.
September 29, 2008 4:45 PM
 

HELLRAISER said:

@MRGODBYROAD - no disrespect to mexicans on AHH but san diego already has enough mexicans smh.
September 29, 2008 4:46 PM
 

HJD said:

  Is it reallyou said:
@ hotrock11

I just wanna add that blacks were not the only ones targeted. I live in Las Vegas and EVERYWHERE there are forclosed homes. People bought houses that was out of their income bracket because the got approved on a loan. People who could trully only afford a $150,000 to $200,000 house bought a $350,000 to $400,000 house just because they got approved. Whites, Blacks, Latinos, Asians, everybody got hit. What happened is that Realtors make friends with Loan officers who will approve any one with STATED income. And Loan officers will send that person to the Realtor friends after approving someone for up to, lets say $400,000, although that person could only afford the Loan for 3 years until the principle and interest payments kick in. They that realtor will show $400,000 houses first, and after seeing that house, well a $150,000 to $200,000 dollar house can not compare. So that person jumps out their, figuring that things will get better and they will be ok when the principle kicks it, then bam, reality hits. The Loan Officer and the realtor gets their commission while the buyer gets fucked..

Good read and the truth.In 50 years time there will be no middle class it will only be lower class and rich people.
September 29, 2008 4:48 PM
 

NewWest-310 said:

@Is it reallyou

You know whats fucked up? I knew this dude i went to highschool with that was making a shit load of money at like 22, 23 years old. Now that this is happenening, i remember this muthaphukka was a Loan Officer and he was saying how easy it was to make money off of commission. He was telling everybody he knew that they should just become loan officers cuz you make so much money. If I had only known......
September 29, 2008 5:01 PM
 

NewWest-310 said:

For you history buffs. Whats going to happen to America in the furture is it will become like the French were before the French Revolution. A few astronomically rich people will run the country (in this case it will be Canada, Mexico & the US) and a vast majority of poor people will suffer until they cant take any more - and then they'll revolt.

History will repeat itself over & over & over......

Unfortunatley we happen to live in a time of crisis. Hopefully our great-grandchildren wont have to.
September 29, 2008 5:06 PM
 

KingMe2 said:

If you really want to know some real talk on how we got into this mess watch the following documentaries....it will scare you....

Freedom to Facism
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

Zeitgeist
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197
September 29, 2008 5:17 PM
 

Deenice718 said:

the american goverment and all of these companies are fucking thefts and should go to prison and its about time they get rid of the IRS cause they only loook for the middleclass and poor when they want money while those rich whites boys and token niggas rob us blind on Wall st and main st.

Top 5 FUGITIVES

1.GEORGE W BUSH

2. DICK CHENEY

3. The entire Treasure Dept

4. Bill Clinton( He had alot to do with this then people imagine)

5. John Mccain (he backed everything assholes no 1 &2 did )


i remember it was bad like this in 1991 when the other bush was in office and if Barack the savior gets in what can he really do theres too much for him to do in 4 yrs.

Just rmember yall keep your job and SAVE SAVE SAVE under the mattress savings bank is back in full effect skip the big car payments and tricking for a while and remember 90% of rappers are broke too

P.S Just remember the Days will get Darker be we will overcome

Peace yall

NYC BRAVEST  
September 29, 2008 5:30 PM
 

HELLRAISER said:

man im tired of seeing real stories like this get ignored while the lame rap rumors get like 400 post. i guess so many people settle for what they have and dont give a fuck about whats going down.
September 29, 2008 5:36 PM
 

Nosell said:

Man all i got to say is i agree and my  brothers and sisters need to read a book reading really helps.We was lied to from the beginning every since they started the federal reserve we were meant to be in debt believe it. the rockerfellers,rothschilds,and morgans run this they did it in 1929 they doing now.And i got another one if you think this country ran by your president,or your goverment,or congress you a damn fool and you need to killurself right now this here america ran by them Jews.I know i went far left on somebody but man yall better open yall eyes i mean this site cool and everything but the NEW WORLD ORDER IS HERE  but take the time go to youtube or even google illuminati,jp morgan,jd rockerfeller,boule black celebrity yo favorite rapper aint yo favorite rapper i can promise you that if dude is selling like crazy in a short time duoing movies,label,clothes,beating cases you wouldnt beat that dude aint your favorite rapper and they killed pimp c he started to expose them dudes with the homo stuff yep and they killed pac killuminati he just put the k on it and they killed biggie to make it look like a east west thing they own the media and potrayed that bull@#%^ that way cause we believe everything we see on tv they where both killed on the vegas strip c
September 29, 2008 6:32 PM
 

Nosell said:

Man all i got to say is i agree and my  brothers and sisters need to read a book reading really helps.We was lied to from the beginning every since they started the federal reserve we were meant to be in debt believe it. the rockerfellers,rothschilds,and morgans run this they did it in 1929 they doing now.And i got another one if you think this country ran by your president,or your goverment,or congress you a damn fool and you need to killurself right now this here america ran by them Jews.I know i went far left on somebody but man yall better open yall eyes i mean this site cool and everything but the NEW WORLD ORDER IS HERE  but take the time go to youtube or even google illuminati,jp morgan,jd rockerfeller,boule black celebrity yo favorite rapper aint yo favorite rapper i can promise you that if dude is selling like crazy in a short time duoing movies,label,clothes,beating cases you wouldnt beat that dude aint your favorite rapper and they killed pimp c he started to expose them dudes with the homo stuff yep and they killed pac killuminati he just put the k on it and they killed biggie to make it look like a east west thing they own the media and potrayed that bull@#%^ that way cause we believe everything we see on tv they where both killed on the vegas strip c
September 29, 2008 6:32 PM
 

Nosell said:

Man all i got to say is i agree and my  brothers and sisters need to read a book reading really helps.We was lied to from the beginning every since they started the federal reserve we were meant to be in debt believe it. the rockerfellers,rothschilds,and morgans run this they did it in 1929 they doing now.And i got another one if you think this country ran by your president,or your goverment,or congress you a damn fool and you need to killurself right now this here america ran by them Jews.I know i went far left on somebody but man yall better open yall eyes i mean this site cool and everything but the NEW WORLD ORDER IS HERE  but take the time go to youtube or even google illuminati,jp morgan,jd rockerfeller,boule black celebrity yo favorite rapper aint yo favorite rapper i can promise you that if dude is selling like crazy in a short time duoing movies,label,clothes,beating cases you wouldnt beat that dude aint your favorite rapper and they killed pimp c he started to expose them dudes with the homo stuff yep and they killed pac killuminati he just put the k on it and they killed biggie to make it look like a east west thing they own the media and potrayed that bull@#%^ that way cause we believe everything we see on tv they where both killed on the vegas strip c
September 29, 2008 6:32 PM
 

Nosell said:

Man all i got to say is i agree and my  brothers and sisters need to read a book reading really helps.We was lied to from the beginning every since they started the federal reserve we were meant to be in debt believe it. the rockerfellers,rothschilds,and morgans run this they did it in 1929 they doing now.And i got another one if you think this country ran by your president,or your goverment,or congress you a damn fool and you need to killurself right now this here america ran by them Jews.I know i went far left on somebody but man yall better open yall eyes i mean this site cool and everything but the NEW WORLD ORDER IS HERE  but take the time go to youtube or even google illuminati,jp morgan,jd rockerfeller,nafta,boule black celebrity yo favorite rapper aint yo favorite rapper i can promise you that if dude is selling like crazy in a short time doing tv,movies,labels,clothes,beating cases you wouldnt beat that dude aint your favorite rapper and they killed pimp c he started to expose them dudes for what they really is cause if u think THE PIMP died from syrup and his medication YOU A DAMN FOOL cuz why he didnt die the day before he left texas or the day he was released TELL ME cause thats just like saying i smoke purp everyday i get it from cali but when i go out there i smoke the same purp i die!! what he took them at the wrong time of day WAKE UP PEOPLE and i know its going to be children who respond to this like children thats why Where Damn Near THE DUMBIEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE ITS TOO LATE CAUSE THIS IS HELL ON EARTH AND IF YOU READ YOUR BIBLE YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW ZEIGIESTHEMOVIE.COM
September 29, 2008 6:49 PM
 

drewhood said:

george bush is responsible for the crisis
September 29, 2008 8:05 PM
 

DRII said:

This is an eye opener for alot of people. I was definitely educated by this editorial.
September 29, 2008 8:33 PM
 

Neven said:

@ hellraiser

your wife can waitress for me and I'll teach you to cook  LOL LOL


for every American That wants out your solution is ALASKA They don't care up there they just make the money your country spends
September 29, 2008 9:26 PM
 

AverageJoeMusic said:

FISCAL FALLOUT: How Did We Get Here?  

answer: George W spent all our money on blow
September 29, 2008 10:02 PM
 

Barack yOmama said:

And the money ($700 billi, $250 billi upfront) will come from the average tax payer. so we come up short. again. y not take the 700 billi n make a hell ova stimulus package for US families. dumb MF'rs
September 29, 2008 10:29 PM
 

Npaz said:

Sorry to say but the U.S. is no longer the world's Superpower. Doesn't look like we will be that again, specially with the EU and China getting so powerful. It's going to be hard as hell to make future purchases with credit at least large ones.
September 29, 2008 10:38 PM
 

bligz said:

if $600 billion was spent on the war......what happened to the other $100 billion?
September 30, 2008 12:20 AM
 

makavalias said:

 
KingMe2 said:
If you really want to know some real talk on how we got into this mess watch the following documentaries....it will scare you....

Freedom to Facism
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

Zeitgeist
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197
September 29, 2008 5:17 PM


co-sign 100%
September 30, 2008 12:20 AM
 

bligz said:

go cop that " generation x " off itunes....been out since '05
September 30, 2008 12:21 AM
 

bligz said:

I dont think people understand the extremity(if thats a word) of the situation....everything is going down @ once.......where's Osama? hmmm.....how come the name " Osama" has never left George Bush's lips in the past 7 years?(strange and unusual........whats strange and unusual, is exactly that.....strange and unusual).......what happened to building 7?( strange and unusual)......Osama runs off to Afghanistan/Pakistan, we give Pakistan $10 billion, then go to Iraq and engage in war under the pretense of "weapons of mass destruction".....which by the way were sold/given to Saddam by George Bush's father(strange and unusual).....Prescott Bush, George Bush's father, funded Hitler and the Nazi's(true story......strange and unusual......)........Next step......FASCISM/SOCIOLISM....in AMERICA.(NOW THATS STRANGE and UNUSUAL!!!). (I'm a keep the  iron off the dresser-better believe things is about to get ugly)-
September 30, 2008 12:35 AM
 

FRANDEEZEL said:

ooooh im so fuckin heated, I wrote this long ass shit and i accidently disconnected my modem cable and my shits gone!!
September 30, 2008 12:49 AM
 

HELLRAISER said:

news flash - the asian market just went down the hole lol
September 30, 2008 12:55 AM
 

BAND_WiDTH said:

s it reallyou said:
@ hotrock11

I just wanna add that blacks were not the only ones targeted. I live in Las Vegas and EVERYWHERE there are forclosed homes. People bought houses that was out of their income bracket because the got approved on a loan. People who could trully only afford a $150,000 to $200,000 house bought a $350,000 to $400,000 house just because they got approved. Whites, Blacks, Latinos, Asians, everybody got hit. What happened is that Realtors make friends with Loan officers who will approve any one with STATED income. And Loan officers will send that person to the Realtor friends after approving someone for up to, lets say $400,000, although that person could only afford the Loan for 3 years until the principle and interest payments kick in. They that realtor will show $400,000 houses first, and after seeing that house, well a $150,000 to $200,000 dollar house can not compare. So that person jumps out their, figuring that things will get better and they will be ok when the principle kicks it, then bam, reality hits. The Loan Officer and the realtor gets their commission while the buyer gets fucked..


*Thats exactly what was happening. It all comes down to an initial WEAK regulation system in place..Now whether this weak regulatory system was created by neglect or purposely would depend if you believe in conspiracy theories or not..lol..

The front lines of the mortgage issues(but not the main issues) are:

*type of loans (Adjustable Rate Mortgage)  

*sales (loan officers/brokers)

*buyers (uninformed & home flippers)

Now those ARM loans were designed to screw you if you don't know what you're doing.. But even if you're a veteran house flipper trying to make a profit by selling B4 rates go up, there's really no way to predict how the market will be @ that time..Which means no guarantee of profit or sale.. The wiser folks stuck with the good old fashion fixed rates. But when it was a such huge seller's market in the mortgage industry 5-6 years ago you can't put all blame on loan officers/brokers for hustlin those loans. Those cats work in a commission-only environment. They're tryin to make that paper..I knew many who were earning like NFL salaries during that boom. But for some in the industry, greed the lead into loan doctoring/fabrication to make to ensure those deals go through..You also can't completely blame an uninformed dude that makes like 30k a year, who initially thought he couldn't afford to buy, to try to take advantage of opportunity to own his first home..And also you can't blame a home flipper for trying to come up.. If you want to point fingers, it needs to be in the direction of the MF's approving those loans.A majority of the mortgage meltdown could've been avoided had there been a STRONG regulation system in place set in the 1st place through underwriting, lenders, government. Who knows maybe this really is all a conspiracy  to eliminate a true "middle class"..


September 30, 2008 3:07 AM
 

JohnnyACE562 said:

The Revolution Is COMING

{{-_-}}
September 30, 2008 6:25 AM
 

Frizzodetroit said:

The stock market crashed in the thirties due partly to credit being used to buy stocks with no financial backing. Now our economy is once again being crushed because of bad credit. I think the solution to avoid this in the future is for lenders to stop selling their loans to investment banks. We can't eliminate the use of credit for home ownership.
September 30, 2008 7:15 AM
 

Sinistah aka Sin Piffcaso said:

survival of the fit or bow out like bitch, pressures on! we are slowly becomming the biggest 3rd world country yet!
September 30, 2008 8:56 AM
 

aaxnapalm1 said:

I had a big comment but it got lost, damnit

First lemme say the illuminati didn't kill 2pac and Biggie. People in the illuminati are too rich and powerful to give a fuck about 2 rappers. It's not like rappers were making Jay-z/50/Diddy money back then. Pac and Big died because of stupid mofos with misinformation. So people thought there was more beef than there actually was. The media ran with it and 2 rappers died too soon. But it wasn't no damn illuminati. People be on pac's dick like he was the black Jesus.

Secondly, as an economist i must say that the "under the mattress" savings is a terrible idea. Sure banks are falling but that doesn't mean you're gonna lose your money. I'd say that 99.8% of people on allhiphop don't have over 100k in the bank so there's no reason to not have your money in the bank. When banks fall it doesn't mean you lose your money, it just means that somebody else (a bigger company) owns your bank. Money under the mattress doesn't grow. Money in the bank does.

I'm glad the bailout plan failed. These greedy companies need to go bankrupt. When they were making all this money off these mortgage backed hedge funds they sure weren't trying to share that wealth with the common man so i don't think the common man should be responsible for bailing them out just because their greed fucked them.
September 30, 2008 9:37 AM
 

Nex Gin said:

What makes this whole situation so screwed up is that there are so many inner-related problems.  Everyone involved has to shoulder some blame.  The banks who approve the loans w/o verifying income and indulge in preditory lending practices are @ fault.  The home buyers who do not educate themselves about how the system works and allow themselves to be put in "living beyond means" scenarios are also @ fault.  The government is @ fault for allowing a legacy of big business, lobbyist, special interest agendas and greed be the true behind the scenes leaders of this country. Society is at fault for creating an environment where these negative practices flourish.   More often than not, people in this country have this mentality where they are willing to sacrifice the lives of 100 just to save themselves or so they can prosper.  People who live by that creed often don't care about or take into consideration how their actions can affect others.  That division within the populous will be the ultimate downfall of this country and its self serving institutions.
September 30, 2008 10:00 AM
 

KtruHeaterz said:

9-11 AND THE CRISIS ON WALLSTREET BY CHRISTOPHER BROLLYN:


The Fleecing of America: $700 Billion for Zionist Criminals

URGENT ACTION ALERT:  AMERICANS SAY "NO"!

