Denada won last week? What a joke...


I guess we shoulda known with that pic of Primo in the sign up thread that whoever could make the best 4 bar loop would win.

Without getting into specifics like i did last beat battle.....

Challenger:

At first i was feeling JRB because of his sound choice but the more and more i listen to all of his music it doesnt seem like "music" anymore....Just seems like he was trying to place a bunch of sounds that "sound good" together, together......No musical structure/ or artistic expression whatsoever..

Anybody can sit at a keyboard/comp and go through sounds and pick out the best ones and bang on the keyboard with no knowledge and call it a hit....but to sit there and intelligently,artisticly know what your doing with "Music",  a real musician can tell what the deal is........
JRB im sorry...Wonderful sound/synth choice man, but all in all this sounds like someone who has no musical knowledge desparately trying to imitate a "sound".

Just because you have access to music creation tools doesnt mean your a musician...Just like everyone that talks cant necessary sing....


Champion:

Now D i remember you from last battle...and it seems like you have took heed to some of us "critics' out here and stepped up a little....You already know how i feel about the sampling thing..But unlike the challenger you DO know exactly how to sample and what your doing...Your not throwing the samples in there and calling it a beat..Its being done intelligently,artistically.... that i respect. This week you stepped up your game in all aspects...The only thing i would like to see from you is original work...I know you got talent man...Lets see it...Also get those mixes sounding right...Get those drums up a little louder.



At a first glance/listen I was going with JRB all the way..But instead of letting the amazing sound choice make my decision I listened a little closely and noticed the lack of authenticity/art/musical structure in his "sequencing". There are too many "non" musicans in music already taking shine from the true artist that should be out. Imitation and "being something you clearly are not" I dont respect. Specially when it comes to art.



Denada....2-0
(just try to get away from the sampling a little though man)

"There are too many "non" musicans in music already taking shine from the true artist that should be out."

Yeah People That Are Only As Good As Their Sample...Oh Wait, You Voted For Somebody Like That. Solid Reasoning.

Why does everybody have something against sampling?  If you use a keyboard/synth YOU ARE using samples as well.  Those sounds that are already added into ur synth are sampled sounds fyi.  

I gotta go with Denada again on this one.  The beats just have more soul and emotion going on in them.  Jrb has sum good pop kinda beats and the mixes are real nice....Just not my style of music though.

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RMoney..

I agree with you on the sampling tip.....Which i stated many times in my comment this week and last.....

The only reason i voted for him was clearly because I feel as though there is nothing worse than a imposter...

Yes I voted for Denada...I refuse to vote for an imposter...Denada knows what he is doing...Even if it is for "4bars"

ay....

"So Slick" the coldest track on the board....

They say "styles make fights" so its a matter of preference. i'm voting for Denada on this one, but both were good. that last beat did it for me.

Hand down denada gets the win.

JRB

I got mad respect for dude as a music producer. as a rap producer tho??? i dont know bout that. The first track "murder everything moving" was the only hip hop/rap track out of the three. the other two were straight pop/techno. He has originality, but his beats lean more toward pop than rap

Denada

Again his Beats are better. but like i said last week he lacks originality. I love that Deadly Melody track. that shit is fire! but on the real, it sounds like a DJ Premier track.

Oh and this whole discusion on usin samples vs a midi controler. I mean, its all good to use either one. i dont knock a nigga that use samples at all. But i trip out when niggas that do use samples diss a nigga like me who dont use them. Its all in preference. When i first started I used samples, but then i stopped bcuz all the niggas that I knew that produced used samples and jus wanted to stand out from them. but i noticed a lot of them couldn't put together a real dope track when they didnt use samples. they weren't good composers. Im tryin to master both. right now i use a midi and will continue to  til i feel that i have perfect ma own unique style. then i'll go back to samplin'. But good music is good music.

GOTTA PICK DENADA BUT IT WAS CLOSE THEY BOTH GOT 2/3 HOT TRACKS THAT I AS A ARTIST COULD SEE MYSELF SPITTIN ON BUT DENADA JUS A LITTLE BIT BETTER

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Enjoyed both competitors, but I have to go with Denada because I can FEEL the music. I love the soul sounds. But at the same time I love the sound quality and arrangement of JRB. Much success to both dudes tho.



