The Beat Melee: Denada Squeaks By, Facing New Battle 
Published Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:25 PM
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    By DW of BeatDynasty.com
    Welcome back to another week of AllHipHop.com's Beat Melee. Thanks to all of those offering constructive feedback, insightful discussion topics, and big ups to the contestants.

    The homey Denada took some jabs last week for his sample heavy style but still came out on top with about 59 percent of the votes. JRB The Producer put up a great fight with an eclectic blend of sounds and ear jolting changes.

    The BeatDynasty.com staff does it's best to incorporate all forms of music into the battles. Hip-Hop music has changed forms so many times since it's beginning roots. Originally, rappers used a microphone to kick rhymes alongside a DJ who would spin disco instrumentals. Then DJs began to use smaller portions of the songs and loop them, which is where sampling began. With the expansion of technology and the money that Hip-Hop music could generate, some have switched over to a more keyboard based style of production. But it's all Hip-Hop. From Just Blaze, The RZA, or Primo, to Timbaland, Dr. Dre, or DJ Quik. There are 6 million ways to do it. If your head nods, that's the right one, whether you're using dusty 45s or FL Studio.

    That being said... Denada earns the esteemed title of "16 Track Boarder" with his second straight victory. He's halfway home to "Immortal Trackster" status. Check the battle below, vote, and comment. Let the games begin!!!

    Challenger

    Name: Ill Will The Champ (Drank King Productions)

    Where you are from: Columbus, GA (C-Town)

    Who is your favorite producer: GOD (The man upstairs be helping everybody make heat; we just vessels! Say I'm lying...)

    A description of your style of music: Words are dangerous. If I say one style I may haphazardly speak into existence something that would restrict my growth as a musician... (Sorry to the reading impaired... that was the long a** way of saying NO COMMENT)

    The best way for someone to contact you: kendricks1wh@aol.com or drankkingpro@yahoo.com


    marvgraindrumwrap


    piratehorndrum


    oneuwithdrum

    Reigning Champion

    Name: Denada

    Where you are from: Los Angeles/ Currently in Birmingham Alabama

    Who is your favorite producer: DJ Premier, Rza, Madlib, Pete Rock, Large Professor, Dilla, Flying Lotus, The Beatnuts, Beatminerz....etc

    A description of your style of music: Some head nod s**t

    The best way for someone to contact you: email --- suazeone@yahoo.com ..........

    Rising Sun


    The Soloist


    The Joy


    Use the custom Poll below to vote, but don't forget to also leave a comment
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    Comments

     

    D.I.C.E. said:

    @ Denada

    aye on that Soloist track, is that metroid samples?

    Damn, i like all these tracks from both artist this is a tuff call. fuck...
    ummmm.......

    Ill Will
    some is missin on that last track. is sounds goo, but somethin jus aint there.

    Denada
    same thing with ur last two tracks, they sound good, but they missin somethin. jus that x factor that make u wanna bang yo head til yo neck break

    Based on that i guess im gonna go wit Ill Will ...i think....???
    August 6, 2009 12:53 PM
     

    poe said:

    Ill Will.
    August 6, 2009 1:19 PM
     

    Tres03 said:

    Good stuff from both dudes!
    But I have to go with Ill Will this week
    Continued success to both......
    August 6, 2009 1:33 PM
     

    SoulHeir of Check&Balance said:

    Gotta go with "Ill Will" on this one.  His first two tracks shut em down.

    Denada had a nice run but ....Took a L on this one...

    The "soloist" had potential to really do the damn thing had he added some drums ...I liked it anyhow but could really see it being "epic" with some type of drum programming....To each their own tho...

    Bigups to both and keep doing ya thang...

    HiGh Salute...
    Heir
    August 6, 2009 1:37 PM
     

    Asher "Black Bomb" Sommer said:

    Ill Will gets my vote. Nice stuff. I'm feelin' it.
    August 6, 2009 2:00 PM
     

    djgordon said:

    Denada:

    Rising Sun on second listen is nuts. That i think is your best beat of the competition so far. That beat can do no wrong in my book.

    The Soloist: Those type of beats are hit and miss with me...this time, it missed. Cool idea though.

    Joy: I would say take what you chopped a little farther with this beat.  Don't get me wrong, I like it, i just feel like some of the chops you pulled out on this sample were too short. I see where you were going with it though. Good work.

    ----------

    Ill Will:

    marvgraindrumwrap: nice sample. nice kit. but I feel like this beat is building to something and it never gets there. It's already a head banger, add one or two more percussion pieces to this. its right there!

    piratehorndrum: best beat you put out so far. The detail on this is redic.

    oneuwithdrum: not really feeling this beat. i would say you missed on this one. but each to their own.