I would urge Americans to call their Congressmen and Senators and express their opposition, in no uncertain terms, to the $700 billion bail-out.  With U.S. public opinion 100 to 1 against the bail-out, how could any Member of Congress possibly vote for it?

Why are taxpayers being asked to fund the $85 billion bail-out of Maurice Greenberg's criminal enterprise, A.I.G.?

Are the Zionist Jews and their "special interests" more important and influential than a Congressman's constituents?  If this is the case, and this disastrous bill passes, all Americans should ask themselves:  "What kind of representative democracy do we live in, anyway?"

WHO WINS; WHO LOSES?

"Who wins, who loses under bailout plan?" an Associated Press article from Sunday, September 28, 2008, puts the benefits and costs of the bail-out in clear perspective.  Here are quotes from the AP article:

The proposal to bail out U.S. financial markets to the tune of $700 billion creates a lot of potential short-term winners, as well as some losers.

WINNERS:

Wall Street and the banking industry are perhaps the biggest winners.

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke are potential winners.

LOSERS:

Homeowners faced with foreclosure or those who have lost their homes get little help from the agreement. Nor will it help others -- people whose houses are worth less than what they owe -- get refinancing or take out equity loans.

It would do little to halt the slide in home values that are one of the root causes of the current economic slowdown.

"It doesn't deal with the fundamental problems that gave rise to the problem -- or alleviate the credit crisis," said Peter Morici, an economist and business professor at the University of Maryland

And ordinary taxpayers?

Nothing that potentially adds $700 billion to the national debt -- already surging toward the $10 trillion mark -- can be considered a winner for those who foot the bills.

Tell your Congressman what you think!
This is what they have said:

"[The bail-out] does nothing basically for the stressed mortgage payer.
It does a lot for three or four or five banks... "
Sen. Richard Shelby, (Rep.-Alabama)

"I've never seen people so angry.
Our calls are a hundred to one against this bail-out.
They don't trust the government.
- Sen. Jim DeMint (Rep.-S.C.)



9-11 and the Crisis on Wall Street E-mail
The Fleecing of America: $700 Billion for Zionist Criminals

URGENT ACTION ALERT:  AMERICANS SAY "NO"!

I would urge Americans to call their Congressmen and Senators and express their opposition, in no uncertain terms, to the $700 billion bail-out.  With U.S. public opinion 100 to 1 against the bail-out, how could any Member of Congress possibly vote for it?

Why are taxpayers being asked to fund the $85 billion bail-out of Maurice Greenberg's criminal enterprise, A.I.G.?

Are the Zionist Jews and their "special interests" more important and influential than a Congressman's constituents?  If this is the case, and this disastrous bill passes, all Americans should ask themselves:  "What kind of representative democracy do we live in, anyway?"

WHO WINS; WHO LOSES?

"Who wins, who loses under bailout plan?" an Associated Press article from Sunday, September 28, 2008, puts the benefits and costs of the bail-out in clear perspective.  Here are quotes from the AP article:

The proposal to bail out U.S. financial markets to the tune of $700 billion creates a lot of potential short-term winners, as well as some losers.

WINNERS:

Wall Street and the banking industry are perhaps the biggest winners.

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke are potential winners.

LOSERS:

Homeowners faced with foreclosure or those who have lost their homes get little help from the agreement. Nor will it help others -- people whose houses are worth less than what they owe -- get refinancing or take out equity loans.

It would do little to halt the slide in home values that are one of the root causes of the current economic slowdown.

"It doesn't deal with the fundamental problems that gave rise to the problem -- or alleviate the credit crisis," said Peter Morici, an economist and business professor at the University of Maryland

And ordinary taxpayers?

Nothing that potentially adds $700 billion to the national debt -- already surging toward the $10 trillion mark -- can be considered a winner for those who foot the bills.

Tell your Congressman what you think!
This is what they have said:

"[The bail-out] does nothing basically for the stressed mortgage payer.
It does a lot for three or four or five banks... "
Sen. Richard Shelby, (Rep.-Alabama)

"I've never seen people so angry.
Our calls are a hundred to one against this bail-out.
They don't trust the government.
- Sen. Jim DeMint (Rep.-S.C.)


Ben Shalom Bernanke, the chairman of the Federal Reserve,
is the dedicated Zionist Jew behind the $85 billion taxpayer-funded bail-out of Maurice Greenberg's criminal enterprise, A.I.G. The face in the background is Hank Paulson, the non-Jewish secretary of the U.S. Treasury (from Barrington Hills, Illinois), who is usually blamed for being the person behind the bail-out.

Updated:  Monday
29 September 2008

Adding Insult to Injury:
Hard-pressed American Taxpayers Forced to Bail Out
Zionist Gangsters Behind 9-11


Maurice Greenberg, the Zionist criminal behind A.I.G.,
is deeply involved in the false flag terror attacks of 9-11.
[Photo: www.cloakanddagger.de]

The current financial crisis in the United States involves some of the very same Zionist criminals and entities that I pointed out in my recent chapter, "The Architecture of Terror: Mapping the Israeli Network Behind 9-11."

The collapse of their criminal scams on Wall Street could very well reveal more about the Zionist gangsters behind 9-11, if it were allowed to happen.  Such outrageous criminal scams cannot be kept hidden for long.  The criminals behind this latest financial scam need to be brought down - not propped up.  If anyone should be in Guantanamo facing harsh interrogation for answers about 9-11, it is people like Maurice Greenberg and Michael Chertoff.

The government loan of $85 thousand millions of U.S. taxpayer dollars ($85 billion) to keep afloat Maurice Greenberg's criminal operation, American International Group (A.I.G.), brings into the spotlight one of the key individuals in the Zionist criminal network behind 9-11.

CRIME PAYS: $85 BILLION FOR GREENBERG

Where's the outrage?  If George W. Bush is not directly related to Isadore Bush, the Jewish wine merchant who headed the B'nai B'rith lodge in St. Louis in the late 1800s, he might as well ought to be.  As president, George W. Bush has done more to advance the agenda of the secretive Jewish brotherhood of Freemasons, more commonly known as "The Elders of Zion," than any other political leader in living memory.  The proposed plan to use $700 billion taxpayer dollars to bail out the Zionist gangsters of Wall Street is Bush's coup de grâce, the final thrust of the dagger of a treasonous Zionist president into the bleeding and supine American body politic.


The Zionist plan to bail out A.I.G. and its criminal head, Maurice R. Greenberg, with a government loan of $85 billion dollars should have all American taxpayers up in arms.  This is the money of our childrens' children they are stealing.  The $700 billion bail-out is described by the New York Times as "an ambitious effort to transfer the bad debts of Wall Street into the obligations of American taxpayers."

On Friday, September 26, President Bush scrambled to bring rebellious members of his own party behind a $700 billion dollar taxpayer bail-out of Wall St. banks amid bitter political recriminations from both Democrats and Republicans over collapsed negotiations, the AP reported. Sen. Richard Shelby, an Alabama Republican, said many GOP lawmakers dislike the proposal that has been pushed on the administration's behalf principally by Paulson. "Basically, I believe the Paulson proposal is badly structured," he said. "It does nothing basically for the stressed mortgage payer. It does a lot for three or four or five banks . ... "

Make no mistake about it, this is a massive "transfer" of American wealth to Zionist criminals; a huge "rip-off," in plain English.

PUSHING FEAR TO STIFLE RESISTANCE

Like all dictators, President Bush employs fear and deception to accomplish a criminal agenda.  His prime time speech to the nation on Wednesday, September 24, provides a classic example of the fear-mongering tactics of this un-elected president to quell public resistance to the $700 billion bail-out of criminal enterprises, such as A.I.G.  His speech was very short on facts (none) and long on fear mongering.