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JRB.... Murder everything moving is what I call a track... That song was the best out of your 3.  Your drums are great your sound is ready for Radio. I think if you shop your music you can make some real money doing what you do.

Denada, your sound quality is holding you back something awful, but your beats are dope as hell. I love all 3 of the songs. Your music lacks that crossover appeal, but it doesnt seem as if you care, and I like that about you.

Once again Im rolling with Denada.

Listened to both contestants. Wasn't really feeling the JRB dude. That "Murder everything moving" joint was your only decent beat, but too bland for my tastes overall. Good job on that joint though regardless.

Denada I have a bias towards sample based production, i'll admit that right now but wasn't really feeling your stuff that much either. I did like that "Deadly Melody" joint though. Sounded like some vintage Wu-Tang.

"So Slick" wasn't so bad either but way too repetitive and boring sounding after awhile. Denada you are the clear winner this week though. Great job.

you brothers gotta recognize the genre and formula of hip hop.

hip hop is made upon samples.

i know yall never heard of eric b and rakim.
but they gotta song called "put ya hands together"

"the records is used from moms and pops collection.
find a break from a dope selection.
then go to the store and you buy one more
so my DJ can mix cause that's what his hands are for..."


each genre of music has a format.
hip hop music ain't country music.

country music ain't classical music.

classical music ain't heavy metal.

the genre of hip hop -- in it's purest form -- come from dope break selection and manipulation.




now, that's me talking right?

okay, leave me outta of it.
and go dig up the 3 best purest hip hop songs of all time.

go look at what people call the best and purest era of hip hop music.
simply pull 3 songs from then.

and tell me what the format of those tracks are.
hip hop production is clearly defined.

you not gonna change what hip hop is.
you can try tho.
but the shit wont work.

throw on some wack shit, then throw on wu-tang clan aint nuntin to fuck with or t.r.o.y or the world is yours by nas and pete rock and watch your reaction and the people's around you reaction.



simple.

listen to the best who ever did it from the greatest era.

not this wack shit on the radio for the last 13 years or the shit you see on myspace.

try to be the best.





denada wins again.

congratulations to both of yall for making the cut.

ay dw of the beatdynasty man, yo, what you tryna do?

why pittin straight urban pop beats against hip hop shit?
the dude jrb is alright on the urban pop tip.
for real he alright.
he ain't that weird.

but the shit wasn't a hip hop jawn.

you should be battling hip hop head vs hip hop head.

for instance, if the tables was turned and this was a contest about who could get a pop radio hit on the radio with miley cyrus or usher or justin timberlake then jrbtheproducer got this.

but this hip hop music.

it make it seem like you tryna tell us anything made with a beat machine and or software is hip hop.

and that ain't the case man.

these was entirely two different producers.

it's like comparing a bollywood producer to a emo or grunge producer and then asking us to pick which one is hip hop?????


come on man.

yall tryna confuse people and dilute the definitions.
hip hop production is defined, man.

yall not gon trick us into thinking "well everything is hip hop".

no it's not.



denada, that was a ill scratch with greg nice and from the gangstarr dwyck jawn.

"awwww yeah. another gangstarr sureshot..."

Denada is just more of my style. One thing that beatmakers or whatever you refer to yourself as need to totally understand is the beat needs to make someone wanna rap. I'm not sure any of those beats does that 4 me, but I feel Denada more.

I like that JRB stuff.

Anybody playing keyboards and instruments knows
that his work is great.
If you cannot play keys, you will never be good on
the keyboard.

Denada, I don't feel him. Anybody can pick a
sample, pitch a voice here and there.

but it takes a master like Preemo, Qtip or Pete Rock
to make it a whole.

Listen to tribe and you'll find many tracks that sound
better than the original sample. That's what's up
Mixing loops from any sample is not the Art.
Making them better than the original is.

neither. I voted for the other cat who was up against Denada last week. no hate, I'm just not feeling either.

i went with my homie JRB! Music is about originality, no matter whether its hip hop or pop or techno...and with that said, i find JRB's style more original, more creative..other dude just stuck some loops together, that shit gets boring real quick...i hate when i can hear the sample chops in a sampled beat, shit turns me off.