    Overall ill will wins 2 beats to 1 vs denada

    congrats to both of you, you did your things. peace.
    August 6, 2009 2:33 PM
     

    sumhatesumluv said:

    First off, good work and I applaud the effort from both cats. Next, I had to listen twice to both cats. Both times I listened I got the feel that Rising Sun was the best track out of all 6 and the only one that made me want to dissect the beat and spit. On the other hand, Soloist was the worst out of all 6. I also didn't care for Piratehorndrum either. IllWill came through with 2 solid tracks and Denada gave one banger and a decent one.

    The champ almost has to be KO'd to lose when I'm judging. Denada wins on a split decision.
    August 6, 2009 2:37 PM
     

    BlackPeople 1 said:

    damn i still gotta go with denada.

    at least i can understand his shit is hip hop.

    i'm not gone be fooled into thinking that any computer programming is hip hop.

    that's some corny coward shit.

    matter fact, denada automatically got it until yall battle him against another hip hop producer.

    the shit is called all hip hop.
    not  all electronic orchestra music . com


    now let us see a battle between two hip hop producers.


    yall keep lettin all this wack shit slide.
    yo where do yall be from, man????

    shit, show me one major hip hop classic song where a major emcee is rhymin over a beat similar to some of this shit.

    just show me.

    where do yall draw influence and inspiration?

    yall need to power down all the electronics and go listen to some soul music on wax from 1969-1974 and then find your identity.

    August 6, 2009 3:05 PM
     

    IronHorse said:

    Ill Will The Champ (Drank King Productions)

    track1: Texas pete! sounds like something familiar, very VERY just blaze-ish...this is a smoker my nigga!

    track2: ehhh...high hats are too loud or has too much highs, its the highs though...its iight...generic rhythm...the outkast sample is kinda unnecessary...its iight dont get me wrong, but this is why I hate the 808 kit personally, it doesnt take you anywhere...

    track3: nah Im good...very cheesy rhythm... has that filler/throwaway feel to it, even though you got some breakdowns & all that....sounds like christian rap or something...very software-ish, that will do it everytime...for me, when I hear BEAT BATTLE, this is not what Im going for AT ALL...zero aggression...

    *track 1 did it for me hands down, from the tag drops to the drums this shit bangs!! I can hear a state property reunion over that shit!! the other 2 were what i call "reachers"...their just random beats with no aim or direction...and what kinda track titles are those? its doesnt tell you anything about YOUR vision, as the producer, for the beat...

    Denada

    rising sun: its iight but sounds like I heard this 80 times in 95 from some random wu knockoff group...no diss just uninspiring for me...fuckin with certain samples/sounds you can get stuck sometimes, trust me I know lol...

    The Soloist:
    Ha Ha! this is critical...see now if kanye or somebody you already heard of came out with some shit like this he gets grammys and shit and everybody loves & copies off it...This is brilliant, just needs the right MC on it with the right topic...some 2012 planet x shit...best shit I heard so far IMO....drums are perfect, nice and sparse...

    The Joy:
    another wu knockoff sounding joint...them drums killed this shit completely...and the chops are generic sounding, I heard you either freehanding it at the end or no quantization, big ups on that...nah...im good though...

    *The soloist needs to be on somebodys album, AN MC, not no fuckin rapper they wouldnt know what to do with that!!! the other 2 sound like complete throwaways...no emotion, no feel, and just...bland...IMO...