Americans should keep in mind that this is the very same man who lied to the entire world about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, and who has recklessly started two illegal wars of aggression after 9-11, which he and Cheney refused to investigate.  

The keystone to the Bush-Bernanke $700 billion bail-out is the $85 billion being made available to Maurice Greenberg's A.I.G.  As I will point out in this article, A.I.G. is a criminal operation and has been engaged in illegal conduct for many years.  American taxpayer money should never be used to support criminal operations like A.I.G.  

Here is the key paragraph from Bush's prime time televised speech, which was clearly meant to put fear in American hearts:

   The government's top economic experts warn that without immediate action by Congress, America could slip into a financial panic, and a distressing scenario would unfold:

   More banks could fail, including some in your community. The stock market would drop even more, which would reduce the value of your retirement account. The value of your home could plummet. Foreclosures would rise dramatically. And if you own a business or a farm, you would find it harder and more expensive to get credit. More businesses would close their doors, and millions of Americans could lose their jobs. Even if you have good credit history, it would be more difficult for you to get the loans you need to buy a car or send your children to college. And ultimately, our country could experience a long and painful recession.

A $700 billion expenditure on distressed mortgage-related assets would be roughly what the country has spent in direct costs on the Iraq war and more than the Pentagon’s total yearly budget appropriation. The bail-out would cost every man, woman and child in the United States more than $2,000 -- before interest.

Fed chairman, Ben S. Bernanke, held a series of conference calls with members of Congress to sell them on the bail-out. Small wonder that hard-working Americans utterly despise Jewish crooks like Maurice Greenberg and Ben Shalom Bernanke.

I don't understand why the public is not protesting and burning tires in the streets of American cities.  It is certainly no secret that A.I.G. is a criminal operation, which is well known to anyone who reads the newspapers.  Doesn't anybody read the papers?

Why are Americans not massively protesting this proposed bail-out?  To my mind, it can only be because the news coverage of the huge bail-out never mentions Greenberg's long history of criminal activity.  The bail-out, now proposed at $700 billion, is portrayed as something that is necessary to save the economy of Main St. -- not a bail-out for a Zionist criminal of the highest magnitude.

"IF WE WERE LEGAL, WE WOULDN'T BE IN BUSINESS"

I will be updating this article on the bail-out of the Zionist crooks behind 9-11, but I want to make it clear that my accusations of Greenberg's criminality are well documented, in the New York Times, for example.  The following NYT article entitled "Excerpts from Complaint Against AIG by New York," dated May 27, 2005, clearly reveals that Greenberg was aware of the criminal nature of AIG's business -- and wanted to keep it that way:

   Following are excerpts from the complaint filed yesterday against American International Group (A.I.G.); its former chief executive, Maurice R. Greenberg (M.R.G.); and its former chief financial officer, Howard I. Smith, by the New York attorney general and the New York superintendent of insurance:

   "Both Greenberg and Smith had a direct personal interest in A.I.G.'s stock price; both held hundreds of thousands of shares of A.I.G. stock.  For example, the value of Greenbergs's holdings increased or decreased approximately $65 billion for every dollar A.I.G. stock moved."

   "For over a decade, A.I.G. engaged in a scheme to mischaracterize premiums paid on the workers' compensation line of insurance...

   "In 1991, A.I.G.'s general counsel, newly arrived from a law firm, undertook a review of the practice...

   "In his interviews, the general counsel learned about the cost that the company would have to incur to 'get legal.'  It would have to hire about 40 new people to do filings properly, charge clients more and pay 'much higher' assessment fees.

   "Indeed, the general counsel's notes reflect that at one stage, an employee went to A.I.G.'s president and was told 'that M.R.G. [Maurice R. Greenberg] did not want him to change things to make it legal - he wants to continue as is.'

   "In another interview, a witness recounted a meeting that he and others had with Greenberg.  According to the notes, 'M.R.G.' asked, 'Are we legal?'  When an employee responded, 'If we were legal, we wouldn't be in business,' then 'M.R.G. began laughing and that was the end of it.'

Maurice Greenberg's son, Jeffrey, headed Marsh & McLennan Companies, the nation's largest insurance broker, which took kickbacks and colluded with AIG to rig bids, artificially jacking up the premiums companies pay for liability insurance, according to a civil fraud complaint filed by New York Attorney General Eliot L. Spitzer in 2004.

The civil fraud complaint named AIG, Hartford Financial Services Group Inc., ACE Ltd. (another Greenberg son's company), and a division of Munich Re as active participants in the scheme. Jeffrey Greenberg, resigned in October 2004, less than two weeks after Marsh & McLennan was accused of cheating customers. Oddly, as a result, Eliot Spitzer said that he would not bring criminal charges against Marsh. Although Maurice Greenberg was also forced to resign as CEO of A.I.G, he maintained a great deal of control of the company through his ownership of stock and managing companies such as Starr International and C.V. Starr.

A.I.G. GUILTY OF CRIMINAL FRAUD  

At least two senior AIG executives pleaded guilty to criminal fraud, acknowledging that they schemed with Marsh and submitted uncompetitive bids to help the broker steer clients to other companies.

While it was under investigation in 2005, A.I.G. disclosed "extensive accounting irregularities."  The company's earnings for the past 5 years were adjusted by some $4 billion.  In 2004, Greenberg was paid at least $20 million from Starr International, his private company in Panama, and A.I.G.

Why is the U.S. government bailing out well known criminals rather than arresting them?  Are we laughing as President Bush and his Zionist advisers and appointees award Greenberg's criminal conduct with an $85 billion bail-out? Is this another major piece of evidence that the U.S. government is, in fact, a crimocracy? Could this bail-out of criminals be stopped if Americans protested loudly enough?

The key person in the Zionist crimocracy behind the bail-out is Ben Shalom Bernanke, the "head of the Fed." [Here Ben does not stand for Benjamin, it is Hebrew for "son," in this case "son of peace."]

EARLY WARNINGS IGNORED

A.I.G. was deemed to be a "shaky insurance company" in a report conducted by Ralph Nader's Public Citizen in 1990. Despite protests and threats from the criminal Greenberg, Public Citizen maintained its "critical assessment" of A.I.G.  Greenberg threatened to sue Public Citizen if the consumer group didn't retract its comments on the company "in the next several days."

"I'm angry," Greenberg said, adding like a street thug, "First learn the facts before you shoot your mouth off."

Joan Claybrook, Public Citizen president, responded to Greenberg's threats in a letter.  Public Citizen "remains fully satisfied with the report's conclusions concerning AIG," Claybrook wrote.

After a re-examination of the facts, Claybrook stood by critical assessment of AIG.  A.I.G. failed four of the six tests that show whether an insurance company could withstand a severe economic slump.  Public Citizen was right, and now American taxpayers are being forced to bail out Greenberg's criminal operation.

Where's the outrage?  If such a huge bail-out were to be demanded from the citizens of any other country, you can be sure that the key players would be scrutinized before one cent of public funds were made available.  In America, however, the controlled media censors all information about who is really responsible for this immense transfer of wealth - from the people to the criminals.

THE DEVOTED ZIONIST BEHIND THE A.I.G. BAIL-OUT

It should come as no surprise that the key person behind this unprecedented government bail-out of A.I.G., a huge Zionist criminal operation, is himself a devoted Zionist.  Ben Shalom Bernanke, the chairman of the Federal Reserve System, is another Hebrew-speaking scion of the Jewish Theological Seminary of New York City, like Michael Chertoff and Alvin K. Hellerstein.

How can it be that the sons of a very small group of uneducated Jews from Eastern Europe, who immigrated to the Bronx in the 1900s, now control a nation of 250 million non-Jews?  If you were to ask a Zionist Jew from the Jewish Theological Seminary why they seek to control America, they would probably say: "Because we can."