My vote= JRB

Thanks allhiphop for putting me in this! Also shout out to Denada even though looks like you're gonna beat me you bastard!!! lol, your stuff is ill though

Thanks for the comments as well. I agree with some & disagree with others. The dude who said I'm an imposter though... I'm not gonna lie that got me a little offended. But it's cool though, thats just your opinion. I use to only sample but a couple months ago I got into making nonsample joints really heavy. Don't just hate on me cause it's different.

Oh also, all beatmakers on this site. Come hang with us at the Fresh Produce forum. I been posting there for years!!! Come hang with us, our forum gets loney sometimes lol

Damn... Ima "Sampling Imposter...." lmao... I hope I dont fall into that category(I know I dont of course...), but anyway, I like JRB b/c even tho he posted 3 beats that kinda sound the same, he seems like he has some versatility after checkin out his myspace, he varies his style up... he samples a lil bit too... may not be the kinda sampling Denada does, but he seems to tap into everythang... so JRB gets my vote...

other than that, I'd like to hear Denada change it up a lil bit    

@BlackPeople 1 said:
ay dw of the beatdynasty man, yo, what you tryna do?

why pittin straight urban pop beats against hip hop shit?
the dude jrb is alright on the urban pop tip.
for real he alright.
he ain't that weird.

but the shit wasn't a hip hop jawn.

you should be battling hip hop head vs hip hop head.
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Trust me BlackPeople 1, these beat dynasty dudes are bias and fraudulent when it comes to these beat melees (IMO). They pulled this same crap last year or the year before when they did these melee beat battles. They don't really represent this allhiphop producer battle contest that well.

I do tune in due to the fact that I'm also a fellow producer and like to see up and coming producers in action. You can always usually learn a thing or two from other producers. But a lot of the selected contestants beats be wack (More so then not) or the beats selected sound too poppy or more something else then hip-hop.

both were garbage but denada reeked slightly less. fake kanye vs fake dilla!!!!!

Peace AHH Family
Thank you again for the opprotunity to showcase my music. Big up to  JRB The Producer, you are In my opinion a beast on the boards and I honestly really dig what you do.. Your first track is a straight banger, keep doing your thing and nevermind the hate, nothing but love and respect from me.

Thank to everyone for listening , I tried to take your criticism in mind when submitting this new batch, I hope it reflected in the music. I understand that some of this stuff sounds repetative to some, but I made them with an MC in mind, so please forgive the basic format. Alot of cats want me to change it up and maybe not sample as much, its all good, but thats what I do though, Im a sampled based producer, and I stay in my lane. If I tried to do what  JRB does it wouldnt sound as dope, knowing this, I stick to what I know and Love. Thanks again to everyone for the positive/ negative feedback........

Good lookin out All Hip Hop and Beat Dynasty once again....

shout out to TGS.....
Denada
Nada Damn Thing Productions

It really pains me when people try to tell other people what hip-hop is... Hip-Hop in it's purest form is what the artist make it. Hip-Hop is a culture not just music.

Now if I was going with some of the logic that is posted this beat battle would simply consist of sampling. Some people even have references for their opinions (i.e. Eric B. And Rakim, Pete Rock)... But it is still just their opinion. What about Stetsasonic? What about the Beastie Boys? They didn't use samples every time they made a song. Afrika Bambaataa and Newcleus used heavy synth... And nobody on this thread or planet can tell me they are not hip-hop.

To all you self proclaim hip-hop heads attempting to school everybody on what hip-hop is... It's all hip-hop. Yeah, some of it sucks (maybe a lot of it sucks) but it is still hip-hop. It's like that crack head aunt... You may not admit that she is a family member but no matter what you say she is a family member. -capice-

With that said... Denanda, I have to say that your beats are better. You chopped up the samples nicely, It's not noisy, and it's very melodic. I can even hear Nas killing the "So Sick" track.

Those who can, do... Those who can't, hate.

... Oh yeah, JRB your joints are tight to. I think MCs need a variety on their albums and you and Danada would be a good addition for any MC. I wish you all the best.


Those who can, do... Those who can't, hate.

Really quite disappointed in the quality here.
If I'd known the cats in this comp were gonna be on this level, I would have entered.
Ah well....

First dude was a mess of noise, I can see where he was tryna ride with it, but nah. As was mentioned, stacking cool sounds isn't enough to make a good song.
Second dude just sounded like some basic loop samples, with minimal additions. Though it sounded quite nice, it's elementary.