    **man this is tough ...
    after listening to all 6 minutes of illwill's 1st track, marvin drums or whatever, I just knew he was gonna kill it cause it was so full and complete, sample or not...
    The rest of the tracks were weak... to me...2nd track was decent but had that "too much" feel to it, from that sample to the frantic high hats...the last track had a dedication feel to it, something you might thank the lord over...not at a beat battle sir...thats not what I wanna hear...
    Also I know like 8 ill wills already lol...and these beats sound like... if not you, SOMEBODY will run across the exact same patterns, exact same drums, exact same samples, ALI sound bites *DJ green lantern* rhythm arangements, EVERYTHING, if they havent already done it...its just so...right now... that its sounds like everything out... RIGHT NOW! I personally hate that shit when checking out PRODUCERS. cause your job is to HELP the MC take YOUR IDEA too the next level, be it a club track or a concious track...no? peep the back story on jay-z's DOA...peep the original idea from THE PRODUCER and where THE MC=Jay-Z takes THE PRODCUERS vision...thats what YOUR JOB is...set em up, he, THE MC, knocks em down...you know how they say "vision who you could hear rhyming over your beats" well there you have it...
    Denada...my man...you got MADLIB on your list of influences, that alone got my vote! I didnt get to check out last weeks joint cause the links were all dead about time I came around...so going off the 1st week...you had some boring sounding joints on there too...so to be fair your coming off TO ME like a hit or miss...that happens when you get trapped sampling "those artist" with "those sounds"...you know...the dramatic strings, the dusty drums...your al greens, your barry whites...your chi lites etc etc etc....everything starts sounding good to chop...until you get to laying your own drums... THEN you got search for the perfect snare to fit....
    don tget me wrong...That soloist is some shit I WOULD BUY from you as an MC myself lol...that shit is corky helmet retarded duke!!! You need to stash that for somebody like DOOM or Common...someone with an ear, an MC, that can appreciate it...that shit is phenominal...kinda reminds me of "monkey suit" by madvillian...A++ my nigga....
    But the other 2? like I said, complete throwaways...I got some too, aint no diss or none of that....
    Your snare selection didnt have any flare...just reverb...at least that what it sounded like...

    I can almost bet that EVERYBODY is gonna go with ill will...
    for 1, denada keeps winning, and 2 ill will sounds "familiar"...
    the only thing that kept me from voting for ill will is that his joints were too generic sounding for my taste, OR the fact that I know Im gonna hear someone with that exact same style next week, on the radio, on MTV, on BET, on VH1, on myspace, on the internet etc etc etc...its just sooo...I dont know yo...that 1st track was a killer though ill will dont get it fucked up...
    denada...you gonna have to come up off 1 of your heaters you got in the stash to stay alive my nigga, this nigga ill will brung it yo lol!!
    *denada...
    August 6, 2009 3:08 PM
     

    IronHorse said:

    lol @ blackpeople 1...
    I feel you my man... I really do...but you know your talking to a brick wall right? lol...

    BTW:
    myspace.com/theblackwaterfamily
    iam7.net
    http://www.iam7.net/DJ7TrainVirusBlackwater.html
    August 6, 2009 3:12 PM
     

    BlackPeople 1 said:

    iron horse, man, shit.
    i still gotta say it tho.

    i gotta jet but i'll be back.

    but you know what else though?

    say after beatdynasty get their shit together and recognize why hip hop has it's own genre,

    you know what else?

    amongst any of the beat heads in here i wonder if we realizing or missing out on something.

    the emcee is the forefront of the song.
    the beat is the backdrop that support the emcee, you know?

    i was listening to my old head on this a while ago and he told me some beats from the mega dudes sometimes sound cluttered.
    and it distract from the emcee.

    i was like hmmmm. i gotta think about that shit.

    one of the brothers on here made an excellent point.
    he said he was a MC and if the beat don't make him wanna spit then it's wack to him.

    or something like that.

    but i wonder if some of the newer producers neglect that in an effort to show off their beatsmith skills.

    i was thinking about that last week.

    i wanted to throw that out there at the brothers and see what they thought.



    oh, yo, here a beat i did so yall can see i put my money where my mouth is.

    http://www.zshare.net/audio/60823658aabae308/

    when i get back i'll show yall all the samples.
    August 6, 2009 3:27 PM
     

    BlackPeople 1 said:

    i just read the following shit again that you wrote DW of the beatdynasty.

    "Originally, rappers used a microphone to kick rhymes alongside a DJ who would spin disco instrumentals. Then DJs began to use smaller portions of the songs and loop them, which is where sampling began."


    i can't believe the nerve of this dude.

    you lightweight tried to diss DJs.
    and the formula of hip hop music.


    damn.
    we fucked up out here.
    August 6, 2009 3:31 PM
     

    ONE-DERKID said:

    ill will the champ



    i make beats too, click on my name.
    August 6, 2009 3:54 PM
     

    Mysterygrimms said:

    Lol at Beat Dynasty trying to school us to the history of hip-hop on allhiphop.com. DW is probably a cornball anyways. This weeks battle was really really close. Denada gets my vote this week. I liked both "The Soloist" and "The Joy" beats. All his tracks actually sounded like hip-hop tracks with some meaning behind them.  Still need work, but your getting there.