Growing up, Bernanke attended the extremist Zionist summer camp (Ramah) of the Jewish Theological Seminary where he was immersed for months in the Zionist ideology of the JTS - in Hebrew.  During college in the early 1970s, Bernanke began working directly with the Jewish political crime bosses in South Carolina.

BERNANKE'S YEARS WITH THE CRIME BOSS OF DILLON

Ben Shalom (Hebrew for "Son of Peace") Bernanke went to Harvard University and graduated with a B.A. in economics in 1975. Throughout college, however, Bernanke had a very odd summer job for an Ivy League student of economics.  Every summer he returned to Dillon, South Carolina, to work for Alan Heller Schafer, the well-known Jewish criminal and political boss who ran a sprawling roadside gambling and drinking establishment called South of the Border.  The adjacent counties in North Carolina had been "dry counties" when Schafer originally started his drinking and gambling establishment.  Such was his clout that he was reportedly able to have the route of Interstate 95 altered so it would directly pass his saloon operation.

Alan Schafer was, after all, the long-standing chairman of the Democratic Party in Dillon County, where, since 1966, he ran the "state's smoothest-running political machine" by buying votes.  Schafer's political machine maintained power, said Craig C. Donsanto, director of the Justice Department's Election Crimes Branch, through a "carefully controlled and sophisticated system of rigging elections," the New York Times reported in 1982.  This is the crime boss that Bernanke worked for, every summer, while he studied at Harvard.

"Alan didn't want any more stump meetings because they threatened his candidates," said A.W. (Red) Bethea, 66, who was defeated four times in Statehouse races by Schafer-backed candidates.  "If you were running against the Schafer machine without his wanting you to, you were just wasting your time."

Mr. Donsanto said more than 1,000 Dillon County voters were paid $5 to $10 to sign their names to absentee ballots in 1980.  In the 1980 primary, 1,500 of the 7,000 votes cast in Dillon County were absentee ballots.  Two days after the primary, agents from the U.S. Justice Dept. "swooped down on Dillon County and seized the ballot boxes, touching off the largest voting fraud investigation ever conducted in the Southeast," the Times reported.

After an 18-month investigation, 30 residents of Dillon County were indicted on charges of violating federal election laws, most of them for buying votes.  As the head of the election corruption and vote-buying machine, Schafer was sentenced to three and a half years in federal prison.  The joint state and federal investigation, which finally busted Schafer's political machine, "broke up the county's leadership elite, men who had controlled and manipulated Dillon's political process since the mid-1960s," the Times reported.

This was the well-known Jewish criminal that Ben Shalom Bernanke, a student of economics at Harvard, worked for every summer.  It is simply impossible that Bernanke was unaware of Schafer's wide-scale criminal activities, which were legendary in the state.  (Now, Bernanke is behind the $85 billion taxpayer-funded bail-out of another Zionist criminal, Maurice R. Greenberg, who ran A.I.G. for decades and who owned some $15 billion worth of A.I.G. stock, before it fell some 94 percent in value.)

The "pain and embarrassment" caused by Schafer's decades of criminal activity aimed at controlling elections deeply affected the people of Dillon County.

After college, Bernanke earned a doctorate at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, where his adviser was Stanley "Stan" Fischer.  Fischer, born in Rhodesia, also happens to be the current Governor of the Bank of Israel.  If you look at Bernanke's biography you will find that he has spent his entire life engaged only in Zionist activities.  I have not found any period of Bernanke's life when he was involved in anything other than Zionism.


9-11 and the Crisis on Wall Street E-mail
The Fleecing of America: $700 Billion for Zionist Criminals

URGENT ACTION ALERT:  AMERICANS SAY "NO"!

I would urge Americans to call their Congressmen and Senators and express their opposition, in no uncertain terms, to the $700 billion bail-out.  With U.S. public opinion 100 to 1 against the bail-out, how could any Member of Congress possibly vote for it?

Why are taxpayers being asked to fund the $85 billion bail-out of Maurice Greenberg's criminal enterprise, A.I.G.?

Are the Zionist Jews and their "special interests" more important and influential than a Congressman's constituents?  If this is the case, and this disastrous bill passes, all Americans should ask themselves:  "What kind of representative democracy do we live in, anyway?"

WHO WINS; WHO LOSES?

"Who wins, who loses under bailout plan?" an Associated Press article from Sunday, September 28, 2008, puts the benefits and costs of the bail-out in clear perspective.  Here are quotes from the AP article:

The proposal to bail out U.S. financial markets to the tune of $700 billion creates a lot of potential short-term winners, as well as some losers.

WINNERS:

Wall Street and the banking industry are perhaps the biggest winners.

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke are potential winners.

LOSERS:

Homeowners faced with foreclosure or those who have lost their homes get little help from the agreement. Nor will it help others -- people whose houses are worth less than what they owe -- get refinancing or take out equity loans.

It would do little to halt the slide in home values that are one of the root causes of the current economic slowdown.

"It doesn't deal with the fundamental problems that gave rise to the problem -- or alleviate the credit crisis," said Peter Morici, an economist and business professor at the University of Maryland

And ordinary taxpayers?

Nothing that potentially adds $700 billion to the national debt -- already surging toward the $10 trillion mark -- can be considered a winner for those who foot the bills.

Tell your Congressman what you think!
This is what they have said:

"[The bail-out] does nothing basically for the stressed mortgage payer.
It does a lot for three or four or five banks... "
Sen. Richard Shelby, (Rep.-Alabama)

"I've never seen people so angry.
Our calls are a hundred to one against this bail-out.
They don't trust the government.
- Sen. Jim DeMint (Rep.-S.C.)


Ben Shalom Bernanke, the chairman of the Federal Reserve,
is the dedicated Zionist Jew behind the $85 billion taxpayer-funded bail-out of Maurice Greenberg's criminal enterprise, A.I.G. The face in the background is Hank Paulson, the non-Jewish secretary of the U.S. Treasury (from Barrington Hills, Illinois), who is usually blamed for being the person behind the bail-out.

Updated:  Monday
29 September 2008

Adding Insult to Injury:
Hard-pressed American Taxpayers Forced to Bail Out
Zionist Gangsters Behind 9-11


Maurice Greenberg, the Zionist criminal behind A.I.G.,
is deeply involved in the false flag terror attacks of 9-11.
[Photo: www.cloakanddagger.de]

The current financial crisis in the United States involves some of the very same Zionist criminals and entities that I pointed out in my recent chapter, "The Architecture of Terror: Mapping the Israeli Network Behind 9-11."

The collapse of their criminal scams on Wall Street could very well reveal more about the Zionist gangsters behind 9-11, if it were allowed to happen.  Such outrageous criminal scams cannot be kept hidden for long.  The criminals behind this latest financial scam need to be brought down - not propped up.  If anyone should be in Guantanamo facing harsh interrogation for answers about 9-11, it is people like Maurice Greenberg and Michael Chertoff.

The government loan of $85 thousand millions of U.S. taxpayer dollars ($85 billion) to keep afloat Maurice Greenberg's criminal operation, American International Group (A.I.G.), brings into the spotlight one of the key individuals in the Zionist criminal network behind 9-11.


Maurice Greenberg
The criminal head of A.I.G.

CRIME PAYS: $85 BILLION FOR GREENBERG

Where's the outrage?  If George W. Bush is not directly related to Isadore Bush, the Jewish wine merchant who headed the B'nai B'rith lodge in St. Louis in the late 1800s, he might as well ought to be.  As president, George W. Bush has done more to advance the agenda of the secretive Jewish brotherhood of Freemasons, more commonly known as "The Elders of Zion," than any other political leader in living memory.  The proposed plan to use $700 billion taxpayer dollars to bail out the Zionist gangsters of Wall Street is Bush's coup de grâce, the final thrust of the dagger of a treasonous Zionist president into the bleeding and supine American body politic.

Bush, a Zionist Quisling, listens to Shimon Peres, the Israeli president,
on September 23 at the United Nations.  The very next day Bush employed shameless fear-mongering tactics to push his administration's bail-out of the Zionist criminals of Wall St.