I'd have to go with the second dude though, I really found the first beatmerchant's wares to be quite messy.

mysterygrimms, yeah man i cant understand it.

homeboy on the pop side is nice. jrb beats dude.
you can understand his shit and the direction he aiming for.


but so far as the judges, what kinda muvafucka would battle that kinda pop style versus beatnuts or diamond d?

it's like slowly but surely they tryna erode the definitions of hip hop.

like everything is music.
"it's all hip hop"
no the fuck it aint.

next thing you know somebody gon be playin some shit with bagpipes and a marchin band and they gonna try to say it's hip hop.


to you little dudes that's mad at what i'm sayin, do yourself a huge favor.

i keep telling you it ain't me.
it's history.

1) research what is called the golden era of hip hop.
(that means the best)

2) pull 3 of the best songs from that era

3) read ya post and see if that stupid ass shit still make sense.


every genre of music has a format and definition.

otherwise they wouldn't have sections when you go in the record store.




denada and jrb, keep bangin tho.
this yall show and yall party.

congratulations.

ay yo denada you ever hear the beatnuts funky lemonade instrumental?

and jrb, can we get a link to that other site you was talking about?

http://community.allhiphop.com/go/forum/view/12481/29051/Fresh_Produce

Its the forum for producers here at allhiphop.com

Denada takes it again as a rapper I just feel them more. When I heard MEM I thought JRB was gon take it but I didnt really feel like spittin to the other 2 they were decent tho really liked them just not my style. JRB would definitely get more radio play. Denada made the best beat out of all tho cuz So Slick is that shit. Herb Garden is just that vintage Hip Hop shit. I fucks wit yall this week. Let me know yall rates for tracks. Holla at ya nigga

It's all hip-hop (whether anybody likes it or not)... If you sample bagpipes from a record is it hip-hop? Can we say House Of Pain.

I don't have to look shit up, I know what I'm talking about... Just because somebody slaps a label on it doesn't make it so.

Oh... Is that the reason they section it off in record stores? I always thought it was just good business... Ya know, to help people find things a little bit faster. It's all hip-hop brah, no matter how you cut it.


Those who can, do... Those who can't, hate.

Whats good AHH

Challenger: Your first beat sounded alright. Like what you did with it, but the other two were out of genre. As a general producer, I give you  your props. You have talent bredren, but those last two beats are not for this competition. Keep up the good work.

Champ: Denada. You got a freebee this time yo. Respect still.

I am entirely too lazy to break this down tonight....peace

stay off them techno beats! this is hiphop!

stay off them techno beats! this is hiphop!

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i agree wid Bp1 to an extent....that was the golden era..

but Fresh had a point as well...and whats up kid? aint heard from u inna while

but yeah, check Afrika Bambaata and the Soul Sonic force..check a song called PLANET ROCK..

that shit is sum of the earlest HIPHOP..and its all ELECTRO..not a sample in that joint!

also MR.MIXXX from 2 live crew was the DJ  

and let me say this...because I know its a black dude who said this...

do u have any idea what "techno" is?

he"s not making techno...if he went to a techno rave..he d get thrown out!!

he s making ELECTRO....listen..techno is always a 1/1 beat..ya know ......doo doo doo doo....

just because u use synths..doesnt make that shit techno...get your music genre game up black..


umm jrb...you got a different style..and MEM was pretty dope...

2nd beat was alright too...different shit was not appealing to me..but I respect what u do



denada..that medley joint is hard..and I too can hear nas spittin over that joint

that so slick is hard..dilla would be proud!  and i mean that in a good way

on sum different shit is pretty dope..seems like i can hear q tip or dela soul on that cut..



alright...Imma give it up to denada again..he just had more heat...but the first cat...murder everything moving is your gem right here....that third cut brought u down...

but u went in!


are the judges of this battle sum down south oriented type cats..Im just askin.....

good luck and God bless you brothaz

shalom

What's really good Judah... I've been very busy but I come and peep in every once in a while, I just don't say anything because I can't really discuss things like I want to (so I just keep it moving). Good to see you in good health brah, I hope Japan is treating you well.


Those who can, do... Those who can't, hate.