    Ill will your beats sounded too, now of days, for me. I can't get with anything that be on the radio now, it all sounds the same and sucks. "marvgraindrumwrap" is your best track for sure though, still needs alittle more work though. Just work on your drums more and sample selections. Also try to diversify yourself more. YOu'll get there evenually for sure.
    August 6, 2009 4:12 PM
     

    djgordon said:

    @Blackpeople1
    you have a point there.  The creativity that both these producers have shown puts them in two seperate brackets, which makes it harder to pit their beats against each other and therefore becomes harder to judge. Sometimes all the beats are missing something and sure you can break it down and see what would make their beats better, but I like to take into account the overall sound too, to see if maybe I can figure out their train of thought, which played heavily into my decision to pick Ill Will. Sometimes you just don't know where someone decides to take a beat (ie. it makes no sense, they lack sounds or have a poor selection, etc.) I make beats for fun, and i'm sure you'll see something f you click my name.

    If anything I can say, Ill Will showcased his ability to appease both sides of the spectrum (ie smooth sample joints to the new school selection) where denada has been regulated to one side of the spectrum in that sense.

    I feel as both continue to press their own trademarks into their production, they will find something new that just might make even the biggest hip hop enthusiasts stop and press rewind.    
    August 6, 2009 4:35 PM
     

    BlackPeople 1 said:

    what up mystery grim.

    well spoken dj gordon.

    i'm a check ya page.
    i gotta listen to some nigerian afro beat shit for a minute.

    i'm all fela kuti out.

    to be continued.

    peace.
    August 6, 2009 4:45 PM
     

    Mysterygrimms said:

    @BlackPeople 1

    Mysterygrimms. But whats good BlackPeople1? Fela kuti thats a legendary music composer right there. That afrobeat.  
    August 6, 2009 4:56 PM
     

    Denada said:

    PEACE AHH
    Ill Will you nice on the beats man. Marvgraindrumwrap
    is a dope track, right up my alley man... Keep doing your thing brother and I  wish you much success......

    Thank you all for giving my music the time of day.. Again I read all the comments from the last battle and tried to offer a variety of music this time around...  At the end of the day I am pleased with what I had to offer.  Props to everyone who showed love with the comments and offered suggestions I appreciate it all......

    The Soloist is a good indication of what my music is morphing into, everything else that you all heard is older and IMO more geared towards battle music. So I was glad that it was received so well....
    If any of you are interested in listening to more tunes of that style and feel, then you can check me at :

    http://www.myspace.com/denada81


               ONE LOVE
                 DENADA
    Nada Damn Thing Productions


    August 6, 2009 6:27 PM
     

    Fresh Err said:

    This was really a hard one... To me it's virtually a tie and with that said I have to give the nod to Denada. Like another poster said, Ill Will had to really knock him out the box to win it.

    @DJ Gordon

    I'm really digging your joints man...


    Those who can, do... Those who can't, hate.
    August 6, 2009 7:34 PM
     

    IllWillTheChamp said:

    Ahhh!  I be on this site all the time and just submitted the other day!  Denada you been killing em.  Got that true hiphop soul there.  I'm just happy to be here but I'm repping the south and representing for all the instrumentalists too!  Preciate all the comments!  
    August 6, 2009 9:33 PM
     

    IllWillTheChamp said:

    @BlackPeople 1... You the reason that Pimp C said he don't do hip hop.  Country rap tunes ...  What makes a hip hop producer?  It's folks that thought like that probably booed Outkast at the Source Awards.  Like it or don't like it but don't say it ain't hip hop.  It just ain't your flavor and that's cool.  I respect that I appreciate your opinion.  Peace!  C-Town Stand Up
    August 6, 2009 9:58 PM
     

    Africasson said:

    I gotta go with Ill Will on this one . .  I could ride out to all 3 tracks
    August 6, 2009 10:08 PM
     

    IllWillTheChamp said:

    @Iron Horse  Fair reporting media!  I appreciate that for real!  That kast sample was dropped in after I made that beat.  I agree with you... it was complete without it but I was like f*** it!  I wanted to inject a lil southern funk in a bouncy hornsy hood track to mix the two worlds.  Still working on the 1st one but I already spent days on that track.  I want some live drums personally.  Now I just need my own band... lol  The last track is a personal favorite because it has a rock feel to it.  I tried to give 3 totally different looks...  
    August 6, 2009 10:28 PM
     

    JUDAH NAZURA said:

    Imma go with denada...the soloist is pretty ill...its non conforming..and brave..

    and his last beat was hard as well..

    the first joint ?............ehhh..doesnt suck...but other two were flames



    the challenger was dope on the first cut...and i liked the second one too..i swear son is biting sum of judah naz s ingredients

    but he went in tho..thats what im here for..to help nigguz




    i keep seeing cats say that electronica is not "hiphip"

    thats bullshit!

    timabaland,pharell,dre,rza,and others use electronica in their beats and nobody say theyre not hiphop

    this is madness!   if everybody chopped up soul samples for every beat they made

    I wouldnt even care for hiphop..its time to move on...88 is over it...incorporate soul samples..but it shouldnt be a primary foundation..because that leads to the question

    "what..........did YOU make?"

    whats up fresh?  shalom ak


    shalom denada....shalom ill will ..