The Zionist plan to bail out A.I.G. and its criminal head, Maurice R. Greenberg, with a government loan of $85 billion dollars should have all American taxpayers up in arms.  This is the money of our childrens' children they are stealing.  The $700 billion bail-out is described by the New York Times as "an ambitious effort to transfer the bad debts of Wall Street into the obligations of American taxpayers."

On Friday, September 26, President Bush scrambled to bring rebellious members of his own party behind a $700 billion dollar taxpayer bail-out of Wall St. banks amid bitter political recriminations from both Democrats and Republicans over collapsed negotiations, the AP reported. Sen. Richard Shelby, an Alabama Republican, said many GOP lawmakers dislike the proposal that has been pushed on the administration's behalf principally by Paulson. "Basically, I believe the Paulson proposal is badly structured," he said. "It does nothing basically for the stressed mortgage payer. It does a lot for three or four or five banks . ... "

Make no mistake about it, this is a massive "transfer" of American wealth to Zionist criminals; a huge "rip-off," in plain English.

PUSHING FEAR TO STIFLE RESISTANCE

Like all dictators, President Bush employs fear and deception to accomplish a criminal agenda.  His prime time speech to the nation on Wednesday, September 24, provides a classic example of the fear-mongering tactics of this un-elected president to quell public resistance to the $700 billion bail-out of criminal enterprises, such as A.I.G.  His speech was very short on facts (none) and long on fear mongering.

Americans should keep in mind that this is the very same man who lied to the entire world about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, and who has recklessly started two illegal wars of aggression after 9-11, which he and Cheney refused to investigate.

George W. Bush after begging the American public
to support his $700 billion bail-out of Zionist criminals.
As they say, fool me once...

The keystone to the Bush-Bernanke $700 billion bail-out is the $85 billion being made available to Maurice Greenberg's A.I.G.  As I will point out in this article, A.I.G. is a criminal operation and has been engaged in illegal conduct for many years.  American taxpayer money should never be used to support criminal operations like A.I.G.  

Here is the key paragraph from Bush's prime time televised speech, which was clearly meant to put fear in American hearts:

   The government's top economic experts warn that without immediate action by Congress, America could slip into a financial panic, and a distressing scenario would unfold:

   More banks could fail, including some in your community. The stock market would drop even more, which would reduce the value of your retirement account. The value of your home could plummet. Foreclosures would rise dramatically. And if you own a business or a farm, you would find it harder and more expensive to get credit. More businesses would close their doors, and millions of Americans could lose their jobs. Even if you have good credit history, it would be more difficult for you to get the loans you need to buy a car or send your children to college. And ultimately, our country could experience a long and painful recession.

A $700 billion expenditure on distressed mortgage-related assets would be roughly what the country has spent in direct costs on the Iraq war and more than the Pentagon’s total yearly budget appropriation. The bail-out would cost every man, woman and child in the United States more than $2,000 -- before interest.

Fed chairman, Ben S. Bernanke, held a series of conference calls with members of Congress to sell them on the bail-out. Small wonder that hard-working Americans utterly despise Jewish crooks like Maurice Greenberg and Ben Shalom Bernanke.

I don't understand why the public is not protesting and burning tires in the streets of American cities.  It is certainly no secret that A.I.G. is a criminal operation, which is well known to anyone who reads the newspapers.  Doesn't anybody read the papers?

Why are Americans not massively protesting this proposed bail-out?  To my mind, it can only be because the news coverage of the huge bail-out never mentions Greenberg's long history of criminal activity.  The bail-out, now proposed at $700 billion, is portrayed as something that is necessary to save the economy of Main St. -- not a bail-out for a Zionist criminal of the highest magnitude.

"IF WE WERE LEGAL, WE WOULDN'T BE IN BUSINESS"

I will be updating this article on the bail-out of the Zionist crooks behind 9-11, but I want to make it clear that my accusations of Greenberg's criminality are well documented, in the New York Times, for example.  The following NYT article entitled "Excerpts from Complaint Against AIG by New York," dated May 27, 2005, clearly reveals that Greenberg was aware of the criminal nature of AIG's business -- and wanted to keep it that way:

   Following are excerpts from the complaint filed yesterday against American International Group (A.I.G.); its former chief executive, Maurice R. Greenberg (M.R.G.); and its former chief financial officer, Howard I. Smith, by the New York attorney general and the New York superintendent of insurance:

   "Both Greenberg and Smith had a direct personal interest in A.I.G.'s stock price; both held hundreds of thousands of shares of A.I.G. stock.  For example, the value of Greenbergs's holdings increased or decreased approximately $65 billion for every dollar A.I.G. stock moved."

   "For over a decade, A.I.G. engaged in a scheme to mischaracterize premiums paid on the workers' compensation line of insurance...

   "In 1991, A.I.G.'s general counsel, newly arrived from a law firm, undertook a review of the practice...

   "In his interviews, the general counsel learned about the cost that the company would have to incur to 'get legal.'  It would have to hire about 40 new people to do filings properly, charge clients more and pay 'much higher' assessment fees.

   "Indeed, the general counsel's notes reflect that at one stage, an employee went to A.I.G.'s president and was told 'that M.R.G. [Maurice R. Greenberg] did not want him to change things to make it legal - he wants to continue as is.'

   "In another interview, a witness recounted a meeting that he and others had with Greenberg.  According to the notes, 'M.R.G.' asked, 'Are we legal?'  When an employee responded, 'If we were legal, we wouldn't be in business,' then 'M.R.G. began laughing and that was the end of it.'

Maurice Greenberg's son, Jeffrey, headed Marsh & McLennan Companies, the nation's largest insurance broker, which took kickbacks and colluded with AIG to rig bids, artificially jacking up the premiums companies pay for liability insurance, according to a civil fraud complaint filed by New York Attorney General Eliot L. Spitzer in 2004.

The civil fraud complaint named AIG, Hartford Financial Services Group Inc., ACE Ltd. (another Greenberg son's company), and a division of Munich Re as active participants in the scheme. Jeffrey Greenberg, resigned in October 2004, less than two weeks after Marsh & McLennan was accused of cheating customers. Oddly, as a result, Eliot Spitzer said that he would not bring criminal charges against Marsh. Although Maurice Greenberg was also forced to resign as CEO of A.I.G, he maintained a great deal of control of the company through his ownership of stock and managing companies such as Starr International and C.V. Starr.

A.I.G. GUILTY OF CRIMINAL FRAUD  

At least two senior AIG executives pleaded guilty to criminal fraud, acknowledging that they schemed with Marsh and submitted uncompetitive bids to help the broker steer clients to other companies.

While it was under investigation in 2005, A.I.G. disclosed "extensive accounting irregularities."  The company's earnings for the past 5 years were adjusted by some $4 billion.  In 2004, Greenberg was paid at least $20 million from Starr International, his private company in Panama, and A.I.G.

Why is the U.S. government bailing out well known criminals rather than arresting them?  Are we laughing as President Bush and his Zionist advisers and appointees award Greenberg's criminal conduct with an $85 billion bail-out? Is this another major piece of evidence that the U.S. government is, in fact, a crimocracy? Could this bail-out of criminals be stopped if Americans protested loudly enough?

The key person in the Zionist crimocracy behind the bail-out is Ben Shalom Bernanke, the "head of the Fed." [Here Ben does not stand for Benjamin, it is Hebrew for "son," in this case "son of peace."]

EARLY WARNINGS IGNORED

A.I.G. was deemed to be a "shaky insurance company" in a report conducted by Ralph Nader's Public Citizen in 1990. Despite protests and threats from the criminal Greenberg, Public Citizen maintained its "critical assessment" of A.I.G.  Greenberg threatened to sue Public Citizen if the consumer group didn't retract its comments on the company "in the next several days."

"I'm angry," Greenberg said, adding like a street thug, "First learn the facts before you shoot your mouth off."

Joan Claybrook, Public Citizen president, responded to Greenberg's threats in a letter.  Public Citizen "remains fully satisfied with the report's conclusions concerning AIG," Claybrook wrote.