.....BlackPeople 1

Wasnt that a Chi Ali track ? didnt know it was produced  by the Beatnuts....   Street Level was my favorite Beatnuts shit (thats when they were still rockin with fashion), I can still pump that like it dropped yesterday..  stone crazy IMO is the album to check for, when that Belive in God joint dropped it blew my mind.. Classic Hip Hip shit right there....

Also trust me... Sampling is very much Hip-Hop. If it wasn't for sampling we wouldn't have so many of the classic hip-hop albums and songs we so much cherish today, dating back from artists like Run DMC, Stetsonics, EPMD, BDP, Slick Rick, Doug E Fresh, NWA, Ice Cube, Mobb Deep, Dr Dre, Wu-tang, Nas, Tupac, Biggie, ATCQ, Eric B and Rakim. The list goes on and on..

Also it's good to be creative and different as well, just try to be original and bring a whole new perspective to the listeners with your music whether it be with sampling or composing your songs on a synth or with a live band. If you truly want to be a producer learn what a producer really is.

Someone who works with an artist (usually in a studio that charges you per hour) from beginning to end, selecting songs for said artist, picking the right tracks to use on the album for said artist, and also talking the said artist through the whole recording process. Telling the artist how to properly structure a song and how to deliver the song vocally etc...

A beatmaker is someone who just programs the beat and plays the melody on the keyboard and usually sells or leases the beat to an artist with no further involvement (There is a huge misconception when it comes to what a producer really is in hip-hop).

Also learn about music theory, song structures, tempos, key signatures and quantization (over time of course). Those are important things as well to raise up your skill level as a true producer.

check it

http://www.brokencool.com/broken_cool/2009/07/the-truth-taking-a-trip-x-radio-play.html

http://www.imeem.com/cashstreetent

well spoken Grimm!    i agree 100.....cats be listening to my shit once and saying..o thats outta key..you cant do that..blah blah blah..

But I understand music theory....and sumtimes i break rules on purpose..because it will require u to listen more than once..

then u will get it...like me sinista beats..he likes to criticize..but thats him on my site listening and studying

thanx sinista..i hope u learned aki...sum niggaz are just geniuses

other cats.....like u...are below that  lol

jus messin around!!   lol


anyways, hey dynasty beats or whoever is judging this..

when are u gonna put up judah naz against sumbody..


Im damn positive the 3 tracks i sent in are just as good or better as anyone elses!

Im sure heads on the board will agree as well...

thats why im asking if these guys are south oriented type cats..


a couple of guys said..theres sum shadiness goin on wid these cats and the "real hiphop"..(their words..not mine)..


or are u guys taking cats beats and using them as your own?

are u listening to all the beats?

whats the basis?   are u putting up what u consider the best?

just askin?  maybe we need actual producers to decide..because sum of the tracks put up..Im not dissin...but sum of them wouldnt quite qualify as hiphop per se


can we get sum response?

and thanx for allowing heads sum shine

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yo AHH or Beat Dynasty fix that shit!!! i need some more listens!!! LOL

Beat Dynasty you on twitter right? i think i remember tweeting you but i cant find you now, whats your twitter name?

You MIC Controllers need beats!!  Click my my name and get at me lets talk Bizzness...  Coldskilzs is Here!!!!

need some ONE-DERKID beats on this joint.

If there was No Sampling Allowed, Even though I can't hear the Beats, this would be irrelevant.

how do you enter this???


































how do you enter this????????

Whats going on people?

Jrb, i have to say that murder everything moving was the best track. I could hear eminem spitting on that one. The other joints didnt really grab me much. But thats just keeping it real. Im not making comments to put anyone down. That joint was tight. But i have to say that in my opinion denada took this competition, not by much though.

I think its almost a draw, based on both of yall having one track out of the 3 that grabs me.

Denada, ima say that track, Herb Garden was the one that made me role with you on this competition. It brought me back to that underground 90s feel, like similar to the beatminez production. I could hear Buck shot on that one.

My advice to you is try to add more change ups in your tracks.

Also, i must say that i dont see anything wrong with sampling, as long as you can be versatile. Meaning you can be nice on playing some notes on the keyboard, and also finding the right samples and chopping them right, sequencing them correctly. But yall keep doing what you do. The learning process never really stops with production. Theres always something we all could improve on!

Anyone can feel free to comment on some of my tracks by visiting the link above. I also have more tracks at myspace.com/Mocredible