    God bless you both..keep the music alive..and expand on it...

    phidukk what a hater gotta say   do u

    August 6, 2009 11:14 PM
     

    D.I.C.E. said:

     
    BlackPeople 1 said:
    damn i still gotta go with denada.

    at least i can understand his shit is hip hop.

    i'm not gone be fooled into thinking that any computer programming is hip hop.

    that's some corny coward shit.

    matter fact, denada automatically got it until yall battle him against another hip hop producer.

    the shit is called all hip hop.
    not  all electronic orchestra music . com


    now let us see a battle between two hip hop producers.


    yall keep lettin all this wack shit slide.
    yo where do yall be from, man????

    shit, show me one major hip hop classic song where a major emcee is rhymin over a beat similar to some of this shit.

    just show me.

    where do yall draw influence and inspiration?

    yall need to power down all the electronics and go listen to some soul music on wax from 1969-1974 and then find your identity.

    ------------------------------

    So in yo opinion, u feel like hip hop can only be made from samples of soul music ? Or, is hip hop only made from usin a mpc or only by sampliny off of wax? I strarted wit a mpc but now i use reason 4 bcuz, well, for 1, i dont have acces to a mpc. 2, bcuz i like to come up wit my own original compositions. So does that mean i make computer electronic programming trakcs? Does that make me a corny coward??

    Im jus tryin to understand what u mean u kno what im sayin.. i was born in 82, u older than me so maybe u know somethin i dont bcuz if u sayin that hip hop is ONLY usin soul samples or samples in general, i dont agree wit what u sayin.

    both of these dudes are hip hop producers. now last week, that other nigga wasnt, he was more on the pop side. he was talented, but not hip hop. He made pop beats with a hip hop feel. but both theses dudes make rap beats.

    I dont mean no disrespect, but u seem like one of those niggas that think all rap production should sound like Dj Premier. I like premier, i think he one of the greatest producer in rap, but, i like variety. I dont wanna hear another preemo wanna be.

    I jus wanna kno ur perspective on what "real" hip hop is.
    August 7, 2009 12:11 AM
     

    RMONEY said:

    The Soloist is the worst beat I have ever heard in my entire life. No exaggeration.
    August 7, 2009 12:44 AM
     

    BlackPeople 1 said:

    ill will the champ.

    may pimp c rest in peace.
    he was a real outspoken dude.

    but i don't give a fuck about what he or anybody else from down there said about why their shit is country rap tunes.

    represent hip hop music.
    not your region.


    don't ask me.
    ask ya man scarface.
    he'll tell you what's what.

    now congratulations on gettin selected.




    judah nazura, again. i really don't know what you tryna say.

    ain't nobody talking about electronica today.
    and lemme tell you something.

    don't come at me talkin anything about some hip hop that's been in the mainstream post 97.

    so fuck that neptunes shit you might like.
    that kanye shit
    whatever weird experimental fusion shit that dilutes what hip hop is.

    you pickin the wrong time to talk about moving on.
    people that love and know what hip hop is must remain steadfast on that shit.

    if you wanna create a new genre fine.
    but leave hip hop where it's at.






    d.i.c.e
    what's happening good bruhva?

    no.
    i don't think everybody should sound like premier.
    premier ain't even my favourite.

    but so far as mastering the hip hop sound?
    i would say premier
    pete rock
    easy mo be
    tribe called quest
    93-'00 rza
    88-96 dr. dre
    the beatnuts
    diamond d.
    marley marl
    large professor
    lord finesse
    buckwild
    erick sermon
    dj muggs
    mark the 45 king etc...

    look man, i ain't that much older than you and you don't hafta use your age as a handicap.

    i buy and listen to records from eras way before i was born.

    wanna know why?

    because i like music.

    dig this.

    today, tonight, young black folk are being pushed in the direction of making one genre of audio entertainment product.