After a re-examination of the facts, Claybrook stood by critical assessment of AIG.  A.I.G. failed four of the six tests that show whether an insurance company could withstand a severe economic slump.  Public Citizen was right, and now American taxpayers are being forced to bail out Greenberg's criminal operation.

Where's the outrage?  If such a huge bail-out were to be demanded from the citizens of any other country, you can be sure that the key players would be scrutinized before one cent of public funds were made available.  In America, however, the controlled media censors all information about who is really responsible for this immense transfer of wealth - from the people to the criminals.

THE DEVOTED ZIONIST BEHIND THE A.I.G. BAIL-OUT

It should come as no surprise that the key person behind this unprecedented government bail-out of A.I.G., a huge Zionist criminal operation, is himself a devoted Zionist.  Ben Shalom Bernanke, the chairman of the Federal Reserve System, is another Hebrew-speaking scion of the Jewish Theological Seminary of New York City, like Michael Chertoff and Alvin K. Hellerstein.

How can it be that the sons of a very small group of uneducated Jews from Eastern Europe, who immigrated to the Bronx in the 1900s, now control a nation of 250 million non-Jews?  If you were to ask a Zionist Jew from the Jewish Theological Seminary why they seek to control America, they would probably say: "Because we can."

Bernanke has been a religious supporter
of Zionist criminals since the 1970s.

Growing up, Bernanke attended the extremist Zionist summer camp (Ramah) of the Jewish Theological Seminary where he was immersed for months in the Zionist ideology of the JTS - in Hebrew.  During college in the early 1970s, Bernanke began working directly with the Jewish political crime bosses in South Carolina.

BERNANKE'S YEARS WITH THE CRIME BOSS OF DILLON

Ben Shalom (Hebrew for "Son of Peace") Bernanke went to Harvard University and graduated with a B.A. in economics in 1975. Throughout college, however, Bernanke had a very odd summer job for an Ivy League student of economics.  Every summer he returned to Dillon, South Carolina, to work for Alan Heller Schafer, the well-known Jewish criminal and political boss who ran a sprawling roadside gambling and drinking establishment called South of the Border.  The adjacent counties in North Carolina had been "dry counties" when Schafer originally started his drinking and gambling establishment.  Such was his clout that he was reportedly able to have the route of Interstate 95 altered so it would directly pass his saloon operation.

Alan Schafer
Bernanke's criminal employer
during his college years.

Alan Schafer was, after all, the long-standing chairman of the Democratic Party in Dillon County, where, since 1966, he ran the "state's smoothest-running political machine" by buying votes.  Schafer's political machine maintained power, said Craig C. Donsanto, director of the Justice Department's Election Crimes Branch, through a "carefully controlled and sophisticated system of rigging elections," the New York Times reported in 1982.  This is the crime boss that Bernanke worked for, every summer, while he studied at Harvard.

"Alan didn't want any more stump meetings because they threatened his candidates," said A.W. (Red) Bethea, 66, who was defeated four times in Statehouse races by Schafer-backed candidates.  "If you were running against the Schafer machine without his wanting you to, you were just wasting your time."

Mr. Donsanto said more than 1,000 Dillon County voters were paid $5 to $10 to sign their names to absentee ballots in 1980.  In the 1980 primary, 1,500 of the 7,000 votes cast in Dillon County were absentee ballots.  Two days after the primary, agents from the U.S. Justice Dept. "swooped down on Dillon County and seized the ballot boxes, touching off the largest voting fraud investigation ever conducted in the Southeast," the Times reported.

After an 18-month investigation, 30 residents of Dillon County were indicted on charges of violating federal election laws, most of them for buying votes.  As the head of the election corruption and vote-buying machine, Schafer was sentenced to three and a half years in federal prison.  The joint state and federal investigation, which finally busted Schafer's political machine, "broke up the county's leadership elite, men who had controlled and manipulated Dillon's political process since the mid-1960s," the Times reported.

This was the well-known Jewish criminal that Ben Shalom Bernanke, a student of economics at Harvard, worked for every summer.  It is simply impossible that Bernanke was unaware of Schafer's wide-scale criminal activities, which were legendary in the state.  (Now, Bernanke is behind the $85 billion taxpayer-funded bail-out of another Zionist criminal, Maurice R. Greenberg, who ran A.I.G. for decades and who owned some $15 billion worth of A.I.G. stock, before it fell some 94 percent in value.)

The "pain and embarrassment" caused by Schafer's decades of criminal activity aimed at controlling elections deeply affected the people of Dillon County.

After college, Bernanke earned a doctorate at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, where his adviser was Stanley "Stan" Fischer.  Fischer, born in Rhodesia, also happens to be the current Governor of the Bank of Israel.  If you look at Bernanke's biography you will find that he has spent his entire life engaged only in Zionist activities.  I have not found any period of Bernanke's life when he was involved in anything other than Zionism.

Bernanke's advisor of Zionist economics at MIT was Stan Fischer,
head of the Bank of Israel; here with Ehud Olmert on April 1, 2008.
[Photo AP - Sebastian Scheiner]

As one might have expected, CNN (owned by Gerald Levine) claimed that Greenberg's criminal A.I.G. was seen as the "gold standard" in the insurance industry.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  A.I.G. is much more than insurance fraud, and there is nothing "golden" about it, except perhaps for the name of its Israeli subsidiary.  Greenberg's criminal enterprise known as A.I.G. is sprawling and even includes a company (ILFC) that leases and finances aircraft for the airlines and secret government missions such as "enforced renditions."

One of Greenberg's aircraft, for example, a Gulfstream 4 with tail number N971L, was involved in the abduction of crew members who survived the Estonia catastrophe in September 1994. Greenberg's plane left Stockholm's Arlanda airport with half a dozen "unregistered passengers" and took them to Bangor, Maine, the day after 11 surviving crew members disappeared from Stockholm's Huddinge hospital.)

This is just a fragment of the criminal activity Greenberg's A.I.G. is involved in. As I wrote in one of the latest chapters of Solving 9-11, published in July 2008, Greenberg and A.I.G. are both involved in the 9-11 false flag terror attacks:

   KROLL, GREENBERG & THE ISRAELIS

   Rebuffed in 1987, the Mossad team of Malkin and Shalom didn't give up on Isser Harel's prophecy of 9-11, which meant getting the Port Authority security contract.  They simply changed tack and decided to work in a less obvious manner, through dedicated and corrupt American Zionists like Jules Kroll and Maurice Greenberg.  Shalom went to work for Kroll, according to the online 9/11 Encyclopedia entry for Maurice "Hank" Greenberg, the CEO of the American International Group (A.I.G.) insurance company…

   In 1993, Maurice Greenberg became a partner and co-owner of Jules Kroll's company when A.I.G. bought 23 percent of Kroll.  Greenberg is very close to Henry Kissinger, who became chairman of A.I.G.'s International Advisory Board in 1987.

   Greenberg was deeply involved in China in the 80s, where Henry Kissinger was one of his representatives, according to the 9-11 Encyclopedia.  Through the China trade, Greenberg became close to Shaul Eisenberg, the leader of the Asian section of the Israeli intelligence service Mossad, and agent for the sales of sophisticated military equipment to the Chinese military, it reports.  Eisenberg was also the owner of Atwell Security of Tel Aviv...

   Maurice Greenberg and Jules Kroll are connected to the key players of 9-11 in so many ways that their connections would fill a book.  For the purpose of this chapter, however, there are a few key connections that need to be underlined:

   1.  Maurice Greenberg and Jules Kroll became partners in 1993, the same year Kroll Associates "was chosen over three other companies to advise the Port Authority on a redesign of its security procedures."  "We have such confidence in them that I have followed every one of their recommendations," Stanley Brezenoff, the Port Authority executive director, told the New York Times in 1994.