    URBAN POP.

    turn on the radio.
    listen.
    it's all blended and mixed the same.

    but this wasn't the way it always was
    and it ain't the way it gotta be.

    we can do jazz
    soul
    funk
    disco
    salsa
    electronica
    blues with a harmonica
    and hip hop

    but it behooves us to know the difference between each genre and to also know what we are capable of.

    now.

    onto hip hop production and the manipulation of samples.

    anytime you talk to someone anyone and they look you in the face and tell you its okay to be average then get far away from them.

    if you gon fuck with hip hop production why not be the best at it?

    so let's look at the best hip hop producers from the best era.

    we can't keep running away from that shit.
    we gotta face it.

    just look at hip hop in it's lifecycle.
    look at it in it's birth it's apex etc.

    look at the good years.
    look at the highlights like jordan in his three peat years.

    now when you do that you gon see some shit.

    and this is my gift to you.

    ULTIMATE BREAKS AND BEATS
    http://www.beatstreet.ca/index.php?keywords=ultimate+breaks+and+beats&search_type=artists

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Breaks_and_Beats

    no hip hop beat is complete without seasoning from this collection above.

    no top 10 hip hop producer in history is without that collection of records.
    from pete to primo to dre to diamond to the 45 king to marley.
    none of them have secured thier legacy without lacing their beats with those breaks.


    utilize these AT LEAST d.i.c.e and you will be making hip hop beats cousin.

    i talk straight.
    be careful if you ask somebody something and they tell you everything that's out right now is cool.
    because it's not.

    make them answer you straight and then judge for yourself from that straight answer.

    yo, also, i realized that a lotta yall really don't have any records.
    or even a record player.

    this is violation because you are disconnected from the black soul that gave birth to hip hop.

    but i understand times is hard. so if you get cds shit a lotta those breaks may be on cds.

    but go through and get yaself those breaks so that you can be where the greats are.

    peace.
    August 7, 2009 2:04 AM
     

    djgordon said:

    i was just about to go to sleep when i refreshed the page...and you go off yo, lol that is nuts!! for you new school cats, I am just as young as you and i understand what this man is saying. You never have a true appreciation for music, let alone your own genres until you go back and see where it all started from. These days in my collection i have more than one genre for rap, hip hop, gangsta music, i have even gone as far as to create a tag for what i like to call Ignorant Music. That is that catchy stuff that you may or may not want to hear all through your day. Pick any name out of the list that he threw up and study their work and trust me you will have a different perspective when you are through. No disrespect tho bredren but leave the old Kanye out of that. He has done some amazing things as a producer in the past, not so much now. And the neptunes..those cats are the best i have seen at mastering any track, and thats real. Look under the surface people. Great words of wisdom homie. peace
    August 7, 2009 2:31 AM
     

    djgordon said:

    @ fresh err: thanks for the love yo, i tossed those three in here first, but doesn't look like i'll get in this competition.
    August 7, 2009 2:33 AM
     

    Fresh Err said:

    @ Judah

    What's hap'nin capt'n...

    @ djgordon

    Your time will come, I'm sure of that... There is no way these cats are not feeling your tracks (judging from the other stuff I heard on previous battles).

    @ Ill Will

    Don't let anybody tell you what hip-hop is... Your beats are straight hip-hop and they are dope. I don't even know what urban pop is.


    Those who can, do... Those who can't, hate.
    August 7, 2009 8:38 AM
     

    lamarrion said:

    Hip hop is what you make it

    As long as it makes your head nod it don't matter how you make it

    I own a MPC 2500 and reason 4 and will use both together.

    Ppl should be able to both sample and create original compositions



    August 7, 2009 1:22 PM
     

    Mysterygrimms said:

    Hip-hop can be anything as long as you know and learn the fundamentals of hip-hop and the true essence behind the art. As far as equipment that shit don't matter. It's the person who operates and the imagination they use to create and craft a beat.

    Just study the genre, music theory, and the forefathers and their children (meaning hip-hops beginnings and the artist's that came after as well) to get a good idea of what hip-hop truly is.

    Thats all Ic an say on this matter. As far as sampling? Thats apart of hip-hop so if you can think outside the box and mix and mesh loops with drums then that is hip-hop. All the old hip-hop that we've listened to and grown to admire incorporated beat breaks (drums sampled from mostly 70's artists and groups) and looped melodies of disco and 70's and 80's r&b and rock music.

    Then we started to incorporate synth and sound effects (which is way more prevalent in today's hip-hop). I don't care what instrument or samples you use. If you can be creative with it and make heads nod and want to rap to your beats? Then thats hip-hop.
    August 7, 2009 1:47 PM
     

    Mysterygrimms said:

    Also i use reason 4, fruity loops. Used the triton, mpc 2000, 2000xl, 300, and 4000 int he past. I couldn't tell you how many of the original drum machines i used like the boss dr series, alesis hr 16 A and b the yamaha RY drum pattern machines and so on.