   2.  Kroll controlled security at the World Trade Center complex in 2001 and was responsible for hiring John O'Neill, the former chief of counterterrorism for the FBI, who died on 9-11, reportedly his first day on the new job.
   3.  Greenberg's son, Jeffrey W. Greenberg, became CEO of Marsh & McLennan (MMC) in 1999 and chairman in 2000. The first plane of 9-11 flew directly into the secure computer room of Marsh (Kroll) USA, part of Greenberg's company.  Mark Wood, an eyewitness, said: "It looked like a mid-sized executive jet and the way it turned suggested it was being aimed deliberately at a target."

There is much more information about Maurice Greenberg's ties to 9-11 in "The Architecture of Terror: Mapping the Israeli Network Behind 9-11."
September 30, 2008 10:24 AM
 

EReal said:

CoSign AAX to the fullest.

"Npaz said:
Sorry to say but the U.S. is no longer the world's Superpower. Doesn't look like we will be that again, specially with the EU and China getting so powerful. It's going to be hard as hell to make future purchases with credit at least large ones."
^
Theres also the point that America over extended its empire, and like every empire, it will fall. Just like Russia. Russia fell because of Afghanistan and Osama Bin Laden, and now America is next, Bush thought he was smart, and he isnt. We need to cut military spending, including closing down the bases we have all over the world and focus on home. It was failing to focus on what was really going on here that got us to this point. The american people fell for some slight of hand, "hey look, a giant pink elephant" type shit. On the real.
This is what Bin Laden wanted, economic collapse and crisis, and he got it. Straight chillin like a villain with pakastani troops buckin shots for em.
Pay attention people, you're being lied to.
McCain gets elected, yall can find the homie in Mar Del Plata, Argentina. Holla @ ya boy!
September 30, 2008 10:55 AM
 

Bill_Blass74! said:

We got at this point because of people not listening!

Listening is the key for anything to work out!

September 30, 2008 10:58 AM
 

MOB4L said:

America is gettin' straight "DEBOed" for lack of better words. Most of the crisis is in the mind. If media, big business and government are all in one then we're getting the news they want us to get. The fear factor can make a lot of otherwise rational people accept irrational ideas. Read the book "How the World Really Works" by Alan B. Jones. I've said to do so many times already. What's gonna happen is gonna happen. Man the fuck up and keep God first but most importantly don't let them SCARE you cause they just want to see how you respond before they really give it to you! The most effective way to change the way a nation thinks and acts is through war and spending a lot of money on different government projects that aren't really necessary. Right now its about "DEBOing" the American public and seeing how they react. When that's done more sh*t will come. We've had the Depression and many recessions throughout American history but we've always come back stronger than before. Them people high up are gonna keep slammin' us on the concrete until we just don't get back up. That's the reality of things. Just tell yourself that things in economics go in a cycle and pray for better days. I have this teacher who has managed over $1 billion in banking and is taking a year off by teaching and he says that even though the government is putting up $700 billion now, the economy stands to make several times that in the next 3-4 years due to this financial move. Even though people are freakin' out, the economy won't do this bad forever and there will be an upside in a few years. Hope he's right. What's gonna happen is gonna happen anyway, just be ready mentally, physically and spiritually. God Bless and stay positive cause positivity is of more use to us Americans than money is if you know what I mean. If America fails China fails so don't buy into that superpower stuff. IT'S ALL IN THE MIND! America will never fail unless we allow it! We have more power than we think! It starts with us and the decisions we make for ourselves and our families! PEACE
September 30, 2008 11:22 AM
 

T-ROC said:

Did someone mention get rid of the IRS?

@ Deenice718

Yes, YOU did!!!

so, here is some reading for your knowledge: The Fair Tax http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer
September 30, 2008 11:39 AM
 

T-ROC said:

AND YES, this whole problem can be solved by the fair tax by  Neal Boortz and if you are not familiar with the fair tax get familiar. GOOD READ.
September 30, 2008 11:42 AM
 

Hard Liquor said:

Its full circle, everybody that has a job has been paying taxes for years, Im not talking about the 18 to 21 y/o's that are out there confused, but the 35 to 40 y/o's that have been working since they were 18, paying taxes and social security.
Now, the US wants our hard earned tax paying dollars to help the rich guys on Wall St that have been fleecing America for well over 50 years! The want our money to bail them out? We are already bailing out the unemployed on welfare for years....and now we have to bail out the rich?
How does that work....when do us middle class get a chance? by fooling us with sub-prime loans? By approving us for credit cards with high amounts and insane late fee charges, knowing that were going to go for it, becuase we want a piece of the pie?
The whole thing makes me sic to my stomach, were in a national crisis and the house still has the gull to take a "Jewish Holiday" off? WHAT THE FUCK!!!??
When are we going to stop focusing on the rich, making them richer, blaming others for our failure or lack of motivation, and start focusing on the facts and truths out there? We are being taken advantage of, and it needs to come to an end, this is the time to get educated people, and get upset, and vote, and make a difference, if not for yourself, then do it for your kids.
September 30, 2008 11:54 AM
 

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September 30, 2008 1:19 PM
 

Sinistah aka Sin Piffcaso said:

man, this country done fucked up, givin billions to overseas spots but got unemployment and foreclosure rates about as high as Red and Meth's movie trailers......, how can we take care of others when we can't even take care of home.....

but i guess as Pac said "we got money 4 war, but can't feed the poor".........

i saw this dumb shit happenin around 2002 when a few notable companies began to merge

fuck it, it is what it is..... good luck folk, if you got a job, ya better try to hold on to it, if you flippin burgers, you better be a culinary gymnist out this beyoootch, if you a janitor, you better have mop skills like an 08 Mr. Miyagi!

Wax On, Wax Off my nukkaz!!!!!!!!!!
September 30, 2008 1:34 PM
 

SEATOWNZ FINEZT said:

LMFAO damn Jeezy shoulda waited longer to drop his album instead of Recession shit call it THE DEPRESSION, and yo all Im gotta is this if MCCAIN wins the fucking election Im moving to Canada yall and I don't even like Canada that just goes to show cuz This country will be so fucked if Mccain gets in to the point of no return and don't try to defend the fucking fossil yall know im right GONE!!!
October 1, 2008 1:03 AM
 

makavalias said:


KingMe2 said:
If you really want to know some real talk on how we got into this mess watch the following documentaries....it will scare you....

Freedom to Facism
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

Zeitgeist
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197
September 29, 2008 5:17 PM


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October 1, 2008 2:02 AM
 

KINGPHILIP47 said:

@Makavalias

Those films are talkin bout that real shit that everybody missin out on.  To add to this editorial, Im sure if anybody has mentioned this yet, but all the mortagage loans and stuff could have been paid off  for about 100 billion or less.  The idea of $700 Bil is a scam.  And one part of the scam is to put congress in a frantic situation where they dont actually take the time to go over the $700 Bil proposal and make a hasty decision and sign over their congressional power to the hands of Bush and the Powers controlling him.  

And we need to get rid of the IRS.  That shit is a scam too... thats one of the main reasons that we have SS#'s... peep out them vids Makavalias posted... and heres some more...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQZ56hkKOlk
October 1, 2008 5:03 AM
 

KINGPHILIP47 said:

October 1, 2008 5:12 AM
 

Way2Kool said:

Hold tight folks and watch your spending. The financial storm has only begun.  What's happening with our economy is far from accidental events.  I believe we'll persevere through this ordeal.  
October 1, 2008 12:59 PM
 

whiteboyme said:

Good article and very informative and then the people take over and run wild with their conspiracy theories and racism towards Jewish and white people. It is pretty sad that a group who does not want to be discriminated against have no problem lobbing race insults.
October 1, 2008 8:17 PM
 

MOB4L said:

To those who want to "run" to Canada:

If Canada, America and Mexico join together (which they most likely will) to form an American Union.....

@whiteboyme

Get a grip, we're not talking about race, we're talking about MONEY and how its being used to take away our many freedoms.
October 2, 2008 12:50 AM
 

lamarrion said:

good read; but we can just cut the chase because we all know bush did it.
October 6, 2008 8:47 AM
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