    It's all about the person behind these computer based and hardware based machines in the end. Being able to conjure up musical compositions without samples is a good thing as well. Especially if your producer who may want to work with an R&B artist one day or live band.
    August 7, 2009 1:50 PM
     

    lamarrion said:

    @ mystery
    that hr 16 was a beast

    my best work was on that
    August 7, 2009 2:33 PM
     

    BlackPeople 1 said:

    fresh err, you think that's cool to say?
    "don't let anybody tell you what hip hop is" ?

    you think that sounds fly?

    you wrong cousin.

    we need to communicate.
    brothers that know need to pass shit down.
    the way it was passed down to us.

    this is how authenticity of a genre is retained.

    the shit i'm saying is not my idea.
    the shit was given to me verbatim by some of the best and legendary DJs and producers from the foundation.

    go record shopping in NY and philly and you'll come across them.

    they looked out for me and now -- this is the other part that's crazy -- these brothers on the board asked me what i thought.

    so that's why i'm telling them "what hip hop is".


    we all need to rap to each other.
    everyone and everything ain't just alright.

    this is how media raises us and we don't raise each other.

    if one brother knows something then he should be able to pass that shit on.
    like kung fu styles.

    they asked me.
    i told them.
    so let them take from it what they will.


    "don't let anybody tell you what hip hop is"

    this is crazy.
    shit we better start telling people what hip hop is before our shit turn to robotic, emo shit.


    by the way, 808s and heartbreak is urban pop
    whatever you listening to on the radio is urban pop.
    and so on and so forth.


    and you wonder why our music is in the shitter.


    fuck it, i'm gonna go see snake eyes vs storm shadow.
    stop frontin. yall know who that is.
    catch yall freaks latoooor.
    August 7, 2009 2:55 PM
     

    Fresh Err said:

    @BP1

    I don't totally disagree with you... I just believe that it's all hip-hop. A lot of it may be bullshit but it's all hip-hop. I go with what the person who is doing the art intended (again it may be bullshit). If the artist is going in thinking what he is doing is hip-hop then it's hip-hop, who am I to say what he or she is not doing? I don't need to ask anybody anything because I've been in the game before the golden era... White Knight and I have had this very discussion before (you a DJ so you should know who White Knight is). We also talked about how we would have love to have the kinds of sounds they have today back then.

    Let's put it like this... What was Afrika Bamabaataa doing? What was Stetsasonic doing? What was Newcleus doing? Are they not hip-hop? Live instrumentation and synths have been just as much a part of hip-hop as two turntables and a crossfader.

    Hip-Hop is a culture... Not just music. Music is part of the culture.

    By the way... Your joint was on point.


    Those who can, do... Those who can't, hate.
    August 7, 2009 6:30 PM
     

    Fresh Err said:

    @ BP1

    Oh yeah, I don't think it's "cool" to say "Don't let anybody tell you what hip-hop is"... That's just how I feel. Unlike you, I don't need anybody to define hip-hop for me. I remember the times it wasn't about labeling... There was no east coast this and west coast that... We could listen to NWA and Kwamé and think nothing of it. Actually, I believe labeling is the punk way out. It's an excuse for mediocrity... "Oh, the reason I did this like this is because it's _____ (add label)".

    ... Hip-Hop music is the genre and all the rest is sub-genres (i.e. gansta, east, west, house, jungle). One of the main purpose of Hip-Hop and Hip-Hop music is to not be put in a box... And I believe that is what you are trying to do.


    Those who can, do... Those who can't, hate.
    August 7, 2009 6:53 PM
     

    BlackPeople 1 said:

    point taken, fresh err.

    i just got back from the movies.
    yall go see gi joe or something.

    ay yo, fresh err. to be continued.
    we'll see each other on another board.

    i don't wanna belabor the point.
    you know i gotta response for the jam on it days and planet rock shit, tho.

    but shit, peace man, i'll see you next time.

    good lookin out on my track.
    August 7, 2009 7:18 PM
     

    Fresh Err said:

    @ BP1

    One more thing, I agree with you 100% with studying your craft (and that is in anything a person do)... And that includes the history of it. You usually can tell who is about their craft and who is not because it reflects in their product (that is why I believe you got a lot of bullshit these days).


    Those who can, do... Those who can't, hate.
    August 7, 2009 10:33 PM
     

    D.I.C.E. said:

     
    @BlackPeople 1

    I like music too. i love music. i listen to all kinda shit. basically, anything that sounds good. and i agree that most of the shit on the radio now days that they pass as rap, is not. its sweaty ball eruo trash bullshit.

    But i jus dont feel like the only way somethin can be considered rap/hip hop is if its sampled from soul music. whodini didnt use samples, does that mean they are not hip hop?

    what u are describing is very much hip hop. its the essence of hip hop. But its only a part of it.

    I have a huge amount of respect for those niggas that was gettin it poppin in the '80s.  But times change and things evolve. niggas back then sampled music from thier parents record bcuz thas all they had. If they had all the technology we have today, u dont think they would have used it? sheiiiiiit....

    i know about samplin dope drum breaks and all that shit. but my thing is, why not create ur own? years from now i rather be the nigga that everybody samples from. And one day i will.

    right now im jus into composin, my own ideas. I want to master that before i go back to samplin'. Im not there yet, but i will be.

    U like that classic hip hop sound and thas okay, but what i try to do wit my beats is be versatile and use elements from many different music forms to come up wit somethin thas my own. I dont use samples, but i dont knock niggas that do. i have the up most respect for those who can do that good.

    rap/ hip hop, can come from many things. What did niggas do in the cafeteria in high school when niggas was freestylin??? they were beat boxin or bangin on the lunch tables. Thas hip hop too. my point is this, it dont matter how its made rather its sampled, original composition, or whatever. its all part of the same thing. this thing we love. Samplin' is PART of hip hop. its not everything.

    When dr dre was makin the chronic, they told him that his album wasn't hip hop bcuz he mostly used live instruments and only a few samples. And what happened....he shut all of his critics the fuck up and produced one of the most influential and innovative classic albums of all time. Thas ma inspiration right there. He is a innovative mind and he thought outside the box. thas why to me he is better than all those producers u named. All of em.

    U say niggas that use midis or computer programs like reasons is not hip hop. but somebody from a older generation will say what u call hip hop isnt music at all because ur not playin a actual instrument. u see what im sayin?? u shakin ur head at nigga who dont sample, and a older cat is shakin his head at u bcuz u dont play an instrument. Thas jus wack to me.

    i jus think if i looked at rap/ hip hop the way u do i would jus limit ma'self and be stuck in this box. and thas jus not me. I will make my own lane.

    BUT there is a line that i dont crossI keep it rap. i dont make euro, electric, butt sex beats. Im all hip hop

    August 8, 2009 3:24 PM
     

    bipro20 said:

    Ill Will Hands Down!!
    August 8, 2009 8:08 PM
     

    bipro20 said:

    lmao @ the denada voters! no disrespect to denada, but not impressed!   what are yall listening too??? i know he won the last 2 weeks, but i think some of you must be his friends or something!! ill will tracks have way more potential!!  i didnt even vote last week becuz both producers wasnt that hot too me!! but the dude that lost last week had more potential also!!! this week ill will made me login!!

    @blackpeople u dont know anything about hiphop! hip hop is all kinds of music!

    @ironhorse damn ur long winded!! who's gonna read all of that??? maybe ill will and denada!!

    Smash Out Fellas!!
    August 8, 2009 8:23 PM
     

    bipro20 said:

    BIAS Ass Niggas!! Keep it 1 Million!! Yall Lying to Urselves!! SMH
    August 8, 2009 8:26 PM
     

    IronHorse said:

    bipro 20? yo who are you supposed to be? lol
    actually that was for denada & illwill to read...thats the point...
    "long winded" lol....so what did you think about the beats or are you one of the internet know it alls that takes it personal when nobody agrees with you?
    yo when does the next joint start lol?

    If nobody likes what I say or how I do my shit, Im not hiding, get right in touch with me and leave it off the boards...

    myspace.com/theblackwaterfamily
    iam7.net
    August 11, 2009 3:35 PM
     

    Calico_ said:

    Is it me,or does all these beats suck..smh AHH needs to up there standards a bit..couldn't even really vote on this one, they both are about the same...
    August 11, 2009 5:53 PM
     

    bipro20 said:

    @ironhorse @blackpeople1 Are Bias! Yall Vote for the East!!! I Remember U2 from the last battle!! SMH Same Shit Different year!!

    @Calico ITS NOT YOU!!!  

    I Dont Hide Either!! I Smash Out!! Boom Boom Clap and Boom Boom Bap!! @ironhorse

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    polk-boy said:

    These record labels need to stop signing these wack ass rappers. lmao
    August 15, 2009 5:37 AM
     

    D.I.C.E. said:

    so........wussup wit the melee???.....its saturday.....im jus sayin....
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